WRESTLEMANIA 32 TPWW *OFFICIAL* Thread

[Volare]

I'm smelling WM22 repeat here.

[Outsider]

It's a good thing I booked tomorrow morning off work. This is getting pretty late.

[Volare]

Roman trying to channel his inner Nash taunts.

[Locke]

Long Match Please

[Crimson]

Long Match Please

Why tho

[James Steele]

10 years ago, I had to suffer through HHH tapping out to loathed John Cena. Please don't make me sit through it again 10 years later with an even less over, less talented, and more hated superstar.

[GD]

Not sure why the WWE is trying to go against the deafening boos from the "record setting" crowd in attendance tonight. I would be thoroughly disappointed if Roman leaved tonight without turning.

[Locke]

Why tho
I want to see a 7 hour wrestlemania. Would be funny I think

[James Steele]

Double turn could be the only way Roman wins and it works. Dunno how they'd pull that off though.

[Triple A]

Feels like they "have to" turn Roman Reigns heel... having him just win the title outright seems like a disaster

[Crimson]

10 years ago, I had to suffer through HHH tapping out to loathed John Cena. Please don't make me sit through it again 10 years later with an even less over, less talented, and more hated superstar.

It'll be a spear this time

[KIRA]

THE REIGNING, DEFENDING, AND UNDISPUTED WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD...

THE CEREBRAL ASSASSIN...

THE KING OF KINGS...

THE GAME...

THE AUTHORITY...

THE GOD OF PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING...

TRIIIIIIIIPLEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAITCH!!!!!

I thought you'd be busy checking into the hospital for priapism

[Locke]

Why is an inverted atomic drop a legal move and not a low blow?

[The Destroyer]

Feels like they "have to" turn Roman Reigns heel... having him just win the title outright seems like a disaster
Really not going to manage that with Triple H booting him in the balls while Steph distracts the referee.

[GD]

10 years ago, I had to suffer through HHH tapping out to loathed John Cena. Please don't make me sit through it again 10 years later with an even less over, less talented, and more hated superstar.

Roman Reigns cannot hold a candle to Cena.

[The Destroyer]

Why is an inverted atomic drop a legal move and now a low blow?
Atomic drop is on the tailbone.

[Volare]

Steph take off your jacket.

[Maluco]

Austin/Rock finish possibly? Reigns going too far on the beat down and a handshake with Vince or Shane after the match?

[Outsider]

This is dull

[James Steele]

I thought you'd be busy checking into the hospital for priapism

This ain't my first rodeo, kid.

[slik]

Crowd here hates Roman

I loved HHH's entrance

[DAMN iNATOR]

HAHA, local sports guy starting weekend sports show holding a replica "winged" WWF/WWR Championship belt. :lol::y:

[Volare]

Austin/Rock finish possibly? Reigns going too far on the beat down and a handshake with Vince or Shane after the match?

Shane would peak my interest a bit.

[Exyle]

Last second theory: Ronda Rousey out to counteract Steph interference; WWE's last gasp to get Reigns cheered as the winner?

[Crimson]

So it seems the match of the night will go to the divas! Alright!

[James Steele]

How long they gonna overrun?

[Volare]

Get the fucking camera back on Steph if H isn't doing anything!!

[road doggy dogg]

Crowd here hates Roman

I loved HHH's entrance

entrance seemed like it would be real cool to see live, if a bit WTFish


how much are people booing Reigns? feels like they are muting crowd reaction a lot on TV

[James Steele]

Please let Triple H win...please please please?

[Maluco]

Something is definitely happening, they wouldn't be this confident going on last, or have HHH be all facey recently. There is no way they are finishing the night to 100,000 boos when there hasn't even been any previous big moments or peaks

[Outsider]

Something I never thought I'd type:

I wish this was as entertaining as the Women's title match.

[The Destroyer]

I just don't see what they can do to avoid it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Whatever's happening, I'm sure they'll find some way to fuck it up.

[Triple A]

This match is mad boring

[Crimson]

Is Seth healthy enough for an interference?

[rob11]

This is painful to watch.

[Locke]

Keep the match going baby

[Evil Vito]

The crowd is either bored or muted. I'm not sure which would be worse at this point.

[rob11]

NXT chants lol

[The Destroyer]

Is Seth healthy enough for an interference?
He's not due back til around Money In The Bank, but I suppose he could batter someone with the belt or whatever.

[slik]

Some people are leaving lol

[Outsider]

I just don't see what they can do to avoid it.

Exactly.

You'd need a massive return or debut and there just isn't anyone to fill that.



Bullet Club isn't well known enough to do it
Seth Rollins is still months away from progress
CM Punk is off limits


Only thing that could do it would be someone like Kurt Angle, and I just don't see that happening.

[road doggy dogg]

maybe because this has been on since 5pm but I'm not invested into this match at all

[GD]

I cannot care enough for this match.

[Droford]

Lol two empty frontvrow seats

[Purgatory]

Lol. Im pretty sure Reigns was just checking out the confetti on the floor to see if it was real.

[rockman725]

The crowd is either bored or muted. I'm not sure which would be worse at this point.

Definitely more muted. Seems like they really did lower the arena mics and what you are hearing are the tight local mics.

[Volare]

Roman could've been chopped into pieces and the crowd would cheer.

[slik]

entrance seemed like it would be real cool to see live, if a bit WTFish


how much are people booing Reigns? feels like they are muting crowd reaction a lot on TV

Roman is the most over heel here

[Purgatory]

The one "bill" there looled like it had Triple H's face on it.

