The TPWW Harlem Shake Society Presents: The *OFFICIAL* 18/02/13 Monday Night RAW Thread

[Krimzon7]

Can't wait for an Obama quote

Pfft until we get WWE on BET you can keep fucking waiting.

[ClockShot]

Seriously think Jack Swagger is gonna put together some sort of right winger militia group out of this.

[Krimzon7]

AND MILLIONS!!!!!!!

[Corndad]

Swaggers not allowed to blink in his gimmick apparently.

[KyleEmmott]

As a conservative, I love this Jack Swagger.

[Droford]

Can't wait for swagger vs the world

[Rollermacka]

Clinton "When I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two and didn't like it, and didn't inhale and never tried inhaling again"

[Krimzon7]

COME ON WITH THE RACIAL SLURS..did this motherfucker say Motherland???

[Poit]

Loser leaves America match?

[Droford]

Swagger should be fighting cessaro for the us title

[Theo Dious]

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[Immortal Moose]

Clinton "When I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and didn't like it, and didn't inhale and never tried inhaling again"

Obama hotboxed the shit routinely, that's a good man

[KyleEmmott]

I don't see how people can boo this?

[Immortal Moose]

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YES!

[Theo Dious]

I don't see how people can boo this?

I hope we hear as least as much sympathy for Swagger's opinions as we did for Hassan's.

[Savio]

whoa they made a MIB3?

[Droford]

I don't see how people can boo this?

Lol really?

[Theo Dious]

Obama hotboxed the shit routinely, that's a good man

Black people can do all the drugs we want cause we used to have to ride in the back of the bus.

[Immortal Moose]

whoa they made a MIB3?

*MIB3D

[Theo Dious]

OMG DANIEL BRYAN TOOK A SERIOUS BEATING IN THE ELIMINATION CHAMBER HE EVEN HAS HIS HANDS TAPED!!!

[Droford]

A Glenn beck reference on raw..holy shit

[Poit]

King: Jack's got a lot of fan mail, from Rush Limbaugh at least.

[Immortal Moose]

Black people can do all the drugs we want cause we used to have to ride in the back of the bus.

I agree, I've done it with many-a black people.:y:

My friends usually hold on to the blunt too long though :(

[Droford]

This gimmik is sponsored by millions of dollars pumped into linda's 2 failed senate campaigns

[Droford]

Linda has to come out and endorse swagger for champion

[Poit]

This gimmik is sponsored by millions of dollars pumped into linda's 2 failed senate campaigns

Linda has to come out and endorse swagger for champion

I thought Linda ran as a moderate Republican?

[Poit]

King thinks Bryan should add that move to his regular moveset. Y'know, the move he's been doing since his first WWE match.

Sigh.

[Tazz Dan]

My piece of fucking shit computer decided to freeze after I gave Moose my link. The fuck?!?

[Theo Dious]

I thought Linda ran as a moderate Republican?

Yeah because you can totally run as a hardcore conservative in NEW ENGLAND.

[Droford]

At mania, I for see bob backlund and swagger talking..

[Immortal Moose]

My piece of fucking shit computer decided to freeze after I gave Moose my link. The fuck?!?

Sorry, I crashed your comp for stealing my shaggy dog.

[KyleEmmott]

Finally got rid of his crap theme

[Tazz Dan]

You will be forgiven this once. But if Fandango debut's while I'm getting it running again, then we will be enemies for life.

[Droford]

I wonder if I should bring a gadsen flag to wm..

[Immortal Moose]

Finally got rid of his crap theme

I think "Get On Your Knees" would be ironically funny, if he had kept it.

[Corndad]

Liked that commercial better with the Bryan shirt but that was still pretty good.

[mike adamle]

I agree, I've done it with many-a black people.:y:

My friends usually hold on to the blunt too long though :(

Black people roll the worst blunts. That's not even me trying to be racist. But seriously every black person that I've let roll a blunt puts like .5 in there and it's just awful.

[Immortal Moose]

You will be forgiven this once. But if Fandango debut's while I'm getting it running again, then we will be enemies for life.

:y:

[Krimzon7]

Tastes like awesome feels...great saying right there

[KyleEmmott]

I wish WWE would use a rock song for the WM them, maybe a Black Keys song.

[Immortal Moose]

Black people roll the worst blunts. That's not even me trying to be racist. But seriously every black person that I've let roll a blunt puts like .5 in there and it's just awful.

I've only met 1 black person that rolls a bad blunt, but I'm friends with my dealer and his friends so they treat me. I've given it up until I live somewhere it's legal for post-college job drug testings. :(

I've met tons of shitty white blunt rollers though, me included.

Edit: But you have to put at least 1 in it.

[Droford]

Lol at heymans reaction.."..and?"

[KyleEmmott]

WTF...

[ClockShot]

PLOT TWIST!

[Corndad]

Fuckin Maddox.

[Poit]

Brad Maddox! :love:

[Krimzon7]

Brad Maddox looks like a piece of shit boy band member.

[KyleEmmott]

I remember when he was just a ref.

[Emperor Smeat]

Well that explains who leaked the video to Vince.

Brad Maddox might have a longer official title than John Laurinaitis had.

[Krimzon7]

....Hi....

[ClockShot]

Clark Kent is going to save Lois Lane on a weekly basis.

Wonderful.

[Immortal Moose]

McMahon!

[ClockShot]

Oh, hey Vince.

[Krimzon7]

VKM!!!

[Krimzon7]

Vinny Mac has you right by the nuts...

[Savio]

"Suck my dick Heyman"

[KyleEmmott]

I wonder if Vince is wearing pants right now?

[KyleEmmott]

Vicki G is almost a face these days.

[Corndad]

They are really building up next week's show, the people there tonight gotta be pissed lol

[Immortal Moose]

Senility is coming on strong now.

