*OFFICIAL* Undertaker Thread: Taker It Easy

[TheChamp]

Hello, TPWW. This time on “Before or After”, we will discuss the legendary Undertaker. This time, we’re gonna switch it up just a little, and break it down into 3 periods. Was The Phenom better before, during, or after the “American Badass/Big Evil” phase?

[Vastardikai]

After. Much of the Phenom run was hampered by folks he couldn't work well with and while he was limited with a gimmick that relied on him being slow.

Starting with the Bikertaker era, he started to be able to actually god damned work, and while the gimmick sucked, his work was great.

Now it's the best of both worlds: He can move better, and has the awesome gimmick.

[Pintint]

Before.

His Lord Of Darkness, ministry days were the best character wise of his career.

Bikertaker was best when he was heel "bigevil" taker.

[Xero]

I enjoyed The Undertaker character best when he was the demented cult leader. He really started to find his groove at the (original) Mankind feud.

The Bikertaker and after he started to wrestle more amazing matches than before, and his in-ring is easily better. The Biker gimmick was fine, but the current incarnation of the Paranormal gimmick is a bit ridiculous and I feel doesn't fit into the current WWE Universe. Though in a way it does because it's like he stands on a level all his own, and because of his history it really doesn't matter.

So, for character 96-99 and for wrestling ~2002-present.

[Next Big Thing]

Before. The character may look corny or gimmicky in hindsight, but Taker and the feuds he was in, at least storyline wise, from 96 to 99 were some of the most entertaining things in wrestling.

I think the Biker gimmick was important because it broke up the deadman gimmick in a way that allowed it to come back fresh instead of become something that people grew tired of. In this incarnation of the WWE the "powers" and such don't really work as well.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Before. I don't know how anyone can say Undertaker got stuck with people he couldn't work with after legendary feuds with Mankind, HBK, Austin and Kane. Maybe I put too much of a recent bias on that era.

[Vastardikai]

When I think of Before, what comes to mind are his feuds with Kamala, Mabel, Giant Gonzales, Yokozuna, Kama the Supreme Fighting Machine, Underfaker. The feuds where he had a hard time working around folks who could barely move.

You forget there was quite a bit of shit Before. After, the extent was Great Khali and Mark Henry on the immobile useless sacks of shit. Sure, he had big man feuds, but those feuds were with Big Men who were of the more Bam Bam Bigelow/Vader mould of Big Man: Huge and mobile.

[Next Big Thing]

True. But even though those matches weren't the best, the build up or finishes to them were entertaining. Kamala was the first casket match, the end to the Yokozuna match was epic, Kama stole the urn and turned it into a necklace and the build up to Taker v. Taker was entertaining as hell with Dibiase and Bearer going back and forth and all the random Taker sightings.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Heel biker Undertaker is my favorite character-wise. Before, I honestly thought he sucked. Hard. The Ministry run was good, but everything before that was pure garbage outside of the Jake Roberts business.

Also, for whatever it's worth, my favorite match of his EVER (yes, I saw those Wrestlemanias) was v. Kurt Angle at No Way Out.

[Rammsteinmad]

This is a tough one.

Pre-Biker 'Taker was pretty much seen entirely through the eyes of a mark. When Undertaker debuted it was 'OMG!!! He's a DEADMAN!!!', and then of course his Ministry days were fucking badass and more realistic in the way that he wasn't a deadman who chose to wrestle, but some kind of black-magic cult leader figure.

Biker 'Taker was great, especially as a heel, because it made him more human. He had some great feuds during this period with the likes of Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Rob Van Dam and Ric Flair, and as said before, the human-ness of the angle made for some interesting match dynamics.

Then of course, the 'real Deadman' after being buried alive by Kane. It was in this persona that I'd say Undertaker hit his in-ring pride. He had some great feuds and matches with people like Kane, Booker T, JBL, Batista, Randy Orton, Kane again, Edge, Triple H and of course, Shawn Michaels.

Overall, I'd go with 'after the American Badass' stage. Not a knock on any other period of his career, as all have been legendary, but it just feels that 2004 and onwards has produced much more memorable moments/matches.

[loopydate]

1) After
2) Before
3) Biker

[Taker it Easy]

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[SuperSlim]

Id have to go with before Biker... well not too early but 96-99. 96 was the beginning of the Mankind feud and that was just crazy good. King of the Ring 96, Boiler Room Brawl, those two tore the house down every time. The buried alive match.

Then when he came back he was a bit more agile and mobile, he talked more and everything. Plus he had his best entrance theme during this time and thus the conversion into the Ministry of Darkness cult leader Undertaker began and that was beyond good. Character wise... the evolution of Undertaker to that was top notch. Best, darkest, just all round good character. Only bad part about it was that he was so broken down by that time that he could barely do anything in the ring.

Biker was a good break inbetween but I just never really got into it. It was good but it was... ehhhh. It just didn't feel like Undertaker.

After Biker, then it got pretty good. Character wise was kinda bland but match wise he really hit his stride and was on top of everything as long as he was healthy.

So for me... before is the best. Then after, followed by Biker.

[KaosDarksol]

I think after he came back at wrestlemania 20 was his most memorable run for me

[Juan]

His gimmick was better before, but his best matches have arguably been after the biker gimmick.

[Seth82]

I'll say before

he was a complete bad ass during the ministry era

[Shisen Kopf]

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Where's my sticker? FFS

[Shisen Kopf]

His gimmick was better before, but his best matches have arguably been after the biker gimmick.

I actually agree with this except reverse what is said and you will find the correct answer.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ministry and before overall for Undertaker. He had some great feuds and managed to get some good matches regardless of the talent quality, especially during his early run. He also managed to make a group of wrestlers who lacked any real quality or names to become a legit stable. He also managed to tie in well with the Austin-McMahon feud for a good amount of time and had a classic-worthy feuds with Mankind.

