*** Totes OFFICIAL Summerslam Thread - 8/23/15 ***

[Frank Drebin]

New Day saved this PPV from totally tanking. What a waste of time

:y:

If they didn't want to have a finish to Taker/Lesnar why just not book the storyline?

Per usual WWE is great on the build but can't deliver on the follow through. They wanted to book the match to get eyeballs on the show. That was their goal - as it should be - but they forgot that they have other shows to sell after this.

If you want to make money hand over fist, you have to get the attention of the casual fan. Unfortunately, they built the show to do that for this show only and nothing after as Hasney says:

That was the first main roster WWE I watched since the Raw after Mania. Couple of good matches but that in no way made me want to start watching again. Goddamn.


This is why the show was a total waste. Nothing was settled. Nothing was accomplished.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Heyman's thoughts about the Summerslam PPV (watching in the theater).

1) There was an amazingly hot Asian MILF sitting beside me and she brought her 3-4 year old son to watch. I literally wanted to eat her vagina while simultaneously stroking my cock. Almost went to the bathroom during the women's match to go jerk off and lick my own semen with her in mind.


2) People on here seem to be disappointed by the PPV as a whole, but the nearly sold out theater that I went to greatly enjoyed the event. Some gave it a standing ovation in the end.


3) Many people on here are disappointed by the Lesnar/Taker finish, but I think it was the perfect finish for a few reasons: A) You can't have 50 year old Taker going cleanly over Brock as it would ruin his credibility. B) On the flip side, the WWE needed to pay respect to Taker's legacy and Wrestling career and so Lesnar squashing Taker again wouldn't have been good for business. C) This non-conclusive match sets-up Lesnar/Taker at Mania in front of Taker's home crowd in what will likely be Taker's swan song (with Lesnar ending Taker's career, and making Taker go 22-2).


4) New Day is way the fuck over. I didn't realize how over they were since I barely watch wrestling these days, but these guys are great. The fans in attendance and in the theater really loved these guys as did I.


5) After watching Cesaro tonight, my opinion of him has changed. While I love Cesaro, I don't think he presently has that "it" factor needed to be THE guy. I am now in agreement with posters Noid and The CyNick on this.


6) The Wyatt's are still 'over', but the WWE needs to do something significant with Bray this year otherwise the WWE risks not capitalizing on his potential star power.


7) Sheamus, Titus O'Neil, and Dean Ambrose really impressed me tonight. Miz wasn't too bad either. Randy Orton looked disinterested in his match, while Big Show also looked like he was going through the motions.


8) I think Kevin Owens has an outside shot of being "the face" of the company if he leans out significantly.


9) Roman Reigns is unfairly getting crapped on by the fans. I think he's much better than people give credit.


10) Was very impressed with Rollins/Cena.

Was going to reply to this anyway, but then saw I got a mention. Yaaaaay.

1) Sweet. Go for it, man.

2) Haven't actually watched, but I guess a larger audience could make a car crash seem like a good show.

3) I agree with those asking "Why even book Lesnar/Taker in the first place?". There's a whole of "where now?" going on in WWE at the moment. Two part-timers that aren't even going to be on RAW in a few weeks continuing personal issues? No thanks. And I have no interest in another Brock vs. Taker match. They're using the match to set up another match? Why?

4) The New Day are great. Best decision to have them win back the Tag Titles. They remind me of Edge & Christian. Cocky heels that win when it comes down to the wire. If they kept losing, they'd be over, but you'd be running them dry. I'm not sold on the Prime Time Players yet, but the story structure here is good.

5) Cesaro should have won the match. If for no other reason that Kevin Owens was in a fucking Ladder Match the night before. But Cesaro was the face. I get that people think the heel should win the first match in a series, but I feel that the face needs to get you to believe in them. Owens could attack Cena on RAW and get his heat back. Cesaro is now ranked steadily below a whole bunch of guys. They're putting a cap on him.

