NFL 2011 Off Season Thread

[D Mac]

Another long wait till next season. :(

[McLegend]

It's going to be even longer this year :(

[Triple A]

2011 NFL Offseason thread.

[Team Sheep]

Wow seeing this thread is depressing.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna cry if there's no football next year. Greedy fucking owners.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think there WILL be football next year - but I honestly think it will be a shortened season. The agreement will take ages to reach and only when it is reached can free agents start signing. Then the players have to get ready and all that shit (which they won't do if there is a work stoppage).

8-10 week season probably, nearly all of the games being against division rivals. So for whoever wins the SB that year it will feel underwhelming.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna cry if there's no football next year. Greedy fucking players.</font>

Two Way Street

[Innovator]

Kiper's Top 25

Nick Fairley * DT6-5310
Analysis: In great position, you'd have to doubt he does full workouts in Indy. A force all season, even when not 100 percent; a perfect fit for a 4-3 interior. Last week: No. 1

Da'Quan Bowers * DE6-4277
Analysis: The most gifted pure pass-rusher on the Board, Bowers has followed through on his talent. An ideal 4-3 DE, but he has a chance as a 3-4 edge. Last week: No. 2

A.J. Green * WR6-4207
Analysis: Allays any speed fears with improved route-running, and speed is fine. Green has worked hard to become a complete WR. Last week: No. 3

Patrick Peterson * CB6-1211
Analysis: An extraordinary athlete, Peterson doesn't just have safety size, he'd measure up to a lot of RBs. Great special-teams returner as well. Last week: No. 4

Marcell Dareus * DE6-3306
Analysis: A solid penetrator; pass-rush skills trump run-stopping performance thus far, which is a reason I can see him becoming a solid 3-4 DE. Last week: No. 5



Prince Amukamara CB6-1202
Analysis: Top marks for instincts, ball awareness and really good hands. It's as if he's running the WRs route sometimes. Ready to start. Last week: No. 6

Robert Quinn * DE6-4267
Analysis: Great natural pass-rusher, solid athlete, serious motor. He'll be a little raw but should shine during the workout process. Last week: No. 7

Von Miller LB6-3243
Analysis: Miller proved to scouts that he's more than a sack artist this season. He showed coverage skills to go along with known pass-rush production. Last week: No. 9

Blaine Gabbert * QB6-5232
Analysis: Strong arm, good mobility, prototype in terms of physical skills. The top QB on the Board in Luck's absence, he will be under the microscope. Last week: No. 8

Nate Solder OT6-9313
Analysis: A physical specimen, has great length, ability to add bulk to chiseled frame. Will shine in workout phase, and draft is short on elite offensive tackles. Last week: No. 11

Akeem Ayers * OLB6-4251
Analysis: Exceptional athleticism makes him versatile, but his production has also been very good. Long, with ideal OLB build, skills for 3-4 at next level. Last week: No. 12

Julio Jones * WR6-4211
Analysis: When healthy, Jones was dominant; when not, he was still good in 2010. Overcame drop issues; improved route-running showed off speed. Last week: No. 10

Cam Newton * QB6-6250
Analysis: Great size and athleticism, but also underrated accuracy. Extends plays; good patience. Lacks experience and refinement aside from throwing motion. Last week: No. 15

Cameron Jordan DE6-4283
Analysis: A great Senior Bowl week for Jordan. Versatile, coming from 3-4, but ideal size for 4-3. Solid vs. run, should improve rush. Last week: NR

Aldon Smith * OLB6-4262
Analysis: Great frame and athleticism; Smith has some raw elements to his game but he can rush the passer and could develop into a stud on the edge. Last week: No. 14

Ryan Kerrigan DE6-4259
Analysis: Production is no concern for possible 3-4 OLB, or 4-3 DE. Kerrigan led nation with 26 TFL and was impossible to block, even against double-teams. Last week: No. 13

Mark Ingram * RB5-10216
Analysis: Patient runner, knows how to set up and wait for blocks; big-time competitor; good burst but not top-end speed. Won't shy from contact. Last week: No. 17

Gabe Carimi OT6-7327
Analysis: A solid year of tape, battling a number of high draft picks. Better footwork, added consistency. Excellent frame; could go LT or RT. Last week: No. 19

Tyron Smith * OT6-5290
Analysis: Could become top tackle here. Good frame, athleticism and quickness; could add bulk, but deceptive leverage, strength. Last week: No. 22

Adrian Clayborn DE6-3282
Analysis: Good size, capable of playing 3-4 DE. Good motor; batters O-linemen. Needs to refine rush skills; down year for sacks but faced more attention. Last week: No. 16

J.J. Watt * DE6-6286
Analysis: Watt offers versatility, as a fit in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme. Relentless worker, solid pass-rush skills. Precise weight a question. Last week: No. 18

Anthony Castonzo OT6-7306
Analysis: Smart, reliable with solid footwork, but could add lower-body strength and overall bulk to improve leverage. Consistent worker; smart player. Last week: No. 21

Muhammad Wilkerson * DT6-5306
Analysis: Committed earlier than I expected, but has first-round talent. Scheme-flexible, disruptive, strong penetrator, could work in 3-4 or 4-3. Last week: No. 24

Torrey Smith WR6-1200
Analysis: Not just a speed threat, Smith has been productive. Good size, solid technician, can work over the top or underneath. Last week: NR

Rahim Moore * S6-1197
Analysis: Top overall safety, with outstanding coverage skills. Has improved tackling, ability to help near the line of scrimmage. Great instincts; ballhawk. Last week: NR

[Ermaximus]

What will the Panthers do with that #1 pick?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Trade down for a later pick in the round and maybe another one in round 2? I wouldn't want to pay for first round number one draft pick and then have them not even play.

[RoXer]

Prince Amukamara CB6-1202
Analysis: Top marks for instincts, ball awareness and really good hands. It's as if he's running the WRs route sometimes. Ready to start. Last week: No. 6



woooooo

[Innovator]

Instead of drafting another DE, I hope the Giants get some LBs. It's definitely the weak link of the defense.