Biker Taker was amazing for the fact of how well it refreshed his career and some of the feuds during his Undisputed title reign. Wasn't too much of a fan of his theme song but he made it work.

Late-era Taker was good for providing some of the recent classic feuds and Mania matches but at the cost of being too injury-prone for long term stuff.

[Mr. JL]

Before, During & After

Too close for me to call on all those fronts.

[TeRdNuGgEt]

Has to be before. Like Next Big Thing said the Biker gimmick was only good for a break away from the same old. And when he came back to the deadman, the biker gimmick kinda killed his badassness O.o not a word .. i know.

[MoFo]

2006 - now

[Mr. Pierre]

Taker's just the best. He's adapted to the times so well and has never gotten stale in 20 years at the main event level in the same company. Easily the smartest wrestler ever. Always changing something, whether it was the color of his attire, his facial hair, his ring jacket, his hair, his moveset, his theme music, etc.

The question though is pretty much, "Do you enjoy Taker more when he was more character oriented, or ring work oriented?"

I'm gonna have to go with the 2nd half of his career though. His "legendary status" in the 2nd half has led to some amazing matches and feuds :y:

[DaVe]

Pierre is on the money. Definitely loved the 98-99 Taker specifically, too, though.

[Vastardikai]

Best thing about the Undertaker?

The Annual Plancha usually gets a bigger reaction than folks who do 900 flips in a match.

[RiX1024]

Before, His Ministry character is very underrated.

[TheChamp]

Best thing about the Undertaker?

The Annual Plancha usually gets a bigger reaction than folks who do 900 flips in a match.


I thought he killed himself with the one he took vs. HBK in WM25.

[OldSchoolFan]

I been thinking about something and nearly made a new thread but was not really sure if it was "worthy". With all of this "Before, During, And After" talk: Do you guys feel Undertaker would have "survived" as strongly as he has to this day had he never taken the "break" with the Biker run?

[Eklipse]

Up until Saturday, I was pretty certain it would just end up being Triple H vs. Taker again, maybe even Kane. But now, I'm not convinced. I was thinking...

Foley is back
His feud with 'Taker was one of the best feuds of the 90's.
He and 'Taker have yet to have a match at 'Mania.

It only makes sense that The Undertaker goes against Mick Foley at WrestleMania XXVIII.

Book it.

[whiteyford]

I love Foley but his knees are fucked and after his stint in TNA he isnt quite the name he was,at least HHH still has possibilty of ending the streak which is all 'Takers matches amount too really.

[Eklipse]

I think they would do it solely for nostailgic feeling and to draw back viewers from that era.

[whiteyford]

I still think they could drag a decent match out of it,a gimmick match would suit them both, but i would be shocked if its anyone other than HHH.

[Kane Knight]

I think they would do it solely for nostailgic feeling and to draw back viewers from that era.

Watch a man who can barely walk tape sick bumps!

[JEPW]

Yeah Foley can sort of barely move these days.

[MoFo]

Would like Sheamus v Taker.

Would like Cena v Taker nxt yr even more.

[Savio]

Y2J

[RVDmark]

Watch a man who can barely walk tape sick bumps!

Pretty sure he can use a VHS recorder even though he cant walk. ;)

[Jordan]

I would prefer Y2J over Triple H.

[Xero]

Cena vs. Taker I really want to see before Taker retires, and next year would have to be the year.

[Jordan]

Cena vs. Taker I really want to see before Taker retires, and next year would have to be the year.

I agree, this must happen.

[XCaliber]

Randy Orton as it appears he doesn't have anything to do at the moment and he's come a long way from the last time he faced him at Wrestlemania.

[Big Vic]

Cena faced Taker before when Taker was in his biker gimmick right? Not ever after though I think.

[Next Big Thing]

Wade Barrett.

Foley, HHH and Orton have been done already. With the build that Barrett has had lately, I think he'd be an intriguing matchup for Taker and be someone the fans and smarks both would view as legit threats to break the streak.

He did help Kane bury Taker and they had that one off encounter on Raw where Barrett gave Taker the Wasteland so there's a bit of favorable history for Barrett. It's fresh and intriguing.

[Lock Jaw]

Anyone but HHH please.

[Nicky Fives]

John Cena is the only answer to the question......

[erickman]

i wonder if taker will be at this wrestlemania they need time to build a fued i can see him skipping it this year.

[Jordan]

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[Jordan]

:shifty:

[Blakeamus]

Shaq-Fu?

[Majunior]

Considering the Triple H v. Taker match last year stank, I'm really hoping NOT to have a repeat.

I think, if they do it to break the streak, it should be someone like a Wade Barret or a Shaemus. Cena doesn't need it, and any of the old names wouldn't be worth seeing. Including, much as I love him, Foley.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I don't have high hopes for it to happen but I'd love to see "Orton v. Taker II" at WM XXVIII (I believe the first time they fought at Mania was WM 21).

[MisterLee]

http://www.universalwwe.es/wp-content/18ce96920g.jpg

Book it.

[Double D]

I enjoyed the thought of Foley vs. Taker, but the more I think about it, it just wouldn't be the match that anyone would be hoping for. I think we're going to see Triple H take on the streak again, but the rumors of Shawn Michaels as the ref seem possibly intriguing. I have loved The Undertaker since I started watching years ago, and I'm a fan of both Triple H and Michaels, and to me, having Michaels referee the match gives it that "impending screwjob" vibe, which I feel we haven't seen one of those that actually mattered in a bit. DX shenanigans could cost Undertaker the streak, but it wouldn't really hurt his rep, everyone would know he got screwed. OR this same scenario, but Undertaker beats the odds, which WOULD be a surprise considering the circumstances, and solidifies that 20-0 record. I agree that last year's match was far from the best, but the dynamic would be totally changed with Michaels refereeing. Could be cool, but who knows?

