***OFFICIAL*** Tazz Dan Endorsed TPWW WrestleMania 31 thread - RISE!

[Fat Aaron]

So much better than Reigns winning imo

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I hope Reigns double spears Lesnar and Rollins, stacks their bodies on top of each other and pins them

The internet qould explode

[Corkscrewed]

OMG, THEY FUCKING PULLED A BRILLIANT ENDING OUT OF THIS SHIT!!

[Savio]

Very good mainevent

[Dark One]

Wut, don't you have to pin the champ or did I miss something?

It made it a triple threat match because REASONS.

AMAZING.

[Corkscrewed]

Lol I hope Reigns double spears Lesnar and Rollins, stacks their bodies on top of each other and pins them

The internet qould explode
I thought that was gonna happen when Reigns speared Lesnar.

[Droford]

Jesus christ

[GD]

THIS IS FUCKINF AWESOME! Holy shit!

[Emperor Smeat]

:y: Rollins the new champ. Amazing ending to Mania.

PPV was really good overall.

[Loose Cannon]

Well Brock didn't lose :)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Lesnar coming back as a face to murder Rollins is gonna be wonderful. think of the bumps</font>

[KIRA]

YES

[Theo Dious]

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[#1-norm-fan]

lol Rollins using that little known clause in the Money in the Bank contract that says if you cash in while the champion is in the middle of a match, you can pin the other guy and win the title.

[VSG]

MASSIVE BONER TIME

[The Mask]

Good show, night lads

[Loose Cannon]

Excellent match

[Disturbed316]

What an ending

[Corkscrewed]

But Rollins cashing in DURING the match is brilliant. He can't beat Lesnar one on one even after the match. So pin Reigns. Good job, WWE. You did the right thing (the right thing being Reigns not winning).

[road doggy dogg]

I can't wait to hear about this match tomorrow or w/e.. they looked like they were working super stiff

[RVDmark]

Rollins just stole Reigns momentum and push.

[Dark One]

Holy shit. Seth Rollins is WWE Champion.

How the fuck did they do it? They took an awful build and kind of lackluster card and somehow turned in a fucking phenomenal Wrestlemania.

I can't even fathom what happened tonight.

[Shadrick]

Fan are you ticked with the outcome?

[Droford]

Seth Rollins is gonna be on the today show

Millions of people go who the fuck is this asshole

[#1-norm-fan]

That was WAY more logical than Hogan vs Yokozuna...

[Ruien]

That was awesome. So much for Rollins being done because he lost to Orton right?

[GD]

I jumped out of my seat! So happy! I am going to RAW tomorrow :love:

[Corkscrewed]

We can all go home happy, folks. Or, um, stay home?

[Theo Dious]

That was WAY more logical than Hogan vs Yokozuna...

Yes. Yes it was.

[Dark One]

Rollins just stole Reigns momentum and push.

Rollins has been the hottest act coming out of the Shield for pretty much the whole year.

This is the right thing to happen.

[road doggy dogg]

That was one of the best Wrestlemanias I've ever seen.

[Theo Dious]

Holy shit. Tyler Black is WWE Champion.

Another way to look at it.

[Corkscrewed]

Holy shit. Seth Rollins is WWE Champion.

How the fuck did they do it? They took an awful build and kind of lackluster card and somehow turned in a fucking phenomenal Wrestlemania.

I can't even fathom what happened tonight.

Seriously. Not sure if it was very low expectations or actual good showing (I think both), but that was a great ending and an overall pretty good show.

[KIRA]

OMG WERE DO i GO to taunt romans fans

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Seriously this is a win for everybody. Reigns looks like a badass for kicking out of three F-5s and still nearly winning. Brock still looks close to indestructible and he didn't take the pin. Rollins looks like a slimy super-genius.

And it sets up Reigns and Lesnar both trying to kill Rollins dead.

Far more interesting than the Reigns clean win I was anticipating.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Fan are you ticked with the outcome?

I'm actually gonna enjoy watching the people who claimed "but Rollins has a contract, so that's why this makes more sense than Hogan at WM 9" acting like there was logic behind that.

[Droford]

If Rusev had won this would have been the greatest ever

[Tom Guycott]

Yeeeaaahhhh!

Wasn't the scenario I imagined, but...

[rockman725]

But Rollins cashing in DURING the match is brilliant.

Many months ago, I remember wishing they'd do something like that where the MITB cash in was during a match. Glad they saved it for WM.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

SO PUMPED FOR RAW TOMORROW! SETH FUCKING DID IT! WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION!

[Ruien]

Rollins has the main belt, Cena has the USA title, and Bryan has thr IC title. Go figure.

[The Destroyer]

Was expecting nothing from the show going in but that was overall pretty damn great. Perfect ending to the first Mania I've seen in a decade.

[OssMan]

fucking ass load of pyro to end the show... just shooting up from the staidum but not the ramp... boring sht

[Theo Dious]

I'm actually gonna enjoy watching the people who claimed "but Rollins has a contract, so that's why this makes more sense than Hogan at WM 9" acting like there was logic behind that.

Yeah I guy who has been carrying around and "any time anywhere" title opportunity and has been built up as a devious manipulator makes no more sense than Hogan randomly showing up at ringside to help a guy he has no kayfabe history with.

Get a CAT scan because you clearly have brain damage.

[RawRocks]

Seth Rollins is annoying but... that needed to happen.

[Corkscrewed]

Seriously this is a win for everybody. Reigns looks like a badass for kicking out of three F-5s and still nearly winning. Brock still looks close to indestructible and he didn't take the pin. Rollins looks like a slimy super-genius.

And it sets up Reigns and Lesnar both trying to kill Rollins dead.

Far more interesting than the Reigns clean win I was anticipating.

Agreed. This was by and far the best way to book the match, and they actually did it. By George, the writers CAN script good wrestling theater!

Makes it even more frustrating when the rest of the time is shit, doesn't it? lol

[Droford]

Seriously, Cena winning the US Title only makes sense if Lesnar wins and takes off til Summerslam

[Fat Aaron]

<font color=goldenrod>Seriously this is a win for everybody. Reigns looks like a badass for kicking out of three F-5s and still nearly winning. Brock still looks close to indestructible and he didn't take the pin. Rollins looks like a slimy super-genius.

And it sets up Reigns and Lesnar both trying to kill Rollins dead.

Far more interesting than the Reigns clean win I was anticipating.</font>

THIS

[Theo Dious]

Also... 2 years in a row where Wrestlemania closes out with a former ROH star walking out with the title. Go figure that.

[road doggy dogg]

What a perfect ending.


Added subtext on top of the Lesnar/Reigns/Rollins stuff, is Orton also beat Rollins so he could easily have a stake in the title scene too. Things looking good.

[Evil Vito]

Agreed. This was by and far the best way to book the match, and they actually did it. By George, the writers CAN script good wrestling theater!

Makes it even more frustrating when the rest of the time is shit, doesn't it? lol

<font color=goldenrod>Yep. I'd wager money that Reigns wins the title clean next month, Rollins goes back to the midcard, and we get a Reigns/Lesnar rematch at SummerSlam.

But for the biggest show of the year, they did it right.</font>

[Jordan]

Wow one of the best Wrestlemania's I think in many years. Every match was really good and the main event was incredible. Also I loved Cena/Rusev especially.

[Corkscrewed]

You're probably right. But yeah, right here, they did it correctly.

Reigns did elevate himself by kicking out a bunch of time but didn't bury Lesnar, since Lesnar took three Superman Punches and two Spears.

[Dark One]

Never more applicable:

http://i.imgur.com/dtKHyTW.jpg

[Droford]

I guarantee Cena will be the one to beat Rollins for the title too

[Simple Fan]

That was awesome Rollins as champ should be good.

[Ruien]

It's a good thing Brock did not get counted out huh.

[KIRA]

Rollins is like Edge reincarnated except Edge isn't dead

[VSG]

Seriously, Cena winning the US Title only makes sense if Lesnar wins and takes off til Summerslam

This. Aside from Rusev losing, which makes sense potentially now, this was one of the best Wrestlemanias I have seen.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah I guy who has been carrying around and "any time anywhere" title opportunity and has been built up as a devious manipulator makes no more sense than Hogan randomly showing up at ringside to help a guy he has no kayfabe history with.

