ROH on COMET (and TNA on pop)

[Simple Fan]

Every thing you said makes no sense because you simply haven't watched. Moose came in as Bennets heavy but you could always tell there was tention when Bennet would spout off about Moose doing what he wants. Moose eventuall had enough and attacked Bennet. Set up Moose vs Bennett at Bound for Glory. Lashley has been heel for a while as well. Matt turned face partly because people like the gimmick and they were feuding with Decay. To say that heel/Face turns are happening every other week just isn't true. As for the Grand Championship tournament its pretty simple and I'm not sure how people are confused about it. Regular match broken down into three rounds basically. Not a huge fan of it but they tried, I hope the nix it after the tournament.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Moose came in really recently didn't he? I don't get this "he's a bad guy, now he's a good guy" before you even really get the sense of who someone is. It's all very convoluted. It would suck in a movie too. It's just not good storytelling by any metric. Where's the suspense? Where's the built tension? It's like BOOM, SPLAT, POW! Slow down and tell a fucking story.

Lashley returned to TNA as a babyface on March 19, 2014. On May 15 he turned heel. There's one. On January 16, 2015, Lashley turns face when the BDC betrays him. That's two. On March 8, 2016, Lashley again turns heel when he keeps beating down Kurt Angle. That's three. He turned three times within a two year period. That may not be Bella fast, but it's Big Show fast. Where is the stability? Where is the development?

Feuding with The Decay is not a good enough reason to turn a "fresh" heel character face, I'm sorry. You should have babyface teams lined up to feed to them, or whatever. The fans turning him is fair enough, because sometimes you do have to listen to the fans, but a better idea would be not running the gimmick in the first place, because you're going to have the neckbeards eat it up and then you're left with your nuts in the breeze because you've got this character that alienates fans of actual wrestling.

You might get the Grand Championship rules, but you seem like a pretty avid consumer of whatever TNA throws out. Don't you think people being confused by it is evidence enough that it's confusing?

The whole "you don't watch every week, therefore you can't possibly know how bad it truly is," argument is a straw-man. I can tell you that I do read up on TNA, and I can absolutely tell you why it doesn't appeal to me. It's not my job to continuously give chances to a show that makes itself so...ugly. And I'm entirely an expert on what I like to see in pro-wrestling. It's TNA's job to be good if it wants me to watch it more often and not get confused by the confusing shit it does that breaks all the rules of logic that have worked in wrestling for years and years.

God, I wish TNA would just try professional wrestling again. I got excited when they put the X-Division Title on Eddie Edwards. I thought "Hey, they're going to go with a wrestler wrestling again." They then had Bobby Lashley throw down the belt and now it's held by a DJ. Fucking wonderful, TNA. And no, I'm not going to actually watch that, because it sounds fucking shit.

[mike adamle]

Moose came in really recently didn't he? I don't get this "he's a bad guy, now he's a good guy" before you even really get the sense of who someone is. It's all very convoluted. It would suck in a movie too. It's just not good storytelling by any metric. Where's the suspense? Where's the built tension? It's like BOOM, SPLAT, POW! Slow down and tell a fucking story.

Lashley returned to TNA as a babyface on March 19, 2014. On May 15 he turned heel. There's one. On January 16, 2015, Lashley turns face when the BDC betrays him. That's two. On March 8, 2016, Lashley again turns heel when he keeps beating down Kurt Angle. That's three. He turned three times within a two year period. That may not be Bella fast, but it's Big Show fast. Where is the stability? Where is the development?

Feuding with The Decay is not a good enough reason to turn a "fresh" heel character face, I'm sorry. You should have babyface teams lined up to feed to them, or whatever. The fans turning him is fair enough, because sometimes you do have to listen to the fans, but a better idea would be not running the gimmick in the first place, because you're going to have the neckbeards eat it up and then you're left with your nuts in the breeze because you've got this character that alienates fans of actual wrestling.

You might get the Grand Championship rules, but you seem like a pretty avid consumer of whatever TNA throws out. Don't you think people being confused by it is evidence enough that it's confusing?

The whole "you don't watch every week, therefore you can't possibly know how bad it truly is," argument is a straw-man. I can tell you that I do read up on TNA, and I can absolutely tell you why it doesn't appeal to me. It's not my job to continuously give chances to a show that makes itself so...ugly. And I'm entirely an expert on what I like to see in pro-wrestling. It's TNA's job to be good if it wants me to watch it more often and not get confused by the confusing shit it does that breaks all the rules of logic that have worked in wrestling for years and years.

God, I wish TNA would just try professional wrestling again. I got excited when they put the X-Division Title on Eddie Edwards. I thought "Hey, they're going to go with a wrestler wrestling again." They then had Bobby Lashley throw down the belt and now it's held by a DJ. Fucking wonderful, TNA. And no, I'm not going to actually watch that, because it sounds fucking shit.

And I wish you would just watch something before you make yourself look ignorant trying to dissect it. None of what you said makes any sense. Again.

There's an answer for every question you asked if you watched the product.