[road doggy dogg]

Roman is the most over heel here

can you take phone video to give us an idea? would be interesting

crowd sound is VERY muted on tv

[James Steele]

PLEASE WIN TRIPLE H

[road doggy dogg]

that was an awesome spear through the barricade tho

[Crimson]

We need some Ole ole chants here guys

[The Destroyer]

Lol brief Nakamura chant.

[Droford]

Nakamura lol

[Outsider]

I'd love a 'boring' chant in a Wrestlemania main event. That would be great.

[Triple A]

snooze fest

[road doggy dogg]

We need some Ole ole chants here guys

ugh shut up

[James Steele]

TAP YOU LITTLE BITCH! TAP BITCH TAP

[Purgatory]

I hope this doesnt go much longer...

[Volare]

Rename that the boo bomb.

[James Steele]

New thread idea: Could Triple H and Shane McMahon fight in UFC?

[rob11]

This is getting near main event of WM9 bad. Okay, I take it back, not THAT bad but still pretty bad.

[The Destroyer]

Too old. Bellator would eat them up though.

[Purgatory]

Steph looks hot tho. Theres at least that

[Frank Drebin]

Is Seth healthy enough for an interference?

Hopefully he is and he bought one of those collectors MITB cases to cash in.

[Aikido]

I've never heard a place hate someone so much...It's deafening.....I feel bad for anyone trying to sleep in a 2 mile raidus....geeeeeez.....Something needs to happen if they want that boy to leave with the title and not have people scream bloody murder........

[Crimson]

ugh shut up

It's OK, the match will be over soon. Cheer up

[Locke]

James Steele seems pretty into the match.

[Outsider]

I wonder if Kevin Owens is ok?

[DAMN iNATOR]

This is getting near main event of WM9 bad. Okay, I take it back, not THAT bad but still pretty bad.

Soo...WORSE, then?

[Poit]

Heh, American Alpha chants.

[KIRA]

It weird being able to hear everything in a WM main event

[James Steele]

The match is fine, but it's swimming upstream against 100,000 people. It's like a movie with the wrong soundtrack.

[rob11]

It really does sound like the crowd outside of the ring area has been muted.

[Volare]

Ole!!

[Outsider]

Gable and Jordan chants. LOL.

[Droford]

Hopefully he is and he bought one of those collectors MITB cases to cash in.

The Stadium banned them though

[rob11]

It's OK, the match will be over soon. Cheer up
There they are lol

[Aikido]

Haha! There's your Ole` chant!

[Maluco]

This is getting near main event of WM9 bad. Okay, I take it back, not THAT bad but still pretty bad.

It's worse. It was bad booking, but at least Yoko and Bret were over and Hogan was a genuine star. Reigns should be nowhere near a match like this.

[James Steele]

DIE ROMAN DIE

[road doggy dogg]

really hate ole chants

[Frank Drebin]

I've been absent from posting for the last couple of hours.....best match of the night was Divas? Are we in agreement on that?

[slik]

Here u go RDD

https://twitter.com/thekentonlane/status/716832503630266368

[Poit]

The crowd just cheered for Steph. That's what this match has come to.

[James Steele]

Fuck, thought it was over.

[rob11]

Insane Steph bump!

[Frank Drebin]

Ole chants....gonna be a wave soon if they aren't careful

[Locke]

Go go go

[Outsider]

That woke the crowd up

[Poit]

Holy shit.

[GD]

It really does sound like the crowd outside of the ring area has been muted.

Indeed.

[The Destroyer]

Well, that woke them up.

[Volare]

Dammit dammit dammit!

[Triple A]

This is getting near main event of WM9 bad. Okay, I take it back, not THAT bad but still pretty bad.

Looking @ WrestleMania 9 stuff now

Crowd seems minuscule compared to this

http://i.imgur.com/zZblmYW.jpg

[James Steele]

Oh fudge! Spear to Stephnie

[Shisen Kopf]

OMG just end this match. Jesus.

[GD]

Oh fuck!

[Crimson]

Spear on Steph! Bah gawd!!

[James Steele]

FUCK I THIUGHT IT WAS OVER

[Aikido]

Crowd popped on that Steph spear though.....

[DAMN iNATOR]

Somebody just needs to tear a quad already.

[Aikido]

Obviously, they want Roman to be a bad guy..........

[Outsider]

Bayley chants now.

[The Destroyer]

Take it home, guys.

[Locke]

Kick out

Go to midnight

Go go go

[DAMN iNATOR]

OMG just end this match. Jesus.

Take it to the complaints thread.

[Droford]

Ugh

[Purgatory]

Steph took that spear like a champ!

[James Steele]

Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck my life. Don't end this way. Please...

[James Steele]

THERE IS STILL LIFE IN THE GAME!!!

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems like they are just throwing stuff to see what works with how this match has been going. Crowd's not falling for any of it though outside of the Steph spear spot.

[Volare]

Fuck yes hammer!!

[Frank Drebin]

I can't believe they're really just saying fuck it and allowing the crowd yo boo the face and/or not pay attention to the main event of Wrestlemania.

[road doggy dogg]

that steph bump... damn! she took that like a fucking boss. respect

[James Steele]

BUST HIS SKULL OPEN AND MAKE HIS HAIR INTO A SACRIFICE TO SHAWN MICHAELS

[Volare]

Damn.