That and Antrelle Rolle.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Anybody here play Madden NFL Superstars on Facebook? I'm addicted to that game right now.

[ThePhantom]

Just an interesting little fact about last Sundays Super Bowl



Super Bowl XLV was the most-watched Super Bowl ever on Canadian television with an audience of 7.3 million viewers on CTV (6.54 million) and RDS (754,000) on Sunday night. Preliminary overnight data from BBM Canada confirms that the Green Bay Packers' thrilling victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday was the most-watched television broadcast in Canada since the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games.

The national audience for Super Bowl XLV is 5.3% higher than last year's NFL championship game that had a national average audience of 6.9 million viewers.

The game received a 62-share among adults aged 18-49 and 25-54, with a 68-share for men aged 25-54, meaning more than two of three Canadians in this demo watching TV on Sunday night were tuned to Super Bowl XLV on CTV (English Canada).

Overall, Super Bowl XLV was watched by 17.3 million unique viewers, or more than one in two Canadians (52.2%), on CTV and RDS.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

last Sundays Super Bowl

[Jeritron]

I thought he meant next Sunday's Super Bowl

[Droford]

That should make the Canadian Football League people pretty depressed.

[Evil Vito]

Two Way Street

<font color=goldenrod>Technically yes. But from what I can gather, the owners have all of the bargaining power in this situation...and they feel the players are asking for too much.

The owners who sit in the luxury suites have the power already and will still be filthy rich whether there is football or not. Whereas the players who are the ones busting their asses and risking injury each and every week are the ones backed into the corner, especially the guys about to hit free agency and who will be unemployed until this is resolved. Sure, a lot of players will still be well off without paychecks, but they aren't making anywhere close to the amount the owners make.

If/when this gets settled, the owners will still get the better end of the deal by a huge margin. I doubt most (but not all) of them care that football is important to a lot of people in this country...so they have little reason to cave in to the players.</font>

[Ermaximus]

Wayne Weaver already has caved in, but he is a push over so no suprise there.

[Crimson]

Hope Amukamara falls to Dallas..and they better fucking draft him if he's there.

[James Steele]

Hope Amukamara falls to Dallas..and they better fucking draft him if he's there.

He will probably draft another fucking WR or another RB that we will never use.

[Hanso Amore]

Wow. Tennesee Fires their OC who is battling Cancer.

Harsh.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cam Newton wants Brett Favre to be his mentor to improve his stock position and playing ability.

[Icess]

And Haynesworth with the sexual assault. Score!

Tough week there, buddy?

[Snowden]

<font color=goldenrod>Technically yes. But from what I can gather, the owners have all of the bargaining power in this situation...and they feel the players are asking for too much.

The owners who sit in the luxury suites have the power already and will still be filthy rich whether there is football or not. Whereas the players who are the ones busting their asses and risking injury each and every week are the ones backed into the corner, especially the guys about to hit free agency and who will be unemployed until this is resolved. Sure, a lot of players will still be well off without paychecks, but they aren't making anywhere close to the amount the owners make.

If/when this gets settled, the owners will still get the better end of the deal by a huge margin. I doubt most (but not all) of them care that football is important to a lot of people in this country...so they have little reason to cave in to the players.</font>

I dunno man, the revenue split the players proposed was just silly if you think about it. 50/50 sounds good on the outset, but the owners are fronting the majority of the costs (pretty much all the overhead really), so they should be getting a larger piece of the pie, relative to the players who are paying very little out of pocket to "maintain" the league.

[El Fangel]

Going to try to get more into football next season. Need to learn the game better though.

[D Mac]

It's not hard to learn FA. You'll love it. Guaranteed.

Oh and your favorite team is the Kansas City Chiefs. *waves hand like a Jedi*

[D Mac]

Triple A, get off your ass and sticky this. :mad:

[Big Fat Mike]

Guarantee the Giants will end up with a first rounder that makes no sense, like a fullback or another defensive end.

[Corndad]

Colts released Bob Sanders today. Wow. I know he's been injury prone but still kinda surprising they gave up on him now.

[CSL]

I think RP needs tracking down, make sure he does 'nothing stupid'.

[IC Champion]

Cowboys should scoop up Sanders, I know he's injured, but even a half crippled Bob Sanders would be an upgrade to the secondary at this point.

[Requiem]

Disappointed with Bob Sanders being released, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. In fact, I would say he had a perfect shot for a second chance last season and blew it. It sucks that he can be injured like that, and one could say it's not really his fault, but in the long run the team can't rely on him and can't build a defense around a playstyle that simply isn't there when it counts. His style is one that makes huge impacts and needs to be focused on. But that's what hurts so much when he's not on the field.

[D Mac]

Sanders would look good in KC red.

[El Fangel]

It's not hard to learn FA. You'll love it. Guaranteed.

Oh and your favorite team is the Kansas City Chiefs. *waves hand like a Jedi*

Colts. Requiem got me as a fan because he showed me a video of...

Colts released Bob Sanders today. Wow. I know he's been injury prone but still kinda surprising they gave up on him now.

This guy :(

I think RP needs tracking down, make sure he does 'nothing stupid'.

The player that made me a fan of the team is gone now :(

Disappointed with Bob Sanders being released, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. In fact, I would say he had a perfect shot for a second chance last season and blew it. It sucks that he can be injured like that, and one could say it's not really his fault, but in the long run the team can't rely on him and can't build a defense around a playstyle that simply isn't there when it counts. His style is one that makes huge impacts and needs to be focused on. But that's what hurts so much when he's not on the field.

Man, this sucks. This guy was awesome in the few games I saw with him in it.

[El Fangel]

Also, I want to learn more, so someone tell why in all seriousness what was wrong with the Colts last year.

Obviously most understand the game better then I.

[Emperor Smeat]

Injuries and a "vanilla" style offense that barely changed over the years. The reason it worked very well was due to Peyton being accurate and his O-line being very strong to give him time.

Once he lost his top WRs and his O-line began to struggle, the Colts couldn't fix it without messing up their whole timing system.

[El Fangel]

Ah, so what do they need to adress besides hoping players recover, what positions do they need?