[XL]

i wonder if taker will be at this wrestlemania they need time to build a fued i can see him skipping it this year.
The build to Taker v HHH last year started on February 21st...

[XL]

Jericho
Punk

But I was thinking along the same lines as NBT, Barrett would make a great opponent. He only needs to come close to ending the streak to get the rub and that, in my opinion, is what the streak should be used for.

Problem is, everybody is hung up on this "after HBK/HHH it needs to be another huge name" idea. Which is kinda baseless IMO.

[mike adamle]

Punk, Jericho, Orton, Triple H & Cena are the only ones that I think could have a big feel Mania type match with taker at this point

[James Steele]

Considering the Triple H v. Taker match last year stank, I'm really hoping NOT to have a repeat.

You are a fucking idiot.

[Destor]

Jericho would be the best match possible with the roster right now. Triple H is the obvious choice even tho they did absolutely everything in that match i really have no idea what they would do with a return match tbh.

[MisterLee]

^ Sorry James but that match did suck.

[Destor]

^ Sorry James but that match did suck.i dunno, personally i was annoyed by the fact they spent 2/3s of the match doubled down but it was so fucking over...hard for me to say it sucked just because i didnt like it. and hell, if you get a match considered for MOTY when all you did wa slay on the mat for 30 min you must be doing somethign right.

[MisterLee]

i dunno, personally i was annoyed by the fact they spent 2/3s of the match doubled down but it was so fucking over...hard for me to say it sucked just because i didnt like it. and hell, if you get a match considered for MOTY when all you did wa slay on the mat for 30 min you must be doing somethign right.


LOL true..I guess I was just so amped for it..and I cant help but compare it to Undertaker's bouts with HBK since it was somewhat part of the storyline.

[Dante69]

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[Destor]

LOL true..I guess I was just so amped for it..and I cant help but compare it to Undertaker's bouts with HBK since it was somewhat part of the storyline.
bad call to compair anything with HBK in it to anything that doesnt have HBK in it

[Droford]

Punk Taker year long build to Taker's retirement match at WM 29. Either Punk ends the streak or no one does.

[MisterLee]

bad call to compair anything with HBK in it to anything that doesnt have HBK in it

Yeaaah I know..couldn't help it though..cause Triple H wanted to break the streak and HBK was involved in the storyline..HBK was one of a kind for sure.

[D Mac]

I'm thinking the "new" Kane.

[D Mac]

Or Hornswoggle.

[El Fangel]

From a person who only JUST got back into wrestling.

Punk. If he wins, holy shit. They just cemented a young guy, known to be one of if not the best in the word as an elite main eventer until the day he retires.

If he loses, we are still in for one hell of a match.

[Destor]

I've said it before the streak really has no meaning if taker ever loses.

[D Mac]

Nah no matter who it is, they won't win. Taker's last match won't be a loss.

[ZosoMetalManiac]

I haven't even thought of who else I'd like to see go up against the streak because it's blatantly obvious it's going to be Triple H/Undertaker III, which I'm totally okay with. Triple H/Undertaker last year was one of the matches that had me on the edge of my seat. It told a damn good story and anyone that says otherwise is lame.

[JEPW]

On watching it a second time, HHH vs. Taker from last year was a very good match. It was easy to underrate it first time round because we were all expecting so much...

Having said that - please let's not have HHH again. People are talking about HBK as ref but does anybody else hate the whole fucking concept of special guest referees? It doesn't make logical sense, it gets overused, and it does not hype the match itself. So I hope that doesn't happen at WM.

[Damndirty]

Wade Barrett.

Foley, HHH and Orton have been done already. With the build that Barrett has had lately, I think he'd be an intriguing matchup for Taker and be someone the fans and smarks both would view as legit threats to break the streak.

He did help Kane bury Taker and they had that one off encounter on Raw where Barrett gave Taker the Wasteland so there's a bit of favorable history for Barrett. It's fresh and intriguing.


I forgot all about the Nexus interfering in the Buried Alive match! Now this would make for a good feud, as long as Barrett has a good explanation why he did it. Otunga did threatened to expose the real reason for the Nexus attacking him, and Barrett seemed... troubled. Still wonder what that was leading up to.

[BollywoodSingh]

The rumoured matches look like Taker vs. HHH and Jericho vs. CM Punk...but I'd rather see CM Punk vs. HHH and Taker vs. Jericho.

[Attitude99]

Jericho is the obvious Choice at the Moment.

[AfterShock8706]

With alot of people saying Y2J Im thinking thats what Y2J was talking about when he said its the end of the world as we know it. So thionk about he would be the perfect fit and he has never faced taker at mania and they have chemistry together. So my vote goes to none other than Y2J Chris Jericho.

[whiteyford]

I've said it before the streak really has no meaning if taker ever loses.

I've never understood the argument for ending the streak,it only makes someone a star if they follow up with it. Its a huge risk to give someone the streak ending win only for them to do a Lesnar 6 months later,and 20-0 looks better on a dvd case than 19 -1.

[RiX1024]

Either Barrett or The Miz

[stultiloquy]

I would want to see Y2J or Punk vs Undertaker.
I really don't want to see HHH vs Undertaker for the third time....or Kane for that matter.

[El Fangel]

I've never understood the argument for ending the streak,it only makes someone a star if they follow up with it. Its a huge risk to give someone the streak ending win only for them to do a Lesnar 6 months later,and 20-0 looks better on a dvd case than 19 -1.

The Patriots know that pretty well.

[Rammsteinmad]

Barrett vs. Undertaker would have been better when Wade was a part of the Nexus or the Corre. With a stable backing him, the threat level would have been a lot higher. Alone, it doesn't matter how much he's been pushed lately, there's no threat whatsoever in Barrett.