[Droford]

Lol

[Evil Vito]

LOL piped in cheers. Pathetic.

[The Destroyer]

Wait, did he get cheered?

[James Steele]

Fuck all of you.

[Crimson]

Ahahahaha a spear!

[Frank Drebin]

Nails on the chalkboard everytime Cole screams "Superman Punch"

[rob11]

Wait, did he get cheered?
Piped in

[Purgatory]

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

[DAMN iNATOR]

If they were really going to go this long, they should've taken a look at what went so right with that Cena v. HBK Iron Man match from RAW several years ago.

[GD]

Wow! Did they pipe in chants? What the fuck?

[Frank Drebin]

If this is how the crowd reacts now, just imagine "the wildest crowd of the year" tomorrow.

[Maluco]

Can't believe that, pretty terrible match too. Not even an all out effort. Lacklustre

[road doggy dogg]

Let's focus on how awesome the women's match was?

[Aikido]

Wow, what deafening boos......Oh well, Pizza and a Bowl time....

[Frank Drebin]

Did they really pipe in cheers? Really?

[Volare]

I wonder if Roman legit fucked up his wrist.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: crowd barely caring right now and them pipping in cheers.

[owenbrown]

Can we arrest Vince McMahon and Roman Reigns for terrorism for this finish?

[GD]

Fuck Roman Reigns!

[Maluco]

My network is almost muted completely, crowd is making no noise apparently.

[Crimson]

Those outside fireworks are awesome tho.

[The Destroyer]

If this is how the crowd reacts now, just imagine "the wildest crowd of the year" tomorrow.
They are going to shit on it.

[GD]

Fuck Hunter for wanting to close the night.

[Frank Drebin]

Was this the worst WM main event ever from every standpoint top to bottom?

[rob11]

That was terrible. At least the bad WM's have the crowd mostly cheering at the end.

[GD]

Was this the worst WM main event ever from every standpoint top to bottom?

Wasn't Orton versus Triple H pretty meh?

[Locke]

lol at him going over clean

[Heyman]

I feel like I've already seen AJ Styles play Chris Jericho two times, why is this one differen?

I've been reading the live updates. Seems like a terrific PPV so far but I don't understand why Jericho is going over Styles. Only reason I can think of is the WWE are paying respects to Jericho's longevity and loyalty by giving him a Mania win.

You have to think that Styles will get the final victory at some point.

[Poit]

Fuck Hunter for wanting to close the night.

According to dirtsheets, etc., Triple H wanted Shane/Taker to main event. Vince was the one pushing for Triple H/Reigns to main event.

[Evil Vito]

The explosion of cheers when they counted three were so clearly piped in considering the crowd had been booing the shit out of Reigns just seconds earlier. Just garbage.

[GD]

They brought back the post Wrestlemania video package :love:

[Droford]

Ladder match was good
Womens mstch was good
Styles and Jericho was good

Everything else was meh or worse and although it was bad Corbin winning tge battle royal could be a bright spot

[James Steele]

Fuck Hunter for wanting to close the night.

Reports had HHH wanting Taker/Shane going on last. He knew this shit was going to happen.

[GD]

According to dirtsheets, etc., Triple H wanted Shane/Taker to main event. Vince was the one pushing for Triple H/Reigns to main event.

Ah :y:

[road doggy dogg]

It blows my mind how 2 hours of Takeover was exponentially more enjoyable than near-7 hours of Wrestlemania

[DAMN iNATOR]

I've been reading the live updates. Seems like a terrific PPV so far but I don't understand why Jericho is going over Styles. Only reason I can think of is the WWE are paying respects to Jericho's longevity and loyalty by giving him a Mania win.

You have to think that Styles will get the final victory at some point.

But he lost to fucking FANDANGO like 3 years ago at WM in his WM debut, and they can't let Styles do the same?!

[KIRA]

Oh man The revisionist history on this one......

[James Steele]

A lot of good matches. Vince's refusal to accept Roman is the drizzling shits is what killed this show.

[Frank Drebin]

Just....wow....I can't believe they just said "fuck the crowd" this is what we're doing.

Did they think Shaq and a surprise Zack Ryder win 8 hours ago would satisfy the crowd?

[Locke]

Watching the hell in a cell match

They showed shane mcmahon being carted out so I assume he loses

I hit "start from beginning" on wwe network and it brought me to the middle of this match

[Emperor Smeat]

The explosion of cheers when they counted three were so clearly piped in considering the crowd had been booing the shit out of Reigns just seconds earlier. Just garbage.

Was a bit funny that there were people cheering but WWE being too quick with the muting or crowd noise lowering got rid of those. Just a bunch of people front row doing the cheering motions but barely any sounds coming out.

[Maluco]

The guy is cardboard, nothing original about him, from his attire, to his moveset, to his sludgy music. He hasn't shown any real personality or defined character and yet here he is grinning at the end of the biggest night of the year

[DAMN iNATOR]

It blows my mind how 2 hours of Takeover was exponentially more enjoyable than near-7 hours of Wrestlemania

Quality, not quantity.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

this was a show which needed a lot of bells and whistles and didn't really get any. That main event while not terrible by any stretch was exactly what you'd expect to happen by booking the match like that and putting it on last.

[James Steele]

Cena was actually the legit #1 face in 04-05. Reigns was never ever even legit over on his own.

[Heyman]

So like, if they want to have this WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT where they bury someone to put Rock and Cena over... why not use Tatanka or DDP or any of that "type" of guy for that spot? Don't ruin the Wyatts...