Get a CAT scan because you clearly have brain damage.

One guy was literally challenged by the champions manager for a match, accepted the challenge and won the title.

One guy had a case with a contract to cash in for a title shot and cashed it in on a guy who wasn't the champion.

But of course the outcome that works best for the guy you like will make more sense because... derp.

[road doggy dogg]

Rollins is like Edge reincarnated except Edge isn't dead



...yet

[Evil Vito]

You're probably right. But yeah, right here, they did it correctly.

Reigns did elevate himself by kicking out a bunch of time but didn't bury Lesnar, since Lesnar took three Superman Punches and two Spears.

<font color=goldenrod>If they do what I assume they'll do, I'll probably just stick to PPVs only until the SummerSlam build gets into full swing. They clearly tread water for like 8-9 months out of the year it seems.</font>

[Dark One]

http://i.imgur.com/gO2XalW.jpg

[Innovator]

WOOOOOOOOOO AGE OF THE FALL!!!!!!!!

[James Steele]

I hereby decree that Seth Rollins is the Triple H of this generation and hereby the greatest fully active heel in wrestling today.

[RawRocks]

you cant keep having a champion only appearing for a match 5 nights a year.. this is what's best for business.

[Dark One]

http://i.imgur.com/aw50bX8.jpg

[Jaded-Dragon]

Gotta say the build up for the event licked donkey balls, but damn if they didn't pull a solid show out of it.

That Lesnar vs Reigns match was stiff as fuck and I loved it. Happy that Seth walks out with the belt! Awesome!

[Loose Cannon]

WOOOOOOOOOO AGE OF THE FALL!!!!!!!!

:y:

[road doggy dogg]

I hereby decree that Seth Rollins is the Triple H of this generation and hereby the greatest fully active heel in wrestling today.

whew

Glad to see you are still with us after HHH Terminator intro

[Theo Dious]

You're probably right. But yeah, right here, they did it correctly.

Reigns did elevate himself by kicking out a bunch of time but didn't bury Lesnar, since Lesnar took three Superman Punches and two Spears.

Seriously how often do you see 3 guys involved in a match all walk out smelling like roses? Fucking magical brilliant fucking magic.

[Dark One]

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[KIRA]

...yet
and hopefully not for a very very long time.

[James Steele]

Fan, he cashed in and added himself to the match thereby making it a triple threat whereby he can pin either man to win. It makes more sense for him to even show up in the main event than when Hogan did.

[road doggy dogg]

I can't wait for them to screw this all up by next PPV!

[Loose Cannon]

That was my favorite mania in a long long while.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

One guy was literally challenged by the champions manager for a match, accepted the challenge and won the title.

One guy had a case with a contract to cash in for a title shot and cashed it in on a guy who wasn't the champion.

But of course the outcome that works best for the guy you like will make more sense because... derp.

Your points are completely valid. It doesn't make much sense, but wrestling. If the crowd gets behind it because the performers pull it off enough to suspend the audience's disbelief, and they can enjoy it, and the right guys are all involved in the moving parts of the formula, it will work. It's fucking annoying that they can't carry a cohesive storyline to save their damned lives, but if the work is good, it makes it JUST worth it.

[Bad News Gertner]

you cant keep having a champion only appearing for a match 5 nights a year.. this is what's best for business.

Sure you can. It keeps Lesnar's matches special, and fuck has he ever had some gems.

[Loose Cannon]

Worst match was taker/wyatt but that match wasn't even bad. Every match was solid

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE seems like it really wants to be ROH around this time of year until it fails miserable a month or two later. Call me crazy, but I don't think that's a great business move.

[Theo Dious]

One guy was literally challenged by the champions manager for a match, accepted the challenge and won the title.

One guy had a case with a contract to cash in for a title shot and cashed it in on a guy who wasn't the champion.

But of course the outcome that works best for the guy you like will make more sense because... derp.

Hogan had no reason to be at ringside. NONE. WHATSOEVER. What can you not fucking understand about that?

[Dark One]

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/ep_full/public/ep/image/2015/03/20150329_LARGE_WM31_POST_OrtonRollins_HQ2.jpg

[Dark One]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBUFNFTW4AA7JxD.jpg

[Tazz Dan]

This was a fucking great PPV.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>FUCK what a Mania. I don't even care that WWE will be back to business as usual by May. Gonna jerk off with anti-IWC tears tonight.</font>

[Theo Dious]

Again it's been made clear since Rollins won the case that he could cash in ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

Hogan shows up at ringside to save a guy he had never shown any interest in before. Not arguing about the challenge or its validity. The logic of Rollins having a shot

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE

beats the logic of Hogan suddenly takeing an interest in Bret Hart's well-being.

[OssMan]

Overall rating: :n:

All the pyro fucking sucked.. Been looking forward to brock lesnar's wrestlemania pyro for ~6 months and it was horribly timed.. NO opening pyro.. r -truth didn't even rap his entrance.. only good moment was Rusev entrance

[Theo Dious]

It's the whole fucking MitB concept.


ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

FUCKING SAY IT WITH ME YOU INCREDIBLE FUCKING HALFWIT.



ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

[Theo Dious]

Overall rating: :n:

All the pyro fucking sucked.. Been looking forward to brock lesnar's wrestlemania pyro for ~6 months and it was horribly timed.. NO opening pyro.. r -truth didn't even rap his entrance.. only good moment was Rusev entrance

...okay YOU aren't even a halfwit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Your points are completely valid. It doesn't make much sense, but wrestling. If the crowd gets behind it because the performers pull it off enough to suspend the audience's disbelief, and they can enjoy it, and the right guys are all involved in the moving parts of the formula, it will work. It's fucking annoying that they can't carry a cohesive storyline to save their damned lives, but if the work is good, it makes it JUST worth it.

I agree. My point isn't the lack of logic, really. It's the fact that people liked to cry "logic" in the case of the guy they hate and call it a terrible idea but then when something happens with way less logic behind it, they praise it as brilliant. Just say you don't like one guy and you like the other.

That being said, the entire idea of when/how you can cash in Money in the Bank is completely random and should probably have a little more form to it. WWE has even shown the "official" Money in the Bank contract which should make things more clear in theory. lol

[road doggy dogg]

can you please argue about stupid shit in a non-wrestlemania thread

like this PPV was great top to bottom, why ruin it with an argument that has nothing to do with anything

sigh, internet

[Keith]

Shades of WrestleMania 10.


Bret loses to Owen early on...and ends the night as World Champion.

[Theo Dious]

Also... 2 years in a row where Wrestlemania closes out with a former ROH star walking out with the title. Go figure that.

Also add to this that I'm pretty sure Punk walked out with the WHC three years ago, didn't he?

[Theo Dious]

I agree. My point isn't the lack of logic, really. It's the fact that people liked to cry "logic" in the case of the guy they hate and call it a terrible idea but then when something happens with way less logic behind it, they praise it as brilliant. Just say you don't like one guy and you like the other.

That being said, the entire idea of when/how you can cash in Money in the Bank is completely random and should probably have a little more form to it. WWE has even shown the "official" Money in the Bank contract which should make things more clear in theory. lol

There has only ever been one rule.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

YOU CANNOT BE THIS FUCKING STUPID.

[#1-norm-fan]

It's the whole fucking MitB concept.


ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

FUCKING SAY IT WITH ME YOU INCREDIBLE FUCKING HALFWIT.



ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

He should have cashed it in against El Torito since apparently "Anytime, anywhere" is all that matters and the champion doesn't have to be involved.

This is a pretty great quote to have for your "I only hear the words I want to in any given situation" tendency. Thanks.

[Dark One]

Me right now:

http://media.tumblr.com/5ce6deba91a6020f6f5029d23de99b97/tumblr_inline_nejf7bU9je1sfvdd1.gif

[Stickman]

Worst match was taker/wyatt but that match wasn't even bad. Every match was solid

I think the Cena match was worse although both were pretty bad

[Maluco]

Look at RVD at ONS, he decided ahead of time, when he was going to do it and where.

Stands to reason that Rollins could have said weeks ago, ,I am cashing the case in at Mania to make the match a triple threat and it would have been perfectly within the rules.

Cashing it in in the middle of said match shouldn't make any difference. You can declare when you want it.