6) Agreed. If I were Seth Rollins, I'd be shitting myself about both Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Best solution? Make an offering of the US Title to Bray Wyatt and Luke Harper. You're buying two tough heels to watch your back. And The Wyatts need to bounce back, surely even in Bray's mind. It'd be a mutually beneficial relationship. And given his issues with Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, and the next PPV being a title-oriented one, having some gold gives him a reason for being on the show; but he can also use the title to cause friction between Reigns and Ambrose.

Eg. "Sure, I'll defend the US Title against one of you homeboys...but you need to sort out who it will be by fighting each other first, and I know both your egos are too big to lie down. Muwahahahaha."

7) Not really much to say on this. Sheamus shouldn't talk so much. Randy Orton is a great babyface, but they never really know what to do with him. Big Show is a bit directionless. Titus O'Neil is missing something, but has something. I dunno, don't really feel like he's "wrestlery" enough. Kind of a PR gimmick. I want to see Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns properly feud.

8) Kevin Owens has an aura. Just don't say what you said about him, or people will call you Jim Cornette and attribute you to hating the guy. He's got a bad-ass vibe and has an accessibility that few guys have. I'd like to see him clash with some heels and see if people buy him as a face.

9) Agreed. Reigns is getting good at piecing together his matches. I think smart business would be to turn him heel, but I see Ambrose turning on him first, even though people will still probably cheer insane heel Ambrose more than white-meat babyface Reigns.

10) Rollins and Cena are both fantastic. No clue where they go now, and not in a good way, but I imagine their rivalry continues.

[loopydate]

If they didn't want to have a finish to Taker/Lesnar why just not book the storyline?

This is exactly the point WWE has missed for years. If you don't have a satisfying way out of a story, don't start writing it! There is a whole roster full of guys who Taker could have beat last night, and a roster full of guys who will be around a lot longer than Taker who could have benefited huge from beating Brock.

But they had to go with the "spectacle" match without having a way to have it benefit anybody or mean anything.

[Lock Jaw]

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Cole: "There's nothing Cena could do but watch!"

Me: "He can stop holding himself up...."

[Lock Jaw]

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Nothing at all

[loopydate]

I like Mrs. Rhodes' "I ain't mad at it" face in the background

[GD]

Cena-Stewart feud with Rollins playing the Miz "I don't belong here" role. After that... WWE calls it quits. They've run through everything already. WrestleMania is 4 hours of Fandango dancing. PPV buys are through the roof. All wrestling ceases to be and all that is left is Fandango. You understand? Fandango is all that is left.

You have clearly never seen the never ending season of NXT feat. Fandango and Ethan Carter III.

[Droford]

EC3 IS all kinds of awesome on TNA. Basically one of the few reasons I keep watching.

[Big Vic]

Don't like how TNA treats finishers like regular moves in big matches.

[Big Vic]

Also hate how ROH overbooks big matches sometimes.

[Big Vic]

Not saying WWE does things right, basically all their midcard matches are pointless.

[Simple Fan]

Don't like how TNA treats finishers like regular moves in big matches.

And WWE doesn't. Is the AA even a finisher any more?

[Droford]

Call it finisher tolerance

If you hit a wrestler with a finisher the first time it murders them, but by the time they've been hit with it 100000 times they build up some immunity to it

Only logical explanation

[Sepholio]

I like Drofords explanation.

[Big Vic]

And WWE doesn't. Is the AA even a finisher any more?
Correct WWE does the same for some finishers.

[Big Vic]

Call it finisher tolerance

If you hit a wrestler with a finisher the first time it murders them, but by the time they've been hit with it 100000 times they build up some immunity to it

Only logical explanationHow do you explain the RKO? The mostly deadly finisher there is.

[drave]

The Venom from The Viper cancels out any tolerance.

[Sepholio]

How do you explain the RKO? The mostly deadly finisher there is.

The Venom from The Viper cancels out any tolerance.

It's funny because I repped him for that post and hit him with an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE and called into question his finisher tolerance.

[drave]

It's funny because I repped him for that post and hit him with an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE and called into question his finisher tolerance.