[Emperor Smeat]

Mostly on the Offense side to either give more depth or develop players to replace a pretty old O-line. ESPN is predicting the Colts might take a WR as their first pick.

They could go with a defensive player but the problem is all the big name or quality ones are expected to go in the early part of the draft (8 of 1st 10 picks are supposed to be defensive players).

Even Belichick who normally likes to go with a defensive player in the first round is expected to pick a offensive player (probably WR or O-line) since the Patriots are too high up in the first round and this year they want to give better depth on the offensive side of the team.

[El Fangel]

Who would be the best they could draft for O-line.

[Skippord]

Tyron Smith

[D Mac]

Colts. Requiem got me as a fan because he showed me a video of...



This guy :(



The player that made me a fan of the team is gone now :(



Man, this sucks. This guy was awesome in the few games I saw with him in it.

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Listen to the fucking crowd. This is the kind of excitement you get with Jamaal Charles.

[Impeccable]

So how long until the season starts?

I was in Chicago the weekend of the Division final against the Packers...I have always been a fan of the NFL but never had a team, until I saw how crazy the city was going...so I'm now officially a bears fan. The guys business who I was visiting invited me round to his house that weekend to watch the game...never heard so many "fucks" in the such a short space of time.

[Hanso Amore]

Apparently Bob Sanders is going to be a......Buffalo Bill.

Merriman, Sanders. The Bills are going to have the Best 2007 Defense in 2011.

[Reavant]

bahahaha

[ClockShot]

Broncos re-sign "The" Champ Bailey.

Whew. Would have been a major blow if they let him walk.

[Ermaximus]

Apparently Bob Sanders was in Jax the other day. Great, just what we need if he signs with us. Another guy that can be an impact player, yet spends more time hurt on the bench than on the field.

[Emperor Smeat]

ESPN now predicts Cam Newton to the Bills at #3 draft pick even with the twitter and interviews stuff of him viewing himself more of an icon or entertainer than a player and how nobody can ever produce a college season that he did.

It would be a stupid move by the Bills since they have a bad O-line and a pick that high is almost "must play" status for next year instead of bench/development.

[CSL]

Yeah, he's come across as quite the spastic recently so I hope he's good enough to get by on ability alone.

[Nervous Ferret]

Surely the Bills can't be that dumb. Surely.

[Nervous Ferret]

Oh wait nvmnd they prob are

[Hanso Amore]

Im not huge on Newton, but whatever. If they take him he could work, he could bust. Same as anyone else. And at least it would be entertaining.

And People around here love Fitzpatrick, so there would be no rush to start Newton week one. I would imagine he would find his way in sooner than later. ANd Gailey is great at coaching up shitty QBs to play above their skils (Fiedler, Thigpen, Fitzpatrick) - would be nice to see him coach someone with a legit arm and real talent.

In the end, there isnt anyone at number 3 that I would be giddy for. Fairley wont drop that far and there isnt anyone else that jumps off the board at me.

So here I am, not really even caring.

[Hanso Amore]

I see Newton as a better version of Josh Freeman. I wouldnt have taken Freeman at 3, but in hindsight Tampa Nailed it, and he is worth it now. So I dont care what slot you draft a QB in if he works out.

[IC Champion]

I see Newton as a better version of Josh Freeman. I wouldnt have taken Freeman at 3, but in hindsight Tampa Nailed it, and he is worth it now. So I dont care what slot you draft a QB in if he works out.

Freeman also had more of a body of work to judge from I believe, where as Newton was only a starter for 1 season. Also drafting that style of QB is a crapshoot, especially in the first round.

[IC Champion]

You got the #3 pick, you should a sure thing that will improve you at that position immediatly, then again it's the Bills.

[Hanso Amore]

Look at all the sure things taken in the top 3 in the last 10 years that didnt pan out. There is no SURE thing. If they want a QB, why not take the risk. They are risking just as much with anyone else, it is just not as visible if it is a DE.

Nobody seems to get all over that Tyson Jackson Pick.

[Hanso Amore]

Im all about doing whatever it takes to find a Top Level QB. That is what wins in this league, not upgrading your DT.

Todays NFL is all about having an Elite QB. The League has changed. Hell, Draft NOTHING BUT Qbs and hope one is that guy.

Would you rarther gamble on a potential game changer like Rodgers, Manning, Brady etc and possibly lose, or upgrade your Outside Linebacker Position and miss the playoffs ear after year due to shitty QB play?

[Skippord]

Freeman also had more of a body of work to judge from I believe, where as Newton was only a starter for 1 season. Also drafting that style of QB is a crapshoot, especially in the first round.
also I don't think Freeman was that big of a runner in college and had to make reads.

[weather vane]

Shock Dawg to the Phins?

[Vastardikai]

I remember this high flying offense from a few years ago with a decent offensive line. They had a superstar quarterback. Someone said a team with a good Defensive End could give them trouble.

They played in this high profile game against a team that didn't have a good Defensive End. Unfortunately, the team had 6! And those guys were rotated in and out of the game. The superstar quarterback ended up knowing what every part of the turf on that stadium felt like, after 8 sacks and even more knockdowns right after he released. (and a ridiculous amount of batted balls, including shovel passes getting knocked down.) He also threw 3 interceptions and lost two fumbles.

The game? Sugar Bowl between Georgia and Hawaii.

Sure, I am talking about a College Game, but similar concept. Matt Stafford could have avoided many injuries if Detroit had invested in an offensive line while getting him ready.

If Brady, Manning, or Rodgers don't have time to get the ball away, they're not gonna look as good.

[Hanso Amore]

That point makes no fucking sense. Did you watch this super bowl? Two Great QBs with COMPLETE SHIT for offensive lines.

And yes, lets compare a game between an Elite SEC program and a SUPER underdog Hawaii team to the NFL.

[Hanso Amore]

I just hate this argument, I hear it on the radio every day in Buffalo.

With that logic, if you put the best offenseive in in the NFL in front of Ryan Fitzpatrick he would be a great QB.

No.

Great QBs make their line look good, and great lines dont do a damn thing for QBs. Carolina has a great line. What did that do for anyone to take a snap for them?