[Crimson]

Brodus Clay

[Poit]

Cody Rhodes

I want to see Undertaker challenge Cody for the IC title. Not only will that allow Taker to retire after finally completing his Triple Crown, it would add more prestige to the title by having Undertaker want the title.

[Phenomenal 1]

all i have to say is it would be epic, won't happen but one more match one more match one more match:

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[Corporate CockSnogger]

I guess it could be anybody really.

[Destor]

lol...well i guess i should just lock this

[Destor]

i wont tho, juan can do that. i only use my mod powers for humorous reasons

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I do quite like how it looks like Taker will be the one trying to convince the other person to have the match this time round.

[Destor]

I do quite like how it looks like Taker will be the one trying to convince the other person to have the match this time round.
i dig it, nice spin on it.

[Lock Jaw]

Too bad it is still a match that I don't really want to see.

Would even rather he face Kane for the 13,000th time.

[James Steele]

Too bad it is still a match that I don't really want to see.

Would even rather he face Kane for the 13,000th time.

Then don't watch it, don't post here, and go rot in your boring fucking hell of an existence.

[Juan]

Don't like Triple H, don't post here - James Steele

[James Steele]

Don't like Triple H, don't post here - James Steele

Sounds like a great policy to me.

[Destor]

bans for all H haters. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

[Destor]

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[James Steele]

The Destor Era has begun...again!

[Destor]

Damn straight

[Jordan]

It's kinda weird how I highly value Triple H vs The Undertaker at WM 17 and 27 as stand out Wrestlemania matches in their respective era's, yet I wasn't excited at the prospect of a third until tonight when I saw them face to face... it was another WWE magic moment, and they are creating the next feud that will follow The Rock and Steve Austin as the second pair of legends to face off three times at Wrestlemania.

It's kind of a big deal.

[Captain of Fun]

Really liked the Taker vs Triple H match last year. Had the same big match feel as the HBK matches, but turned out to be a very different kind of match. Much more brutal and hard hitting.

I am probably one of the only people who would like to see it again this year. Only if HBK is reffing though, to add that fresh dynamic to it. It wouldn't be your typical special ref match, as there would obviously be a lot more emotion involved. Maybe have Nash interfere even, forcing Taker to essentially take on the kliq.

[Jordan]

Also what was with Triple H giving such care to the touch of The Dead Man's arm? Does he have love for him now? Is he scared? Was he totally taken off guard or did he see Mean Mark meandering in the halls of the arena tonight? I guess we will have to tune in next week to find out the answer.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think the touch of the arm seemed like an "I just said, I'm done putting personal business ahead of professional business" thing. Meaning he's gonna reject the idea of a match probably until he takes a tombstone and finally agrees.

[#1-norm-fan]

And I've said before I highly doubt the streak will ever end.

Now though, I can kinda see Taker going 20-0 and Cena beating The Rock and then Taker challenging Cena the next night on Raw for WM 29 in his last match and probably losing it. They can still market the 20-0 streak, make a DVD, etc. Just can't put a guy who's on his last legs in probably his last match over the guy who's gonna be the face of the company for a while and I also can't see them avoiding the obvious match people want just to keep Taker's streak in tact.

[El Fangel]

What would you think of this scenario.

They hype the hell out of a Taker vs Kane match and it delivers, I don't mean it was a good match, I don't mean it was a great match, I mean it was one of "those matches"

It goes on for an hour, its a war between the ropes, both men get busted open, both are barely standing at the end, they have nothing left. KANE hits a chokeslam, then. But just stands there and.gets out of the ring and walks to the top of the ramp.

is counted out, taker regains his footing, lights go out, Kanes pyro hits, see taker, lights on and he is gone.

20-0

[BigCrippyZ]

Zack Gowen :lol:

In all seriousness, I loved last year's HHH vs Taker match and didn't understand why it got so much hate last year. I guess folks were expecting another Michaels/Taker, but Trips doesn't work the same style as HBK and it wasn't the same story really. HBK/Taker was about HBK proving to himself that he could beat Taker, and HHH/Taker was about Trips proving to Taker it was time to hang it up.

It was a great match. I would love to see them continue the story of the veteran trying to put the older vet down for good and the older vet refusing to quit almost to the point of dementia. Really loved how Taker sold the idea that he was so out of it he didn't realize the match was over and he was still just going.

[whiteyford]

@FA

I actually thought of something similiar,against Punk or Cody or just someone with a few years left, just have some 'Taker take a beatdown when the refs out cold or some crazy looking bump and have his opponent purposely get counted out. You could then have them brag about how they had him beaten but let him have his win,but everytime someone mentions the streak he'll know it should have ended. You'd have Taker have his 9month sabbatical while the guy taunts him every week about it and start the build for the rematch at the following Rumble.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Randy Orton

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I'm quite looking forward to it now when I think about it a bit more. Obviously as I mentioned earlier in the thread there's the reverse dynamic of Taker being the one provoking Triple H to a match. This will probably go on for a few weeks, and probably past Elimination Chamber with different mind games going down. Taker may even be essentially "heeling it up" with some of his antics, but obviously he won't get booed so it'll be fine.

They could have one episode of Raw where Triple H brags about being able to put on a better show than Laurinaitis, and put a bunch of title matches on the card. During say Swagger vs Kofi for the US title, the lights could go out and Taker appears to chokeslam them both. Repeat for a tag title match later in the nigt. Basically he ruins Triple H's bg show. Triple H could then just talk about how that's just business and he will find Taker a suitable opponent for WM, because he's staying out of it. A couple of weeks later have Taker attack HBK, but Triple H can say something about how "HBK is a tough guy, he'll recover, I'm not looking for personal revenge, but I will find you an opponent who will kick your ass" (in typical Triple H manner). A week or two later have Taker and Hunter in the ring, Taker talking about that time in the 90s he got Stephanie on his crucifix, show it on the screen which obviously starts to get Triple H a little angry. Then the lights can flicker or whatever and at the top of the ramp, Steph is tied to the crucifix in present day, unconscious. Triple H can run down and untie her, get all red faced and angry and accept to the match. Ideally I'd like to think of something more original than using Stephanie to get Triple H riled up, but I can only really think of that or the "You can't beat me" scenario which was played up last year.