[Poit]

A Vickie face turn would be interesting.

[Droford]

Totally though kma club there

[Flash Funk]

Nice The Office reference there.

[Tazz Dan]

I'm out guys, my browsers just keeps crashing when I open my stream. Enjoy the show!

[Flash Funk]

Hooray! Another ending segment with Rock talking.

[Immortal Moose]

I'm out guys, my browsers just keeps crashing when I open my stream. Enjoy the show!

See ya next week.

[Tazz Dan]

See ya next week.

Probably not. Tuesday Afternoon Raw here means I'm normally at work =\

[Immortal Moose]

Probably not. Tuesday Afternoon Raw here means I'm normally at work =\

Do what I do, claim to have the flu.

[Corndad]

Is it just me or the crowd dead for everyone tonight?

[ClockShot]

Sierra............Hotel...............India................Echo.............Lima...............Delta

[Frank Drebin]

Girl you wanna come to my hotel?

[Droford]

Jericho be up to sumthin

[Immortal Moose]

I missed all last week of classes.

I'm probably a bad influence though

[Tazz Dan]

Y2J is obviously getting killed tonight in the match against The Shield, because he's touring here with Fozzy next week.

[Poit]

I'm out guys

It's ok, we've all known for a while.

[Immortal Moose]

I'm picking The Shield to win this.

[Keith]

Dean Ambrose would've been a huge star over in ECW back in the 90s

[Corndad]

Still trying to figure out what Jericho will be doing at Mania. I thought for sure would be him and Ziggler but just ain't seeing it.

[Tazz Dan]

I'm out guys

It's ok, we've all known for a while.

I actually fed that for James Diesel, but I'm glad you swallowed it all up.

[Keith]

Still trying to figure out what Jericho will be doing at Mania. I thought for sure would be him and Ziggler but just ain't seeing it.

I kinda feel we may see him and Ryback. IDK.

[Heisenberg]

Still trying to figure out what Jericho will be doing at Mania. I thought for sure would be him and Ziggler but just ain't seeing it.

Fighting Dean Malenko? My fuckin time machine posts tonight.

[Tazz Dan]

So I've just worked out it was tpww.net/forums crashing my browsers. So I'll post from my phone. Raw stream is back baby!!!!!

[Heisenberg]

So I've just worked out it was tpww.net/forums crashing my browsers. So I'll post from my phone. Raw stream is back baby!!!!!

Welcome back babayyyyyyyy!!!!!

[Immortal Moose]

Called it

[ClockShot]

Sort of a blink and you missed it flying knee.

Good spot.

[Emperor Smeat]

6-man tag match was pretty good.

Sort of amazed how good the Shield has been made to look considering that's now 2 wins in a row against top tier or quality guys. Only time they've looked weak was when they were really outnumbered and trapped.

[Corndad]

Kofi, this year's Zach Ryder. Job Squad.

[Corndad]

The Truth has been sent Free.

[KyleEmmott]

Please no more little jimmy...

[Immortal Moose]

Please no more little jimmy...

It was funny for a time.

[Heisenberg]

Could use another inductee announcement for this year's HoF

[KyleEmmott]

Two in one night, Fandangooo

[Heisenberg]

Lawler channeling Beavis

[slik]

This show has been fairly dull.

Not much has happened to advance stories/feuds for WM.

Only 6 RAWs left after tonight.

[Corndad]

This show has been fairly dull.

Not much has happened to advance stories/feuds for WM.

Only 6 RAWs left after tonight.

Was thinking that myself. Only thought is everything will be set in motion next week.

Cena/Punk will set up Punk/Taker if that is happening.
Vince/Paul will start set up for Brock/HHH

That being said kinda shocked really nothing advanced so far tonight.

[Droford]

Rawcardo rawdriguez? Lol

[Droford]

Hmm

[Corndad]

A Band? Shit just got real.

[Corndad]

LOL at the Drums doing the Rock's Theme.

[Droford]

Holy shit..new belt

[Corndad]

I would die laughing if Cena's Belt gets changed right before he gets it back.

[Tazz Dan]

New belt!

[Keith]

Looks like the same belt to me.

[Savio]

Holy shit..new belt
Woooooooooooooo :y::y::y:

[Droford]

Seems like people would be going crazy over the new belt..

[Krimzon7]

please be a new belt

[Keith]

LOL I'm an ASS.

I didn't see that set-up they had.

Mah bad.

[Immortal Moose]

FINALLY!

[KyleEmmott]

Please a new belt?!!!?!??!

[Droford]

Throw it in the trash where it belongs

[KyleEmmott]

True dat!

[Keith]

Please, make it be the classic "eagle" belt.

[KyleEmmott]

I bet it looks bad ass, my prediction.

[Poit]

A custom belt? Really?

[Corndad]

Meh.

[Droford]

Throe that in the trash too

[KyleEmmott]

That is pretty damn cool.

[James Diesel]

Would be better without the stupid bulls

[Krimzon7]

hmmm

wanna say meh, but would love it if the secondary plates are customozed for the title holder. LIke a logo for Punk, a logo for HHH a logo well we hope Cena can go to hell.

[JimmyMess]

isn't that the strap that was leaked months ago?

[Immortal Moose]

Another gimmick belt, but at least it's new.

[Tazz Dan]

Haha it is that rumoured design.

[HTrain90]

I would really like it if it didn't have the bulls on it.

[Keith]

Seems like the fans didn't really react the way Rock and the WWE expected.

[Ruien]

Lol at the complainers.

[Xero]

Spinner was better...

[Emperor Smeat]

Wonder if they fixed the problem of the new belt weighing too much.

[Krimzon7]

UGH all of Kris P's damn cousins chanting right now.