You claim it's not your job to give a show a chance blah blah blah. And yet you do with WWE. Just stop man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can destruct screenplays of movie, you can dissect books, you can analyze still art work. Why can't you respond to the theory of the story of professional wrestling? You obviously don't believe you can, but I do, so we're always going to be at a stand-still with that. I'll grant you that some things work well in theory and then never work out well, and some things are awful on paper and then work really well. There are definitely intangibles. But let's be honest -- TNA is not lighting the world on fire. I'm sorry, but you're apologists for the product.

I'd like to know what these answers are. Please. Tell me why Lashley throwing the belt on the ground was a good thing. Tell me why these fragmented rounds are good. Tell me why Moose had to come in as a heel just to turn face within a two months, or whatever it was? Why couldn't he just feud with Mike Bennett? You can't. That's why you went blanket "if you don't watch you won't get it." Yeah, if you don't do meth you won't get what is appealing about the lifestyle either. Sell me on TNA by explaining what is actually good in it. I tried watching the "acclaimed" Hardy stuff, and it made me think I should have spent more time studying so I could be a doctor and help people in the third world. That's how much I disassociated.

And, for the record, I DON'T watch WWE every week. In fact, I don't think I watched last week either. Backlash might have been the last thing I watched. Given that I am addicted to professional wrestling, my own problem, I have to get my fix from somewhere. WWE gets far more viewing from me than it arguably should. There are talents in that company that I do have high hopes for. But if there was a WCW-level alternative around, I guarantee you that I'd either be watching that, or that WWE would stop fucking around and start putting on a compelling product that isn't sinking every week.

And, by the way, it's hard to watch Impact Wrestling in Australia since they lost their television deal because they're so fucking awful. So there's that too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

That horn is aimed at me, because I realize I am using logic in a discussion with TNA fans.

[Simple Fan]

Im a wrestling fan but whatvever. Im not defending every aspect of TNA though. There are things in TNA that I dont like. The companty is run like shit. Not a big fan of the Grand Championship format but its not as complicated as people make it out to be. Its wrestling dude face/heel turns happen all the time, its not just a TNA thing. The Moose thing might have been predictable(alot these days is) but it set up Bennett vs Moose for Bound for Glory. I dont care if you dont like the product but when go comparing it to the promotion you dreamed about and shitting on it for things as simple as a turn you didn't see you sound silly. Like I said your one of my favorite poster because I can talk alit of wrestling with you but I honestly believe you are growing out of wrestling since nothing really suits you anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

See, the face/heel turns happening all the time thing is the conditioning to a modern product. They didn't used to happen all the time. Not everything was some big angle, because if every segment was an angle they would stop to matter. This a post-Russo hangover. Everyone has to be doing something, kinetic, hitting someone with something, or changing all the time. Wrestling can be patient, smart and emotionally effective. There is a spot in wrestling for short title reigns, sudden turns, quick turnarounds and changing direction; but there's also a spot for slow-builds, planning, tension, coherence, and sticking to something.

TNA has burnt a lot of bridges with many different fans and many different talents over the years. Its core "identity players" have all left (save for Abyss), and almost all of them have gone on to do bigger and better things. That jades people. And it's not the fault of the on-air talent there or even some of the people behind the scenes right now. It is very easy to see the bad in TNA and overlook the good it is trying to do -- I'll give you that. But it doesn't help itself with some of the shit it throws out there -- it really doesn't.

See, I can watch older things and I still love it. If I were truly outgrowing wrestling, wouldn't I be like "hmm, that was stupid." No, I love wrestling. I just don't like the current trend that everything needs to be bad to be good. Or that because it's fake it doesn't matter what story you tell. Or the excuse that everything is bad justifies things being bad.

I love your posting, man, and I love that you engage with so much, and I'm sorry to be such a downer -- well, I'll rephrase that -- I'm sorry if me being critical of things gets people down -- that's not my cause. But I don't feel much like censoring my opinion because it's easier to stick fingers in ears and go "la-la-la." Debate me, argue with me, prove me wrong -- that's all well and good -- but I'm not going to stop because I also love wrestling; I just hate the shape that it's in.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, maybe I will get bored and stop, who knows? We'll play it by ear.

[Simple Fan]

Ok wrestling out grew you then.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling has seem to have "out-grown" most people, given the current data.

[Simple Fan]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Not working, man. Like TNA's creative direction.

[Simple Fan]

Just took it from the previous page. Don't know what gje problem is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If that's supposed to be Maria's ass, I am outraged at the internet for letting us down.

[Simple Fan]

Fixed it but still don't know what happened.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The gif TNA'd itself.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

DA MELTZ on the TNA sale

"So… We still don’t have a deal. And time is running out. There’s no money to fund this week’s television and PPV. Um, WWE is back in the picture, which is a really interesting thing because with WWE in the picture, it could be over. And, you know, Dixie could sell to whoever she wants to sell too and I guess it’s become very complicated. Billy Corgan talked to ESPN and said, you know, he wanted to buy it but...and he’s got the money to buy it but its a complicated thing.. and he talked like it’s a deal that would take weeks to put together. And they don’t got weeks. They got like…I talked to somebody there and its essentially.. they got until Friday because that’s the last business day before Sunday. They can’t really, you know, get everything to the bank and get the money in and all that and be ready on a Sunday. It’s just not going to work. So they got a couple days to get this deal done.