[Theo Dious]

He should have cashed it in against El Torito since apparently "Anytime, anywhere" is all that matters and the champion doesn't have to be involved.

This is a pretty great quote to have for "I only hear what I want to". Thanks.

You can't have a title match if the champion isn't in the match. How does it feel to stick your fingers so far into your ears that you touch your brain?

[Keith]

I think the Cena match was worse although both were pretty bad



I actually thought Cena/Rusev was pretty good.

[Corndad]

Great Booking to Main Event. Lesnar Reigns and even Orton have claims to next shot. Wide open booking .

Could see Rock vs HHH at SummerSlam. Does Sting go anywhere from here or was that legit his last match?

[Theo Dious]

Look at RVD at ONS, he decided ahead of time, when he was going to do it and where.

Stands to reason that Rollins could have said weeks ago, ,I am cashing the case in at Mania to make the match a triple threat and it would have been perfectly within the rules.

Cashing it in in the middle of said match shouldn't make any difference. You can declare when you want it.

People have been suggesting since the inception of MitB that the case holder should do it like this. I credit WWE for keeping the idea in their pocket and pulling the trigger at a point where a) people likely decided it wasn't ever going to happen that way and b) it would have the greatest impact.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I will say the Bryan/Cena decisions are a bit interesting given that the champ is a regular guy.

Maybe Lesnar will use his rematch clause tomorrow and then disappear again?</font>

[Dark One]

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[Theo Dious]

I actually thought Cena/Rusev was pretty good.

It was a solid match and did what it should have with the people involved, I just didn't give a shit about it.

[Theo Dious]

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Damn he's practically foaming at the mouth.

[MoFo]

WWE delivered big tonight.

Best Mania since 23, maybe.

I thought Brock was gonna kick the shit out of Reigns for going stiff though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Look at RVD at ONS, he decided ahead of time, when he was going to do it and where.

Stands to reason that Rollins could have said weeks ago, ,I am cashing the case in at Mania to make the match a triple threat and it would have been perfectly within the rules.

Cashing it in in the middle of said match shouldn't make any difference. You can declare when you want it.

If we're using logic (I know. Wrestling.) Then it should have just been a match against Lesnar. Unless the contract specifically says that if a match is going on at the time, then it becomes a triple threat. Which would be kinda silly.

[Jordan]

I didn't like the girls tag match but everything else I thought was great.

[Theo Dious]

Me right now:

http://media.tumblr.com/5ce6deba91a6020f6f5029d23de99b97/tumblr_inline_nejf7bU9je1sfvdd1.gif

Future WWE champion wrestling in tightie whities. Bwahaha.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Anyway gonna go slam dance, put a streak in my hair, and send some dick pics to bitches like I'm Seth fucking Rollins.

Great Mania. Was a lot of fun.</font>

[Maluco]

<font color=goldenrod>I will say the Bryan/Cena decisions are a bit interesting given that the champ is a regular guy.

Maybe Lesnar will use his rematch clause tomorrow and then disappear again?</font>

I think it will be great. Hopefully it means there are 3 hot single titles feuds now that are all the biggest matches at the next PPV.

Have missed the titles mattering so really hoping this is a new start!

[Droford]

Seth Rollins should pull a Brock and take a 3 month vacation

[Theo Dious]

WWE delivered big tonight.

Best Mania since 23, maybe.

I thought Brock was gonna kick the shit out of Reigns for going stiff though.

You really think Lesnar is in a position to take anyone to task over working stiff?

[Emperor Smeat]

Great Booking to Main Event. Lesnar Reigns and even Orton have claims to next shot. Wide open booking .

Could see Rock vs HHH at SummerSlam. Does Sting go anywhere from here or was that legit his last match?

Seems so unless the WWE calls him for SummerSlam or Mania 32.

Sting did an interview with the Associated Press where he said that today's match with HHH would probably be his last match. He said if all goes well it is possible he may do SummerSlam, but gave the indication the odds are against that happening. He also said he would be open to a match with Undertaker at next year's WrestleMania if it was offered.

[Theo Dious]

Seth Rollins should pull a Brock and take a 3 month vacation

I really want the Authority to basically protect him from having to defend the title too often. And then have him cop the "I wanna but they say no" attitude.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

If we're using logic (I know. Wrestling.) Then it should have just been a match against Lesnar. Unless the contract specifically says that if a match is going on at the time, then it becomes a triple threat. Which would be kinda silly.

Well there's no precedent so there you go. Have fun being literally the only person in the world who cares.

[#1-norm-fan]

You can't have a title match if the champion isn't in the match. How does it feel to stick your fingers so far into your ears that you touch your brain?

"ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, DERP."

... against the champion right?

"ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, DERP."

... So, you're not gonna mention the huge stretch of logic that's involved in the situation because you like the guy that won, right?

"ANYDERP, ANYDERP, DERP!"

[Maluco]

If we're using logic (I know. Wrestling.) Then it should have just been a match against Lesnar. Unless the contract specifically says that if a match is going on at the time, then it becomes a triple threat. Which would be kinda silly.

But what if he had announced before that he was using the case to enter himself into the main event at Mania? How would you feel then?

Would that have been ok?

And if so, what's the difference with him doing it midmatch?

[Theo Dious]

Sting did an interview with the Associated Press where he said that today's match with HHH would probably be his last match. He said if all goes well it is possible he may do SummerSlam, but gave the indication the odds are against that happening. He also said he would be open to a match with Undertaker at next year's WrestleMania if it was offered.

Given that he was always supposed to be the guy who would never ever come to WWE I wouldn't call this gospel.

[road doggy dogg]

What a perfect ending.


Added subtext on top of the Lesnar/Reigns/Rollins stuff, is Orton also beat Rollins so he could easily have a stake in the title scene too. Things looking good.

actually want to retract this a bit

really hope they don't do somethign stupid and have like a 7 man match for title with a bunch of guys gunning for it

[#1-norm-fan]

Well there's no precedent so there you go. Have fun being literally the only person in the world who cares.

Again, they actually HAVE shown the MITB contract before where it states the rules if we're gonna get technical.

[Keith]

Perhaps Roman Reigns will win the MITB this year.


And he may cash-in at Summerslam, who knows?

[Theo Dious]

"ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, DERP."

... against the champion right?

"ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, DERP."

... So, you're not gonna mention the huge stretch of logic that's involved in the situation because you like the guy that won, right?

"ANYDERP, ANYDERP, DERP!"

If you want to show me where I've ever presented myself as a huge Rollins fan, go ahead.

And go ahead grabbing your balls over pretending to be so much smarter than all those rasslin fans that you're too good to be counted amongst. You're the one pretending not to grasp a simple concept so that you can play the "mwah hah hah" role and it's out there for everyone to see.

[Maluco]

Just a thought, there IS always the chance that the decision gets reversed on RAW and the title held up!

Almost certainly won't happen because it would take away from the main of Mania and the great position they have now.

But it did take the officials a while to accept that he was cashing in, there was a bit of a discussion.

[#1-norm-fan]

But what if he had announced before that he was using the case to enter himself into the main event at Mania? How would you feel then?

Would that have been ok?

And if so, what's the difference with him doing it mismatch?

Triple H could have put him in the match since he's in the authority. There could have been ways to do it. Triple H could have planned all of this out and changed the contract. You can make things that make no sense happen because it's wrestling. Like I said, it's not the logic I'm arguing. It's the "breaking logic is only okay if the guy I like comes out on top" mindset.

[Dark One]

Going to go take a break, and then watching Mania again and giving some of you wonderful bastards some rep.

I'm still in utter disbelief how they took a really mild card and atrocious build and cranked out a A+++ show.

A bunch of stuff happened. Maybe the right guy didn't win here or there, but that happens. It all made some degree of sense, and everything had a pretty good story. Tons of stuff that's going to be shown in highlight packages forever. Last year was good, but it was pretty much just Daniel Bryan winning the belt and the Streak ending, admittedly both of which were huge.

But this year?

NWO vs. DX / Sting vs. HHH.
Seth Rollins gets RKOed from space.
Rusev loses for the first time.
Secondary belts on the two biggest full-time stars.
A fucking tank.
SETH MOTHERFUCKING ROLLINS STEALS THE WWE CHAMPIONSHIP
Ronda Rousey judo throws HHH and almost breaks Stephanie's arm.