[Immortal Moose]

isn't that the strap that was leaked months ago?

I think so

[Frank Drebin]

Yes

[KyleEmmott]

I'm guessing the bulls on there are interchangeable for whoever is holding it?

[Droford]

I would really like it if it didn't have the bulls on it.

Since there's no name plate..maybe the bulls are the customizable part

[HTrain90]

I'm guessing the bulls on there are interchangeable for whoever is holding it?

This would make the most sense.

[Keith]

LOL if this promo went another 10 minutes, the fans were going to end up booing Rock.

They don't seem to be too "into" him.

[Poit]

wanna say meh, but would love it if the secondary plates are customozed for the title holder. LIke a logo for Punk, a logo for HHH a logo well we hope Cena can go to hell.

I'm guessing the bulls on there are interchangeable for whoever is holding it?

That would actually be pretty nifty.

[Krimzon7]

UH OH, somebody's pissed that they scrapped his belt

[Tazz Dan]

Belt is kinda growing on me

[Droford]

Lol punk got his belt back

[slik]

Not sure how I feel about the new belt yet.

Don't instantly hate or love it.

[Keith]

I smell triple threat at 'Mania.

[wwe2222]

Hideous.

[Tazz Dan]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c2iD4cxriME/TIbBVVxPdiI/AAAAAAAAAKI/TdKPvvdOMuw/s400/bravado_little_britain_want_that_one_red-white.jpg

[Droford]

Punk should have kept the belt so they could have the we champ vs the real wwe champion

[slik]

Pretty sure this means Taker is sitting this year out and we're headed towards a Punk/Cena/Rock triple-threat.

I'm ok with that. Will be better than Cena/Rock by themselves.

[Krimzon7]

The belt isn't that bad. It will grow on me. i hated that spinner belt. I get the fact that we will never see a 'classic' belt again.

[Krimzon7]

Would be cool if Taker is done. Don't wanna see him come back and be ass.

[Jordan]

I am starting to think a Triple Threat is the way to go.

The belt is fucking stupid

[dronepool]

I smell a draw on RAW and that's how it will be a triple threat.

[Droford]

After they make it a triple threat, taker should come out and say fuck u all, none of u can beat me at wm..fatal four way

[Shadrick]

Been trying to tell you that Rock would debut a new title and that the Main Event of Mania would be a triple threat.

But nah. Yall know every damn thing lol

[Keith]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c2iD4cxriME/TIbBVVxPdiI/AAAAAAAAAKI/TdKPvvdOMuw/s400/bravado_little_britain_want_that_one_red-white.jpg

Reminds me of this pic I just saw.

The Bad Guy :'(

http://i.imgur.com/JWgzWHn.jpg

[Tazz Dan]

Don't ever make me laugh at one of your posts ever again.

[Shadrick]

"ROCK CENA 2 I CAN'T BELIEVE ITS HAPPENING AGAIN"

Me: We don't know its happening again yet...

"YES WE DO, OMG THEY DID THIS LAST YEAR, WE DONT NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN RAH RAH RAH"

Me: We don't know it won't be a triple threat yet...

"RAH RAH AHHHHHHH"

[Mr. Pierre]

Taker will show up. He'd be scrapped from the Mania promos by now if he wasn't.

[Flash Funk]

They could do the Triple Threat and then Brock vs. Taker.
New belt is not great, but custom side plates would be nice.

[OldSchoolFan]

Well apparently voicing that I didn't like the new belt warranted being told I didn't deserve to breathe and should commit suicide... WTF is wrong with people these days??? This whole "If your opinion differs from mine you should be dead" thing with some wrestling fans is getting redonkulous...

[Tazz Dan]

Where did that happen?

[Ermaximus]

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Bo Dallas, Titus, Striker, Ricardo, Cole, Rosa?

[Keith]

LOL that's awesome.

[Krimzon7]

I get the impression that Ricardo is the happiest motherfucker in WWE right now. He has such a sweet gig.

[Krimzon7]

also @ the whole phenomenon of the new 'harlem shake'...you white people and your bath salts...

[MIZantine Empire]

I love how we have two people who are pro America and love America (although only one is American) and they are both hated.. Yet we have a man from Mexico who is loved.. Funny how things work..

[Tazz Dan]

Should a man from Mexico not be loved?

[Juan]

Should a man from Mexico not be loved?

:yes:

[James Steele]

I love how we have two people who are pro America and love America (although only one is American) and they are both hated.. Yet we have a man from Mexico who is loved.. Funny how things work..

Cesaro's gimmick is that he is insulting us by sarcastically emphasizing how much he loves America.

[James Steele]

There is a lot of potential in Zeb & Swagger building a small army of sorts. Depends on how far they wanna go with it.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

This is how Khali should always be used not a comedy act.

He took an hour to come down to the ring. Henry could have done like 10 World Strongest Slams before he got to the ring.

Khali shouldn't be booked in anything other than comedy acts. He can't perform worth a shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Khali in his most serious, intimidating form is still a comedy act. The guy can literally barely move. lol

[Fox]

I think this match next week is the WWE's way of buying a little more time to see if Undertaker is going to be clear to wrestle at Mania or not. They've set a deadline and will have to make a decision by RAW next week. Right now, it could absolutely go either way.


The new WWE Championship looks too similar to the old WWE Championship design. I don't really like that it's an all gold and diamond main plate - there should be some different color in there. And the general design of the belt is basically the same as the old one, except now it says "Champion" instead of "Champ."

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm really hoping Punk doesn't get thrown into the WrestleMania match. It just feels so much "bigger" being a one on one rematch. Adding a third guy would just throw off the vibe.

[Fox]

I'm really hoping Punk doesn't get thrown into the WrestleMania match. It just feels so much "bigger" being a one on one rematch. Adding a third guy would just throw off the vibe.