Billy Corgan has also said that if he buys the company, he is changing the name of the company which, quite frankly, I would do. Just the feeling, it’s a tainted brand name and it’s just better to start with something else. Um, I would like to give it a little facelifting and get it out of Orlando, but, you know, financially, the last time they got out of Orlando, it cost them so much money that it really wasn’t worth it. And you know, they are really high on the Hardy’s thing. But everyday, you know, there’s talks going on, stuff going on and uh there’s not a lot of time.

If they sell to WWE, they are pretty much done. It’s pretty much it. You know, WWE would buy the tape library and um… there’s so much there because one of the complicated things is all the debt. There’s millions of dollars that there in the hole right now. There’s more in the hole than it would cost to buy the company. So, that make’s it real complicated. There's people who might be willing to buy the company. It’s like if Billy or Aerolux, let’s just say one of them buys it. Well, the other one would have to, you know, buy the company from Dixie for whatever it is but they are also going to have to pay the other one, the money that they put in for all those TV’s, not to mention all the other money for god knows what is still owed… wrestlers that might be behind.. whatever.. there’s so much.. its like.. its not an easy deal. Last week, I was talking to somebody from the outside, and my feeling is because the time situation, that's not happening. That deal is not happening in 4 days. With WWE, that's not as difficult because you’re just selling the tape library. With WWE, everyone would lose their job. Well, not everyone. They would take some wrestlers but the company would be done though."

[Simple Fan]

Figured something like this would happen. No way they have enough money to do anything after Bound for Glory. I like that Corbin wants to change the name and all but off WWE is involved then they will probably get a deal done. If so I'd like to see WWE take EC3, Eli Drake, The Wolves, Lashley, Galloway, The Hardy's, Decay, and Gail Kim. Also hope they use the X division in NXT.

[erickman]

maby wwe would keep them as an indy company just buy the library let billy run the company it is better for wwe if tna is still around

[Simple Fan]

They really don't need TNA as NXT is pretty much the same thing as TNA. I could see Corbin taking what was left and starting his own company. Doesn't seem like he has interest in the TNA name since he wants to change it so starting a promotion from scratch would probably suit him more.

[Rollermacka]

It's seems like every few months there's a "TNAs out of money" rumor by the Almighty Meltzer. Just like they were supposedly out of money for Slamaversery, then again for a tv taping a couple weeks ago, now they're supposedly out of money again. I say we just wait and see what happens

[Mr. Nerfect]

How long as Meltz really been sounding the "TNA is in real trouble?" horn though? I've only really read him on it since the loss of Spike, and it has been a real genuine slope into chaos for them since then. There are talent that still claim TNA didn't pay them properly.

Corgan buying it was something I am excited for, but that was until his chief ideas were to throw down existing belts, create new belts with convoluted rules and focus on the backyard stuff with The Hardys. Honestly, WWE buying them would be the most gracious end they could hope for at this point. The "TNA Drinking Games" could find life on the WWE Network. They can produce documentaries on the fall of the company and some of the talent there, and they will no doubt pick up the guys and gals that are really worth something there. I just hope Gail Kim hasn't burnt too many bridges and is willing to go back. :y:

It's hard to have much sympathy for a company that has had so many opportunities, so many incredible performers pass through it, the perfect positioning on a cable network, a PPV deal...and squandered all of it. Everyone in TNA will find work someone else. Maybe it won't be in WWE, because some of them don't fit the WWE philosophy or honestly aren't good in the right ways, but they will all be able to make livings, and hopefully other companies do their best to use that talent correctly and not piss on their own legs.

[Big Vic]

Caught a bit of TNA Last week, that Grand Champ title series seems so dumb.

People have 15 minute matches all the time.

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[Simple Fan]

Caught a bit of TNA Last week, that Grand Champ title series seems so dumb.

People have 15 minute matches all the time.

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They only went 9 minutes on Impact. 5minute rounds would be better though. Need to just scrap the format and just have it be a mid card title. Its a good looking title belt.

[Big Vic]

Was it only 9 minutes on impact? That makes it a bit worse.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah they did 3 minute rounds. Only two of the six matches went the full time as well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

TNA does not need a mid-card title.

[Big Vic]

Lock Jaw just invested a whole bunch of money into TNA, hopefully his experience as Raw GM helps him turn around this company.

[mike adamle]

ROH announced CMLL star Dragon Lee will challenge for the ROH TV Title at Final Battle. KUSHIDA will be in the finals of the 6 Man Tag Tournament, and Kyle O'Reilly will be challenging for the World Title. PLUS the debut of Cody Rhodes. I'm also hopefuly I'll get to see Will Ospreay and/or Marty Scurll. I'll be there in the front row at the Hammerstein. Shaping up to be a good time

[Mr. Nerfect]

I liked Dragon Lee's look. For a dude doing it as short a time as him, I think he's crisp as hell. I didn't like the style I see him work at their last PPV against some guy whose name I've already forgotten. But I think the TV Title scene is a good place for him. Bobby Fish could walk him through a match that draws out genuine emotion.