No reply = low/no tolerance :y:

[Droford]

Sheamus' pasty white skin must be an antidote

[Big Vic]

Ugh did Sheamus kick out of an RKO last night? ...Dunno what to believe in now.

[Lock Jaw]

Did he really? I missed that match...

Has anyone ever kicked out of an RKO? Probably John Cena...

[Droford]

Ugh did Sheamus kick out of an RKO last night? ...Dunno what to believe in now.

He went for a shoulder block of the top rope and Orton hit the rko but Sheamus rolled out of the ring.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Lock Jaw]

I imagine Undertaker probably kicked out of it in their WM match... can't remember.... but that was before it gained Viper Powers anyways....

[Tom Guycott]

That was the first main roster WWE I watched since the Raw after Mania. Couple of good matches but that in no way made me want to start watching again. Goddamn.

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I think it would be fucking awesome if someone came out to a theme composed by Mike Post. I mean a totally custom song, not, say Hill Street Blues (altough that would STILL rule).

[Heyman]

Why the Lesnar/Taker finish was ideal:

Like I said - you can't have Lesnar squash Taker again due to Taker's legacy in the WWE. Taker would have looked like a bitch had Lesnar completely dominated again. To show respect to Taker, the WWE absolutely did the right thing in having Taker come back to stand up to Lesnar.


On the flip side - it would have been inappropriate for a 50 year old Taker to go over cleanly over Lesnar. Hence - Lesnar still got the better of Taker at Summerslam, even though Taker got in his offense as well. Even though Taker was shown to tap out, Taker was made to look strong enough to compete with Lesnar and choke him out with Hell's gate.


Wrestlemania will be in Taker's home state this year and will likely be Taker's last match. Taker will job once again to Brock at Wrestlemania, as it will be best for business.


By having Brock pre-occupied with Taker, it allows Roman Reigns to face either Seth Rollins or John Cena for the title......while giving Reigns the win.


At the Wrestlemania after this one (2017), you can have Reigns go up against Lesnar again for the WWE/World title. Hopefully by this time, Reigns will be a little more mature in terms of his wrestling ability and charisma.

[Savio]

Or you could just not book the match.

[NormanSmiley]

Nobody has any interest in another taker match.the guy has had an amazing career but the mystique of lesnar taker was foiled when taker already has wrestled at mania since the streak got busted. A wrestlemania win over taker does nothing for lesnar.


And once again wwe shit on their own product not putting the wwe title in the main event.

And I think you are still high off the asian milf pussy scents or the no tears shampoo of her child because reigns is getting booed into oblivion and still cant win over a crowd

[Heyman]

Or you could just not book the match.



You guys weren't entertained by Taker/Lesnar last night? I certainly was, and the theater I went to was greatly entertained as well.


Wrestlemania will be in Undertaker's home state of Texas. It will likely be Taker's last match, and Taker will likely lose to Brock a la Flair/HBK a la HBK/Taker. It will be a true Wrestlemania moment.


After all that Undertaker has done of this business and the WWE, he deserves a final farewell in his home state, along with a proper Ric Flair-like send-off.


Sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

There really doesn't need to be a third Undertake vs. Lesnar.

Taker "won", but Brock got the "moral victory." It would be more interesting if Undertaker gloated about his victory, only for Brock to be like "whatever, you know I won, I'm done with you."

Taker could get angry that no one gives him credit for beating the beast, which could lead to a bitter, biker-esque Taker run. It could work.

[Heyman]

Nobody has any interest in another taker match.the guy has had an amazing career but the mystique of lesnar taker was foiled when taker already has wrestled at mania since the streak got busted. A wrestlemania win over taker does nothing for lesnar.


It's not about Lesnar. It's about giving Taker a WM match in his home state of Texas. After what Taker has done for this business, he fully deserves it. Lesnar beating the streak is one thing, but Lesnar retiring the Undertaker is another. It will be a huge Wrestlemania moment, like HBK/Flair or Taker/HBK.


And once again wwe shit on their own product not putting the wwe title in the main event.


No, they did not. The fans in both the arena and in my theater were greatly entertained.