MEanwhile, you can plug any scrub in front of Peyton manning and they will look like a stud.

[Emperor Smeat]

The O-line won't magically make a bad QB into an elite or star but if the O-Line is strong enough, it would give that QB more time for passes and less hits on him.

David Carr is a good example of how a shitty O-line can kill a career since he owned the record for most sacks and hits in a rookie year and in his first few years. It ended up hurting his rhythm and development if once every couple of plays he hits the ground.

Of course if the QB doesn't care at all (ex. Russell) then it won't matter how good or bad the O-line is.

[Hanso Amore]

Or could it have been that Carr sucked, and held the ball too long? He didnt show a glimmer of ANYthing resembling skill in his next jobs. And he played at a WAC school and was just a bad pick.

Everyone wants to blame everyone but the QB.

Staffords injuries have less to do with the line, and more to do with his frailty. His backups dint have major protection issues.

SOmetimes QBs just dont have it. WHen Running Backs or Defensive players dont live up to the hype, they dont blame the guys around them.

Its just stupid NGL dogma that people roll with.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some NFL news:

Colts and Peyton Manning (with agent) are not even close to any new deal before the lockout is set to take effect. Its rumored the main obstacle is money per year since Peyton wants in between the $24-27 million range while Colts offered the low $20-$22 million range.

Redskins expected to cut Clinton Portis with the Lions rumored to be active in trying to get him for next season.

Jets expected to cut Damien Woody, Kris Jenkins, Jason Taylor, and Vernon Gholston. Taylor is expected to retire while Jenkins and Woody are both a bit old (Woody also a bit too injured to keep). Jets consider Gholston a bust and won't bother to keep him.

Newest Cam Newton draft position has him as high as the Cowboys for positioning but not as a starter. Higher picks Buffalo and Cincinatti could draft him as a starter.

[FearedSanctity]

I was having slight hope that they may get a last second deal done. Outlook incredibly grim.

Owners are determined to lockout, even if the Union decertifies. Of course then it just goes from a lockout to "an employer ceasing operations." So really nothing could be done. Owners would have to work out 32 separate deals or take the NFLPA to court over the legitimacy of their decertification. Or if the owners still "lockout", the players have an antitrust lawsuit they can pull.

But of course, theres all the negative PR the league would get if they locked the players out even after decertification. It'd prove what the owner's true intentions were and their disregard for the fans. Meanwhile the players would look good due to them throwing away the NFLPA to save the season.

But if the owner's just invoked an impasse, they could run off the "last best deal" and use that until a new deal is reached. But the owners just want to be fucking greedy and add more games for them to make money and take more money from the guys who are the reason any of us watch.

Either way, it's gonna be a looooooong Spring

[Ermaximus]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6172018

LOL!

[Emperor Smeat]

More owners joined Giants owner Mara in the talks between the players union and the negotiator (mainly the big ones like Kraft, Jerry Jones, etc).

The biggest problem ended up being the Carolina Panthers owner never stopped talking and could have just hurt the process after being "hawkish" saying the talks will be done within the next 1-2 days (after last month trashing players and teams like Brees and P. Manning).

[CSL]

Never noticed how much John Elway looks like Mimi Rogers before

[OssMan]

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7083/imageni.png

[CSL]

Woah, Tiki coming out of retirement

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol wow. That came out of nowhere.</font>

[Innovator]

His supply of 22 year old blondes ran out, NEED MORE FAME.

[Big Fat Mike]

He's completley out of money. That is the only explanation for this.

[Innovator]

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[IC Champion]

We know he won't be welcome in NY. In fact, why would anyone want him now, he's four years removed from the game, and talks way too much about shit to the media.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>As much of a dick as he is for doing what he did to his wife - I think the Giants fans' booing of Tiki is absurd at this point. Yes, it was totally warranted back when he made his comments but that was 4 years and a Super Bowl win ago. Doesn't seem like enough to piss away his entire legacy as a player.

Since the Giants are granting him free agency, I wouldn't be opposed to them eventually giving him a low-risk 1 year deal to at least give him a shot in camp. Coughlin generally likes to have 4 RBs he can rely on to mix and match anyway and Bradshaw, Jacobs, Barber, and Ware sounds pretty damn good to me.</font>

[Innovator]

He retired mid season, got a grand farewell, and talked shit on the team and coaches on his way out. We got rid of Shockey for less.

[IC Champion]

New York has already said Barber isn't welcome I believe.

[DaveBrawl]

Washington will probably sign him, that's how they roll. :lol:

[Crimson]

I dont understand how mock drafts have Nick Fairley dropping now all of a sudden all the way past the top 10 in some cases. Dude's a beast if he's there at 9 I will pray the Cowboys nab him ..along with Ratliff on that d-line omfgg

[IC Champion]

Cowboy need help in the secondary much more. Maybe had they gone after Atogwe and gotten him. Apparently the Cowboy are interested in Michael Huff.

[Crimson]

They can use a defensive end or big tackle in the middle ..Igor sucks. Bowen is ok. But a corner and safety obviously needs as well along with O-line. I'll be a happy camper if we have a choice to draft Fairley or Prince. Win win either one.

[IC Champion]

Definely need a corner or safety in the first round. Not any really stand out tackles that would warrent a top ten pick.

[FearedSanctity]

That's my whole point with Denver's pick. With that pick you need a guaranteed difference maker, and though they need line help, I don't see Fairley or Dareus as "sure things." I'm sure they'll both do well, but will they make as big a difference as Patrick Peterson? I really doubt that. D line is pretty deep this year that Denver can afford to get its playmaker in Peterson and then do DT with its second round picks

[IC Champion]

Denver defintely needs help on the o-line. They couldnt run the ball at all.

[FearedSanctity]

Denver has great talent on the O-line, unfortunately a good chunk of it was hurt most of the season. Particularly RT Ryan Harris. When Harris got back laaate in the season and everyone moved back to their natural positions, the running game improved. And it doesn't help that they were starting 2 rookies. So they basically had no chemistry. They should be drastically better next season when everyone's healthy and knows how to work with each other

QB, OL and WR are pretty much the only two positions I'm not worried about

[Skippord]

I really really want them to draft Peterson. Would be fine with Dareus though.