I'm really split on this and have been going back and forth on the matter. After Elimination Chamber, I felt strongly that Cena vs Rock was the way to go. But after seeing the three of them interacting together tonight, I can also envision a triple threat build-up, which I believe would be great since Punk definitely brings an edge to the table which Cena sorely lacks.

It could really go either way right now. Unfortunately, I'm just not all that interested.

[#1-norm-fan]

The Cena vs Rock rematch has that "feel" to it that it just seems like is gonna get thrown off with Punk in the mix. I never really cared for triple threat matches as main events in the first place because it just splits the heat. In this situation though, there's intrigue with Rock vs Cena and a rivalry that still feels fresh (they've had less matches in their 2+ year feud than Punk and Rock have had in 3 weeks).

Either Rock wins it and then you've gotta wonder what becomes of Cena after 2 straight losses to Rock in the main event of WrestleMania or Cena gets his win back and regains the title from "the man". Either way it's a huge climax. Punk getting thrown in adds the option of a less intriguing finish. One of them beats Punk... no big deal. You're still left with questions about who the better man really was between Rock and Cena.

[James Steele]

Intrigue? There is no fucking intrigue in Rock/Cena II. Cena is going to overcome the odds and get his win back and become WWE Champion for the first time in over a year and half. Not to mention, the actual match would be a shitload better with CM Punk. If they can do Punk/Taker and Rock/Cena II that would be ideal. I just don't think there is much left in the tank for Rock/Cena. It goes from "I need to beat you, Rock." to "I'm going to beat you this time Rock and take back my spot."

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes, there is intrigue. Cena winning would be intriguing in itself. Just like if there's a Triple H-Lesnar rematch. Tell me you would say "fuck this match" because you know Triple H would just get his win back. The Rock-Cena rematch from last year is the money feud going into the biggest show of the year. Throwing a guy into it who only got the spot because his real opponent can't go and there's nothing else for him to do doesn't exactly help matters.

[Skippord]

well if it's a triple threat they can gear up for Cena/Rock at Wrestlemania 30

[James Steele]

The triple threat is far more intriguing than a rematch from last year that had over a year of build. Rock/Cena did everything they could do. The only thing that changes is Cena can't bitch about Rock not being around and he tweaks his reasoning for needing to win. The Rock still calls him a kung pao bitch.

CM Punk adds an interesting dynamic and makes the match a million times less predictable.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd rather they didn't. Though if they do go triple threat, it does give them the option for one of them to beat Punk and just use it to build up to the one on one rematch next year.

But I'd rather that didn't happen.

[James Steele]

What is intriguing about Cena winning? Nothing changes. We go back to 2010.

[#1-norm-fan]

The triple threat is far more intriguing than a rematch from last year that had over a year of build. Rock/Cena did everything they could do. The only thing that changes is Cena can't bitch about Rock not being around and he tweaks his reasoning for needing to win. The Rock still calls him a kung pao bitch.

CM Punk adds an interesting dynamic and makes the match a million times less predictable.

I feel like this conversation has happened a lot recently but...

Less predictable does not always equal "better option".

And that's just if you actually believe that Punk has any shot of walking out with the title. If you don't, and you understand that he's only in the match because his original opponent couldn't go and there was nothing else for him to do then the "predictability" doesn't really go down.

[James Steele]

I'd rather they didn't. Though if they do go triple threat, it does give them the option for one of them to beat Punk and just use it to build up to the one on one rematch next year.

But I'd rather that didn't happen.

John Cena pinning The Rock is the single most predictable and uninteresting outcome possible at WrestleMania. We go back to 2010. John Cena has finally beaten everybody there is to beat.

If Punk wins, what is left for him to do? Who will take down CM Punk now? Will he face Lesnar or Ziggler? What is his relationship with The Shield now? Will Vince McMahon go into overdrive to screw over Heyman/Punk?

If The Rock wins, who will he face next? How long will he keep holding the belt for? The dynamic with Rock is that everybody knows he will leave again, but when? Who will take the belt from him? Every match is fresh with The Rock going forward because he has only faced 4 people upon his return.

[#1-norm-fan]

What is intriguing about Cena winning? Nothing changes. We go back to 2010.

"We go back to 2010"? Really? Is that your reasoning? lol

I could literally use that same logic and say "What's so intriguing about Rock winning the title? We just go back to 2001."

[#1-norm-fan]

What would be so intriguing about Punk winning? We'd just go back to the way it was for the past 14 months.

[#1-norm-fan]

How predictable was every Hogan match at WrestleMania? Did you find them all to be shitty booking decisions?

And don't get me started on Austin-HBK at WrestleMania 14. So predictable. No intrigue.

[James Steele]

Hulk Hogan did wonders for the WWF. By the time he left, WWF was in the shitter.
Austin winning was the passing of the torch and cementing a new marquee champion.

Cena has been the marquee guy for 8 years. All they are doing now with him beating The Rock is photoshopping The Rock's face over 98% of his opponents over the past 8 years. You have got to be pretty fucking dense to compare Cena beating The Rock to Austin/HBK. The fact of the matter is that John Cena is not as over as Hulk Hogan, and they are repeating the same problem where they cater so much to maintain Cena/Hogan's image as the ultimate hero that they have no other fucking big stars when he leaves.

[#1-norm-fan]

And Cena is the man right now... and last year he took a back seat to The Rock who "regained his throne". Cena defeating The Rock and taking the title from him would be an amazing accomplishment and would be a fitting end (or next chapter... depending on where they go from there) to the story after Cena's failure last year.

[James Steele]

"We go back to 2010"? Really? Is that your reasoning? lol

I could literally use that same logic and say "What's so intriguing about Rock winning the title? We just go back to 2001."