And I think you are still high off the asian milf pussy scents or the no tears shampoo of her child because reigns is getting booed into oblivion and still cant win over a crowd


LOL. True (about Reigns), but the child demographic can easily be influenced. Cena gets booed royally by everyone, but kids love the guy. Why can't kids grow to love Reigns one day? (Or have the WWE cater/tailor Roman Reigns towards kids as they did with Cena back in 2005).

[Heyman]

I don't think you guys really comprehend the Wrestling business if you don't see value in Undertaker


1) Wrestling one final match in his home state of Texas
2) Lesnar retiring the Undertaker
3) Another Flair/HBK / HBK/Taker moment being created
4) A potential Ric Flair-like send off for Undertaker the next night on RAW.


Another added benefit in not having Lesnar in the main-event, is that it gives both Reigns and Rollins another year to really develop their characters and mature as wrestlers.........so that in 2017 when one of these guys DOES face Lesnar in the main-event of Wrestlemania (and goes over clean), they will truly be ready to be the new face of the WWE.

[Savio]

You guys weren't entertained by Taker/Lesnar last night? I certainly was, and the theater I went to was greatly entertained as well.


Wrestlemania will be in Undertaker's home state of Texas. It will likely be Taker's last match, and Taker will likely lose to Brock a la Flair/HBK a la HBK/Taker. It will be a true Wrestlemania moment.


After all that Undertaker has done of this business and the WWE, he deserves a final farewell in his home state, along with a proper Ric Flair-like send-off.


Sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.
I thought the fight at the end of Rush Hour 3 was entertaining, doesn't mean they should have made Rush Hour 3 though.

[loopydate]

Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.

[Savio]

Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.

This is why:
"Guys how can we let Rollins keep the belt after his match with Brock tomorrow?"

"ummmm uhhh- MakeTakerInterfere!"

[Heyman]

Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.



1) I agree about Cena/Taker, but I think there's something to be said about Taker having his final match ever in front of his home state of Texas.


2) Lesnar - Lesnar will ultimately be used to put someone over at Mania, but the timing and opponent has to be right. Outside of Cena, Reigns is really only that guy in my opinion. I would rather see Reigns go over Cena or Rollins for the title at this Wrestlemania 2016, and then have Reigns look extremely dominant between Wrestlemania 2016-2017. This will also give Reigns some more time to develop as a wrestler and performer. In the mean-time, you can have Lesnar "end" Undertaker at Wrestlemania 2016, and then have him destroy other guys during 2016 (i.e. Cena again, and perhaps Reigns' good buddy Dean Ambrose).


THEN - you can have Reigns go over Lesnar cleanly at Wrestlemania 2017.

[NormanSmiley]

Dude you are so hung up on rollins v reigns as your 3w main event that you are blindly booking out of your ass.


Why sacrifice lesnar When taker could wrestle the fucking barbarian or warlord at mania and get his send off. The opponent matters not. And the least he could do is lose the beer gut

And you are thinking of having reigns go over lesnar clean at 33 in lesnars hometown and you think THAT is gonna go over well?

[Heyman]

Dude you are so hung up on rollins v reigns as your 3w main event that you are blindly booking out of your ass.


Because, outside of Cena, Reigns, and Rollins, there really isn't anyone else that is worthy of main-eventing Mania right now. Lesnar will be pre-occupied with Taker, while guys like Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, etc., won't realistically be built up enough between now and Mania' to be worthy of such a spot. Nor will Kevin Owens, and I doubt that the WWE will re-push Sheamus or Orton to that level.


So - you either go with Reigns-Rollins, or Reigns-Cena. I personally think they'll do Reigns-Rollins at Mania.


Why sacrifice lesnar When taker could wrestle the fucking barbarian or warlord at mania and get his send off. The opponent matters not. And the least he could do is lose the beer gut.


Because, Taker and Lesnar are already in a heated rivalry. Either one of Lesnar or Taker going cleanly over the other guy at Summerslam would have been a bad decision. Lesnar going over Taker would have been bad since it would've continued to make Taker look weak, while giving him limited momentum heading into Mania' in his home state (to which, he'd either go over some random mid-carder in a lackluster match - his final match - OR, go up against John Cena......and hence - sort of ending his career on a sour note due to consecutive losses to different wrestlers).