All of that is hot. So what if Cena's the one that beat Rusev? So what if Sting lost? The ride was incredible. If you think either of those things undo what led to them, I don't know what to tell you, but we can't be friends. Sorry.

[#1-norm-fan]

If you want to show me where I've ever presented myself as a huge Rollins fan, go ahead.

And go ahead grabbing your balls over pretending to be so much smarter than all those rasslin fans that you're too good to be counted amongst. You're the one pretending not to grasp a simple concept so that you can play the "mwah hah hah" role and it's out there for everyone to see.

lolwhat? So you are gonna keep ignoring it. I rest my case. But please continue to try to claim me trying to explain logic to you is just me trying to claim superiority because it makes you feel justified. I'll just let you live in that hole.

[RaginRonic]

It's the whole fucking MitB concept.


ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

FUCKING SAY IT WITH ME YOU INCREDIBLE FUCKING HALFWIT.



ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

ANY TIME, ANYWHERE.

The MITB stipulation should be changed, to where you have to give a minimum 2 weeks notice for cash-in...it would stop what I call Loophole Abuse by WWE Creative.

Oh...and the babyface Sting should have gone over tonight, not the heel Triple H. Another MAJOR mistake by WWE Creative.

To me, a dead Paul 'Triple H' Levesque is FAR better than one that's living anyway. After Over The Edge 1999, Paul became nothing but a piece of flesh to me.

The position I have on him remains the same as when I let my true opinions about him loose here. Tough shit for him, tough shit for James Steele, and tough shit for those, who unacceptably agree with him, and take his side on any fuckin' thing.

> : - (

[RVDmark]

Going to go take a break, and then watching Mania again and giving some of you wonderful bastards some rep.

I'm still in utter disbelief how they took a really mild card and atrocious build and cranked out a A+++ show.

A bunch of stuff happened. Maybe the right guy didn't win here or there, but that happens. It all made some degree of sense, and everything had a pretty good story. Tons of stuff that's going to be shown in highlight packages forever. Last year was good, but it was pretty much just Daniel Bryan winning the belt and the Streak ending, admittedly both of which were huge.

But this year?

NWO vs. DX / Sting vs. HHH.
Rusev loses for the first time.
Secondary belts on the two biggest full-time stars.
A fucking tank.
SETH MOTHERFUCKING ROLLINS STEALS THE WWE CHAMPIONSHIP
Ronda Rousey judo throws HHH and almost breaks Stephanie's arm.

All of that is hot. So what if Cena's the one that beat Rusev? So what if Sting lost? The ride was incredible. If you think either of those things undo what led to them, I don't know what to tell you, but we can't be friends. Sorry.

You forgot the womens match which was a decent solid WM worthy match for a change.

[Theo Dious]

actually want to retract this a bit

really hope they don't do somethign stupid and have like a 7 man match for title with a bunch of guys gunning for it

It's been too long since they had a decent tournament. They could do so now. Usually they blow it on a one-night "beat the clock" series.

At this point a 2-round number one contender tournament could feature the following as a PPV main event:

Reigns (Screwed by Rollins)
Lesnar (Lost the title without being beaten)
Orton (Beat Rollins at Wrestlemania)
Big Show (Won Andre trophy & friends with authority)

I'm sure you could fill it out with some other people if you wanted to but these are the guys who could make a claim based on WM accomplishments or sleights against them. Or else, throw Rusev in it and a sixth guy (Kane maybe as another authority guy) and have an Elimination Chamber match since the PPV got dropped.

[Shadrick]

Just gotta say, Seth Rollins/Randy Orton RKO spot was amazing. I legit had my mouth open when he won the title.

Tyler. You did it. *tears up*

[Droford]

Perhaps Roman Reigns will win the MITB this year.


And he may cash-in at Summerslam, who knows?

He should cash it in 10 minutes later in the main event

[Theo Dious]

The MITB stipulation should be changed, to where you have to give a minimum 2 weeks notice for cash-in...it would stop what I call Loophole Abuse by WWE Creative.

I agree with this. Actually I think I suggested it somewhere. As early as tomorrow (though more likely closer to the actual MitB PPV) they could come out and shut that loophole to protect Rollins.

[Theo Dious]

Just gotta say, Seth Rollins/Randy Orton RKO spot was amazing.

Damn straight.

[Shadrick]

Yeah, Reigns is winning MITB. I'm almost willing to bet on it.

Also. Bryan Danielson walks out of Mania last year with the industry's biggest prize.

This year, Tyler Black.

Next year...hmm...Jon Moxley?

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Seth Rollins comes out on top! Rollins wins WWE World Heavyweight title, cashes his Money in the Bank to beat Brock Lesnar &amp; Roman Reigns.</p>&mdash; SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/582382385381175296">March 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Part of the annual Mania week coverage by ESPN but might be the first time they've tweeted about the event itself.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm actually wondering now how much stock WWE put in to the mainstream attention Seth Rollins got from the Jon Stewart feud.

[Wishbone]

Lol at fan bitching and trying to hide it as a "logic" argument. Take your own advice and just admit that you don't like the guy who won.

[Droford]

I agree with this. Actually I think I suggested it somewhere. As early as tomorrow (though more likely closer to the actual MitB PPV) they could come out and shut that loophole to protect Rollins.

If Mr mitb gives two weeks notice, what's to stop the champ from kicking their ass so bad in the interim that they can't compete and basically lose the case.

[Wishbone]

Also, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The internet darlings rise again! Two years in a row baby!

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol at fan bitching and trying to hide it as a "logic" argument. Take your own advice and just admit that you don't like the guy who won.

Good job not understanding where the argument stemmed from and trying to make a comment.

[#1-norm-fan]

If Mr mitb gives two weeks notice, what's to stop the champ from kicking their ass so bad in the interim that they can't compete and basically lose the case.

What's to stop any champion doing that to a challenger before any match?

[Theo Dious]

lolwhat? So you are gonna keep ignoring it. I rest my case. But please continue to try to claim me trying to explain logic to you is just me trying to claim superiority because it makes you feel justified. I'll just let you live in that hole.

You've been presented with the logic and refused delivery. Rollins' presence made sense; he had a contract that guaranteed him a championship match any time, anywhere, and as many before him did, he used it at an opportune time that presented him with little resistance. He had the title of Mister Money in the Bank, which basically translates to "guy who can show up and demand a title opportunity any time, anywhere." This has been put over on TV for months in Rollins' specific case and years in the case of MitB in general.

Hogan's presence made no sense. There was no established reason why he and he alone would race to Bret's aid. Whatever happened with Fuji afterwards doesn't figure. Fuji was an arrogant bastard who wanted to humiliate an American flag waver so he threw out a challenge thinking he'd fuck Hogan over, and Hogan turned it back on him. Fine. That works. Hogan still had no more reason to be there than any member of the locker room.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The internet darlings rise again! Two years in a row baby!

Hopefully it works out as well as it did last year. lol

[Evil Vito]

Sting did an interview with the Associated Press where he said that today's match with HHH would probably be his last match. He said if all goes well it is possible he may do SummerSlam, but gave the indication the odds are against that happening. He also said he would be open to a match with Undertaker at next year's WrestleMania if he was offered.

<font color=goldenrod>When HHH/Sting ended I assumed they'd meet again at SummerSlam, but the handshake seemed to imply they'd go another direction...which they then started in motion with The Rock later.

Even though it's been a "dream match" I'm not sure I really want to see Sting job to Taker next year and end his WWE career 0-2. Hopefully they can figure something out for SummerSlam so he can get in the win column. I know wins and losses don't matter much in WWE but still, I'm just a Sting mark lol</font>

[Wishbone]

Good job not understanding where the argument stemmed from and trying to make a comment.

You're trying to compare the Hogan debacle to what happened tonight all the while making comments like "WWE is trying to be ROH this time of year". You're clearly bitter that all your bravado from the last couple months since Roman won the rumble have been completely rendered null and void. Just come to terms with the fact that you were wrong and always will be. :p

[slik]

Great show

Enjoyed the hell out of it, that ending was incredible.

[Theo Dious]

What's to stop any champion doing that to a challenger before any match?

Same thing that stops any given champion from opening any given title defense with a chair shot.

[RVDmark]

Hopefully it works out as well as it did last year. lol

Seth Rollins vs Kane incoming.