One can argue that the Wyatt's getting screen time with The Rock and Cena outweighed the squash.

Bigger picture here folks. Wyatt's are already over, and are capable of being credibly re-pushed in the future.

[owenbrown]

GODDAMMIT I HOPE ROMAN GETS A 30 DAY SUSPENSION TOMORROW NIGHT

[DAMN iNATOR]

Oh man The revisionist history on this one......

Hey! It was the best WM of all-time until the night after WM 33 next year when IT becomes the best of all-time! :shifty:

[road doggy dogg]

I dunno about that. I'm inclined to agree with the notion but this isn't the first time they've been "derailed" like this. At some point they need to win over someone credible.

[Frank Drebin]

Ok....now that you all hate what you've just watched, pay for it every month and don't cancel. Noelle Foley is hot. Isn't that worth it??

[Crimson]

Looking @ WrestleMania 9 stuff now

Crowd seems minuscule compared to this

http://i.imgur.com/zZblmYW.jpg

Wow what a difference.

[GD]

I've been reading the live updates. Seems like a terrific PPV so far but I don't understand why Jericho is going over Styles. Only reason I can think of is the WWE are paying respects to Jericho's longevity and loyalty by giving him a Mania win.

You have to think that Styles will get the final victory at some point.

Both men have two victories over each other. I guess their fifth meeting at Extreme Rules might be the final chapter in their rivalry.

[DAMN iNATOR]

this was a show which needed a lot of bells and whistles and didn't really get any. That main event while not terrible by any stretch was exactly what you'd expect to happen by booking the match like that and putting it on last.

Of course it wasn't terrible. That would be disrespectful to the definition of the word.

[road doggy dogg]

I can kind of sympathize with the Jericho win in that regard as well, however. Jericho has done nothing but put people over for the past few years, to the point that beating him almost means nothing now. Winning a WM match gives him some credibility back. AJ Styles is a pretty big star and he wasn't buried and he doesn't have a long backlog of losing a bunch of feuds etc, so this loss doesn't hurt him that much. I can see the justification for it, even if I don't agree with it

[RaginRonic]

WWE WrestleMania 32 is the 1st time that Triple H has walked into WM as WWE World Heavyweight Champion and LOST the title to his opponent.

The former 'Big Gold' World Title, that was the WCW World Title, is discounted, because that was not WWE's home-grown world title, when the championship was known as the WWWF World Heavyweight Championship upon creation in 1963.

So, bye bye to H's unbeaten WWE World Title run at WrestleMania, courtesy Roman Reigns.

And fuck you, Little Jimmy.

;)

[Outsider]

Almost exclusively terrible:

Ladder match: Fine, but weird to end it by putting it on someone who hadn't be hyped at all
Jericho/Styles: Fine again, but a weird decision to job AJ
League of Nations/New Day: Just embarrassed for the four in the LoNs. Waste of talent
Lesnar/Ambrose: So short and anti-climatic
Women's Match: Highlight, best match by far
Undertaker/Shane: A couple of good spots but not that entertaining
Battle Royale: Happy with ending in otherwise dull match
The Rock and Wyatt segement: Killing one of the WWEs best potential assets
Reigns/HHH: Booking decisions aside, was also a fucking dull match

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

sorry the only bell and whistle was shane vs undertaker but whatever, everyone knew shane would do that shit, and at the end of it, what do you really have?

[James Steele]

This is similar to WM22 and WM23. Great show overall, but the wrong guy won the main event and sours the whole experience.

[Outsider]

And whole event just had a weird vibe about it.

Just didn't work.

[KIRA]

Ok....now that you all hate what you've just watched, pay for it every month and don't cancel. Noelle Foley is hot. Isn't that worth it??


To be fair I didn't pay a thing that said 3 of those matches I'd have gladly paid for well 3 1/2

[DAMN iNATOR]

This is similar to WM22 and WM23. Great show overall, but the wrong guy won the main event and sours the whole experience.

Yeah, honestly thought Shawn was going over at 23.

[James Steele]

Brock/Ambrose should have gotten more time. They were clearly weren't in a rush.

[#1-norm-fan]

So that was THE BIGGEST WRESTLEMANIA OF ALL TIMES.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This show felt like a longer version of fastlane except not as good because they main event wasn't as good.

[Corndad]

Takeover > Raw tomorrow > Mania

My guess that will be the final verdict when all is said and done. Can't see Ryder being champ past tomorrow night .

Really didn't get AJ or Sasha losing decisions but who knows maybe all corrected tomorrow night as well.

Shanes bump was sick but rest of match was meh.

Ambrose / Brock deserved more time then the Battle Royal.

Women had match of night by a mile.

[Heyman]

Almost exclusively terrible:

Ladder match: Fine, but weird to end it by putting it on someone who hadn't be hyped at all
Jericho/Styles: Fine again, but a weird decision to job AJ
League of Nations/New Day: Just embarrassed for the four in the LoNs. Waste of talent
Lesnar/Ambrose: So short and anti-climatic
Women's Match: Highlight, best match by far
Undertaker/Shane: A couple of good spots but not that entertaining
Battle Royale: Happy with ending in otherwise dull match
The Rock and Wyatt segement: Killing one of the WWEs best potential assets
Reigns/HHH: Booking decisions aside, was also a fucking dull match

Strange to read so many negative comments on here.

Reading the live updates, I figured the PPV was pretty good?!