On the flip side - Lesnar losing cleanly would have been a horrible booking decision since you need to keep Lesnar strong once he inevitably does a job to either Reigns or Rollins at Wrestlemania 2017.


Taker-Lesnar at Wrestlemania 2016 is perfect, because there's emotion behind Taker's last match in his home state, while it also further adds to Lesnar's legacy because he was the guy to end Taker's streak AND his career.

And you are thinking of having reigns go over lesnar clean at 33 in lesnars hometown and you think THAT is gonna go over well?


I didn't realize Wrestlemania 2017 was going to be in Lesnar's hometown. Regardless - I'd still have Reigns go over. Cena's been in environments just as hostile at Reigns would be in this scenario, and the 'kid' demographic still loved Cena.

[NormanSmiley]

I didn't realize.


no shit Heyman

[Damian Rey]

Would've felt better about Taker/Lesnar at Mania 32had Taker lost a close match last night. Could use the "I have to know" gimmick, drawing out Lesnar one more time only to lose for the final time.

Or have him lose last night, allow Brock to moveon, and have Taker answer a Cena challenge at Mania to give it one more go at taking out a top guy.

[NormanSmiley]

would have felt ok with taker/lesnar at 32 if.... taker hadn't fought wyatt at mania 31

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, sorry Heyman; but I'm not on board with Taker vs. Lesnar VIII or whatever it is now. I'm just not wrapped up in that story. Taker is almost certainly going to wrestle at Mania, but I'm not sure who they put him against. The best suggestion I've seen is actually Shawn Michaels. Fuck it, I'd take Luke Harper before Brock Lesnar at this point.

The money match for Lesnar is against Stone Cold Steve Austin.

[Heyman]

Yeah, sorry Heyman; but I'm not on board with Taker vs. Lesnar VIII or whatever it is now. I'm just not wrapped up in that story. Taker is almost certainly going to wrestle at Mania, but I'm not sure who they put him against. The best suggestion I've seen is actually Shawn Michaels. Fuck it, I'd take Luke Harper before Brock Lesnar at this point.

The money match for Lesnar is against Stone Cold Steve Austin.



Few things:


1) HBK said that he will never wrestle again


2) Austin will never wrestle again as he is too physically crippled (although I have heard contrasting reports that state that Austin *would* come back for one last match if the storyline was right?).


3) The problem with most people not wanting Taker/Lesnar at Mania', is that they think that Taker can simply job like a bitch to Brock (again), and then expect the fans to be excited at the idea of Taker fighting someone at Wrestlemania. Unfortunately, that's not how things work......which leads me to #4.


4) On the other side of the spectrum, you can't have Lesnar job to 50 year old Taker because this makes Brock look really bad.....and now all that time you spent re-building the credibility of Brock over the past two years, takes a major hit.


The WWE's biggest goal should be to make both Undertaker and Lesnar look very strong for a few reasons:


A) By having Lesnar look strong, and having him be the guy that ends BOTH the streak and career of Taker, it further adds to Brock's legacy, while also making the guy that eventually does go over Brock, look even MORE credibile.


B) By having Taker look strong, and not looking like a complete bitch by not getting revenge on Brock, it pays respects to Undertaker's career and legacy. A guy that his given his life to the WWE, should not be made to look like a bitch. Hence - I'm glad that Taker was made to look like he pushed Lesnar at Summerslam. A 3rd match adds to the Taker/Lesnar rivalry, and Taker will also get his wish of "giving back to the business" when he does his final JOB to Brock in front of his hometown fans.


The WWE Universe then gets treated to another Ric Flair-esque retirement the next night on RAW.