[FearedSanctity]

Dareus I'd be fine with if they traded down. But a #2 pick needs to be a lock to fuck shit up, and that's Peterson

[Skippord]

I agree with that, but I just don't think they'll take a corner when they have Bailey already.

ideally though they would draft Peterson

[Emperor Smeat]

Current status with the negotiations have the players dropping a few of their demands but at the same time the owners were found to be hiding some of the money and lying about their financial books to the union.

Supposedly a large sum of money was hidden from the players to go along with the demand of locking away $2 billion of the $9 billion from bargaining under stadium maintenance reasons.

[FearedSanctity]

Jeff Pash is just shitting all over the Union, and he's bringing up some good points. They gave the PA what they wanted on a lot of things, but I still think it's ridiculous that they expect to ask $1billion+ from the PA and not show why they need it. That's just retarded

[FearedSanctity]

PA agreed to extend the deadline as long as the owners agreed to share 10 years of audited financial statements, and they said no. Come the fuck on, clearly the owners are either hiding something or there's no money being lost

[Crimson]

No money being lost would be my guess

[Krimzon7]

Look on the bright side...There's MMA guys! LOL. As a Bengals Fan, I'm excited by the lockout...now we're all losers!

[Kris P Lettus]

I ran into Jerious Norwood at the gas station by my mom's house.. His family lives like 2 blocks from my mom..

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[OssMan]

I'm sure mth15 would care

[RoXer]

Miami Dolphins quarterback Chad Pennington(notes) just can't catch a break.

The hard-luck veteran passer tore his anterior cruciate ligament during a pickup basketball game, ESPN is reporting.

Pennington was already dealing with a shoulder surgery.

Set to have surgery April 7, Pennington is unlikely to play again.

He might not be able to play until the 2012 season with the bad timing of this latest injury and his age.

[Kris P Lettus]

I want him to win comeback player of the year for the 6th time..

[Team Sheep]

Call it a day Chad :(

[Emperor Smeat]

Dez Bryant managed to lose about $850,000 in under a week after a couple of lawsuits and debt payments during a time when the NFLPA kept sending reminders for everyone to save their money and be wise with it.

He's been soo horrible with his money that he already hired a debt manager or accountant to make sure he doesn't go broke before the next NFL season is possible.

[Crimson]

Freaking idiot

[James Steele]

:nono:

[Kris P Lettus]

CHICAGO -- Bears great William "The Refrigerator" Perry has his 1985 Super Bowl ring back on his finger, thanks to a 10-year-old boy.
Cliff Forrest of Fox Chapel, Pa., took $8,500 out of his college savings account to buy Perry's Super Bowl ring in New York.
"He only played in one Super Bowl," Cliff said. "I thought he would want it more than I did."
So the boy asked his father if he could give the ring back to Perry, who has been diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome. The autoimmune disease attacks the nervous system and can cause paralysis.
Cliff Forrest Sr. said he wouldn't have approved the purchase.
"I would not have permitted the purchase myself, but his mother is a little more soft-hearted," Forrest said.
But Cliff admires Perry and had heard of the Bears' famous Super Bowl XX-winning team. Cliff's parents agreed to their son's request and set out to return the ring to Perry, taking a flight to Chicago and giving the former football player his ring before an autograph session.
"He was very appreciative and he said, 'Thank you,'" Cliff said.
In return, Perry gave the boy two autographed jerseys signed: "The Fridge, Thanks!"
Perry won't say how his Super Bowl ring ended up for sale. These days, he said he is doing better, though sometimes he uses a battery-powered scooter.
"I'm up and moving around," he said. "I'm doing what I like to do best -- fishing."
His former coach, Mike Ditka, believes Perry looks good, too.
"It's the best I've seen him look in a long time," Ditka said. "He's really working at it."
Perry played 10 seasons in the NFL. The defensive lineman and occasional goal-line running back became a national celebrity during his rookie season with the Bears in 1985, helping them win the Super Bowl title.


Even the Fridge has money problems..

:(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Barring Ingram falling, I can't see the Giants not taking an offensive lineman. Pouncey or Castanzo would be ideal.</font>

[IC Champion]

Mark Ingram is not worth a first rounder, IMO. I wouldn't waste a pick on a running back in the first round, and probably not even in the second unless I really needed one. RBs are a dime a dozen, and most teams have 2 or 3 guys who can carry the load. It's not like the pre-2000's when teams ran on first and second down majority of the time. So Unless you plan on drafting a guy to run the ball 300 plus times, a first rounder just isnt worth it anymore. In fact it may be years before we see another RB takin in the top 10, barring someone special like an AP is avaliable.

[Droford]

Peyton Hillis vs Mike Vick for the madden Cover

I think a white dude's gonna make the cover.

[Droford]

Its that time of year when Droford (correctly) predicts the Ravens 2011 Season ridiculously early (especially this year..)

Bold = Win

Steelers at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Titans 1:00 PM
Ravens at Rams 4:05 PM
Jets at Ravens 8:20 PM SNF
BYE
Texans at Ravens 4:05 PM
Ravens at Jaguars 8:30 PM MNF
Cardinals at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Steelers 8:20 PM SNF
Ravens at Seahawks 4:05 PM
Bengals at Ravens 1:00 PM
49ers at Ravens 8:20 PM Thanksgiving
Ravens at Browns 1:00 PM
Colts at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Chargers 8:20 PM SNF
Browns at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Bengals 1:00 PM

11-5 at a minimum, and thats losing all the big games. Ravens have played well in/vs SD lately so I'll give them that win, 1 win vs Pittsburgh, and since its in Baltimore I'll give them the Jets game. 14-2! Awesome. AFC South/NFC West games are all winable with the exception of the Colts game.

FINALLY THANKSGIVING NFL HAS COME TO BALTIMORE..HARBAUGH BOWL 2011

[Team Sheep]

The Jets have Dallas at home to open on Sunday Night Football. New York vs America's Team on the 10th Anniversary of 9/11, they sure know how to market these things. Should be an epic night.