I disagree with people being upset over LON's and the Wyatt's. Any time you get air time with a Stone Cold, Foley, HBK, Rocky, Cena, etc., you are getting a gift.

I agree with Road Doggy Dogg that the Wyatt's have been in this instance one too many times, but it will be easy to repush them/re-establish credibility if the WWE so chooses it.

Why aren't more people happy to see Ryder going over big time?.........or that Kalisto guy getting a solid win over Ryback?

Can't please em' all?

[#1-norm-fan]

I disagree with people being upset over LON's and the Wyatt's. Any time you get air time with a Stone Cold, Foley, HBK, Rocky, Cena, etc., you are getting a gift.

Oh come on... lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Strange to read so many negative comments on here.

Reading the live updates, I figured the PPV was pretty good?!

I disagree with people being upset over LON's and the Wyatt's. Any time you get air time with a Stone Cold, Foley, HBK, Rocky, Cena, etc., you are getting a gift.

I agree with Road Doggy Dogg that the Wyatt's have been in this instance one too many times, but it will be easy to repush them/re-establish credibility if the WWE so chooses it.

Why aren't more people happy to see Ryder going over big time?.........or that Kalisto guy getting a solid win over Ryback?

Can't please em' all?

It came across bland. Some stuff was cool, but after watching takeover dallas, this shit just seems so out of date.

[Exyle]

Legitimately conflicted. Serious question: it seems like the only way to really voice dissatisfaction would be to cancel the network, but NXT is great and deserves support, as do a lot of main roster talent. Do we just bend over and take a Reigns-dominated future because other things are good?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Takeover > Raw tomorrow > Mania

My guess that will be the final verdict when all is said and done. Can't see Ryder being champ past tomorrow night .

Really didn't get AJ or Sasha losing decisions but who knows maybe all corrected tomorrow night as well.

Shanes bump was sick but rest of match was meh.

Ambrose / Brock deserved more time then the Battle Royal.

Women had match of night by a mile.

You, my friend, are in for a huge surprise.

[#1-norm-fan]

Any time you're getting squashed by someone you're not getting over.

[#1-norm-fan]

Women had match of night by a mile.

Meh. Thought AJ vs Jericho was a better match.

[Locke]

Damn so they were on the verge of having a "new regime" control raw (even though it would have just been the same peeps booking the show even if Shane McMahon had won) and the worst guy ever in probably his long term run as WWE World Heavyweight Champion... seems really really bad

[Heyman]

Oh come on... lol

Back in 2012, DX destroyed Damien Sandow on the 1000th episode but it actually helped Sandow (albeit, briefly).

[road doggy dogg]

"Bootrition" facts on the giant Booty O's box... this is awesome

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfKCBQbUYAEpt4p.jpg

[James Steele]

Wyatt has been squashed 3 years in a row at WrestleMania.

[KIRA]

I'm glad I finally get to say the Womens title match on the main roster on the biggiest PPV stole this show.
That is the only light here


You won't know that tho after Vince's minions edit this show to make Reigns look like fucking Daniel Bryan.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Will definitely be on the lookout for W<SUP>3</SUP>'s ("Wrestling With Wregret") post-WM 32 reaction video later today.

[Heyman]

Any time you're getting squashed by someone you're not getting over.

Screen time with top legends in the business is better than no screen time at all.

Who would you have rather been tonight? Bray Wyatt or Jack Swagger?

[Emperor Smeat]

Mania felt odd overall at least for me. Lots of odd booking decisions but the show itself wasn't terrible nor was it great. Also didn't feel like the extra hour was worth it for the show.

Didn't have that feeling of being a big surprise in goodness from an awful Road to Mania like last year.

IC ladder match might have been the best match from start to finish tonight.

[#1-norm-fan]

Back in 2012, DX destroyed Damien Sandow on the 1000th episode but it actually helped Sandow (albeit, briefly).

It helped him? Because I remember him completely changing gimmicks soon after. Unless there was an explanation that the beatdown turned him retarded and made him go from a genius to a guy who just impersonates people, I don't think it helped him.

[Mercenary]

So glad all this young talent got over tonight......

[Droford]

So that was THE BIGGEST WRESTLEMANIA OF ALL TIMES.

Next year will be the most magical

[#1-norm-fan]

Screen time with top legends in the business is better than no screen time at all.

Who would you have rather been tonight? Bray Wyatt or Jack Swagger?

So you're reasoning is basically "At least he's not Jack Swagger!"?

[Shadrick]

Any time you're getting squashed by someone you're not getting over.


One exception....




http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/Buzzer/Images/2016/02/08/daniel-bryan.vresize.1200.675.high.7.jpg

[Droford]

So glad all this young talent got over tonight......

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[road doggy dogg]

Trying to focus on the positives, the best parts of the night to me were:


IC ladder match was aight. Ryder winning is a cool moment though I thought it was a weird booking decision based on his total last minute addition and all

Women's match: was great. Not a fan of Flair being involved in the decision. Let Charlotte be get her own heat, she's capable

Corbin winning the battle royale

that spear on Steph (and Steph's attire in general, smokeshow)

AJ/Jericho was a good match, don't fully agree with Jericho going over but hell he's jobbed to everyone lately so it's good to get him a "big game" win. AJ will recover from it

New Day's entrance

Austin 'ell yeah

Rock's jokes about Wyatt family were funny even if the segment sucked and buried them

[James Steele]

Interested to see where they go for Extreme Rules. What will The Authority do? AJ/Jericho 5, Women's division going forward, Cena returns?, Shane gonna disappear? Ryder with title, KO vs Zayn on the big stage, etc.