For all these reasons, I think Taker/Brock III (IV if you count 2003) is by far the best way to go.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Because, outside of Cena, Reigns, and Rollins, there really isn't anyone else that is worthy of main-eventing Mania right now. Lesnar will be pre-occupied with Taker, while guys like Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, etc., won't realistically be built up enough between now and Mania' to be worthy of such a spot. Nor will Kevin Owens, and I doubt that the WWE will re-push Sheamus or Orton to that level.

Well, I mean after his recent semi-burial it'd take some work but there's still ample time to build DEAN. FUCKING. AMBROSE. into a credible guy who crowds would back as champ. And as loathe as I am to suggest him, we don't yet know, I don't think anyway, if Bryan might return. If he did and they were super-duper desparate they could give him a Rumble win to "make up" for last year. Also, IMO they could bring back Kane in his original outfit and mask, to his 1st theme and entrance vid, and have him just start demolishing main eventers and getting a dominant win in the 2016 Rumble where he reclaims his record for eliminations.

I'm not saying any of those guys are likely to be options looked at by Vince and/or Triple H, but I wanted to at least try and think outside the box of guys you listed. And, yeah, Cena? As world champ? AGAIN?! No disrespect, Heyman, but, yeah...nobody wants to see that again. NOBODY.

[CSL]

Heyman is making the most sense in here

[CSL]

Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.

there is no "sacrificing", Brock is granite, especially in that situation

[Heyman]

Well, I mean after his recent semi-burial it'd take some work but there's still ample time to build DEAN. FUCKING. AMBROSE. into a credible guy who crowds would back as champ. And as loathe as I am to suggest him, we don't yet know, I don't think anyway, if Bryan might return. If he did and they were super-duper desparate they could give him a Rumble win to "make up" for last year. Also, IMO they could bring back Kane in his original outfit and mask, to his 1st theme and entrance vid, and have him just start demolishing main eventers and getting a dominant win in the 2016 Rumble where he reclaims his record for eliminations.

I'm not saying any of those guys are likely to be options looked at by Vince and/or Triple H, but I wanted to at least try and think outside the box of guys you listed. And, yeah, Cena? As world champ? AGAIN?! No disrespect, Heyman, but, yeah...nobody wants to see that again. NOBODY.


Bro - I would LOVE it if the WWE pushed Ambrose a la Daniel Bryan style. I just don't see it happening right now unfortunately.


And no - I *don't* want to see Cena become champ again (maybe 1-2 extremely brief runs so that he ties/breaks Flair's record), but other than that, I want one of Reigns/Rollins to be the next guy.

[NormanSmiley]

I think your 73 recycled posts about it lets us all know that you want reigns. The masses don't. Not now.

[Heyman]

I think your 73 recycled posts about it lets us all know that you want reigns. The masses don't. Not now.



It's not about what I want you little fuck boy.


It's about what the WWE will most likely do. Reigns will either go over Rollins or Cena at Mania this year, while Lesnar will retire Taker. In 2017, Reigns will make Brock Lesnar suck his dick in front of Lesnar's hometown fans. Hence - making Reigns the new Cena, while making Lesnar HIV positive.


#74

[Heyman]

Wrestlemania 2016 main-event: Roman Reign vs. Seth Rollins...........double turn?


Ok. To satisy our little resident fuckboy NormanSmiley, I've come up with a scenario that might be a good idea. Have Reigns vs. Rollins at Mania, but have them do a double turn during the match (a la Bret/Austin). However - Rollins defeats Reigns cleanly and the fans go wild with joy.


The next night on RAW, Reigns tells the fans that he will never forgive or forget the fans' betrayal and treatment of him. From this point onwards, Reigns becomes a heel for the next 10+ years regardless of how the fans react to Reigns' new heel character. In many ways, Reigns become the INVERSE of John Cena (i.e. acting like a heel regardless of how the crowd reacts).


Rollins on the other hand, turns face after Wrestlemania and the WWE gives him a shot of trying to prove himself as a Face champion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Rollins will one day be a big babyface, but right now he's just such a slimeball. I'd probably go with the Shield Triple Threat at Mania.