Also there's the match itself, which can be played out differently. Last year Taker was basically a broken down man in the match, and Triple H dominated for large portions. Have Taker be a lot more the aggressor. Will be great again regardless.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Bloody hell. Think that's the longest post I've ever made in the wrestling forum.

[whiteyford]

Bloody hell. Think that's the longest post I've ever made in the wrestling forum.

Makes you appreciate the effort Noid puts in a little more.

[#1-norm-fan]

@FA

I actually thought of something similiar,against Punk or Cody or just someone with a few years left, just have some 'Taker take a beatdown when the refs out cold or some crazy looking bump and have his opponent purposely get counted out. You could then have them brag about how they had him beaten but let him have his win,but everytime someone mentions the streak he'll know it should have ended. You'd have Taker have his 9month sabbatical while the guy taunts him every week about it and start the build for the rematch at the following Rumble.

I don't see why anyone would purposely let him have the win only to cockily brag about how they "could have" beaten him.

[whiteyford]

In my head at least,instead of taking 1 win off him you'd have taken all of them,but without actually ending the streak and getting a slow buildup to next year where you could have had 'taker go over in a HIAC or whatever.

[whiteyford]

I'm a poor mans version of Noid

[El Fangel]

I think a big question with who Taker faces is if it is indeed his final match. How exactly do you finish it? How do you end one of the most illustrious careers in sports entertainment with a pinfall victory and a walk up the ramp.

It needs to be epic, or else it just won't measure up.

[Swish]

undertaker Vs HHH Vs HBK...

Or
Undertaker Vs HHH (Special Ref: HBK)

In one of those orders.

[El Fangel]

The problem with a triple threat, is Taker could still lose without being the one who lost.

What a heel move it would be if HBK laid down for Hunter at the start of the match and

1-2-3.

[Swish]

The problem with a triple threat, is Taker could still lose without being the one who lost.

What a heel move it would be if HBK laid down for Hunter at the start of the match and

1-2-3.

Obviously we'd see Taker come out on top. but also maybe add Kane to the picture?. All 3 guy's have tried ending the streak and failed.

But then again the downside would be "arguments" between each one about who was going to pin taker.

[Swiss Ultimate]

*Whomever you pitch has got to lose and cannot be Triple H

That's the only real rule. Don't try to book what the WWE would do, instead what you would do if you were writing for the WWE. No dead or broken wrestlers (ie. Foley).

[Swish]

Kane

[MisterLee]

Kane and the whole Ministry of Darkness in a gauntlet match!

[Swiss Ultimate]

Horrible pitch, but doable.

[Swish]

Horrible pitch, but doable.

My pick from before would have been HHH and HBK in a Triple Threat.

But since you said No HHH Kane seems like a likely guy.

[Swish]

Kane and the whole Ministry of Darkness in a gauntlet match!

Are you even with today's storyline's???

[MisterLee]

LOL..yeah a triple threat would be a freaking awesome match between Taker, HBK, and HHH..especially since HBK and HHH had that conflict of who can beat The Undertaker..would've made a sweet match.

I was kind of joking about the whole Ministry of Darkness..would be interesting but would involve no storyline since The Undertaker's gimmick now is really the "Last Outlaw"..with his retirement match..would've loved to see him face Cena, Y2J, or Kane.

[MisterLee]

Are you even with today's storyline's???

LOL just when I put up my recent post.

[Team Sheep]

I would have had him face Kane this year, some up and comer next year (like Barret, Ziggler or Cody) and then finally John Cena at Wrestlemania 30 for his retirement match.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Actually, wouldn't mind Kane starting a stable and putting Taker in an "against all odds" scenario. A Foley run-in to help Taker at the end would be acceptable too.

[DLVH84]

Jericho

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

There is no next Undertaker. Stop living in the past. People aren't the next somebody they are individuals.

CM Punk isn't Stone Cold or Chris Jericho.

[Dante69]

Umaga's Corpse

[Swiss Ultimate]

For that matter The Rock wasn't the next anyone, nor was Steve Austin the next anyone.

[Swiss Ultimate]

...who was talking about the "next Undertaker?"

[Swiss Ultimate]

There is no next Undertaker. Stop living in the past. People aren't the next somebody they are individuals.

CM Punk isn't Stone Cold or Chris Jericho.

Somebody misread the thread title.

[Nicky Fives]

John Cena...... other than that, I don't see how losing could benefit anyone else.....I'd actually like to see Undertaker pull off what he did with HHH...... show up on random Raw's & Smackdown to "challenge" other people, only for them to walk out, leaving him without a match......once Cena turns heel, he'll take on Taker last year in Taker's last match, to end The Streak at 20-0

[Swiss Ultimate]

Honestly don't think anyone needs to end the streak. I've changed a bit in my opinion of the subject.

Don't know if anyone necessarily "needs" to accomplish something like that.

[MisterLee]

There is no next Undertaker. Stop living in the past. People aren't the next somebody they are individuals.

CM Punk isn't Stone Cold or Chris Jericho.

He's talking about who you would like to see FACE Undertaker at Wrestlemania..not who would be the next Undertaker...but since this topic has been brought up..

http://orothon.com/WebFantasy/Hugh_Jackman/Images/hugh_jackman_as_van_helsing.jpg

Hugh's a wrestling fan anyways so it'll be perfect.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's millions of wrestling fans.