[#1-norm-fan]

Next year will be the most magical

I don't know. This year was pretty magical. They made cheers come out of thin air.

[Heyman]

Wyatt has been squashed 3 years in a row at WrestleMania.

Has he really been 'squashed', or do the WWE see a red flag in him which is preventing them from pushing him to the heights that they want?

You can't just push someone because it looks good on paper?

In 2004 - none of us could understand why Randy Orton's push was derailed so quickly after his Summerslam victory. In the year's following, he was also held a step below the likes of Cena. No one could figure out why.

As it turned out, Orton was a huge dick backstage and was extremely immature. He didn't have the leadership qualities needed to be a leader in the lockerroom.

Perhaps in Wyatt's case, perhaps he has a few holes in his wrestling?

[Mike Honcho]

Once again, Vince proving that the current roster is no comparison to the attitude Era retirees.

[Vastardikai]

So glad all this young talent got over tonight......

I said about the same thing last year, sarcastically.

[asphyXy]

Worst Mania ever. Holy shit.

[Droford]

Worst Mania ever. Holy shit.

Not by a long shot

[#1-norm-fan]

Has he really been 'squashed', or do the WWE see a red flag in him which is preventing them from pushing him to the heights that they want?

You can't just push someone because it looks good on paper?

In 2004 - none of us could understand why Randy Orton's push was derailed so quickly after his Summerslam victory. In the year's following, he was also held a step below the likes of Cena. No one could figure out why.

As it turned out, Orton was a huge dick backstage and was extremely immature. He didn't have the leadership qualities needed to be a leader in the lockerroom.

Perhaps in Wyatt's case, perhaps he has a few holes in his wrestling?

... Roman Reigns just won the world title...

[road doggy dogg]

Has he really been 'squashed', or do the WWE see a red flag in him which is preventing them from pushing him to the heights that they want?

You can't just push someone because it looks good on paper?

In 2004 - none of us could understand why Randy Orton's push was derailed so quickly after his Summerslam victory. In the year's following, he was also held a step below the likes of Cena. No one could figure out why.

As it turned out, Orton was a huge dick backstage and was extremely immature. He didn't have the leadership qualities needed to be a leader in the lockerroom.

Perhaps in Wyatt's case, perhaps he has a few holes in his wrestling?

all of this sounds logical and understandable but then you look at the main event that just happened

Wyatt has flaws of course, but Reigns has shown nothing that warrants him getting the push he has

(hence every single person's problem with the whole affair)

[DAMN iNATOR]

Worst Mania ever. Holy shit.

THERE it is!

[Heyman]

So you're reasoning is basically "At least he's not Jack Swagger!"?

I'm just saying that screen time is better than no screen time, and air-time with main event legends is better than air time with mid-carders.

League of Nations, New Day, and the Wyatt Family were picked for Austin, HBK, Foley, Cena, and Rocky for a reason.

But hey - if you think you know more than the WWE, the more power to you. :y:

[Frank Drebin]

I get what Heyman is saying and I agree with it in a vacuum - being featured every week is the goal. However, at some point you can't just be a side piece all the time or you won't be featured every week. You need to evolve in some manner.

[Frank Drebin]

Bottom line for tonight's show is the standard WWE: One step forward, two steps back.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm just saying that screen time is better than no screen time, and air-time with main event legends is better than air time with mid-carders.

League of Nations, New Day, and the Wyatt Family were picked for Austin, HBK, Foley, Cena, and Rocky for a reason.

But hey - if you think you know more than the WWE, the more power to you. :y:

Yeah, WWE's booking decisions are always top notch because they're WWE. Forgot.

I think giving a diva a farting gimmick is fucking stupid, too. But it's CLEARLY genius because WWE knows better than me.

[Simple Fan]

Ok show. Takeover was better. Didn't see Kalisto/Ryback but don't think I missed anything. AJ/Jericho was good, not sure if the feud continues or not. New Day/ LoN was what is was just a set up for the legends. Women had the best match of the show I think. Brock and Ambrose was short but good. Think Corbin still need time in NXT but I'd say he's moving up after tonight. Taker promised blood and there was no blood but a pretty good match. Reigns winning was pretty predictable.

[Evil Vito]

Is Heyman revealing that he's actually The CyNick? I think he is.

[road doggy dogg]

Kalisto/Ryback was a very vanilla match. Honestly felt like a dark match (which in a way it kind of was)

[Frank Drebin]

Tomorrow's crowd is going to be foaming at the mouth to let them know how they feel.

[Heyman]

all of this sounds logical and understandable but then you look at the main event that just happened

Wyatt has flaws of course, but Reigns has shown nothing that warrants him getting the push he has

(hence every single person's problem with the whole affair)

Granted, I didn't watch the show.

However - why have guys like Paul Heyman, Steve Austin, etc. all had interviews stating that Reigns is a very good wrestler?

Guys like Heyman and Austin point to the fact that the WWE need to let Reigns act more naturally on the mic, etc., as opposed to critiquing his wrestling. Austin advocates a heel turn for Reigns, but flat out states that Reigns' "brings it" from the wrestling side of things.

Guys like Paul Heyman and Austin always tell it like it is.

[Frank Drebin]

Also, I have no problems with Jericho beating Styles.