Don't be a fucking dumbass. How many of those opponents he fought during his original run are in WWE now? All the potential matchups are interesting because they are new. The only problem is that none of them are on The Rock's level because they've been too busy making sure John Cena looks like God. That is why CM Punk caught fire when he did. Punk and Cena are the only ones on that level. Rock/Ziggler would be a fun match to watch.

[#1-norm-fan]

All they are doing now with him beating The Rock is photoshopping The Rock's face over 98% of his opponents over the past 8 years.

This sentence was just uttered... Holy shit... lol

[James Steele]

And Cena is the man right now... and last year he took a back seat to The Rock who "regained his throne". Cena defeating The Rock and taking the title from him would be an amazing accomplishment and would be a fitting end (or next chapter... depending on where they go from there) to the story after Cena's failure last year.

What would change? Losing to The Rock didn't change anything. Cena did the same shit. Now if he wins, he does the same shit only without the lame apology to his fans.

[#1-norm-fan]

Don't be a fucking dumbass. How many of those opponents he fought during his original run are in WWE now? All the potential matchups are interesting because they are new. The only problem is that none of them are on The Rock's level because they've been too busy making sure John Cena looks like God. That is why CM Punk caught fire when he did. Punk and Cena are the only ones on that level. Rock/Ziggler would be a fun match to watch.

Punk is not on that level. He's just not. I know you want him to be... But he's not. Stop.

[James Steele]

Did CM Punk vs The Rock not work? Did it not draw? Was the crowd not really into it? CM Punk is the 2nd most over full time wrestler in WWE and he is really fucking over. Quit being a fucking dumbass.

[#1-norm-fan]

What would change? Losing to The Rock didn't change anything. Cena did the same shit. Now if he wins, he does the same shit only without the lame apology to his fans.

So you're against it because you feel like they won't use the win to do anything compelling with his character?

If nothing else, losing to The Rock set up his journey to prove that he's on Rock's level. I agree that they didn't really do anything directly from that match as far as Cena's character and dropped the ball... but it did atleast set up the story for Cena to come back at this years' WrestleMania and get a signature win for THE guy over a fucking mega-star. The biggest win in Cena's career.

[James Steele]

What compelling thing could they do with John Cena if he "overcomes the odds" and beats The Rock this time? Logically, there would be nothing to change because he is officially back on top of the WWE. Who gives a fuck about John Cena getting his biggest win ever? He has beaten everybody else anyway. We get a "feel good" moment that we've had before. Y'know, the same kind of moment when Cena FU'd Big Show in MSG to win his first singles title, pinned JBL ending a record reign to win his first World Title, made Triple H tap out, Shawn Michaels tap out, when he picked up Big Show and Edge and once and won the World Title, when he pinned Batista to win the World Title, etc.

[Juan]

What would change? Losing to The Rock didn't change anything. Cena did the same shit. Now if he wins, he does the same shit only without the lame apology to his fans.

I have to agree with this. Unless they have something new planned for Cena's character if he wins the WWE championship, it's all gonna feel like the "same old shit."

[#1-norm-fan]

Did CM Punk vs The Rock not work? Did it not draw? Was the crowd not really into it? CM Punk is the 2nd most over full time wrestler in WWE and he is really fucking over. Quit being a fucking dumbass.

Does any of that mean Punk is on The Rock's level? Was there any chance that Punk was gonna come out of that feud with the title? He's the second most over full time guy... that doesn't mean he's on the level of The Rock or the most over full time guy. I actually like Punk and don't wanna just go Gertner and shit on him for effect. Your blind wishful thinking is not reality though, sir. No matter how much you pout and name call. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

What compelling thing could they do with John Cena if he "overcomes the odds" and beats The Rock this time? Logically, there would be nothing to change because he is officially back on top of the WWE.

And he should be on top of the WWE. He's the most over full-time guy in the company. Why the fuck wouldn't he be?

[James Steele]

Because you're fucked if anything happens to Cena. What happened when Hogan left? WWF damn near died because they had to build a "new generation" from scratch. Also, you are being a willing dumbfuck to ignore how over CM Punk was and is.

[Juan]

Was there any chance that Punk was gonna come out of that feud with the title? l

I dunno, if you read some of the stuff that's been written in the legit sheets, the decision to put the title on The Rock was not a "lock"

[James Steele]

Cena has had a hell of a run, but him not having the title for over a year didn't hurt anything. Let's take all these guys who are on the cusp of being long term SUPERSTARS (not just main eventers) and put them over the top - Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, Ryback, Sheamus, etc. Stone Cold only headlined 4 WrestleManias. Cena will headline his 9th WrestleMania this year (same number has Hogan, and you could argue Hogan actually headlined less since IX was an unannounced title match) Nobody will ever get on his level if you never give them the chance to.

[Juan]

He's the most over full-time guy in the company.

I don't think this is accurate. Technically Punk is just as over as Cena.

No other "top face" has half the crowd chanting that he sucks

[#1-norm-fan]

Rock is not gonna stick around full time. Rock is a mega-star, far ahead of any of the full-timers. Why would you be so against the top full-time face in the company... a guy who has lived in the shadow of guys like The Rock in the big picture of WWE history... beating The Rock and getting a win that blows everything else he's ever done in his career out of the water? THAT'S the climax to the fucking story. You're worried about "Where does his character go from here"? Wherever the fuck they decide to take his character. It's irrelevant. As for the match, Cena getting his win back is a major story.

[James Steele]

Because I'm sick and fucking tired of John Cena. As has half the fucking crowd for 5 years. Does beating The Rock really take him to another level? Rock beating Hogan didn't put Rock on another level. It was about cashing in on a dream match. They got the "clash of the titans" and the "electric atmosphere" from the dream match. Move on and do something we haven't seen before and something that won't be so fucking predictable.