[Swiss Ultimate]

After pro-wrestling takes over India...BILLIONS!

[Rollermacka]

Jericho is an obvious choice, but what about the flip side of that coin and have CM Punk Vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania? Undertaker costs CM Punk the title at Elimination Chamber (preferably to Miz or Jericho), and build a Taker/ Punk feud to culminate at Wrestlemania. This way we have Miz or Jericho Vs Sheamus for the WWE title and CM Punk vs Undertaker (afterwards Undertaker wins and retires in glory. Punk goes back to the title picture)

[Wolfpack423]

Sting

[#1-norm-fan]

After this Triple H rematch, Cena is THE only one who should face Taker at WM. It's the only semi-intriguing option now.

I guess one could make an argument for Punk. That's it though. No one else could even really be considered a serious threat to the streak at this point.

[MoFo]

Wouldn't mind Sheamus or The Miz.

Miz seems a bit of a pussy, even though Taker is skinny, old and crippled hes still treated like a big deal and no-sells a bunch of shit and nobody would think Miz had a chance. So it'd have to be a big name or a guy with a big imposing physique that makes you think 'oh shit'.

Not Mason Ryan tho.

[XL]

The beauty of a Miz/Taker match at Mania is that nobody would expect him to stand a chance, then, when he proves a match for Taker and nearly breaks the streak before ultimately losing, he gets a rub anyway.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I only read pitch me the next Undertaker from the main forum screen. That says "pitch me the next Undertaker." I don't really care about this cause it's obviously going to be Triple H. Anything else is wishful thinking so you might as well say something that'll never happen like Sting, Ultimate Warrior or Tim Tebow.

[whiteyford]

Cena is probably the last big money match left for 'Taker on the current roster,also the only real threat to the streak.

[MisterLee]

I only read pitch me the next Undertaker from the main forum screen. That says "pitch me the next Undertaker." I don't really care about this cause it's obviously going to be Triple H. Anything else is wishful thinking so you might as well say something that'll never happen like Sting, Ultimate Warrior or Tim Tebow.

:wtf: Kill Joy..lol

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Indifferent Clox. With Undertaker deciding to work stiff.

[#1-norm-fan]

... yep. lol

[Swish]

Or how about

Vs. (HHH, HBK, AND KANE?).

Fatal 4-Way match. Think they've only ever had one Wrestlemania Fatal 4 way which was (Big Show, Mick Foley, Triple H, and The Rock). If I can remember correctly which also had every McMahon in each corner.

HBK could find a way to team up with Kane, then HHH could brag to Taker about how he came so close to beating him that he's came up with an idea. An idea so good it can't possibly fale.. Fatal 4 way is born...

[El Fangel]

Or how about

Vs. (HHH, HBK, AND KANE?).

Fatal 4-Way match. Think they've only ever had one Wrestlemania Fatal 4 way which was (Big Show, Mick Foley, Triple H, and The Rock). If I can remember correctly which also had every McMahon in each corner.

HBK could find a way to team up with Kane, then HHH could brag to Taker about how he came so close to beating him that he's came up with an idea. An idea so good it can't possibly fale.. Fatal 4 way is born...

I actually like this. Have Taken win it of course and have his 20-0 match be a truly epic win.

[Kane Knight]

Pretty sure he can use a VHS recorder even though he cant walk. ;)

Actually, it's a DVR. Tape was a colloquialism. :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

Cena is probably the last big money match left for 'Taker on the current roster,also the only real threat to the streak.

They're saving it for the 31st anniversary of Wrestlemania, where they will rename it "Cenamania I" and have Cena defend every title on the card.

[Damndirty]

Actually, wouldn't mind Kane starting a stable and putting Taker in an "against all odds" scenario. A Foley run-in to help Taker at the end would be acceptable too.

A Kane stable would be pretty cool, with a bunch of circus-themed demon people!

[BizarroKing]

Daniel Bryan. He can probably carry Taker in a match, young, and has the skills.

[Wishbone]

WWE would do John Cena, and honestly that's the match I'd wanna see too. Cena's the only 'BIG' star that hasn't tried to end the streak and I think they'd put on a pretty good match to be honest.

[Jordan]

Jim Halpert

http://pretzelday.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/pretz7.jpg

[XCaliber]

Once again I will say Randy Orton as he came very close to ending it when he wasn't even is his prime but he is now and could now prove to be a force to be reckoned with by having him squash legends along the way.

[Jura]

With Orton getting consistently huge crowd reactions wherever he goes (I say the biggest in wrestling right now) the dynamic of a Taker vs Orton would be huge but he is feuding with Barret right now though so I pick Batista.

[Gonzo]

I could honestly see Kane v. Taker happening at Mania in reality, given the story as of late.

[Droford]

Taker vs Punk 1 year buildup with the match made the RAW after WM 28.

[XL]

What would you think of this scenario.

They hype the hell out of a Taker vs Kane match and it delivers, I don't mean it was a good match, I don't mean it was a great match, I mean it was one of "those matches"

It goes on for an hour, its a war between the ropes, both men get busted open, both are barely standing at the end, they have nothing left. KANE hits a chokeslam, then. But just stands there and.gets out of the ring and walks to the top of the ramp.

is counted out, taker regains his footing, lights go out, Kanes pyro hits, see taker, lights on and he is gone.

20-0
Kane v Taker for an hour?

That's the problem with a 5 year sabbatical, you've no idea how poor the last series of Taker/Kane matches were.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I only read pitch me the next Undertaker from the main forum screen. That says "pitch me the next Undertaker." I don't really care about this cause it's obviously going to be Triple H. Anything else is wishful thinking so you might as well say something that'll never happen like Sting, Ultimate Warrior or Tim Tebow.

So you didn't read the first post in the thread and you're not willing to admit you were wrong. Kay.