[Wishbone]

Hopefully it works out as well as it did last year. lol

Wishing injury on a performer? That's awful, fan. How can you be so cruel? :'(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit they just showed the main event ending on SportsCenter. Just seemed surreal to see it covered like a real sport.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

You're trying to compare the Hogan debacle to what happened tonight all the while making comments like "WWE is trying to be ROH this time of year". You're clearly bitter that all your bravado from the last couple months since Roman won the rumble have been completely rendered null and void. Just come to terms with the fact that you were wrong and always will be. :p

Sum up the stuff I've said about Roman Reigns. Go ahead.

[rockman725]

For those who can't quite grasp the concept of the MITB briefcase (because that's what it is), it's very simple. The briefcase holder has the right to cash it in (trade it in) at any time on whatever champion he so pleases (now down to 1 champion these days). The legitimacy of a fair 1-on-1 match never existed since Edge first cashed in his briefcase. Are you trying to tell me that creating a championship match against a bloody and mangled John Cena at the end of PPV is just as legitimate as if Edge had said "I will cash-in my MITB briefcase after your Elimination Chamber match" before it started? I don't think so. Therefore, it is perfectly logical for a MITB cash-in to occur during a match to turn it into another type of match which changes the rules. I honestly was surprised after all of these years it took THIS LONG to FINALLY do it.

A 1-on-1 championship match became a Triple Threat championship match. No harm, no foul.

[OssMan]

I dont really know what y'all are arguing about but "any time, anywhere" makes no sense because the wwe champion wasn't even at most of the raw or smackdown shows, so if the guy wanted to do it on one of those, what would happen

[#1-norm-fan]

Wishing injury on a performer? That's awful, fan. How can you be so cruel? :'(

It could be worse. I could have said hopefully it turns out as well as it did with Benoit.

[Droford]

Seth Rollins vs Kane incoming.

I was thinking Orton can finally get his title shot from last year

[OssMan]

Y doesn't anyone care about the pyro... it was so fucking bad

[road doggy dogg]

It's been too long since they had a decent tournament. They could do so now. Usually they blow it on a one-night "beat the clock" series.

At this point a 2-round number one contender tournament could feature the following as a PPV main event:

Reigns (Screwed by Rollins)
Lesnar (Lost the title without being beaten)
Orton (Beat Rollins at Wrestlemania)
Big Show (Won Andre trophy & friends with authority)

I'm sure you could fill it out with some other people if you wanted to but these are the guys who could make a claim based on WM accomplishments or sleights against them. Or else, throw Rusev in it and a sixth guy (Kane maybe as another authority guy) and have an Elimination Chamber match since the PPV got dropped.

That's true and it could work. I just wanna see where they go from here with at least two or three good feuds lined up before going nuts with multi man tourney stuff

Ugh mobile posting sucks

[James Steele]

Leave #1-WWF-fan alone! Go annoy Ronic's worthless unredeemable soul.

[Theo Dious]

I dont really know what y'all are arguing about but "any time, anywhere" makes no sense because the wwe champion wasn't even at most of the raw or smackdown shows, so if the guy wanted to do it on one of those, what would happen

At this point I'm going to consider you a 1/10th wit. I may have to revise this downwards.

[Wishbone]

Sum up the stuff I've said about Roman Reigns. Go ahead.

Oh, I'm not claiming you sung his praise. You clearly didn't think he was any more ready than the rest of us. You did however make it a point to laugh at everyone who was disappointed when Bryan didn't win and state how WWE was making the smart business choice. Looks like even Vince disagreed with you this time, bub. :lol:

[Wishbone]

It could be worse. I could have said hopefully it turns out as well as it did with Benoit.

Le gasp! You fiend! :eek:

[RaginRonic]

For those who can't quite grasp the concept of the MITB briefcase (because that's what it is), it's very simple. The briefcase holder has the right to cash it in (trade it in) at any time on whatever champion he so pleases (now down to 1 champion these days). The legitimacy of a fair 1-on-1 match never existed since Edge first cashed in his briefcase. Are you trying to tell me that creating a championship match against a bloody and mangled John Cena at the end of PPV is just as legitimate as if Edge had said "I will cash-in my MITB briefcase after your Elimination Chamber match" before it started? I don't think so. Therefore, it is perfectly logical for a MITB cash-in to occur during a match to turn it into another type of match which changes the rules. I honestly was surprised after all of these years it took THIS LONG to FINALLY do it.

A 1-on-1 championship match became a Triple Threat championship match. No harm, no foul.

Yeah...on what I call a Jump-In Cash-Out. That's the wording for it. I'd much rather ALL MITB briefcase winners be forced to do a full 20 minute match to EARN the belt. Strong emphasis on EARN.

Doing the Jump-In Cash-Out only sets you up, if you bag your 1st World Title, to a title loss within 2-3 months anyway. Rollins won't be champion too long, so why bother with a Jump-In Cash-Out?

Oh...another explanation...Cash-Out, in financial terms, means you cash out a check(qe) to get the amount of money listed on it.

So, yeah...Jump-In Cash-Out....makes sense to use ONLY that term for something like what happened tonight.

[Theo Dious]

That's true and it could work. I just wanna see where they go from here with at least two or three good feuds lined up before going nuts with multi man tourney stuff

Ugh mobile posting sucks

I hope they're smart about it; Lesnar probably won't be back until SummerSlam so he'll either get his rematch or a match for contendership there. Rollins is going to be protected by the authority so I doubt that usual "rematch clause" rules will apply. Orton and Reigns will both vie for their deserved title shots and probably be pitted against each other. With the supposed plans to focus on building prestige for the midcard titles (which would seemingly be given credibility by the idea that both are now held by former multi-time world champions) Cena will be away from the World title picture for a while, which suits me fine.

[James Steele]

The MITB case is an inherently heel plot device. Edge and Seth Rollins had them used for them perfectly.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh, I'm not claiming you sung his praise. You clearly didn't think he was any more ready than the rest of us. You did however make it a point to laugh at everyone who was disappointed when Bryan didn't win and state how WWE was making the smart business choice. Looks like even Vince disagreed with you this time, bub. :lol:

Vince sold the PPV on Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar instead of *insert vanilla midget here* vs Brock Lesnar. I'd still say that was the better business move. And when people don't tune in to see some generic guy with a slight lisp wearing leather pants and a streak in his hair named "Seth" main eventing shows, they'll take the title off of him, put him in the opening match next year and keep trying.

[Theo Dious]

Also I wanna see J&J accompanying Rollins to the ring for his celebration in neckbraces tomorrow night in the time-honored tradition of lackeys who take bullets.

[Wishbone]

Vince sold the PPV on Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar instead of *insert vanilla midget here* vs Brock Lesnar. I'd still say that was the better business move.

And yet he didn't have the grapefruits to commit.

[Theo Dious]

The MITB case is an inherently heel plot device. Edge and Seth Rollins had them used for them perfectly.

Hell it even turned Punk heel.

[RaginRonic]

Leave #1-WWF-fan alone! Go annoy Ronic's worthless unredeemable soul.

Sorry, James, but in that war, it was everyone who cheers H, who drew the first blood, giving people like me, who don't like him building his career over Owen Hart's corpse, ETERNAL carte-blanche to do what we want, and say what we want, against him.

Meaning, YOU don't get to control the narrative of what the mainstream fans would think about that. We do.

So..yeah. Go snort some cocaine and kerosene fumes, and sit the fuck down. Cause we don't need your power-grabby nature around here.

> : - (

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vince sold the PPV on Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar instead of *insert vanilla midget here* vs Brock Lesnar. I'd still say that was the better business move. And when people don't tune in to see some generic guy with a slight lisp wearing leather pants and a streak in his hair named "Seth" main eventing shows, they'll take the title off of him, put him in the opening match next year and keep trying.

Jeez, you're a negative nelly.

[Wishbone]

Vince sold the PPV on Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar instead of *insert vanilla midget here* vs Brock Lesnar. I'd still say that was the better business move. And when people don't tune in to see some generic guy with a slight lisp wearing leather pants and a streak in his hair named "Seth" main eventing shows, they'll take the title off of him, put him in the opening match next year and keep trying.