[#1-norm-fan]

Because you're fucked if anything happens to Cena. What happened when Hogan left? WWF damn near died because they had to build a "new generation" from scratch. Also, you are being a willing dumbfuck to ignore how over CM Punk was and is.

Punk is over... he is not on Cena or Rock's level. Seriously. Stop. lol

And yeah, you're fucked if anything happens to Cena. That's kind of an issue that needs to be resolved by putting some fucking effort into building guys up the other 11 months of the year. Maybe then you can have a guy at WrestleMania in a year or two who can draw by simply having his name and picture on the poster. For now, WrestleMania is where you do your money main event and your climactic ending. And that climactic ending is Cena getting his win back from last year. He's your biggest full-time draw. Whether you like it or not, there are more people (YEAH, 12 YEAR OLD KIDS! LOL) who watch the PPVs to see him win than anyone else. He lost a HUGE match last year against Rock. After losing in the main event the year before because of The Rock. Him finally getting Rock is the climax to the story. How are you not getting this?

[James Steele]

Rock is not gonna stick around full time. Rock is a mega-star, far ahead of any of the full-timers. Why would you be so against the top full-time face in the company... a guy who has lived in the shadow of guys like The Rock in the big picture of WWE history... beating The Rock and getting a win that blows everything else he's ever done in his career out of the water? THAT'S the climax to the fucking story. You're worried about "Where does his character go from here"? Wherever the fuck they decide to take his character. It's irrelevant. As for the match, Cena getting his win back is a major story.

It is a major story I have no interest in seeing. I care about where the characters go because I was it 12 fucking months a year. That is beyond fucking retarded. "Why do you give a fuck what happens to the characters?"

[James Steele]

Punk is over... he is not on Cena or Rock's level. Seriously. Stop. lol

And yeah, you're fucked if anything happens to Cena. That's kind of an issue that needs to be resolved by putting some fucking effort into building guys up the other 11 months of the year. Maybe then you can have a guy at WrestleMania in a year or two who can draw by simply having his name and picture on the poster. For now, WrestleMania is where you do your money main event and your climactic ending. And that climactic ending is Cena getting his win back from last year. He's your biggest full-time draw. Whether you like it or not, there are more people (YEAH, 12 YEAR OLD KIDS! LOL) who watch the PPVs to see him win than anyone else. He lost a HUGE match last year against Rock. After losing in the main event the year before because of The Rock. Him finally getting Rock is the climax to the story. How are you not getting this?

I know what the fucking story is you twat. It is a lame fucking story we've seen a million times. Only instead of Cena overcoming the odds in 3 weeks it took 2 years.

[Juan]

So Cena FINALLY beats The Rock at WM. Then what? He gets that win that means the world to him, but then what?

There's no doubt in my mind that this is what WWE is planning. For Cena to FINALLY overcome The Rock, but then what?

Cena comes out the next night and thanks the fans and says this was the biggest win of his career and the proceeds to overcome the odds again for the next 5 or 6 months and everyone is tired of Cena again

[James Steele]

It is needlessly and uninspiring melodramatic (much like Michael Cole's announcing). Which is appropriate because I'm sure Cole will be selling your whole point of "CENA FINALLY BEAT THE ROCK! AFTER 2 YEARS OF HELL, JOHN CENA HAS BEATEN THE ODDS, SILENCED THE CRITICS, AND IS ONCE AGAIN WWE CHAMPION!!!!" as half the crowd goes home pissed.

[#1-norm-fan]

Because I'm sick and fucking tired of John Cena.

Aaaand I'm pretty sure we're at the core of the issue here.

When they get a clue how to build up a guy that every demographic fucking goes nuts for for an extended period of time, then they can start building him up for his WrestleMania moments and whatnot. Until then, there's Cena. And he's got a win to get back. And should probably hold the title and keep it credible until that other guy comes along.

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't think this is accurate. Technically Punk is just as over as Cena.

No other "top face" has half the crowd chanting that he sucks

Noooo he is not my Taco Supreme

[James Steele]

It wouldn't be all that big of an issue if Cena hadn't beaten everybody already. The Rock is the only guy left. Seriously, who on the roster has John Cena not beaten in a feud already that could headline PPVs?

[James Steele]

Aaaand I'm pretty sure we're at the core of the issue here.

When they get a clue how to build up a guy that every demographic fucking goes nuts for for an extended period of time, then they can start building him up for his WrestleMania moments and whatnot. Until then, there's Cena. And he's got a win to get back. And should probably hold the title and keep it credible until that other guy comes along.

They did. His name was CM Punk. They turned him heel because he is the only bad guy who could compete with Cena/Rock despite what you think.

[James Steele]

Aaaand I'm pretty sure we're at the core of the issue here.

When they get a clue how to build up a guy that every demographic fucking goes nuts for for an extended period of time, then they can start building him up for his WrestleMania moments and whatnot. Until then, there's Cena. And he's got a win to get back. And should probably hold the title and keep it credible until that other guy comes along.

CM Punk did more good for the WWE Title in a year than Cena did in 5.

[#1-norm-fan]

It is a major story I have no interest in seeing. I care about where the characters go because I was it 12 fucking months a year. That is beyond fucking retarded. "Why do you give a fuck what happens to the characters?"

BECAUSE YOU DON'T BUILD A FUCKING CHARACTER IN ONE WRESTLEMANIA MATCH, YOU DOLT! IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS HOW NO ONE IS OVER BECAUSE THE BOOKING FOR MOST OF THE YEAR IS GENERALLY SHIT, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. IT HAS SHIT TO DO WITH THIS ONE MATCH. IF THEY WANNA TAKE HIS CHARACTER IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT LAST YEAR AFTER THE MATCH. THEY CAN HAVE HIM TURN HEEL THE NIGHT AFTER ON RAW. THEY CAN HAVE HIM SHIT ON THE AMERICAN FLAG AT EXTREME RULES. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT. lol

Better? Comprehending why I said they're separate issues? Jesus

[James Steele]

The only money matches left for Cena that haven't been done to death are Undertaker and Ryback.