I certainly don't want to see WM: Taker VS. HHH 3

I also don't know if the facts on the ground support your absolute faith.

The beauty of a Miz/Taker match at Mania is that nobody would expect him to stand a chance, then, when he proves a match for Taker and nearly breaks the streak before ultimately losing, he gets a rub anyway.

Miz putting up a good fight would definitely be amazing. He did it well with Cena.

A Kane stable would be pretty cool, with a bunch of circus-themed demon people!

I'm worried that would smack of ICP or possibly allow Boogeyman to return.

Once again I will say Randy Orton as he came very close to ending it when he wasn't even is his prime but he is now and could now prove to be a force to be reckoned with by having him squash legends along the way.

I'm feeling this too.

With Orton getting consistently huge crowd reactions wherever he goes (I say the biggest in wrestling right now) the dynamic of a Taker vs Orton would be huge but he is feuding with Barret right now though so I pick Batista.

:D

I could honestly see Kane v. Taker happening at Mania in reality, given the story as of late.

I could see it.

Taker vs Punk 1 year buildup with the match made the RAW after WM 28.

I don't need to see another Taker/Punk matchup, but I don't deny it would be a good chance to rub Punk.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Undertaker's going to pass on the reigns apparently according to a reliable source. Who will it be?

:lol:

[St. Jimmy]

As far as a locker-room leader? Someone who's been there long enough to understand what it takes to keep the boys in check and boost moral.

As far as a talent? There's never going to be another Undertaker, or someone like the Undertaker. The idea only works because of the mythology that the Undertaker has; replicating that with someone who lacks the seniority and history is laughable at best.

[Swish]

No one can ever replace Taker. Well maybe but they'd never be as good. The gimmick should just retire with him.

[XCaliber]

Kane would be the obvious choice but he probably won't be around much longer either as he's been considering retiring for awhile now.

[RiX1024]

Undertaker shall not be replaced.

[#1-norm-fan]

"Deadman" Daniel Bryan

[#1-norm-fan]

AKA "The bad-ass, dead submission machine" Daniel Bryan

[#1-norm-fan]

AKA "The Demon of Aberdeen" Daniel Bryan

[Kane Knight]

CM Punk.

[St. Jimmy]

CM Punk's new stable.

[Kane Knight]

Indifferent Clox. With Undertaker deciding to work stiff.

Filling the void that Gertner left. :love:

[Nicky Fives]

Undertaker shall not be replaced.

[Kane Knight]

Undertaker WILL NOT DIE!!!!

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Probably your mother.

[Droford]

"Deadman" Daniel Bryan

The Undernerder

[Swiss Ultimate]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[MoFo]

Kane

[Captain of Fun]

AKA "The bad-ass, dead submission machine" Daniel Bryan


"The bad-ass dead vending machine" Daniel Bryan

[Swiss Ultimate]

Someone make a new Undertaker thread.

[Scottness89]

Wade Barret.

[MisterLee]

http://www.wwe.com/f/ep/image/2011/06/20110613_te_fcwmatch_l.jpg

AndyTaker!

[ooTin]

So if the undertaker does retire undefeated at wrestlemania, will there ever be a streak that could be compared to it? not necessarily a wrestlemania streak but, any streak, even like Goldberg's. Pitch who and what kind of streak. Anything goes.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I don't think so. I think by the year 2028 the WWE will be out of business.

[MisterLee]

It's an undertaker kind of week aint it? LOL

[MisterLee]

In regards to the topic, nah..I don't think anybody can top such a record.

[Rammsteinmad]

Right now? No. In 10/20 years things could be different though.

[XL]

No.

[MisterLee]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/792/534/undertaker_display_image.jpg?1300251818

Wussup guys...Undertaker's been through a bunch of gimmicks in his career...what's your favorite era? Mine, personally, is when he led the Ministry of Darkness..I feel as if that was his darkest character and really lived up to the name "Undertaker"..in regards to when he wrestled the BEST, I feel it was when he was the "ABA"...what about you guys? Discuss!

[MoFo]

Crimson is like 4000 - 0 in TNA atm.

[Juan]

Let me check

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=109454

[OldSchoolFan]

Crimson is like 4000 - 0 in TNA atm.

But isn't that like winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics?

[Taker it Easy]

right here baby

pop pop


.....taker it easy
.....a......t..a
.....k.........s
taker it easy
.....r

[Taker it Easy]

.....taker it easy
.....a......t..a
.....k.........s
taker it easy
.....r

[El Fangel]

Gotta admit, that looks pretty cool.

[MoFo]

Biker Taker was shit, ginger, and had a tattoo of a horsefaced wench on his esophagus

Early 90's Taker was slow and only had matches/feuds with fat ppl

2006 - present Taker is best

[Eklipse]

I liked attitude-era Taker and present 'Taker the best.

[Tazz Dan]

Ministry Taker :y:

[ooTin]

But isn't that like winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics?

come on now, those kids log a lot of wheelchair miles while training for that shit, crimson just shows up and flexes. I would say its more like getting the employee of the month award at McDonalds.... 2 months in a row.

[ooTin]

The Taker that crucified everyone was by far the best I believe. He had the balls to mock Jesus.

[RiX1024]

Ministry Undertaker will always be the best, awesome gimmick.

[Eklipse]

Yet another 'Taker thread!

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[Razzamajazz]

:shifty:

[Eklipse]

Goin with Michelle on this one. Sara wasn't very cute...at all...by any means.

[Mooияakeя™]

SRSLY?KK

None.

[Taker it Easy]

Some other broad means me.


.....taker it easy
.....a......t..a
.....k.........s
taker it easy
.....r

[Taker it Easy]

The one where he phone called my cell phone and passionately convinced me to become a shard of his personality.

.....taker it easy
.....a......t..a
.....k.........s
taker it easy
.....r


Lets have a love fest.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ministry Taker.