[mike adamle]

You're probably talking about the Kamaitaichi match. Those guys have history but it was more of a showcase match. I am excited to see what he can do with Fish. I kind of want Lee to pull off the upset and make CMLL a force in ROH.

I might be spoiling this here, but since no one really watches I doubt anyone will care, they're also booking The Young Bucks defending their tag team titles against The Briscoes.

6 Man Tag Title Finals will be ACH, KUSHIDA, & Jay White vs. The winner of The Addiction/Kamaitaichi vs. The New Kingdom. Haven't seen anything from the New Kingdom yet, and I love The Addiction/Kamaitaichi. Hoping they win the whole thing.

[Rollermacka]

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Anybody interested? Yes, the show is pre taped so you can go see who all three members are but does the look, feel, style of this trio intrigue anyone?

[Simple Fan]

Its very similar to the KRD in ROH only they have white mask instead of red. KRD was just to introduce Sabin though so i think they will be more to them. I'll wait to see who they are though. I'm sure they will be DELETED.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Anybody interested? Yes, the show is pre taped so you can go see who all three members are but does the look, feel, style of this trio intrigue anyone?

If one isn't you, Titan, no one cares because it's TNA. :kiss:

[XL]

Big fan of mystery angles. Fully expecting a shitty payoff though.

[mike adamle]

I've always been a pretty big James Storm fan, Eddie Kingston, he can sometimes do a good brawl but I've been very unimpressed by him probably more often than not. Dunno much about Bram. Not expecting much.

[Rollermacka]

If one isn't you, Titan, no one cares because it's TNA. :kiss:

Well.... I am meeting up with my "buddy" EC3 in a couple of weeks when he comes back to Texas. I might have to take him up on that offer to have me come down to Florida and get me in front of the people who matter in TNA :naughty:

[Rollermacka]

James Strom has always been one of my favorites. I honestly think TNA is a much better fit for him than WWE.
Bram is awesome, had all the potential in the world and hopefully he's finally able to actualize that potential
I've always liked Kingston's gimmick and promos.... I've always felt his weakness was his body. Jade was telling me (promise, last time talking about tv stars I'm friends with) that since they moved in together she's got him on a diet, exercising, etc, so he looks great now and TNA is also probably a better fit for him

[Mr. Nerfect]

If there could be three Paul Titans in that group, that would be great. :y:

[Dewidi]

Since one of them isJames srorm, the second is beam, who's the 3rd guy?

[Simple Fan]

The Cabinet seem to be repackaging themselves in ROH. Came out talking about how ROH made them parade around with the silly gimmick. Haven't said what their new name is but they that there is more of them so I guess they'll get some new members. Kind of glad as the Cabinet was shitty and getting stale.

[Rollermacka]

Since one of them isJames srorm, the second is beam, who's the 3rd guy?

Eddie Kingston, popular mid west indie guy (did some stuff in "big name indie shows" like ROH, CZW and Chikara).... who also is dating Jade :-\


This week's TNA was pretty good. I really enjoyed the 4 way dance, that inside out slam on Lashley by Trevor Lee was SICK (that guy his some serious potential). The main event was really enjoyable as well. I liked the EC3 and Eli Drake segment and the whole Jade/ Rosemary thing they got going on (mostly because it's "different")

I personally liked Jessie vs Arron. I liked it because Arron Rex played a really good "old school" style heel. No fancy moves, just a lot of dirty heat to gain sympathy for the face. Jesse is amazing as well, guy is a tremendous athlete and can do some crazy stuff in the ring considering how muscular he is.

The two "bad" things about this show was the women's match and Shera. Brandi is not ready to be in the ring on tv yet.... and I don't understand that because she was in WWE developmental for like 3 years. Shera.... what can I say. I honestly think he's trying real hard and from what everyone tells me he is a really great guy.... there's still some obvious holes in his game and he's been on tv for like 2 years now :-\

[Simple Fan]

The whole Knockouts division has fell off since Maria came in I think. I like Maria but the whole division has revolved around her and she's not the best in ring talent. As for Shera I'm not sure what they could do for him. I personally liked him better as Koya. Really think he should be in the X Division.

[Rollermacka]

The whole Knockouts division has fell off since Maria came in I think. I like Maria but the whole division has revolved around her and she's not the best in ring talent. As for Shera I'm not sure what they could do for him. I personally liked him better as Koya. Really think he should be in the X Division.

I think everyone else in that match was great. Madison has been one of the best overall knockouts for years imo, Sienna is a really good new "powerhouse female" and I'm pleasantly surprised at how good Laura is in the ring.... the definite weak link in the match was Brandi.

As for Shera..... I mean, there's only soo much you can do. It's hard to say, because you even look at someone like Strowman who got pushed into the spotlight really fast because he's got a body and now he is actually putting on solid matches after his year on tv. It's been almost 2 years since Shera has debuted..... and I don't see any real improvement.