[road doggy dogg]

https://fat.gfycat.com/CheerfulRipeKob.gif

and good night

[owenbrown]

Bottom line for tonight's show is the standard WWE: One step forward, two steps back.

two steps back seems way too conservative to me

[Heyman]

Tomorrow's crowd is going to be foaming at the mouth to let them know how they feel.

More the reason to have Reigns' finish off the show as champ.

Controversy sells.

Kudos to the WWE for responding correctly to the trollish fans.

[Shadrick]

Granted, I didn't watch the show.

However - why have guys like Paul Heyman, Steve Austin, etc. all had interviews stating that Reigns is a very good wrestler?

Guys like Heyman and Austin point to the fact that the WWE need to let Reigns act more naturally on the mic, etc., as opposed to critiquing his wrestling. Austin advocates a heel turn for Reigns, but flat out states that Reigns' "brings it" from the wrestling side of things.

Guys like Paul Heyman and Austin always tell it like it is.

I understand their opinions have more weight because their perspective is MUCH more informed than ours, but it's still just their opinion, so I personally can't say they "tell it like it is" but more so "they tell it how they feel it is"

edit: also, Im not saying I disagree with them, or with you.

[road doggy dogg]

Granted, I didn't watch the show.

However - why have guys like Paul Heyman, Steve Austin, etc. all had interviews stating that Reigns is a very good wrestler?

Guys like Heyman and Austin point to the fact that the WWE need to let Reigns act more naturally on the mic, etc., as opposed to critiquing his wrestling. Austin advocates a heel turn for Reigns, but flat out states that Reigns' "brings it" from the wrestling side of things.

Guys like Paul Heyman and Austin always tell it like it is.

I'm sure he is capable, but the way the WWE has packaged him has given the crowd no reason to care whether or not he is a decent wrestler.

If he needs a mouthpiece, then give him one. When he was with the Shield, he was "shielded" (ha ha!) from having to speak because Rollins did the talking and he was just "the muscle" and it worked.

If they have to go the Heyman/Lesnar route with him, then friggin' do it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Tomorrow's crowd is going to be foaming at the mouth to let them know how they feel.

That's actually what I was looking forward to tonight. The crowd just shitting on Reigns. They ended up being way more apathetic than I expected though. Which is much worse.

Though that could have been WWE fucking with the audio since apparently a lot of people were saying they heard piped in cheers and weird audio changes.

[Droford]

For some crazy reason i want to see Reigns vs Corbin. Probably get KO vs Reigns first

[Heyman]

I'm sure he is capable, but the way the WWE has packaged him has given the crowd no reason to care whether or not he is a decent wrestler.

If he needs a mouthpiece, then give him one. When he was with the Shield, he was "shielded" (ha ha!) from having to speak because Rollins did the talking and he was just "the muscle" and it worked.

If they have to go the Heyman/Lesnar route with him, then friggin' do it.

I can agree with that.

You can turn Reigns heel and give him a mouthpiece.

For some reason, the guy I have in mind is Eric Bischoff but I realize that this will never happen.

Would be pretty cool to see Bischoff being Reigns' manager, and then having them go up against a face Lesnar/Heyman at some point.

[owenbrown]

https://fat.gfycat.com/CheerfulRipeKob.gif

and good night

That might just be the best sell of the Stunner ever... even better than The Rock

[Frank Drebin]

More the reason to have Reigns' finish off the show as champ.

Controversy sells.

Kudos to the WWE for responding correctly to the trollish fans.

I don't think that's what's going on. First, fans aren't trolling. They're vocalizing their displeasure with the show and product in general. Part of the perils of a live audience.

Second, they have a business to run. If the customer hates the current product they are at greater risk of cancelling. They are lucky the cost is so low, otherwise people would be much more willing to cancel. God help them if they decide to increase the price even two dollars in its current state.

[GD]

Awww....

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[Mercenary]

Match of the night: The women's title match

[Heyman]

That might just be the best sell of the Stunner ever... even better than The Rock

And more importantly, was a solid "Wrestlemania moment."

It baffles me that people think the League of Nations will not benefit in any way from this experience. To each their own I guess.

[KIRA]

Awww....

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[Jordan]

Well the ladder match was super exciting with some brutal spots and an awesome finish.

Jericho/AJ seemed off to me, just like all of their matches. Jericho has lost a step or two and it shows so bad.

New Day/Lads was fun, and the finish was pretty cool. HBK looked awesome.

Women's match was really good, one of the best matches on the show.

Shane/Taker was boring to me. That spot was stupid and I'm sorry to say, makes Shane look like a fucking idiot.

Lesnar/Ambrose was your generic WWE street fight, major let down for me.

Battle Royal was cool for Shaq but then the rest was lame.

Main event was carried by Triple H being fucking increadible, but ruined by the obvious choice.

Overall, I'd say the worst Wrestlemania in a LONG time. Usually there is at least one match that is four stars or over, I'd say maybe the ladder match is 4 stars.

[Frank Drebin]

I would just like to know the rational behind why they went with that main event. If they have a plan and have done market research and determined that this is the best way because Roman tests well with whatever their target audience is, then I at least would understand where their heads are at. If it's just Vince and some yes men in a room saying "Roman has got the look, he's the guy. I just know it," then anyone who owns stock should be selling asap.

[Lock Jaw]

Sup Dawgs?

I know you all missed my presence/presents here in this thread tonight. Had a Co-Worker over to watch Mania, and thus was not actively posting.