For once the Jets don't have to play the Patriots at home in one of the first 2 weeks of the season. Jets vs Giants on Christmas Eve will be awesome. Dolphins away on New Year's Day will be fun. Hosting San Diego and a road game at Baltimore are intriguing. Really exciting schedule. I'm also glad they're playing the Raiders away in week 3, will seriously be looking to plan a weekend in the Bay Area for that.

[RP]

Its that time of year when Droford (correctly) predicts the Ravens 2011 Season ridiculously early (especially this year..)

Bold = Win

Steelers at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Titans 1:00 PM
Ravens at Rams 4:05 PM
Jets at Ravens 8:20 PM SNF
BYE
Texans at Ravens 4:05 PM
Ravens at Jaguars 8:30 PM MNF
Cardinals at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Steelers 8:20 PM SNF
Ravens at Seahawks 4:05 PM
Bengals at Ravens 1:00 PM
49ers at Ravens 8:20 PM Thanksgiving
Ravens at Browns 1:00 PM
Colts at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Chargers 8:20 PM SNF
Browns at Ravens 1:00 PM
Ravens at Bengals 1:00 PM

11-5 at a minimum, and thats losing all the big games. Ravens have played well in/vs SD lately so I'll give them that win, 1 win vs Pittsburgh, and since its in Baltimore I'll give them the Jets game. 14-2! Awesome. AFC South/NFC West games are all winable with the exception of the Colts game.

FINALLY THANKSGIVING NFL HAS COME TO BALTIMORE..HARBAUGH BOWL 2011

Im just glad you've realized that the Ravens are the Colts bitch.

[RP]

I'll definitely be at the colts steelers game this year. Me and coworker have been waiting for the date to be released

[Aguakate]

Jon Gruden's QB one on one's are awesome.

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints opening the season for the third time in 5 years..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>God dammit NFL. 3rd year in a row that the Giants have a heavily backloaded schedule.

Giants open in Washington on 9/11. One NY team vs. "America's Team" (my ass) and the other NY team vs. the nation's capital team. Given what day and anniversary it is I'm sure those were planned by design.

I too am pumped about the Giants/Jets Christmas Eve Game. Many people in the NY market aren't, though. I can sorta understand why. A lot of people may flat out not be able to go, plus the media world practically shuts down the week before Christmas so it won't get as much hype as it could have.</font>

[Aguakate]

...It's the 10th Anniversary of 9/11...should've just had the Jets play the Giants on 9/11 to kick off the season.

[Requiem]

Might be going to St. Louis for the Colts/Rams pre-season opener.

[Kris P Lettus]

I def want to go to the Saints/Falcunts Monday Night Football game the day after x-mas..

That's the one I'm shooting for..

[Emperor Smeat]

Brandon Marshall stabbed by his wife but in stable condition.

Due to the strict lockout rules, Miami coaches can't even call him to see how he's doing or if they might need to get another WR. Only team doctors can talk to Marshall's doctors and then relay the information to the team.

[Kris P Lettus]

I saw that on SportsCenter this morning..

Didn't hear about the coaches/team doctor shit though..

Kinda fucked up..

[Skippord]

probably a good reason to not marry a girl you've been arrested for beating up like 15 times

[FearedSanctity]

Brandon Marshall stabbed by his wife but in stable condition.

Due to the strict lockout rules, Miami coaches can't even call him to see how he's doing or if they might need to get another WR. Only team doctors can talk to Marshall's doctors and then relay the information to the team.

Just the other day, when Goodell called Ochocinco just to talk, league lawyers were asked why he could talk to players and coaches couldn't. Turns out teams can talk to players, as long as its not business related. Whether coaches know this or not isn't known. NFL has no way to prove whats a personal or a business call, making this shit all the more ridiculous

[Kris P Lettus]

It's like prowrestling, they are making the rules up as they go along..

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Holy crap! Brandon Marshall's wife stabbed him with a kitchen knife and was arrested. Marshall apparently will fully recover.

She was released on bail.

http://toledoblade.com/Pro/2011/04/24/Dolphins-Marshall-stabbed-by-wife-2.html

[Kris P Lettus]

How did you find/know what that article is without being able to read??

[DaveWadding]

This prediction is assuming the Cardinals get a half decent QB (Kolb, Palmer, Bulger etc)

Wk Date Matchup
1 Sun. Sep. 11 vs. Panthers
2 Sun. Sep. 18 at Redskins
3 Sun. Sep. 25 at Seahawks
4 Sun. Oct. 02 vs. Giants
5 Sun. Oct. 09 at Vikings
6 BYE
7 Sun. Oct. 23 vs. Steelers
8 Sun. Oct. 30 at Ravens
9 Sun. Nov. 06 vs. Rams
10 Sun. Nov. 13 at Eagles
11 Sun. Nov. 20 at 49ers
12 Sun. Nov. 27 at Rams
13 Sun. Dec. 04 vs. Cowboys
14 Sun. Dec. 11 vs. 49ers
15 Sun. Dec. 18 vs. Browns
16 Sat. Dec. 24 at Bengals
17 Sun. Jan. 01 vs. Seahawks

I was optimistic on a couple, so it's 9-7. But I would expect 7-9 or 8-8 just as much.

[FearedSanctity]

Judge rules in favor of players and lifts the lockout.

Of course, not all clear yet. League will def request a stay and appeal

[CSL]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/215731_10150240308944073_150042789072_8684016_7234975_n.jpg

New Bills uni leaked in Madden 12 video. Looks great, love the Bills retro unis so a modern version of those should be the sex. Bit too 'Patrioty' in that pic though, maybe it looks darker than it will be. Should have gone with the all-red Buffalo on the white helmet.

[ClockShot]

Peyton Hillis is your Madden 2012 coverboy.

And a big "Fuck You" to Josh McDaniels from all the Broncos fans.

:foc:

[FearedSanctity]

Well, from you anyways

[DaveBrawl]

I miss Peyton Hillis.