[Rollermacka]

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Can't remember if I ever mentioned it.... but I really like Aaron Rex as a heel. He reminds me of an "old school" heel. Not every heel needs to be dark or edgy or monstrous. Sometimes you just need a cocky, condescending heel who does douchey things to makes you want to see him get his ass kicked

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Too much of a gay voice. Also still wearing those terrible pink tights. Terrible promo by EC3. Both showing why they aren't ready for Prime Time. Sandow came in with all momentum but now is about as well received as a wet fart.

[Simple Fan]

I haven't liked Aron Rex at all. Not even sure what his gimmick is. Agree with STD about the pink tights and yeallow knee pads, looks like a generic CAW on a video game. Doesn't help that he has been featured the most in the Impact Grand Championship type matches that are rather dumb now that the initial tournament is over.

I always liked him in WWE and thought he always did a good job with what ever they have him. Just doesnt seem like there is any thing to the Aron Rex character though. TNA gives talent more freedom character wise but I feel like he is more suited for WWEs style of controlling a character for him to play.

[Rollermacka]

I haven't liked Aron Rex at all. Not even sure what his gimmick is. Agree with STD about the pink tights and yeallow knee pads, looks like a generic CAW on a video game. Doesn't help that he has been featured the most in the Impact Grand Championship type matches that are rather dumb now that the initial tournament is over.

I always liked him in WWE and thought he always did a good job with what ever they have him. Just doesnt seem like there is any thing to the Aron Rex character though. TNA gives talent more freedom character wise but I feel like he is more suited for WWEs style of controlling a character for him to play.

I kinda think he "shined" in alot of people's eyes with the Mizdow and cartoony gimmicks was because he was very much featured in small segments, not really given a lot of range to do much. If you also think about it, in Rhode Scholars and with Miz he always has someone to play off of (and that person he played off of was REALLY good)

I think when he debuted and was just "generic baby face" he had no direction, he had no real discerning reason for me to cheer him. At least as a heel, he makes it very easy to hate him. He's not a jacked monster like Lashley or doing cool flippy stuff like Trevor Lee. Maybe it's just me.... But he just has one of those faces you want to punch


Side note, I thought it was really creative when they did the "gimmick cheating" when he was turning heel. Like one show he has his knuckles all taped and they speculate if he's got rings on under. Another match he wipes his hands all over his towel and he guy makes it seem like his eyes are burning when he rakes his eyes. I really liked those attention to detail

[Mr. Nerfect]

Damien Sandow had good potential in the WWE. I was surprised when they gave him MITB. It pretty much destroyed him.

[Big Vic]

Damien Sandow had good potential in the WWE. I was surprised when they gave him MITB. It pretty much destroyed him.
I feel like WWE really fumbled the ending of Mizdow. Damien should have left the WWE at that point if he could have.

[Simple Fan]

I kinda think he "shined" in alot of people's eyes with the Mizdow and cartoony gimmicks was because he was very much featured in small segments, not really given a lot of range to do much. If you also think about it, in Rhode Scholars and with Miz he always has someone to play off of (and that person he played off of was REALLY good)

I think when he debuted and was just "generic baby face" he had no direction, he had no real discerning reason for me to cheer him. At least as a heel, he makes it very easy to hate him. He's not a jacked monster like Lashley or doing cool flippy stuff like Trevor Lee. Maybe it's just me.... But he just has one of those faces you want to punch


Side note, I thought it was really creative when they did the "gimmick cheating" when he was turning heel. Like one show he has his knuckles all taped and they speculate if he's got rings on under. Another match he wipes his hands all over his towel and he guy makes it seem like his eyes are burning when he rakes his eyes. I really liked those attention to detail

Yes he's one of those guys that's easy to hate. I did like when he turned heel but he keeps the silly pink and yellow knee pads that kind of contradicts being a bad guy and looking mean. The cheating was ok but can you get DQed in a Impact Grand Championship style match? He definitely works better with someone to play off though and was probably best when working with Eli Drake.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like WWE really fumbled the ending of Mizdow. Damien should have left the WWE at that point if he could have.

Even when he turned they made him look like the biggest idiot ever.

"Gonna turn on Miz now instead of waiting for us to get Big Show out of the fucking match first."

[Big Vic]

Yeah, made him look like a huge pussy.

[Rollermacka]

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[Rollermacka]

Hmm, I thought this week's Impact was.... solid. The matches were good (really enjoyed Bennett vs Moose and the Main). Although, I was somewhat disappointed that there was no Aaron Rex or Drew Galloway on the show :-\. I think this was a good start for the "new TNA" (this is like the third or fourth time they've tried to reestablish but oh well) it was nowhere near as "over the top" as the last two New Year shows.... but that isn't a bad thing

[Simple Fan]

Moose vs Bennett was probably the best Grand Championship style match. I still hope they drop the round format and think they are headed that way with the first wish of that match. I don't see Bennett being happy about not being pinned and losing. Main event was good but Eddie's surprise wasn't all that surprising.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Wasn't that one of Corgan's ideas? Seems likely if so. It also sucks the big one. Rounds are only for real sports or maybe British Wrestling.

