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Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:20 PM
Best match of the night so far.
Although competition for that spot hasn't been fierce.
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:21 PM
Fucking flair again!!
poopfromweiner dude
04-03-2016, 09:21 PM
why is this match twice as long as brock lesnar street fighting dean ambrose
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:21 PM
And another baffling finish.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:22 PM
Awww man, no new champ?
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:22 PM
great match
Maluco
04-03-2016, 09:23 PM
Charlotte is great though, deserves it
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:23 PM
Sasha or Becky should've won, but it was a great match
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:23 PM
They're really going to have to pull something out of the bag to send the fans home happy after how things have gone so far.
owenbrown
04-03-2016, 09:23 PM
so Charlotte loses to a debuting Bayley?
Awesome...also finally a belt that doesn't look like a cute participation trophy
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:24 PM
FUCK THE CELL NOW!
Theo Dious
04-03-2016, 09:24 PM
Amazing match. The night Divas became SUPERSTARS.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:24 PM
Not keen on keeping the title on Charlotte, but fair play to all three.
Also a good triple threat. Sick of triple threats where they just have one person outside the whole time and just switch the two people in the ring. They made that work with three.
Just a downright good match.
James Steele
04-03-2016, 09:24 PM
When will they bring Bayley up?
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:24 PM
Wait what the fuck? Guess the battle royal is going to be the buffer match.
The women felt a bit overwhelmed.
Charlotte is really something awesome. The way she's playing this heel character is absolutely on point, and she has the best person in the world to guide her on how to make the fans truly despise her. I'm sorry for Sasha not winning, but Charlotte definitely deserves it.
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 09:24 PM
Feel like I'm just gonna put the Mets on the radio and put the Mania picture on TV or something. ESPN sucking the Royals off by showing World Series highlights every single inning. Cunts.
Sounds like it was a great Women's match. Gonna go back and czech that one out later.
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Damn. Battle royal is gonna be the main event for me.
James Steele
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Have no idea what will happen in this match and I hope Shane O'Mac doesn't die.
Looks like Hunter and Roman are going last.
Exyle
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Ooh... Roman and HHH close the show... Wrestlemania ends with a sea of boo's?
Maluco
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Charlotte is the most established of the three I think. Becky isn't over enough yet for the win to be a big deal and Sasha hasn't had enough time on the main roster yet.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
wtf
HIAC now? Going to do the battle royale before title match?
owenbrown
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
WHY THE FUCK ISN'T THIS THE MAIN EVENT?! DO THEY WANT 100,000+ PEOPLE THROWING SHIT IN THE RING WHEN ROMAN WINS?!
Triple A
04-03-2016, 09:25 PM
Is the battle royal gonna be after the hell in the cell?
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 09:26 PM
Match was great overall but could have done without another Ric interfering in matches spot. Charlotte and not Ric should be the one pulling off classic Flair style cheating.
Wow WWE title match is going on last. Doubt anything outside of a Roman heel turn or really crazy shenanigans is going to cause Mania to not end in a massive shower of boos.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:27 PM
DID JERICHO JUST COMPARE SHANE O MAC TO MY DOGG STANNIS THE MANNIS?
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:27 PM
Is the battle royal gonna be after the hell in the cell?
I'd guess so, they normally put on something less important before the main event to let the crowd "come down" from the big semi-main.
One shot there of CM Punk getting thrown into the cell.
Guys, don't forget that we haven't seen The Rock yet. That will be put in a prime position and given a lot of time, just like the Triple H/Steph/Rousey/Rock segment last year.
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:29 PM
We also have the rock showing up somewhere in all this hoopla.
Mercenary
04-03-2016, 09:29 PM
why is this match twice as long as brock lesnar street fighting dean ambrose
Cause the girls wrestle more then Brock?
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:30 PM
HERE COMES THE MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:30 PM
Shane's kids are going to jump off the cell onto taker.
Is that Linda McMahon at ringside?
Awww, Shane's kids are gonna see their dad be brutally murdered.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:31 PM
Passing the grandkids to Linda.
Droford
04-03-2016, 09:32 PM
This just got stupid..yeah bring your kids out to see you kill yourself
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:32 PM
MEAN STREET POSSE 2.0
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 09:33 PM
I can kinda see Rock costing Reigns the title. Seems like that could be their way of saving the backlash this year.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:33 PM
this match has the potential to be an utter shitshow too
hopefully whatever spot they choose will make up for it
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:34 PM
Damn was hoping for biker Taker.
I hope his kids understood he was kissing them goodbye.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:34 PM
These entrances have been longer than the Brock/Ambrose match
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:35 PM
Still no idea what they are planning for this. Can't see Undertaker jobbing to Shane, can't see Shane coming back with a big bang only to lose.