And then Vince will buckle again and we'll be doing this same song and dance again next year. :p

[Bad News Gertner]

Ronic, who do you think will win the Stanley Cup

[#1-norm-fan]

And yet he didn't have the grapefruits to commit.

Yes he did. He sold the PPV on Reigns vs Lesnar as the main event. He literally did exactly that. Read.

[Wishbone]

Hell it even turned Punk heel.

The MITB briefcase is like the one ring?

[Wishbone]

Yes he did. He sold the PPV on Reigns vs Lesnar as the main event. He literally did exactly that. Read.

Lol you're just gonna keep running in circles 'til you tucker yourself out, aren't you? :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

Jeez, you're a negative nelly.

lol I'm being realistic. There's a reason ROH is what it is.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Who was the hottie in the Neon Green shirt in the front row center?

[Emperor Smeat]

The MITB case is an inherently heel plot device. Edge and Seth Rollins had them used for them perfectly.

Yeup and when a face (Cena) decided to cash in, he gave the heads up notice.

Wouldn't make sense for a heel to give up that advantage unless he was completely built like Bo Dallas in terms of delusional arrogance.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol you're just gonna keep running in circles 'til you tucker yourself out, aren't you? :rofl:

"He sold the PPV on Reigns vs Lesnar"

"He didn't commit"

"Yes he did. He literally sold the PPV on Reigns vs Lesnar. He put them in the main event and committed to that being the match that sells the show."

"lol You're running in circles."

I mean... come on. If you're trying to troll, you're not even doing that well. You've still gotta try to make a point to continue the conversation. lol

[Wishbone]

lol I'm being realistic. There's a reason ROH is what it is.

ROH is what it is because WWE has a monopoly on pro-wrestling. No one's ever gonna take another wrestling promotion seriously no matter what they do. Money = power and WWE has both in spades.

Keep pretending it's because they're all Flippy McKickpads though. I'm sure TNA during their "lets copy WWE's every move" phase did amazingly well... Oh, wait... no it didn't...

[Theo Dious]

Yeup and when a face (Cena) decided to cash in, he gave the heads up notice.

Wouldn't make sense for a heel to give up that advantage unless he was completely built like Bo Dallas in terms of delusional arrogance.

Yeah, and consider that "I'll be cashing in at Wrestlemania NO IMA DO IT NOW WHILE MARK HENRY IS DEAD" is what launched Bryan down the heel path.

[Theo Dious]

Flippy McKickpads

I am not gay but this is so goddamn funny that I feel obligated to offer to suck your cock off right now.

[Droford]

Yeup and when a face (Cena) decided to cash in, he gave the heads up notice.

Wouldn't make sense for a heel to give up that advantage unless he was completely built like Bo Dallas in terms of delusional arrogance.

So did RVD

[Theo Dious]

Who was the hottie in the Neon Green shirt in the front row center?

Lana's mom.

[Bad News Gertner]

Although #1wwf-fan is being pretty ridiculous tonight, he's right that the ppv was sold on lesnar vs reigns. Rollins winning doesn't change.
It's like saying Ronda Roussay sold the ppv.

[Heyman]

Wow - So I watched the PPV at the theater tonight and I was thoroughly impressed. Absolutely great show! I did not see this one coming at all.


Roman Reigns "sold" me tonight. As both an entertainer and a wrestler. I had my doubts about the guy like most did, but I was really impressed by him.


The Ladder match was off the hook, as was Rollins/Orton. Absolutely great spot. Cena/Rusev exceeded my expectations, and it looks like Lana could be turning face. Triple H/Sting with added in DX vs. nWo was an extremely pleasant surprise. Absolutely loved the Triple H/Steph/Rock/Rousey skit as well.


My only mild disappointment was Bray not going over Taker, but I understand the WWE's decision and actually think it was the right call. Hopefully, Bray calls out Taker and goes over him at Summerslam.......ending Taker's career and going over big time.


Lesnar, Reigns, and Rollins all went over huge in the main-event. Lesnar legitimately looked like a beast in there (even I went full markdom and 'winced' every time he suplexed Reigns), and Reigns played the never-say-die underdog role exceptionally well..........and Rollins of course, played the chicken shit heel to perfection (i.e. cashing in when both Reigns and Lesnar were down).


Triple H's entrance was weird, but cool, and the backstage skit with Bryan, Flair, Steamboat, Hart, Patterson, and Simmons was gold.




I can't remember the last time I was this entertained by a PPV. Wrestlemania 18 might've been the last time, but this was definitely one of the best Wrestlemania's that I've ever seen.


9.3 / 10.

[Wishbone]

"He sold the PPV on Reigns vs Lesnar"

"He didn't commit"

"Yes he did. He literally sold the PPV on Reigns vs Lesnar. He put them in the main event and committed to that being the match that sells the show."

"lol You're running in circles."

I mean... come on. If you're trying to troll, you're not even doing that well.

And then his self proclaimed future of the business didn't win because he caved to the fans again. Keep spinning things around so you can still sleep well tonight though, friend.

[Shadrick]

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[XL]

Who was the hottie in the Neon Green shirt in the front row center?

Her name is Tina. She's from Michigan.

[#1-norm-fan]

Although #1wwf-fan is being pretty ridiculous tonight, he's right that the ppv was sold on lesnar vs reigns. Rollins winning doesn't change.

Yes. Even at my most ridiculous, you fail, Wishbone.

[Shadrick]

And then his self proclaimed future of the business didn't win because he caved to the fans again. Keep spinning things around so you can still sleep well tonight though, friend.

You feel like Rollins winning was him caving to the fans?

[Bad News Gertner]

Rollins winning opens up WAY more storylines than Reigns or Lesnar winning.

There's so many feuds that can be spun off from this

[Droford]

Last year's wm was better

[#1-norm-fan]

You feel like Rollins winning was him caving to the fans?

If he was caving to the fans, he would have put Bryan in the match.

[Heyman]

Although #1wwf-fan is being pretty ridiculous tonight, he's right that the ppv was sold on lesnar vs reigns. Rollins winning doesn't change.
It's like saying Ronda Roussay sold the ppv.







I'm not fully aware of #1wwf-fan's comments, but our entire theater marked the fuck out when Rollins' music hit, and marked out when Rollins won.


To me though, Reigns really established himself tonight, and I hope this has a long term effect in terms of crowd reactions. I was very impressed with Reigns and both an entertainer and performer. The *real* Heyman (Paul) wasn't fucking around when he told the smarks that Reigns was deserving of this opportunity.


All in all, the WWE hit a major homerun tonight, and I hope they can build on this further.


So glad Lesnar is here to stay.

[#1-norm-fan]

Rollins winning opens up WAY more storylines than Reigns or Lesnar winning.

There's so many feuds that can be spun off from this

There are.

Unfortunately they all involve Seth Rollins as a world champion.

[Theo Dious]

You feel like Rollins winning was him caving to the fans?

It was making something out of a situation they shouldn't have been stupid enough to get themselves into. The Reigns-Lesnar match went down but a win for either of them would have been a meh ending to too many people. Handing it to Rollins via an established gimmick saved Lesnar from being legitimately beaten and saved Reighs from crashing to the ground. Lesnar was robbed, Reigns was screwed, Rollins is now the biggest heel in WWE.

[Theo Dious]

There are.

Unfortunately they all involve Seth Rollins as a world champion.

Right and everyone but you is the one who's butthurt over who won or lost.

[Wishbone]

Yes. Even at my most ridiculous, you fail, Wishbone.

Oh no! Gertner disagrees with me for the one millionth time! What ever shall I do? :'( ... Oh, wait, I've never cared about his opinion... Never mind I'll be fine. :D

[Shadrick]

If he was caving to the fans, he would have put Bryan in the match.

Yeah thats what I'm thinking. I don't think there was a clamoring for Rollins to win the title from the general fans.

Maybe he's saying Vince caved by not allowing Roman go over clean, but I don't know if that's caving as much as it is realizing that if you want a guy to be a mainstay in the company, and he obviously needs more time to position himself, then give him that, and allow a transitional guy to have a run.

[Heyman]

Last year's wm was better


I respectfully disagree. Last year's Mania was pretty good, but I personally was more entertained by this year's Mania.