A Rhode Scholars reunion would be nice if TNA can afford Cody.

[Ultra Mantis]

Cody is already in TNA, where he is clearly setting the world alight.

[Simple Fan]

Cody is already in TNA, where he is clearly setting the world alight.

I don't think he has really signed anywhere just get though. Had already performed for TNA, ROH, and NJPW. Might continue to just do what ever he wants for a while. I just wish he could use the Rhodes name.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Cody is already in TNA, where he is clearly setting the world alight.

Nope, he only signed a one-day contract to get Brandi signed to a deal.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

She is pretty terrible as a wrestler too. So, he basically hosed them and left.

[Simple Fan]

She did pretty well to be as green as she was. She really only came along to have the Rhodes name on TV and she got to wrestle which is something she wanted to do. He had a good program with Bennett and had a match for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. Was attacked by Lashley the last time he was seen on Impact so they left the door open for more appearances if he chooses.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Cody could have value to New Japan, and given that they are the #2 promotion in the world, I wouldn't risk getting into bed with TNA at this point.

[Simple Fan]

No doubt I think NJPW is the best place for him as well. Not sure what he really wants to do though. I think he likes doing the freelance thing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, you're right, but that's why he shouldn't buckle down with TNA. He's going to have more freedom with New Japan and can probably make shots with ROH and some west coast promotions, like PWG and PCW. I am determined to get PCW over, dammit.

[Simple Fan]

I don't think he'll "buckle down" anywhere just yet. He could work TNA, ROH, NJPW, PWG, and PCW and not sign exclusive deals with any of them.

[Rollermacka]

She did pretty well to be as green as she was. She really only came along to have the Rhodes name on TV and she got to wrestle which is something she wanted to do. He had a good program with Bennett and had a match for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. Was attacked by Lashley the last time he was seen on Impact so they left the door open for more appearances if he chooses.

My only "gripe" with Brandi is that yes she's green.... but I think she was originally signed to a WWE contract in 2011, then went back to the WWE in 2013. Three years of having (arguably) the best trainers in the world, and she still looks like that in the ring? :-\

[erickman]

My only "gripe" with Brandi is that yes she's green.... but I think she was originally signed to a WWE contract in 2011, then went back to the WWE in 2013. Three years of having (arguably) the best trainers in the world, and she still looks like that in the ring? :-\

she had the same trainers eva had

[Rollermacka]

she had the same trainers eva had

True, but didn't Eva "supposedly" only have like 4 weeks of training before she was put on the main roster? When she came back I thought Eva's performances were completely acceptable. Brandi spent 3(ish) years in NXT and her matches in TNA, well....

[Big Vic]

I just wish he could use the Rhodes name.
Hasn't he been doing just that? I swear I remember seeing a promo (maybe bullet club promo) using the Cody Rhodes name.

[Simple Fan]

Hasn't he been doing just that? I swear I remember seeing a promo (maybe bullet club promo) using the Cody Rhodes name.

No, still can't use the Rhodes name on TV. Kind of found a loophole in TNA using Brandi as Cody & Brandi Rhodes. In ROH he went as Cody R and goes as The American Nightmare Cody in NJPW.

[Big Vic]

No, still can't use the Rhodes name on TV. Kind of found a loophole in TNA using Brandi as Cody & Brandi Rhodes. In ROH he went as Cody R and goes as The American Nightmare Cody in NJPW.Ooo what I suggested :cool:

[Mr. Nerfect]

He should spell his name in capitals in Japan, like TAKA.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CODY

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brandi is gorgeous and it feels like she has personality to share with the wrestling world, but not everybody needs to be in-ring. It feels like the acts most people rave about in the WWE these days are acts that would make better managers than wrestlers. But I'm more interesting in Brandi "standing by her man" than getting in the ring herself. She's the Pepper Potts to Cody's Iron Man -- you don't need to give her her own power suit (although I'm sure there's a Marvel storyline where she does have one).

When Maria and Mike Bennett sign with the WWE later this year, Cody & Brandi can fill that roll in New Japan and on the independent scene. It looks like he will be working with TNA for the foreseeable future too. If they can get The Young Bucks in there for that program with The Hardys and to pimp some Bullet Club merchandise, I can see their viewers climbing to 500,000.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not the biggest fan of the guy, but why they haven't signed Ryborg and had him just destroy jobbers that basically work for free every week is beyond me. I can legitimately see people looking forward to the Ryborg squash each week and it takes away one segment you need to put a lot of creative effort into.

[Evil Vito]

LANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

https://i.imgur.com/SDx9lvq.jpg

[Evil Vito]

What the fuck....I thought I was in the 100,000 replies thread

Oh well. LANAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm completely fine with that being posted in two places. Lana > TNA.

[Rollermacka]

I'm not the biggest fan of the guy, but why they haven't signed Ryborg and had him just destroy jobbers that basically work for free every week is beyond me. I can legitimately see people looking forward to the Ryborg squash each week and it takes away one segment you need to put a lot of creative effort into.