Which at least makes this interesting.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:35 PM
Crimson with his 20th post about how short Ambrose/Lesnar was
Mercenary
04-03-2016, 09:36 PM
Crimson with his 20th post about how short Ambrose/Lesnar was
Maybe Ambrose was still drunk from last night?
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:37 PM
I'm fucking ready for this!!
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 09:37 PM
Still no idea what they are planning for this. Can't see Undertaker jobbing to Shane, can't see Shane coming back with a big bang only to lose.
Which at least makes this interesting.
Them adding in the "No Mania" stip for Taker was a big mistake because of that.
Maluco
04-03-2016, 09:38 PM
Can sort of understand the anger at Ambrose/Brock being so short though. He was pretty much demolished a d only survived so long cause of the weapons. It was a bit weird.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:38 PM
no idea what to expect from this match
will it utterly suck? crazy spotfest? half-decent match? interference?
Maluco
04-03-2016, 09:39 PM
Would be hilarious if Shane came back, lost, and that was him gone.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:39 PM
no idea what to expect from this match
will it utterly suck? crazy spotfest? half-decent match? interference?
Could be a little bit of everything.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:40 PM
I just hope Shane survives whatever dumb stuff he is planning.
I thought his age would prevent him doing anything dumb, then RAW disproved that.
Blonde Moment
04-03-2016, 09:42 PM
Wonder if they scraped the BAttle royale?
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:42 PM
There's definitely going to have to be interference, otherwise it can't convincingly last very long.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:42 PM
You don't see enough traditional cage matches these days.
Cole: "Take's a veteran, he's not going to be drawn in like that."
Taker is drawn in less than a second later.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:44 PM
Wonder if they scraped the BAttle royale?
Nah, can't deny all those guys a Mania payday.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:44 PM
Wonder if they scraped the BAttle royale?
Not sure how you can scrape a match there
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:44 PM
Cole: "Take's a veteran, he's not going to be drawn in like that."
Taker is drawn in less than a second later.
lol ya found that funny
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:45 PM
Letting Taker live out his MMA fantasies.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:46 PM
Bah gawd! The mma training has paid off for Shane!
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:46 PM
New match idea: First Snot match.
First person to get their opponent to release the nose gold wins.
Droford
04-03-2016, 09:49 PM
Really hate this "shane is outsmarting Taker" way of this match
The crowd seems to be tired.
Ruien
04-03-2016, 09:49 PM
Wonder if they scraped the BAttle royale?
There is always a buffer between the main events.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:49 PM
Lol Taker can barely reach for his left foot.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:50 PM
Well, it's sort of a sharpshooter.
Droford
04-03-2016, 09:50 PM
Lol sharpshooter
More like crap shooter
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:50 PM
Who sweats more Brock or Shane?
Brock Lesnar couldn't get out of the Hell's gate but Shane can?
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:51 PM
Yeah this is quite dull atm.
Lol sharpshooter
More like crap shooter
The STO! The Shane Tap Out!
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:51 PM
We goin a little coast to coast baby!!
Destor
04-03-2016, 09:51 PM
Is taker shane a turd or what?im not watching
They're building up to a big spot. I know it.
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:52 PM
No it's good!
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:52 PM
He could barely manage Coast to Coast 15 years ago, can he do it now?
Fenix122
04-03-2016, 09:52 PM
Coast to coast coming up
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:53 PM
Is taker shane a turd or what?im not watching
Not bad actually
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:53 PM
... apparently he can!
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 09:53 PM
Crowd doesn't seem as "electric" as expected.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:53 PM
He hit it. Fair play.
Crowd still not that bothered.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:54 PM
coast to coast baby
One footed Coast to Coast.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 09:54 PM
Crowd seems tired.
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 09:54 PM
Oh shit, he's looking up...
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:55 PM
Shane keeps looking up..........................
Outsider
04-03-2016, 09:55 PM
Goging upstairs by the looks of it.
Please live through this.
Droford
04-03-2016, 09:55 PM
Lol did he actually cut tye bolts
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 09:55 PM
Wouldn't cutting the chain on the lock be easier?
Shit I think Shane hit his head really hard.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:56 PM
lol @ sole man chanting "this is awesome" meekly
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:56 PM
German announce table!
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:56 PM
All that's running though my head is omg omg omg omg....
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 09:58 PM
Oh, Shane's gonna elbow Taker through the table from the top of the cell.
Droford
04-03-2016, 09:58 PM
Into the crowd like WM X7
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 09:58 PM
so
looks like Shane totally going to do some ridiculous spot...
what are the odds that he legitimately dies? 40:1?
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 09:58 PM
The protective covering for the tv monitors makes them look like lunchboxes instead.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 09:59 PM
OK Shane you were looking up you better climb that cage eventually
Volare
04-03-2016, 09:59 PM
Nice table spot.