Thought overall it was an "a'ight" show. Lots of strange decisions (Ryder winning, New Day Losing, Ambrose once again looking ineffective) but overall the matches were good.

Best match was probably the Women's Match..... Shane/Taker good too, but felt that was more due to "big stunts".....

[Hanso Amore]

Shane and taker couldn't go last. You couldn't end wrestlemania with Shane being stretchered out.

[Frank Drebin]

If you had told me during the Kelly Kelly era that the best match of a WM was going to be a woman's match, I would have thrown you out of a window for saying such blasphemy. Yet, here we are.

[Frank Drebin]

Everyone should go watch Shinsuke Nakamura ' s entrance 5 or 29 times and meet back here after for some better vibes.

[Rammsteinmad]

After Raw I'm gonna take off for a while and give wrestling a break. I've been watching for 23 years, and it "breaks my heart" not to follow the product, but I think I'm just worn out and not interested anymore.

The ladder match was good... but seeing multi-man ladder matches every year has kinda gotten dull. I feel like we're not really getting anything new any more. And when Miz climbed the ladder two minutes into the match, was on the third rung and didn't hop down when the ladder was tipped over... come on please, a bit of realism would be nice. Ryder winning was an amazing surprise, but I doubt it'll go anywhere. Was probably done for the "miracle ending" feel-good moment. Ryder will likely lose it tonight.

Styles vs. Jericho was good. I don't mind Jericho winning, as AJ will still get a rub from this.

New Day vs. League of Nations was alright for what it was. New Day are so over it's insane. Didn't like the post match stuff though. I'm sure if I was in the stadium I'd mark the fuck out hearing the glass shatter or the car crash, but when you're seeing it on TV for the millionth time it's so boring and just doesn't excite me anymore. Four guys in their prime couldn't handle a limping Mick Foley, an HBK who hasn't wrestled in six years or a fat, out of shape Austin who looked as though he could barely do the Stunner.

A decent drawn-out program puts guys over. Foley's feud with Orton helped Orton in 2004 because it showcased what Orton could bring to the table. Even if Orton has lost the feud, he'd have benefited from the program. But out-of-shape, old legends coming back and just squashing young guys in their primes doesn't really put anyone over, and it's been done so many times.

Lesnar vs. Ambrose was going well, but kinda ended way too soon and seemed pretty tame and uneventful. A HUGE let down. Was hoping Ambrose would really push Lesnar to the limit, but off the top of my head right now I can barely remember any spots.

Women's title match...

If you have told me during the Kelly Kelly era that the best match of a WM was going to be a woman's match, I would have thrown you out of a window for saying such blasphemy. Yet, here we are.

Brilliant match! Fast-paced, action-packed with some fun spots and a real competitive vibe. Have never given a fuck about the "divas", but this was the best match of the night. Well done women!

Hell in a Cell was alright but would have been better ten years ago. I really want Undertaker to fuck off but nope, I fear we have a few more years of fat 'Taker matches.

Battle Royal... meh.

Main event... absolute bullshit. Boring as fuck. Triple H is only as good as the guy he's working with, and Reigns is, well... Reigns.

I'm bored of Wrestlemania squash matches for the sake of trying to break records. I'm tired of legends always coming back and squashing modern talent. The Rock's shit goes down the same every time... his words towards Bray Wyatt and the inevitable beating the Wyatts would get (and the League of Nations stuff) reads as "you're good. You've got the talent, the charisma... but you'll never be better than the Attitude Era guys". The Wyatts aren't gonna get any kind of rub from this, it's been done so many times now. I'm bored.

I'll watch Raw, post-Mania shows are usually the best shows of the year, but if something holy batshit crazy insane doesn't happen to excite me, I'm gonna take a few months off and maybe I'll get more interested again. So disappointed.

[Tom Guycott]

You should watch Takeover as a palate cleanser before your hiatus, Rammy.

Or, at least, Zayn/Nakamura from entrances to pinfall.

[BigCrippyZ]

I don't have an issue with the Foley/HBK/Austin bit with LON. Mainly because outside of Barrett (who's apparently leaving soon) Rusev, Alberto and Sheamus all have the combined charisma of wet towels. Sure, they're all solid hands in the ring, but for as long as they've been around, none of them (outside of MAYBE Barret) have even a hint of future main eventer in them.

[Rammsteinmad]

Why aren't more people happy to see Ryder going over big time?.........or that Kalisto guy getting a solid win over Ryback?

Can't please em' all?

In the case of Kalisto, and kind of related to your theory of sharing air-time with legends, I think it's more a case of the quality of what we're seeing, rather than the fact we're seeing it.

Kalisto has two wins over Ryback now, clean. Should be a big deal, but nobody really gives a fuck because the matches were pretty boring. I like both guys, but long matches do not favor Ryback, especially when his opponent is a midget who he should be eating for breakfast.

Likewise for Kalisto, they would probably be able to showcase him better, working in matches where he can fly around a bit and show what he can do, rather than going in matches with guys who's matches shouldn't last more than two minutes.

As for the legends thing, it's like I said above about Foley/Orton. Even if Orton had lost that feud in 2004, it'd have showcased what he could do and give him some legit exposure. Being squashed by a legend can have it's place, but when it happens EVERY FUCKING TIME it's basically saying "you'll never be as good as the Attitude Era guys". Just for once, I'd love to see Rock or Austin or someone get in a guy like Bray Wyatt's face, and for Wyatt to just hit the Sister Abigail and walk off, without being made to look like a bitch.