[Shadrick]

It was making something out of a situation they shouldn't have been stupid enough to get themselves into. The Reigns-Lesnar match went down but a win for either of them would have been a meh ending to too many people. Handing it to Rollins via an established gimmick saved Lesnar from being legitimately beaten and saved Reighs from crashing to the ground. Lesnar was robbed, Reigns was screwed, Rollins is now the biggest heel in WWE.

Ahh, okay I feel that.

[Vastardikai]

I'll try to go over what I remember...


Tag Match was solid, well what I saw, anyway. There was a LOT of issues from the Network on my end. They wrote off the Uso very well. Also, the finish was brilliant. I don't get why they don't do more with Cesaro.
Battle Royal was cool. I liked Mizdow's face turn. Well played out. One thing I didn't like was Big Show winning. Way to push the youth movement, WWE.
Who was that Lanolin Grey dude?
Ladder match was ok, but I'm really not big on the spottiness of it. Also, the headbutt-a-thon was kind of ludicrous at the end. But the right guy won. Also, why isn't Harper higher up on the card? Seriously.
Orton vs. Rollins was a decent match. It was much more balanced than I expected. The finish was cool, but I hated the delay between the finish and the pin. Glad to see that spry new-comer Randy Orton go over the established veteran Seth Rollins. I'll discuss this a bit more in a bit.
Sting vs. HHH met expectations. It went on too long, was overbooked, Triple H blew up first, and he won. If anyone goes back to watch it, though. I strong recommend you do so on mute. You clearly heard Vince through all three of them. All I could think of during the entrance for Sting was "You know that Great Muta was a different guy, right?" And Triple H's entrance topped the Conan the Barbarian entrance for most ridiculous thing he ever did.
All I could think of during the musical performance was "And the Tag Match was pushed to the pre-show because...?"
Cena vs. Rusev met expectations as well. I loved Rusev's entrance. It was insanely awesome. But of course, Cena won. I think the only thing worse was how he won. Rusev is more or less dead at this point. Stick a fork in him, he is done.
It's insanely rare when Stephanie gets her comeuppance. Far too rare, if you ask me. And huge props to WWE for getting someone when they are at their most relevant for a change.
Taker vs. Wyatt was better than I thought. Taker did quite well for himself, though he looked really skinny. Of course he went over though, because we don't want to create new stars.
The Main Event was an intense spectacle. I thought halfway through the Reigns' strategy was going to be to rope-a-dope Lesnar into wearing himself out and then take advantage. That said, Rollins' cash in was PERFECT. I wasn't as pissed about Orton going over after that. Because it sets him up until, if they play their cards right, at least Summerslam. One day Reigns will be the guy. But Rollins' moment is now.

[#1-norm-fan]

Right and everyone but you is the one who's butthurt over who won or lost.

Have you been off of the internet in the last hour or so to test this theory out or are you assuming all wrestling fans are represented here?

Because if they were, John Cena would have been future endeavored like 8 years ago.

[Sepholio]

Good god almighty that whole show was quite the impressive turn of events.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://giant.gfycat.com/InsidiousOffensiveDog.gif

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh no! Gertner disagrees with me for the one millionth time! What ever shall I do? :'( ... Oh, wait, I've never cared about his opinion... Never mind I'll be fine. :D

Lol oh yes you do.

[Heyman]

It was making something out of a situation they shouldn't have been stupid enough to get themselves into. The Reigns-Lesnar match went down but a win for either of them would have been a meh ending to too many people. Handing it to Rollins via an established gimmick saved Lesnar from being legitimately beaten and saved Reighs from crashing to the ground. Lesnar was robbed, Reigns was screwed, Rollins is now the biggest heel in WWE.


I agree with this 1000% percent.


All three men went over huge tonight. Lesnar still looks a major near unbeatable bad-ass, while Reigns showed that he had a lot of heart. The guy flat out sold me as a performer and entertainer tonight. And Rollins of course, played the chicken shit heel to perfection.

[Wishbone]

You feel like Rollins winning was him caving to the fans?

It wasn't him giving the fans exactly what they wanted, no. It was however him caving at the last minute and realizing he'd made a terrible mistake and doing his damnedest to right the ship at the last possible moment.

[parkmania]

Seriously, Cena winning the US Title only makes sense if Lesnar wins and takes off til Summerslam

It also makes sense because smarks assume that because Cena and Bryan win it's an auto-win for Lesnar.

SWERVED!

[Theo Dious]

Have you been off of the internet in the last hour or so to test this theory out or are you assuming all wrestling fans are represented here?

No I'm referring to you accusing multiple people in this thread of having partisan opinions and denying that you do.

I know it's way past your bedtime but try to keep up.

It's a few minutes past mine so I'm off to bed. :wave:

GNITE ALL YOUS QUEERS!

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh no! Gertner disagrees with me for the one millionth time! What ever shall I do?

I vote you stop being a ridiculous person.

[Wishbone]

Lol oh yes you do.

You're right... I'm sorry Gerty, can you ever forgive me? :(

[Bad News Gertner]

It wasn't him giving the fans exactly what they wanted, no. It was however him caving at the last minute and realizing he'd made a terrible mistake and doing his damnedest to right the ship at the last possible moment.

And you're basing that off what exactly?

[#1-norm-fan]

No I'm referring to you accusing multiple people in this thread of having partisan opinions and denying that you do.

Holy fuck, half this thread has been me expressing a partisan opinion. lol You're really having trouble comprehending shit right now. I don't like Seth Rollins.

... Actually, I don't mind him per se. He's good in a certain spot. I just don't like him in the position he's in and find him to be so far from world champion material it's silly.

ON TOP OF THAT, my other point was that anyone who still complains about the ending of WrestleMania 9 and is perfectly fine with this and claims "logic" as their reasoning should stop trying to claim logic and just admit it comes down to the preference for the guy who won and who "got shafted". Basically I'm doing exactly that. Rollins winning was dumb because he's Seth Rollins. That's it.

[Wishbone]

I vote you stop being a ridiculous person.

I vote you stop being a ridiculous person. Unfortunately this is 'Merica where individuals' votes don't actually make a different. :-\

[Bad News Gertner]

You're right... I'm sorry Gerty, can you ever forgive me? :(

You once compared me to Hitler in a thread that I hadn't even posted, nor was my name mentioned previously.

But my posting has no effect on you whatsoever

[Shadrick]

It wasn't him giving the fans exactly what they wanted, no. It was however him caving at the last minute and realizing he'd made a terrible mistake and doing his damnedest to right the ship at the last possible moment.

Do you think theres a chance that his thought process may be a little different than you're presuming? Like, maybe he doesn't feel like he "made a terrible mistake" and needs to "right the ship." Maybe this was the plan from the beginning.

Then again, that would mean "foresight" and I'm not gonna give WWE that much credit.

Caving just kinda implies he's "admitting to a fuck up" when in actuality, he may not think like this at all.

[Wishbone]

And you're basing that off what exactly?

Lol the plan has been Reigns being christened at WM for months now. Pull your head out of your bum.

[Heyman]

is RVD still employed by WWE

serious question





Not currently if I understand correctly, but the doors are always open for him. I think he has a similar with the WWE to that of Chris Jericho, in that, he can come back anytime and work 'x' number of dates/months before taking another sabbatical.

[Heyman]

Jeez, you're a negative nelly.



Yeah no kidding eh?


Some guys can never be happy.


The show tonight delivered on so many levels.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol the plan has been Reigns being christened at WM for months now. Pull your head out of your bum.

Wasn't aware that I was talking to Pat Patterson here. What was it like attending all those booking meetings heading up to Wrestlemania?

[Shadrick]

Lol the plan has been Reigns being christened at WM for months now. Pull your head out of your bum.

Not coming at you at all, but how do you know this? The set up, for the fans to see, was Reigns to win the title at Mania. But how do we know that was the PLAN from the jump? Dirtsheets?

[Wishbone]

You once compared me to Hitler in a thread that I hadn't even posted, nor was my name mentioned previously.

But my posting has no effect on you whatsoever

Not really sure calling you Hitler in a thread from ages ago counts as caring what you think. Pretty sure I've never cared what Hitler thought either. Of course I do retract my Hitler comparison. You're not Hitler. You're more like a slightly agitated muppet or one of those yappy little dogs women put in their purse. :p

[Wishbone]

Not coming at you at all, but how do you know this? The set up, for the fans to see, was Reigns to win the title at Mania. But how do we know that was the PLAN from the jump? Dirtsheets?