Maluco
04-03-2016, 09:59 PM
Glassy eyed is Shane O
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:00 PM
Its the lockbox
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:01 PM
the red tool box is locked
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:01 PM
Crowd just seems to be reacting quickly to spots and then going back to sleep. Weird vibe.
Blonde Moment
04-03-2016, 10:01 PM
Draw?
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:01 PM
Should announcers carry iPads as backup now? When they lose the monitors they can whip em out
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:01 PM
New foley off the cage through a table spot
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:02 PM
This won't end well.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:03 PM
Bah gawd! Don't do itnShane! Don't do it!
This Cell is taller than the one Foley went off of. No one has fallen off the new higher HIAC.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:03 PM
Really wish he wasn't going up there.
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:03 PM
Bonus pts for jumping off vs falling off
James Steele
04-03-2016, 10:03 PM
OHHHHHHH FUUUUUUUUUCK
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:03 PM
Don't know how I feel about this.
"Please don't die" chant.
Blonde Moment
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
fuck
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
Oh fuck.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
are there stacks of money on top of the cell
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
HOLY SHIT
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
Lol Taker was out of the way before he jumped
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
Wow and the feed buffers
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
I can't watch.
Triple A
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
oh shit
Fenix122
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
Holy shit
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
Holy fucking God!!!
Fenix122
04-03-2016, 10:04 PM
RIP Shane
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:05 PM
Only Shane McMahon would be allowed to do that spot in 2016.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:05 PM
Hope that table was well gimmicked.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:05 PM
FOR THE LOVE OF MANKIND
good choice of words
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:05 PM
Lol Taker was out of the way before he jumped
Looked like he timed it perfectly actually.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:05 PM
Took him a full three seconds to fall.
James Steele
04-03-2016, 10:05 PM
Undertaker's face said it all.
It looked like there was an inflated pad underneath the table's "shell" that deflated when he hit it. Still had to have hurt like a son of a bitch though. The impact alone...
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 10:06 PM
Really hope that wasn't the idea for the original OMG spot considering it would have been from 45-50 feet instead.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:06 PM
Crowd with the delayed chant that fades away in 5 seconds. Must be drunk
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:06 PM
Taker pulling Shane on top of him seems somewhat possible now...
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:07 PM
That'll be that, then.
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:08 PM
Welp back to the ol status quo.
Triple A
04-03-2016, 10:08 PM
Crowd with the delayed chant that fades away in 5 seconds. Must be drunk
Feels hard to get any cohesive chants or "camaraderie" going with such a huge crowd
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:08 PM
Well there we go.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:09 PM
Oh. Ok.
Bye Shane?
So, what's left? Battle Royal, Rock segment and the WWE Title match?
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:09 PM
Welp back to the ol status quo.
Tomorrow on Raw - same old shit.
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:10 PM
Brand split cancelled
Come on. Shane never had a chance. Undertaker's second loss to the son of Vince McMahon? Not in a million years.
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:10 PM
Next year is 25 years of Taker at WM
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:10 PM
yay! we get more of the same on Raw, AND a bonus extra match featuring the corpse of the Undertaker next year
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:10 PM
Where's Vince to congratulate him
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:11 PM
Anyway though. Wasn't a huge fan of the match. Shane booked to look way too strong, kicking out of shit like he's Brock Lesnar... then the crazy spot, then a Tombstone and scene.
idk
cool and all, but pretty much by the numbers I guess?
It doesn't mean Shane won't still get what he wants. He could give Vince back his "property" and then say he promised to give him back what was his, but he never said he'd give over the copies that he made. Vince gives in and Shane is the new manager of RAW.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:11 PM
And now to cram in a battle royal, a musical interlude, presumably the Rock segment and the main event into a little over an hour.
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:12 PM
We gonna find out what was in that lock box?
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:12 PM
There goes the Money!
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:13 PM
Best Wrestlemania logo ever with that Cowboys star
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:13 PM
Really hope this is kayfabe.
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:13 PM
It doesn't mean Shane won't still get what he wants. He could give Vince back his "property" and then say he promised to give him back what was his, but he never said he'd give over the copies that he made. Vince gives in and Shane is the new manager of RAW.
Well that would be silly.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:14 PM
"I can't believe that crazy insane ridiculous spot!"
camera primed in perfect spot to catch the jump from below the table
Didn't Vince say all Shane had to do was have the match? Not necessarily win it? Either way, damn son.
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:14 PM
I respect Shane for doing that spot and all.....but spots like that just aren't as cool when you're not 14 anymore I guess. I just cringed more than anything.
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:14 PM
Youd think theyd be lifting the cell up while thiscwas going on
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:14 PM
Ok thumbs up is good.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:14 PM
Really hope this is kayfabe.
At worst hopefully it's just a precaution while they check him out backstage.
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:14 PM
Really hope this is kayfabe.