You know, there are other TITANic guys on the indie circuit who can do an awesome job squashing little people :shifty:


As far as this week, another decent show. DCC were the definite standouts of the show. I really liked the promo, and I chuckled when they said Bram was 6 ft Seven :roll: I will say also, Kingston has really won me over. I wasn't a huge fan of his in the beginning, but he's lost a ton of weight (I like the new vest as opposed to the singlet or the "catchers pad" it look like he wore one week) his part of the promo was good and I am overall enjoying his stuff in TNA.

...... And then there's Sandow. Now when I saw it I had a large groan just like most other people but then a friend brought something to my attention. He said that the character is suppose to be a "modern day Adrian Adonis", and I can conceivably see Aaron Rex pulling that off. "Supposedly" this gimmick was his idea, and he has made ALOT more out of less, so I'm gonna keep an open mind for this one.

Final mention, it may have been just me, but the crowd really seemed to be into the show last night. It may have been because this episode was filmed when they just started tapings (and there's some "shenanigans " that I read about that happened in the last couple of days) but it does seem to help that the crowd seemed into the show as opposed to just sitting on their hands.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd be all for Paul Titan TNA World Heavyweight Champion. I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass though, man -- I will probably still hate the Grand Championship even if you win it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're right with Sandow. Honestly, I don't really think Mizdow getting over was anything he particularly did, but the Intellectual Savior of the Masses thing he deserves all the credit in the world for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Hardy is a former two-time TNA Champion. I had no clue. Was this during his "Big Money Matt" run?

[Simple Fan]

The first time he won it was in a triple threat at BFG with EC3 and Drew Galloway. EC3 was the undefeated champion and Hardy pinned Galloway to win the title. However EC3 filed an injunction which forced Matt Hady off Impact for a month which meant he had to give up the title. The second time was a Last Man Standing match with EC3 where they did the double turn and Big Money Matt was born. Last Man Standing match was pretty good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ah, that's right. That Bound For Glory in North Carolina.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah Jeff was forced to be EC3s personal assistant and was also the special guest referee in that match and why EC3 filed the injunction.

[Rollermacka]

I'd be all for Paul Titan TNA World Heavyweight Champion. I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass though, man -- I will probably still hate the Grand Championship even if you win it.

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I look like I belong in the ring with current TNA stars.... :shifty:

[Simple Fan]

Glad to see Caleb Konley finally debut this week. He's been signed awhile and only showed up on ONOs. Really think he has AJ Styles potential in the company. Can be a guy to revitalize the X division and a guy they can build up the card.

[Simple Fan]

I guess now that Maria is gone this gif can be retired from this thread.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/mBEzTwDFQF5Xa/200w_s.gif

Unless they sign with ROH again and in which case it will start the next page.

[Big Vic]

Well it is the next page...;)

[Rollermacka]

I guess now that Maria is gone this gif can be retired from this thread.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/mBEzTwDFQF5Xa/200w_s.gif

Unless they sign with ROH again and in which case it will start the next page.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/mBEzTwDFQF5Xa/200w_s.gif

Needed on every page...

[Simple Fan]

New Impact is off to a fast start. First 15 minutes and The Wolves have brawled, Josh Mathews and JB argued about JB being added to the announce table, and Cody came out and called out Moose who isn't there.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Woah, it finally happened. The last TNA was so bad that even Voices of Wrestling hate it. They usually love all the shit TNA pumps out.

http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2017/03/09/impact-wrestling-pop-tv-results-review-march-9/

[Simple Fan]

First 15 minutes were probably the best. Opening video they played was pretty good but filled with guys currently in WWE which is fine I just felt like they over did it a bit.

Dutch Mantel had a promo that pushed the line of copyright laws as well, almost introduced himself as Zeb before stoping and saying he'd get in trouble. Went on to talk about his previous time in TNA when it was great and that they lost the fans and that was going to change be cause We the People will make Impact Great again.

Just a lot of WWE references on the show and that was kind of the theme of the show. I do like JB being added to the announce table and that led to a WWE references with Josh saying this isn't Smackdown Live where they have 47 announcers. Pritchard talked about his time in WWE and they had two former WWE guys in the main event.

I did like how they wrote the Hardys off with Decay tampering with Vanguard 1, I assume they'll explain exactly what they did to him but I won't hold my breath. Really need new titles though as it's kind of dumb to announce TNA is dead but still have your championships branded with TNA logos. Also Cody had his GFW NEX Gen title with him and Reno Scum had the Future Stars of Wrestling Tag Team titles with them.

Overall the look of the show was a bit better with the new logo but was very strong with the WWE references to the point it was kind of ridiculous. X Division match was ok, and the main event was good til it got to the finish.

[#1-norm-fan]

Watching out of curiosity. Never cared for Josh Matthews and I kinda cringed when I heard he was gonna do the heel announcer thing but he was great in that segment.

[#1-norm-fan]

2 minute win by Reno Scum over DCC. Are DCC supposed to be not jobbers?

[#1-norm-fan]

New match. It seems to be a fatal fourway but only one guy got and introduction and the other three's names weren't even mentioned until after the match had started.