[FearedSanctity]

Peyton was awesome an all, but RBs are so replaceable nowadays that's it hard for me to really care

[Skippord]

also he didn't practice hard at all when he was here

[FearedSanctity]

NFL is getting into some serious shit by constantly refusing to do as the Judge has ordered. She says the offseason was to start immediately and they insist on putting it off to a time of their convenience. Then they ask her to clarify, she does and they still ignore it. Contempt of court is some serious shit.

Or as Florio puts it...

Earlier tonight, I explained that the league’s flirtation with a finding of contempt of court has intensified in the wake of Judge Susan Nelson’s order denying the NFL’s request for a stay of the ruling lifting the lockout. After reading the full text of her latest written opinion, I need to revise that.

It’s no longer flirtation. It’s beyond flirtation. It’s beyond courtship. We’re convinced that, if the league doesn’t open for business immediately, the league will be in contempt of court.

As deep of shit as the NFL is getting into now with the players pretty much owning their asses AND a possible contempt of court charge, think Goodell's ass my be on the line soon?

[Emperor Smeat]

The NFL has lost every case dealing with the players in court with something around 0-4 or 0-5 record regardless of the judge.

The NFL really doesn't want the players to earn any extra cash even if it means loosing money and fan support in both the short and long term. They even tried weeks ago to lock away $2 billion from the $9 billion in play due to some tv or BS excuse that nobody bought.

The ironic part is the players do agree the rookie pay scale is out of control and needs to be fixed but they need a new CBA to do it.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The rookie pay scale problem could be eased if NCAA would allow some sort of compensation for their players. They make so much money off of those players with the dream that they could one day be on an NFL team.

When you get a rookie you aren't only paying for the years he will be playing for your team. You are paying for the four years they busted their ass for NO pay.

The problem stems from the NCAA and i don't think a new CBA will be able to fully fix the problem. No other professional sport kisses the ass of the college ranks than the NFL. At every game you are told what college the players went to and you don't really get that with the other sports.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Peyton was awesome an all, but RBs are so replaceable nowadays that's it hard for me to really care

Yeah, that's why Denver's had such an easy time finding a reliable running back after Clinton Portis left. They're all replaceable.

[Crimson]

DRAFT TIME.

Cowboys are penciled to take Tyron Smith. For some reason I'd rather have Castonzo, seems Smith might be injury prone and more of a bust factor. So we'll seeee

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Good to see they're doing the same thing they do every year where they show every player talking on the phone 5 minutes before they're picked, killing all suspense.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If Panthers fans thought Claussen was a bust, OH BOY JUST YOU WAIT

[ClockShot]

THE DENVER BRONCOS ARE ON THE CLOCK!

Or have been. This will make or break John Fox right now.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Even though I also hate the phone call shot before the pick is announced, that was a great shot of Von Miller. Love that passion, baby.

[ClockShot]

I can live with Von Miller. Would have loved Patrick Peterson.

[DaveBrawl]

Miller was the one I hoped they would pick.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah Panthers are gonna have QB problems for years to come.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

HERE WE GO

the most unpredictable 15 minutes in sports

the Bengals are on the clock!

[Crimson]

Yea it'd be cool if they didn't show the phonecalls before..they should leave it as a surprise, and then show it after. Guess they just wana be "first" to know everything

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Hope teams start taking the full 10 minutes so that I won't miss the Giants' pick when The Office comes on.</font> :shifty:

[Droford]

I wish one of the top CBs would still be around when the Ravens pick but I doubt it. I have no idea who they will take.

[ClockShot]

A.J. Green? I wonder how Chad Johnson feels about this?

[Droford]

By the time AJ Green hits the mythical 3rd year WR point, OhcoCinqoJohnson will probably be out of Cincy anyway

[CSL]

Chad thinks he's done in Cinci

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1324075297/photo_normal.JPG
ochocinco (http://twitter.com/#%21/ochocinco) Chad Ochocinco



What time does the draft start? I'm so excited. A.J. Green to the Bengals would be totally EPIC,he's a beast,safe and smart pick #please (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23please)

7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/ochocinco/status/63647033608773632)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

but yeah he wants Green to come so the Bengals will let him leave

[Crimson]

WOW ..Good job espn..having some random chick reporter already spoiling the Cards pick

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>ESPN are trying way too hard to be all like "WE BROKE THE NEWS FIRST!"</font>

[CSL]

Falcons trade up, big jump

[RoXer]

PRINCE AMUKAMARAAAAAAAWWDZW34YHLOIY

[Crimson]

Wonder what Atlanta gave up? wow thats a huge jump

[CSL]

Mayock says 1st and 2nd, a 4th ON TOP of a 1st and 4th next year

[Droford]

The Browns just raped Atlanta

The Browns get Atlanta's 1st this year, next year, this year's 2nd and 4th, and next year's 4th, too.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Wow that's a lot for a #2 receiver

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow the Falcons gave up a fuckload</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Shocked at Panthers taking Newton due to how bad their O-Line is but they decided to give up 1-2 years worth of training him in the NFL throw style so he can scramble. Similar to the Falcons taking Vick but at least the Falcons had a much better O-Line at the time.

Also shocked Bengals didn't take a QB if Palmer really is leaving.

[Crimson]

Too much ...maybe for A.J Green it would been worth it but not Julio Jones.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey Julio way to hold your shirt backwards

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bout to find out if the 49ers plan on tanking this season to get Luck

[Droford]

Shocked at Panthers taking Newton due to how bad their O-Line is but they decided to give up 1-2 years worth of training him in the NFL throw style so he can scramble. Similar to the Falcons taking Vick but at least the Falcons had a much better O-Line at the time.

Also shocked Bengals didn't take a QB if Palmer really is leaving.

Theyve got another Palmer waiting..

[Crimson]

Aldon Smith? Yes they want Luck next year

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Word is the Bengals loved Andy Dalton and that Kaepernick kid from Nevada so they still might try to grab one of them.

[Droford]

I bet the Titans take Gabbert.

or not..Jake Locker..hmm..

[RoXer]

amukamaraaaaaaa

[Crimson]

Gabbert is still there..Cowboys should trade the pick to Minnesota!