Still not on board with Lesnar vs. Undertaker. Sorry, man. I'm not saying you don't make sense; I just don't want to see it. A lot of Brock's programs since he's been back have just been hammering him against the same guy, and I'd feel it'd be more of the same with Taker. I want to see Brock in a situation he hasn't been in before. But that's just me.

[NormanSmiley]

Jesus heyman for one your ideas are all overly drawn out forced shit. And second im not sure you know what the term fuckboy means.


If you want reigns to be over with the crowd turn him heel. Monday. On raw. Sinple. Done.

[Heyman]

I think Rollins will one day be a big babyface, but right now he's just such a slimeball. I'd probably go with the Shield Triple Threat at Mania.


My only problem with this idea is that you'd likely get a lackluster main-event. With no Reigns or Rollins in the title picture, your main-event would feature one of Cena or Lesnar (and not Cena vs. Lesnar since that's been done numerous times).


And if Lesnar is not facing Reigns, Rollins, or Cena, then he'd be going up against someone that isn't in his league at current (unless you actually think that some faggot lesbian like Sheamus or Dolph Ziggler deserves to go up against Lesnar right now, lol).

Still not on board with Lesnar vs. Undertaker. Sorry, man. I'm not saying you don't make sense; I just don't want to see it. A lot of Brock's programs since he's been back have just been hammering him against the same guy, and I'd feel it'd be more of the same with Taker. I want to see Brock in a situation he hasn't been in before. But that's just me.


No need to apologize to me. I myself was initially not on board with Lesnar/Taker at Mania. I was an advocate of the idea of having Lesnar end Taker's career at Summerslam. However - given that Wrestlemania is in Taker's home state, combined with the potential of having another Ric Flair-esque send off (HBK/Flair), I definitely see the value of Lesnar ending Taker at Mania.


As far as Lesnar usually going up against the same guys go, I think it makes sense to book Lesnar to go up against the same guys frequently, as it adds spice/flair to a rivalry, as opposed to having Lesnar fight random guys. WWE did this with Rock/Cena, and the WWE have had success with Lesnar in having him go up against HHH, Cena, and Undertaker.


Lesnar still has a number of years left on his contract, and so he'll eventually get put against guys that "rise up within the ranks" so to speak. These guys just have to be built properly, similarly to how Rollins and Reigns were (and hence, Lesnar fought them).

[Heyman]

If you want reigns to be over with the crowd turn him heel. Monday. On raw. Sinple. Done.


Again - I have no problem with Reigns turning heel, PROVIDED that someone of equal stature on the heel side turns face to balance things out. Unfortunately, other than Rollins, I'm not really sure if anyone fits that description.


Bray Wyatt would've been a decent guy to turn face, but with this new Wyatt having joined the group, I don't see Wyatt turning any time soon.

[NormanSmiley]

Right now I would go with keeping lesnar gone and if possible try to keep him as a surprise entrant in the rumble. Have lesnar and kevin owens dominate the rumble while not interacting much. Owens v lesnar as last two in the rumble.

Lesnar takes it making him two time rumble winner adding to his resume. Elevates owens.

Rollins holds title til mania and you have a solid main even for brock to finally reclaim his title kept away from him for a year.

Give me wyatt over sting

Give me heels reigns over bryan

Give me cena over taker. And takers walk up the ramp has to include him walking past all his mania opponents slowly with the exception of gonzalez bossman and punk obviously.

Tag match

Some match with the broads

And some filler.

[Heyman]

Rollins holds title til mania and you have a solid main even for brock to finally reclaim his title kept away from him for a year.


My problem with Rollins/Lesnar, is that it was done earlier this year. Wrestlemania main-events are usually about matches that we've never seen before, or matches that we haven't seen in quite some time. I have no issue with Lesnar/Rollins at some point, but not for Wrestlemania 2016.

Give me wyatt over sting


Not a bad idea, but I don't think the WWE will disrespect Sting again by having him job two Wrestlemania's in a row (although this could be nullified IF Sting defeats Rollins for the title next month and has a brief transitional reign before jobbing the title back).

Give me heels reigns over bryan


I'd be ok with this, but I'm not even sure if Bryan will be back.