[Simple Fan]

2 minute win by Reno Scum over DCC. Are DCC supposed to be not jobbers?

Yeah that's a head scratcher, especially when you just lost your tag team champions and you Decay and DCC are the only teams you have. Wasn't really impressed with Reno Scum.

[#1-norm-fan]

Laurel Van Ness coming out still in a wedding dress and holding her shoe and a bottle of wine from last week. Ridiculous. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

lol Loving Josh Mathews' "I'm a company guy and couldn't give a shit less about wrestling history" gimmick. Schilling some Pop TV show while being confused about who Rachael Ellering's dad is.

[#1-norm-fan]

Really just skipping through matches and looking for parts where Josh Mathews snaps. "NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE NAMES OF THE MOVES!"

[#1-norm-fan]

Final appearance of the Broken Hardyz tonight I guess.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lashley and El Patron fighting for the title is a good step in the right direction at least. They both come off as stars. They need more of this to build credibility and less Chris Sabin/Eddie Edwards championship reigns.

[#1-norm-fan]

EC3. Eeeeeh...

[#1-norm-fan]

Lashley could use a mouthpiece though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cody is awesome. I hope that GFW title he's got gets re-named and becomes a legit Impact title. Do they even have a midcard title?

[#1-norm-fan]

God, these WWE references. Dutch almost calling himself Zeb as if he's being super controversial or something. So awkward.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't get what Decay did to "delete" the Hardys.

[Simple Fan]

Cody is awesome. I hope that GFW title he's got gets re-named and becomes a legit Impact title. Do they even have a midcard title?

The dumb Impact Grand Championship with the rounds. It's a good looking title but it's defended in stupid matches. Moose is the champion right now and he won it by split decision from Drew Galloway.

[#1-norm-fan]

Moose is champion? Perfect. Maybe they'll do a unification match.

[Simple Fan]

I don't get what Decay did to "delete" the Hardys.

Like I said I hope the elaborate a bit about what they did to Vanguard 1.

[#1-norm-fan]

I didn't really mind the ending.

They didn't need Dutch AND Pritchard to both do "TNA sucked but it will be good now" promos. It was overkill. Also, there wasn't a lot of substance to anything in the middle of the show. Matches seemed really dull.

[#1-norm-fan]

And I think the three guys Braxton Sutter wrestled were actually supposed to be at least kind of a big deal. Why were they treated like enhancement talent? It felt like a fatal fourway jobber match. Weird.

[Simple Fan]

And I think the three guys Braxton Sutter wrestled were actually supposed to be at least kind of a big deal. Why were they treated like enhancement talent? It felt like a fatal fourway jobber match. Weird.

Thought that was weird as well especially since it was taped. I could understand if they were live but made it real obvious they have a hard on for Braxton. I like Caleb Konley and think he's perfect for the X division.

[Big Vic]

Saw a snippet of ROH over the weekend, sad that Cody Rhodes has to go to the ring simply known as "Cody"

[Simple Fan]

Christopher Daniels is finally a World Champion. Beat Adam Cole at ROH 15 Anniversary show when Kaz turned on Bullet Club and helped him win. Well deserved but could Adam Cole be on his way to NXT?

[Tom Guycott]

Saw a snippet of ROH over the weekend, sad that Cody Rhodes has to go to the ring simply known as "Cody"

I made my feelings known about the "regime change" Impact show in the backyard wrestling/Impact superthread... because I felt it belonged in there. They kinda need to pump the brakes on the "EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT NOW" vibe, partially because TNA did that so many times already (much like doing the world altering surpise announcement that was almost always a disappointment until the next one next week), and partially because the bad was way over the top bad.

However, I will continue to sing the praises of Cody (Rhodes) anywhere I can. And how he can still work in the name (like not saying it into a mic, referring to his wife, the cowbell, etc.) Classic old-school WRESTLING shit. Is he in a feud in every fed he's in? Does he have a different tshirt in every fed, too?

[Big Vic]

Bucks/Hardys ladder match should be good.

Is there an Iconic tag team the Hardys haven't faced? Would like to see them have a short feud against New Day for promo purposes.

[Simple Fan]

Really glad to see Christopher Daniels as ROH World Champion (of the World) but a summer of Dalton Castle as champion could be entertaining. Plus the guy can flat out wrestle.

Hardys vs Young Bucks should be a good match but with the Hardy WWE rumors the result seems pretty obvious.

I'm thinking Bully Ray is going to turn on the Briscoes and join Bullet Club. Could be wrong though, just a feeling.

Cody and Lethal in a bull rope match also should be good. Cody's everywhere these days.

Supercard of Honor is looking like it will be a pretty good show. I think I seen that Marty Scurl will face Adam Cole as well. Been impressed with The Villian for what I've seen of him.

[Big Vic]

TNA

Sonjay Dut won the X-division title and said he did it for the nation of India

[mike adamle]

What a moment!!!!!

[Moose Knuckle]

I know it's 2017, but Good for Sonjay Dutt. Also glad they didn't try to put the World title on him and kept him in the X Division.