[CSL]

first thing resembling a 'surprise' pick

[Droford]

amukamaraaaaaaa
Theres just no chance he falls to #26..but I can imagine and wish right

[Supreme Olajuwon]

YESSSS Gruden flipping out on Kiper. Love it.

[Crimson]

TRADE THE PICK LETS GOOOO

[Miotch]

Holy shit, is Blane Gabbert going to fall to MN? That can't actually happen, can it?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hope the Ravens draft Amukamara and then make Haruki Nakamura a starter. Greatest secondary tandem ever.

[CSL]

Washington are at 10 and they've been bumming him for a while

[Droford]

The Cowboys are going to fuck over the Redskins by trading the pick to a team that needs Gabbert.

[ClockShot]

Where's McShay hiding?

[Miotch]

Like the VIKINGS

come on come on come on

[ClockShot]

Cowboys select some guy after using all but 20 seconds.

[Droford]

Redskins fans breath a sigh of relief..damnit

[Crimson]

Oh great , an injury riddled project O-tackle -_-

[Miotch]

That dude's a beast.

[Droford]

Comment From Ryan why are they playing "Ring of Fire"? <table style="width: 100%;"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td style="background-color: rgb(246, 246, 246);" class="chatmsgtime" id="chatmsgtime164699922" nowrap="nowrap">8:57
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I think it's a way of saying that whoever the Redskins draft is, in a way, going to hell. </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

God dammit I hate this fucking Transformers commercial. So fucking annoying.

[ClockShot]

J-Ville traded up. Hmmmmmmmmm.

[Droford]

Redskins trade down to the Jaguars..pft

[Emperor Smeat]

Gabbert to Jacksonville at #10 as Washington trades away the pick

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Blaine Gabbert is the QB from Remember the Titans

prolly does yoga in the field while black guys stare at him

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

This broadcast is like actually watching Smackdown and then they tell you the results of the matches on the broadcast while the match is happening.

[Droford]

Garrard's time in JAX might be up..

also

Gabbert
Garrard

just change a few letter and blam!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This broadcast is like actually watching Smackdown and then they tell you the results of the matches on the broadcast while the match is happening.


this is not the wrestling forum

[Miotch]

fucking fuck we were so close

[Droford]

I think the Ravens might have a shot at CB Jimmy Smith...hes a big guy 6-2 which will help...*crossing fingers*

I could also see them going Brandon Harris if hes there cause hes from the U, but I doubt he will.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Man they are shitting all over Gabbert.

[CSL]

who is? NFL Network are licking his anus

[Crimson]

This draft coverage is shit. No excitement..I remember one year maybe last year or the year before it was actually exciting.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

who is? NFL Network are licking his anus

ESPN. Talking about how terrible his completion percentage is.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't get the NFL Network otherwise this wouldnt be a problem.

[CSL]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/live/landing

[Droford]

9:12
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If the Vikings take a QB ill come bak for 1 more year </td></tr></tbody></table>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

oh neat

[Supreme Olajuwon]

FUCK OFF KIPER

[Supreme Olajuwon]

WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[CSL]

whoa thereeee

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Christian Ponder gets to be this year's Cade McNown.

[Droford]

Minnesota with a shocker in Ponder.

Minnesota has a bunch of lakes, now they have a Pond..er

[ClockShot]

Vikings were trying to trade down but had no takers. Definately a desperation pick.

[Miotch]

God damnit

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Would love to have some of what most of these GMs are smoking tonight.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit

[Droford]

Fairley to Detroit.

Im starting to get nervous.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Lions are gonna break people's faces

[ClockShot]

Fairley to the Lions.

He and Suh should crack some skulls next season. If there is one.

[CSL]

lol wowww

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also I guess this means the Lions are taking a DT in the first round in the next two drafts as well.

[Innovator]

Giants need o line or linebacker, they'll definitely take a DE.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

wtf is this Iron Man shirt Under Armor is selling now

[Supreme Olajuwon]

whatup Andy Dalton's gf

[OssMan]

boy i sure love the draft

[RP]

The Lions will be wearing Aaron Rodgers ball sack as a fur coat

[ClockShot]

Rams pick the Tar Heel who got suspended the whole season.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rams use the #14 pick overall on a player who didn't even play at all last year (Quinn).

:lol: ESPN saying missing a season doesn't seem to hurt since Bradford missed a year and yet still was a #1 pick.

[RP]

Anytime you can get a guy with a brain tumor at #14, you gotta get him.

[Droford]

WTF would the Dolphins want Mark Ingram for?

[ClockShot]

Fish select the other Pouncey.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>shit there goes one guy I wanted the Giants to take

Hope they can get Castanzo</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: ESPN spoils another pick with the phone call video

[ClockShot]

Zero reaction for this guy.

[CSL]

not understanding this 'ruining with the phone call' stuff, it's been happening for years

[Supreme Olajuwon]

different this year though since almost every first round pick is at the draft

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Maybe Giants actually take Amukamara. Never thought he'd be there.</font>

[RoXer]

where the fuck is prince

[Droford]

http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/avitars/phpuHGtDYmadmen_icon.jpgMJD:
San Diego takes Cory Liuget, who can eat two apples and spit out a fruit salad.

[CSL]

Prince looks like a G-Mannnnnnn

[Droford]

damnit to hell

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>WOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRINCE</font>

[CSL]

:cool:

[CSL]

Amukamara hugging a giant Ferrero Rocher right there

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Hope there's a good lineman left in the 2nd round</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

wow Hillis is a huge hick

[Innovator]

Love the Prince pick, we need all the D help we can get.

[Gonzo]

the great white hope

[Gonzo]

Love the Prince pick, we need all the D help we can get.

I would have preferred an OL, or if they wanted to go defense, a LB. It can't hurt to have depth at CB though.

[Droford]

No way Ozzie Newsome passes up on Bowers..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Gaines Adams part 2

[Emperor Smeat]

Ravens passed on their pick, KC jumped in for #26 pick, Baltimore took #27 before Pats jumped in.

Pats traded their 2nd 1st Round pick to New Orleans.