Thumbs up
Maluco
04-03-2016, 10:15 PM
All Vince said in the promo was that he had to have the match. I didn't watch enough to see if that was clarified afterwards...
Destor
04-03-2016, 10:16 PM
"I can't believe that crazy insane ridiculous spot!"
camera primed in perfect spot to catch the jump from below the tableits a work
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 10:16 PM
Didn't Vince say all Shane had to do was have the match? Not necessarily win it? Either way, damn son.
Don't think so. Pretty much was either Shane wins and gets hated by Vince or loses and gets disowned as options Vince gave story-wise.
rob11
04-03-2016, 10:16 PM
Nothing tonight has really blown me away. It's kinda been a paint by the numbers PPV. Some good matches, but it just seems to be missing something.
Ol Dirty Dastard
04-03-2016, 10:17 PM
Fun match. Enjoyed it for what it was, but kinda dumb at the same time. Cool bump by Shane, that cell looked so high.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:17 PM
Best rush through the battle royal.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:17 PM
its a work
lol obviously
just funny that they're trying to sell it as UNEXPECTED/CRAZY/ETC when everyone knew what was coming...
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:17 PM
Baron Corbin!
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:17 PM
Oh hey it's Baron Corbin.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:18 PM
I imagine this is probably Henry's last Mania.
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:18 PM
Sandow!
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:18 PM
ESPN has Sin Cara's ladder spot and the f5 on the chairs on their site.
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:18 PM
DDP :eek:
Baron Corbin makes his Mania debut :lol:
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:18 PM
DDP!
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:19 PM
DDP!
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:19 PM
Want a surprise here.
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 10:19 PM
:D DDP
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:19 PM
The power of DDP Yoga gives him one more match.
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
LOL Shaq
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
Get the fuck out of here!!
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
Shaq?
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
no pyro for DDP but cool
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
Ahahahaahhaa
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
What
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
Really? FFS.
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:20 PM
LOL Tatanka randomly in there
.................are you shitting me?
owenbrown
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
WHAT THE FUCK?!
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
:wtf: random Shaq apperance
poopfromweiner dude
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
DEMON KANE
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
Hes biggervthan the Big Show
Mercenary
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
Shaq?????
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
LOL WHAT!?
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
What the shit, is that Tatanka?
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
Holy shit Big Show looks small
owenbrown
04-03-2016, 10:21 PM
If Shaq wins this...
Random unannounced Tatanka.
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:22 PM
TATANKA!!!
Evil Vito
04-03-2016, 10:22 PM
Noted potential main eventer Fandango :(
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:22 PM
Shaq actually looks like he could wrestle
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:22 PM
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:22 PM
Wow. Really? Fuck you, WWE.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:23 PM
Shaq doin a good job!
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:24 PM
Tatanka better win this
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:24 PM
Wonder how many of these guys will work there this time next year?
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:24 PM
Baron Corbin for the win!!
Two of the main contestants have been eliminated
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:24 PM
So many guys other than the beloved Damien Sandow who could have been used for that spot.
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:24 PM
Also, still not Wyatts?
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:25 PM
"This is the third annual Andre battle royale!"
"Big Show eliminated, guaranteeing a first time winner!"
no mention of Cesaro at all :'(
Just noticed Baron Corbin in there.
James Steele
04-03-2016, 10:25 PM
I've enjoyed the show.
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:25 PM
They should have justvredone the gimmick battle royal from x7
Outsider
04-03-2016, 10:26 PM
This is basically the Royal Rumble for jobbers.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:26 PM
Henry's 100p winning this right?
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:26 PM
Couldn't DDP do a Kofi spot with all his yoga training
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:27 PM
"This is the third annual Andre battle royale!"
"Big Show eliminated, guaranteeing a first time winner!"
no mention of Cesaro at all :'(
He mentioned Cesaro winning 2 years ago before the match.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Noooo Tatanka is out :(
Droford
04-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Barin Corbin eliminates Tatanka
Lol
#1-norm-fan
04-03-2016, 10:27 PM
Also, still not Wyatts?
Yeah, wait. What the fuck.
Volare
04-03-2016, 10:27 PM
If Heath won this the crowd would pop.
road doggy dogg
04-03-2016, 10:28 PM
He mentioned Cesaro winning 2 years ago before the match.
oh good, missed that :love:
Barin Corbin eliminates Tatanka
If anyone predicted that for Tipsters, I'll give extra points.
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:28 PM
Why is Bo Dallas dressed like Kurt Angle?
Yeah, wait. What the fuck.
Main event interference.
"Anyone but you, Roman."
The Destroyer
04-03-2016, 10:29 PM
I can see the Social Outcasts imploding.
Crimson
04-03-2016, 10:29 PM
Lol Bo
JBL: "His butt would've exploded."
Byron: "I know what that's like."
Emperor Smeat
04-03-2016, 10:29 PM
:lol: victory lap during a battle royale
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