[#1-norm-fan]

Noooo he is not my Taco Supreme

I feel like this was the accurate response. Sometimes it's a lost cause.

[#1-norm-fan]

The only money matches left for Cena that haven't been done to death are Undertaker and Ryback.

Well that sucks. They should probably build up some heels for him to feud with after WrestleMania.

[James Steele]

BECAUSE YOU DON'T BUILD A FUCKING CHARACTER IN ONE WRESTLEMANIA MATCH, YOU DOLT! IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS HOW NO ONE IS OVER BECAUSE THE BOOKING FOR MOST OF THE YEAR IS GENERALLY SHIT, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. IT HAS SHIT TO DO WITH THIS ONE MATCH. IF THEY WANNA TAKE HIS CHARACTER IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT LAST YEAR AFTER THE MATCH. THEY CAN HAVE HIM TURN HEEL THE NIGHT AFTER ON RAW. THEY CAN HAVE HIM SHIT ON THE AMERICAN FLAG AT EXTREME RULES. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT. lol

Better? Comprehending why I said they're separate issues? Jesus

Do you not see how a new main eventer winning at THE BIGGEST FUCKING SHOW OF THE YEAR would help cement him? FFS, why do you think they didn't put the belt on Austin, Batista, and Cena until WrestleMania? Because winning at WrestleMania is just on another level than winning at another ppv. Would it have been as epic if JR screaming "THE AUSTIN ERA HAS BEGUN" had happened at fucking BreakDown In Your House?

[Juan]

I feel like this was the accurate response. Sometimes it's a lost cause.

I don't get it

[James Steele]

Well that sucks. They should probably build up some heels for him to feud with after WrestleMania.

They had some, but they fed them all to Cena already. (Ziggler, Sandow, Barrett, Cesaro, Del Rio, Brock, Rhodes, The Shield, Swagger, Mark Henry, etc.)

WWE shouldn't have let Cena soundly beat Ziggler already. He is the next great heel, but they have cut him off at the knees every single fucking time. Maybe Mark Henry, but we've seen that before too. Swagger's reinvention could be a good heel for Cena, but he's in the other title scene and Cena's beaten his ass a bunch too.

[#1-norm-fan]

Do you not see how a new main eventer winning at THE BIGGEST FUCKING SHOW OF THE YEAR would help cement him? FFS, why do you think they didn't put the belt on Austin, Batista, and Cena until WrestleMania? Because winning at WrestleMania is just on another level than winning at another ppv. Would it have been as epic if JR screaming "THE AUSTIN ERA HAS BEGUN" had happened at fucking BreakDown In Your House?

Austin, Batista and Cena were built up to a point where their WrestleMania win would be a huge culmination. WrestleMania is the icing on the cake... it still takes that other 11 months of building the star before he hits that big moment that puts him over the top.

It actually requires long term building BEFORE hand. Chris Benoit won it at the main event at WrestleMania. He didn't exactly go on to be a mega star. Til he murdered people at least. That got his name out there. But still.

[James Steele]

WWE hasn't got enough heels/challengers for Cena because whenever anybody gets remotely over enough to feud with him they feed him to Cena. Cena doesn't need any more building up. He has peaked.

[Skippord]

I'm just surprised anyone on earth is enthused about watching Cena/Rock 2

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't get it

There should have been a comma between "not" and "my". :o

[James Steele]

Instead of feeding Ziggler to Cena the past few months, they let him actually look like he is on Cena's level. Then, the story is can Cena keep fighting off Ziggler and can Ziggler finally put it over the top and beat Cena when it matters most?

It is a vicious cycle. They have no major stars to face Cena because they feed all their rising stars to Cena. The one time they buck that trend, CM Punk, he became the hottest thing in wrestling for months and is now the only full time guy who is remotely close to being on the level of Cena, Rock, Lesnar, etc.

They build guys up all the time. How many times has Ziggler been built up only to job out in the big match? Wade Barrett was fucking hot and they decided that John Cena getting his "moment" was more important than cementing Wade Barrett as a main event heel. I can go on and on. You know this is true. Cena doesn't need his moment. He has had nothing but "moments" his entire career. The Shield are the closest thing they have right now, but none of them are ready for one-on-one feuds. It is still a glorified stable war of sorts.

[owenbrown]

wow, James Steele as the voice of reason here. :eek:

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE hasn't got enough heels/challengers for Cena because whenever anybody gets remotely over enough to feud with him they feed him to Cena. Cena doesn't need any more building up. He has peaked.

Well, them feeding him to Cena and fucking up his push immediately seems like bad booking. Maybe an issue they should think about fixing.

And does Rock need more building up? Did Hogan need more building up after WrestleMania 3? Again, it's about the story. You're not getting it. Cena doesn't NEED the win to build himself up. He needs the win because that's the fitting climax to the feud.

[#1-norm-fan]

owenbrown is on your side, James.

[#1-norm-fan]

I feel like you're completely ignoring the fact that half the crowd still fucking loves Cena. And there is a happy ending to be had for them. You and the half of the crowd you agree with don't exactly have more of a "right" to have it your way than the other half. Though you're acting like it. They could use Cena's reign to put over someone else, push Ryback or someone to the moon and then demote Cena if they see fit. For now though, Cena winning this one match is the right way to go.

[Tazz Dan]

K, so why don't you just agree to disagree. Pretty obvious nobody is changing their view on things.