Give me cena over taker. And takers walk up the ramp has to include him walking past all his mania opponents slowly with the exception of gonzalez bossman and punk obviously.


Cena/Taker was my original idea as well, but I think the WWE are committed to Lesnar/Taker again. Undertaker jobbing to Lesnar (within the next month or two), and then challenging Cena for Mania doesn't make much storyline sense in my opinion.

[NormanSmiley]

No reason to have undertaker or lesnar job to each other in a month or two, they should never have another match

[Heyman]

With the way things ended at Summerslam however, I'm not sure if that will be the case. Almost seems inevitable that they'll have another match. I personally wanted Lesnar to end Undertaker's career at Summerslam, but the WWE felt differently (i.e. I suspect that they wanted Taker to have one final match at Mania.........and if they do have that in mind, then I just can't see it being anyone else other than Lesnar).

[NormanSmiley]

Wwe logic is the match 10 plus years ago doesn't exist. So current format is 1 win apiece. Both looked strong in their win and both looked strong in defeat. No need to keep beating a dead horse,or in this case an out of shape taker

[NormanSmiley]

So heyman,you are going with reigns to win the rumble 2nd year in a row?

[Heyman]

So heyman,you are going with reigns to win the rumble 2nd year in a row?



Yes, I think Reigns is the odds on favorite to repeat as the winner. Reigns or Rollins, but likely Reigns.


1) I still think Lesnar/Taker will occur at Wrestlemania (even if most on here don't want that), and so that eliminates Lesnar (or Taker) from winning RR.


2) I do not see Cena vs. Rollins taking place at Mania, since that match has taken place many times before. I think the main-event at Mania pretty much has to be Reigns vs. Rollins, or Reigns vs. Cena.


The way I see things playing out is Sting defeating Rollins to win the title next month, but then Rollins gets his return match and victory over Sting at Royal Rumble and re-captures the title. Rollins holds on to the title until Mania.

[NormanSmiley]

There is a .00004 percent chance of sting winning

[Heyman]

There is a .00004 percent chance of sting winning



I think the WWE will do something for Sting as a tribute to his career. When HBK returned to the WWE in 2002 for instance, he got a brief title reign. Ditto for Hulk Hogan.


Since Sting jobbed to Hunter at Mania' last year, I think they will give him some kind of favor.


My guess is that Kane returns and causes Rollins to lose (despite Rollins dominating Sting). Rollins briefly feuds with Kane, defeats him, and then goes after Sting again (and wins at RR).


Between next month and Royal Rumble, you can have Sting make 1-2 title successful title defenses (i.e. maybe Sheamus "cashes in" and challenges Sting to a match on PPV).

[NormanSmiley]

Im starting love how.optimistic you are that creative will be,creative. I think john cena and rollins are back.in the survivor series main event

[Heyman]

Im starting love how.optimistic you are that creative will be,creative. I think john cena and rollins are back.in the survivor series main event



Hey Norman, what's with your rep? LOL. Have you really pissed off that many guys since debuting here? :D. I'm loving it. You're my kind of guy.


p.s.________I know Noid suggested this awhile back, but I'm on board with a Bray Wyatt face turn.


I had this vision last night where Rollins is in the ring (with The Authority) and Rollins is like, "I've beaten everyone that the WWE has had to offer. I am not the future......I am the present........and I dare anyone from the back to prove otherwise."


::::Cue Wyatt family weirdness:::: :::lights go out:::: ::::lights go back on::::


Bray attacks Rollins to a huge face pop, while Harper/other guy chase off HHH/Steph from the ring. Bray hits Sister Abigail on Rollins to a huge pop and RAW goes off the air with Bray saying, "FOLLOW THE BUZZARDS!"

[NormanSmiley]

Every piece of that red rep is from fan from the last two days.literally.

I want so much for bray. To me the only complete character who has the whole package. And especially for him to become vray wyatt so much after theu gave him that bullshit husky harris gimmick.

I felt it was coming at 30 when he had the whole fanbase turning him face on cena and boom. Cena happened