[Corndad]

http://quickwrestlingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/michelle-mccool.jpg

THIS.



http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/itachiandkisame/3-15.jpg

NOT THIS.

[Eklipse]

The one where he phone called my cell phone and passionately convinced me to become a shard of his personality.


Are you Mideon?

[Attitude99]

Definitely Ministry Taker, Funny that Taker himself said that the ministry character was his worst.

[Taker it Easy]

Listen, whether I am a shard of the undertakers personality or involved in Paul Bearer all we gotta know to move forward as a collective and positive IWC is Taker it Easy 8)

[Taker it Easy]

That last photo is meth taker.

[Immortal Moose]

I gotta agree with the general consensus, Ministry Taker was probably the best.

[Innovator]

KILL IT WITH FIRE

[Team Sheep]

Mordecai.

[MoFo]

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/e/eb/Vlcsnap-2010-03-09-18h58m21s67.png

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110130135656/prowrestling/images/c/c2/Michelle_McCool.18.jpg

http://img002.lazygirls.info/people/michelle_mccool/michelle_mccool_h_q_6DiRLib.sized.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6qgshajzltM/Swo_atrTu2I/AAAAAAAAQro/oyYkE0d7QJg/s1600/Michelle_McCool_5.jpg

[Kane Knight]

Mordecai.

After a nine year stint as the Dungeon Master.

[Kane Knight]

I think it's unlikely to ever happen again. WWE doesn't have the patience for long builds. Things might change, but then, martians might invade us.

[Corndad]

I think we need to re direct this thread. It now should become a thread just to post Hot Wrestling Girls... Ok. Go.

[XCaliber]

I could see a wrestler maybe getting a streak like Taker's for Summerslam or perhaps one of the other major PPVs but I highly doubt the 20-0 record itself would ever be reached.

[Iop]

http://s11.lucyphotos.com/images/orig/g/1/g14iu6n68ajigi48.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

Maybe Sheamus will win the next 19 Royal Rumbles?

[XCaliber]

Michelle for sure even though her voice irks me a little she's freaking hawt.

[Rammsteinmad]

Character-wise, it's Ministry 'Taker.

In-Ring it's 'Taker since his 'rebirth' (2004-now).

To be fair though, I liked his American Bad-Ass era. Especially when he was a heel.

[Extreme Angle]

Purple Gloves

[XCaliber]

I'd have to go with Ministry version as well i'd say he was near the peak of his carreer back then.

[Iop]

Ministry Taker was teh best and he brought all the milkshakes to the yard

[Destor]

Booger Red Taker fueding over the hardcore title.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I doubt it very seriously, but I'm not going to write it off as impossible.

[Destor]

Edge had managed to get a pretty decent undefeated streak at mania going for himself without anyone noticing so its definintly possible.

[JKWJRMON]

The beginning Undertaker was best. When he was undestructable, and could never be hurt. Also when he put the Ultimate Warrior in a casket during the Funeral Parlor scared the shit out of me as a kid.

[Jura]

Let me check

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=109454
We can go back even further. I did this way back in 2007, albeit he's had a gimmick or two added on since then.

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56632

[JKWJRMON]

The worst was the ABA!

[Executioner]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

We could also use this thread to go off on a tangent and discuss who is the best Undertaker-themed poster based on their username. Maybe list your top 3 as I think established posters would probably go with DMI.

[Destor]

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too soon :n:

[Nicky Fives]

mmmm...... McRib.....

[Emperor Smeat]

I think Edge's streak was only mentioned once he was going after Taker but I think they only counted certain matches towards his streak.

Only ones right now with a winning streak are Santino and Miz with both being at 2-0.

[Destor]

I think Edge's streak was only mentioned once he was going after Taker but I think they only counted certain matches towards his streak.

Only ones right now with a winning streak are Santino and Miz with both being at 2-0.
nah, he was undefeated. at the time i cared about such things and kept up with mania records like a huge nerd.

[whiteyford]

I liked his American Bad-Ass era. Especially when he was a heel.

Booger Red Taker fueding over the hardcore title.

[Destor]

We could also use this thread to go off on a tangent and discuss who is the best Undertaker-themed poster based on their username. Maybe list your top 3 as I think established posters would probably go with DMI.
if DMI doesnt win i riot

[Iop]

HBK and Flair had big retirements, long storylines that lead to them and great send offs. do you think The Undertaker will top both of those retirements?

Obviously, Taker is not considered as "great" as Flair and Shawn, but he has pioneered a lot of things in wrestling, is one of the most recognized big men, the first gothic character to make it big and loyal to the WWE for all the years it had competed with WCW.

So, will Taker get a grand send off? that time might not be too far off...

[Iop]

I dont think there is anyone in the WWE right now who can step it up and be the next Undertaker

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Not sure. If I recall, the current Undertaker is the 3rd person who played the gimmick, correct?

Have they got anyone down in FCW? The Tough Enough winner might be a good fit if his ability comes up to snuff, but his face might be too recognisable to slot into the role without people noticing.

[Emperor Smeat]

Was unsure if the WWE was only counting his singles career record since he was around 6-0 when he took on Taker but had a few tag matches and couldn't remember if he won all of them with Christian.

[Destor]

he did, he was undefeated in tlc's for ages.

[Iop]

I would have to say before, he was best as ministry taker imo.

[Kane Knight]

His entrances are twenty fucking minutes long. There will be a four Raw spectacular for Taker's retirement.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Before. I actually hated The Undertaker as a gimmick. Thought it was a relic from the 80's/early 90's comic book WWF which I hugely disliked.

However, the Ministry changed that. It changed the character from a zombie To a delusional man who believed his own gimmick but had the charisma as a cult leader to influence others. I enjoyed that evolution far more than biker taker, although I did find that to be better than his non-ministry stints.