Ok, ok, I'll give you and Gerty a bone here. Yes, it's possible that this was the plan all along. It's also possible that there are sea monsters at the bottom of the ocean and aliens in Area 51. Doesn't mean those things are likely or even probable.

[Heyman]

Rusev is more or less dead at this point. Stick a fork in him, he is done.

Pretty solid analysis V, but I strongly disagree with the above. One thing the WWE has done extremely well with Rusev, is in building him up slowly. Rusev is an amazing talent, and I think he's got a bright future ahead of him. The WWE seem to be teasing a Rusev/Lana and I think this will further add to Rusev's heeldom.

Having said all that, I'm almost as down on Wyatt as you are with Rusev. Wyatt seems to have stagnated a bit and I hope the WWE's long term plan is to have Wyatt ultimately end Taker's career.

[Bad News Gertner]

You seem to care what I think as you make it a point to interact with me in every thread you post it. Do you masterbate to thoughts of being wrong or something?

[Shadrick]

Ok, ok, I'll give you and Gerty a bone here. Yes, it's possible that this was the plan all along. It's also possible that there are sea monsters at the bottom of the ocean and aliens in Area 51. Doesn't mean those things are likely or even probable.

You were just saying definitively "the plan was xyz" and then when we ask how do you know, you sorta back peddled in a round about way. im not saying that this was the plan all along. and im not saying it wasn't. i was just asking how YOU knew and what you were basing it off of, which apparently is dirtsheets/assumption, thats all. i still love you wish, i was just asking a question.

[Jazzy Foot]

die sting haters die

[Wishbone]

You seem to care what I think as you make it a point to interact with me in every thread you post it. Do you masterbate to thoughts of being wrong or something?

Pretty sure this is the first time I've interacted with you in months if not a year. Anyway as fun as it's been I really don't want to overdo my Gerty exposure in one sitting. Too much of a good thing and all that.

[Dark One]

How the fuck has the thread for probably the most OVERPERFORMING Wrestlemania ever turned into this?

I feel like I'm listening to Raw's commentary right now.

[#1-norm-fan]

You seem to care what I think as you make it a point to interact with me in every thread you post it. Do you masterbate to thoughts of being wrong or something?

If he does, he has to be pretty raw by now.

[Wishbone]

You were just saying definitively "the plan was xyz" and then when we ask how do you know, you sorta back peddled in a round about way. im not saying that this was the plan all along. and im not saying it wasn't. i was just asking how YOU knew and what you were basing it off of, which apparently is dirtsheets/assumption, thats all. i still love you wish, i was just asking a question.

Nah, it's cool, man. This is all in good fun for me. Wrestling forum and wrestling as a whole haven't been "serious business" for me in a long while now. Honestly I'm more just here to take the piss out of people like fan. Didn't even catch but the last hour of the PPV.

[KIRA]

if Undertaker really wanted to nail his entrance he would MAKE it dark there

supernatural my ass :n:

If this had taken place where I am now
it actually would've gone dark just a bit before his match started and even better it's now raining lots of lighting and thunder it would've been unreal

[Shadrick]

Nah, it's cool, man. This is all in good fun for me. Wrestling forum and wrestling as a whole haven't been "serious business" for me in a long while now. Honestly I'm more just here to take the piss out of people like fan. Didn't even catch but the last hour of the PPV.

I used to enjoy that too, then I turned face and Fan and I have been bff's ever since. Our love for Fandango has brought us together. We're practically married. I was #3wwf-fan up until tonight on my custom title.

[Dark One]

http://giant.gfycat.com/TautPleasedDorado.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, Shadrick seems like good people now. Be like him, dick.

[Arashi Kage]

I wasn't following Wrestlemania (don't watch wrestling anymore) but I saw a picture of Hogan / Hall / Nash on imgur, and immediately marked out.

Headed to youtube and found the Triple H vs Sting match in super low resolution quality. Just finished watching it. Weak ending, but loved seeing Hogan, Hall, and Nash. I would have lost my mind with nostalgic joy if Scott Hall had actually landed the Razor's Edge.

This match was the perfect epitaph to mark the end of TPWW as we know it. We basically got a match 15 years in the making, which takes us back to the halcyon era of the Monday Night Wars and the birth of TPWW.

nWo 4 life!

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edit: I should clarity my statement about not watching wrestling anymore. More accurately, I don't watch the current product. I do still enjoy watching my era of wrestling - 80's to early 90's WWF and late 90's WCW on youtube or netflix. Beautiful memories.

[Wishbone]

I used to enjoy that too, then I turned face and Fan and I have been bff's ever since. Our love for Fandango has brought us together. We're practically married. I was #3wwf-fan up until tonight on my custom title.

Figure I got a bit more left in the heel gimmick's gas tank. Especially since I'm working the Lesnar schedule and only appear here occasionally. Besides if I'm gonna turn face it's gotta be big. Maybe for my 3000th post or something.

[Wishbone]

Yeah, Shadrick seems like good people now. Be like him, dick.

But it's way more fun being a "dick"... :-\

[Vastardikai]

Pretty solid analysis V, but I strongly disagree with the above. One thing the WWE has done extremely well with Rusev, is in building him up slowly. Rusev is an amazing talent, and I think he's got a bright future ahead of him. The WWE seem to be teasing a Rusev/Lana and I think this will further add to Rusev's heeldom.

Having said all that, I'm almost as down on Wyatt as you are with Rusev. Wyatt seems to have stagnated a bit and I hope the WWE's long term plan is to have Wyatt ultimately end Taker's career.

I don't think so. I feel like Cena more or less killed the Accolade, no sold Lana ENTIRELY (I felt like the thrown shoe should have been a bit more of a distraction), and made Rusev look bad in the process.

Wyatt is in a rough state right now. If it was me, the match would have been last year, when the Family was still together. During the build, Taker says something to the effect of "The man who has the power to beat me is standing in that ring." Everyone thinks they're talking about Wyatt. During the match itself, the Family gets involved, Rowan gets taken out, and there's an intense stare down between Taker and Harper, This leads to a near fall for Wyatt.

In the end, Taker won, but we see a development in Harper's character from then on. It starts very subtle, with Harper starting to do the eye roll, but no one really catches it, thinking he's just being nuts as usual. During a big match at Summerslam, he's hit with something that should beat him. There's a bit of a stall from the opponent, he staggers to his opponent, and Harper sits up. There is an eventual split with Wyatt and Harper debuts a new move to his arsenal during their match at Survivor Series: A chokeslam.

It builds up to Harper vs. Taker this year, and it is Harper who ends the streak. From that point on, Harper is the new phenom, not unlike how 'Taker became the phenom after Superfly.

But that's a bridge that was already crossed. Sorry for the accidental Noid post.

[#1-norm-fan]

Looking back now, Bryan and Cena winning the US and IC Title doesn't make as much sense. Having them around as champions while the World Title wasn't there meant you could have major title matches on PPV still. Now there's just a weird situation where the IC and US champion are WAY more over than the World Champion.

[Droford]

I'm debating calling busted open and complaining about the show. Everyone's been overwhelmingly positive

[Asmo]

Thoroughly enjoyed this Mania. The pacing was superb right from the start, and all the bouts had at least a 'moment' to remember them by.

Of course, hindsight is 20-20, but i genuinely think the biggest benefactor of CM Punk's departure has been Seth Rollins. The crowd would have shat on a Reigns victory, although a lot of us were expecting a Heyman turn to facilitate that.

The Rollins idea had been talked about, even by Heyman in a promo. But the end result was brilliantly planned and executed. What's next? I'm curious. Good job WWE!

[Simple Fan]

Rollins is way over as a heel.

[Lock Jaw]

Not as good as last year, but turned out to be a solid Mania.

Best match was probably Cena/Rusev..... Orton/Rollins also pretty good, especially Rollins Super Marioing himself into an RKO.

[Lock Jaw]

Didn't see them actually doing the cash in, but I'm just glad Roman isn't the champ.

[Lock Jaw]

Watched with some chick who isn't really a wrestling fan. I think she got most into the Cena/Rusev match because of how hard hitting and agile Rusev is.... and into the Lesnar match because of how much of a beast Lesnar looked like and how they were legit hitting each other.