[James Steele]

Well, them feeding him to Cena and fucking up his push immediately seems like bad booking. Maybe an issue they should think about fixing.

And does Rock need more building up? Did Hogan need more building up after WrestleMania 3? Again, it's about the story. You're not getting it. Cena doesn't NEED the win to build himself up. He needs the win because that's the fitting climax to the feud.

Bad booking, yes. You are still missing the point. They could use this WrestleMania to complete somebody else's story instead of just rehashing the same story we've been told 1000 times. The feud had its climax when John Cena basically said that losing to The Rock meant nothing and The Rock went on to win the WWE title. No reason to dig this feud back up. The 3-way at least adds something new to it.

Also, regarding WM3, Hogan/Andre was cashing in on the dream match. You didn't see them do it again at WM4 or have Andre win at WM3 just to have Hogan "get his win back and epic moment" at WM4. No. If you wanted Cena to have his fucking moment, do it when the story was fresh. Rock/Cena is well-worn and nothing left to add to it other than an unnecessary feel good moment for a guy who has had more feel good moments than anybody in the history of wrestling.

[James Steele]

K, so why don't you just agree to disagree. Pretty obvious nobody is changing their view on things.

Because #1-wwf-fan is a dumb sack of shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think James Steele is still fuming over the unforgivable sin of duct tape being used in a wrestling match and it's making him irrational about things.

[James Steele]

I feel like you're completely ignoring the fact that half the crowd still fucking loves Cena. And there is a happy ending to be had for them. You and the half of the crowd you agree with don't exactly have more of a "right" to have it your way than the other half. Though you're acting like it. They could use Cena's reign to put over someone else, push Ryback or someone to the moon and then demote Cena if they see fit. For now though, Cena winning this one match is the right way to go.


Cena winning does nothing but tell us the same story we've seen a million fucking times. The kiddos have gotten their way plenty of times and there is no reason to tell a different story that they might like as much as "Cena overcomes the odds." Hell, they might even start liking other wrestlers as much as Cena. GOD FORBID.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've stated my opinion and as the pulse of the WWE Universe, once it was stated the thread should be locked and considered over.

I'll leave this for those who claim Punk is as over as Cena.

Punk leaves for a year: ratings don't change
Cena leaves for a year: ratings drop.

You can't honestly deny that.

[James Steele]

I think James Steele is still fuming over the unforgivable sin of duct tape being used in a wrestling match and it's making him irrational about things.

It is the single stupidest finish to a main event world title match ever. It was stupid with Cena/Batista moreso than Show/Del Rio because that match between Cena/Batista was sold as a fight to the death for who is the top dog in WWE. You can't hype a match up like that and then end it with a finish from Home Alone.

[Tazz Dan]

Seriously, STFU guys. James, you're better than this.

[#1-norm-fan]

"Little kids have gotten their way enough! I want my wrasslin' back!!!"

Do you enjoy robbing kids of their entertainment, James Steele?

[James Steele]

Seriously, STFU guys. James, you're better than this.

I'm still not over WrestleMania 22. It has been a long 7 years.

[Bad News Gertner]

More people have cared about this thread than HHH's retirement speech.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Punk didn't have half the crowd booing him when he was the face-WWE Champion. Everybody was cheering and chanting CM Punk. That's probably why they turned him heel because he was out popping (and out selling in shirts) the chosen one at every show.

[James Steele]

"Little kids have gotten their way enough! I want my wrasslin' back!!!"

Do you enjoy robbing kids of their entertainment, James Steele?

I'm tired of PPVs I buy being awesome until the last 5 minutes where Cena completely ruins them for me.

[#1-norm-fan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Duct-tape.jpg/300px-Duct-tape.jpg

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

More people have cared about this thread than HHH's retirement speech.

Cause we were all pretty sure he wasn't really retiring anyways.

[Bad News Gertner]

Punk didn't have half the crowd booing him when he was the face-WWE Champion. Everybody was cheering and chanting CM Punk. That's probably why they turned him heel because he was out popping (and out selling in shirts) the chosen one at every show.

And drawing the lowest ratings in over a decade. Can't be that over. In any other era Punk is nothing more than an IC champ.

[Bad News Gertner]

Cause we were all pretty sure he wasn't really retiring anyways.

Nobody ever retires.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can't remember the last time even the Cena haters said Cena ruined the end of a PPV for them.

[Bad News Gertner]

Heath Slater needs more mic time.

[James Steele]

Punk didn't have half the crowd booing him when he was the face-WWE Champion. Everybody was cheering and chanting CM Punk. That's probably why they turned him heel because he was out popping (and out selling in shirts) the chosen one at every show.

I don't think it was that. Quite simply, CM Punk is the only guy over enough to compete with Cena and The Rock, so they turned him heel since they kept fucking over Barrett, Ziggler, etc. Since Cena will never turn heel and The Rock is a eternal babyface due to icon status, they needed a heel for them to face. Plus, CM Punk had done everything he could do as a babyface at the time. I'd like to see how CM Punk would have done if he had a long chase for the title as a babyface.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

And drawing the lowest ratings in over a decade. Can't be that over. In any other era Punk is nothing more than an IC champ.

Since whatever Cena was doing was still the focus of the show for the most part John-Boy is responsible for those ratings as much as Punk is.

[James Steele]

I can't remember the last time even the Cena haters said Cena ruined the end of a PPV for them.

If Cena wins next week, we know 5 weeks in advance the last 5 minutes of WrestleMania XXIX. Just like when he ruined the 2008 Royal Rumble. As soon as he came out at #30, I knew the last 5 minutes of the PPV. It has happened time and time again for almost a decade. He hasn't ruined a PPV in awhile, and I'd like to keep it that way.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Punk was soooo over that they had him do third on the card World Title defences.