Survivor Series 11/20/16: Fantasy Warfare, Bragging Rights, and a Lucha Thing

[Savio]

Wut

[Theo Dious]

The fuck

[Volare]

THIS IS FUCKING GREAT!!

[Outsider]

HOLY SHIT.

[Dark One]

Brock losing in 30 seconds after the last three years would be fucking hilarious.

[Gerard]

What the fuck...

[Droford]

Jeeeeezuuuuuus chrrrrrrrìiiiiist

[Triple A]

wtf

[RP]

What?

[Poit]

There are... 40 more minutes in this PPV.

[RP]

uhhhh what

[Mercenary]

wtf was that!

[Theo Dious]

Wut

[Emperor Smeat]

:rofl:

[Dark One]

Brock losing in 30 seconds after the last three years would be fucking hilarious.

Well.

[KIRA]

What

[Volare]

FUCKING......WOW!!

[Triple A]

Feels like Goldberg prob "demanded" that he destroy Brock Lesnar in 2 mins as the only way he would ever come back for a match and they agreed cause they wanted to promote WWF 2k

[Lock Jaw]

Good way to end the 3 years of building Brock Lesnar as an unstoppable Beast.

Can't think of a better way to end it.

[Dark One]

It's nice to see Dark One having the will 2 live again while watching a WWE event (if only temporarily)

That will to live has left.

[Poit]

Brock losing in 30 seconds after the last three years would be fucking hilarious.

:lol:

[Gerard]

Well, now we know why the other matches were padded out so much with stare downs and long drawn out entrances etc.

[RP]

This is fucking dumb

[KIRA]

We've seen Brock take a fuck ton of punishment and a spear from a 50 yr old goldberg ends him WTF

[Theo Dious]

WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST SEE

[Outsider]

Wonder how much Goldberg got paid for that five minutes of work?

[Savio]

Spear the kid!

[RP]

This might be the dumbest thing i've ever seen

[Locke]

0wned

[Lock Jaw]

Ha Ha @ Goldberg "unceremoniously" dumping his son into the ring

[RP]

Why does his son have no shirt on? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW??

[Theo Dious]

Are we going to find out tomorrow that Lesnar failed a drug test?

[Triple A]

Why his kid take off his shirt

[Lock Jaw]

WWE Story Time using the Stranger Things font/logo

[Dark One]

That's the end? Holy shit.

[RP]

LOL what in the fuck. I might be done with this shit.

[Emperor Smeat]

So Goldberg becomes the new Final Boss and does what WWE messed up doing by giving the real Streak Killing rub to someone at Mania?

Or they just have Goldberg-Lesnar III at Mania for no real reason.

[Triple A]

Why does his son have no shirt on? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW??

lol

[KIRA]

GOD now we can watch the two "great clashes" between these men back to back

Thank you WWE!

[Dark One]

Truly a great payoff to three years of Brock Lesnar being unstoppable and killing people left and right.

[RP]

Goldberg better have terminal cancer and thats why they just did that.

[Dark One]

Gonna go watch Gargano/Ciampa vs. Revival again.

Truly a five star match. Should have just showed that for four hours.

[Evil Vito]

Roflllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Theo Dious]

I'm glad the elimination matches were good cause fuck that was an awful ending.

[KIRA]

The way they've been promoting it I'm surprised they didn't just cut to WWE 2k17 gameplay for this match

Come to think of it that might have been the best thing for this match just have Brock and Goldberg play the game as themselves

I hate to say I told you so but...

[rob11]

WTF was that?!?!?! Someone had to have called an audible.

[Dark One]

I rate tonight's show 1 Vomiting Titus out of 5.

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[Dark One]

WTF was that?!?!?! Someone had to have called an audible.

You underestimate the depths to which WWE's booking can go.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Crowd was into it and Goldberg wouldn't have been able to do much more. This is what got Goldberg over in the first place.

At the end of the day there's no point in bringing the guy in if you're just going to expose him when you can use him to his fullest potential.

[Dark One]

There was definitely not enough Oxy in this world for this show.

[Evil Vito]

Think anybody who predicted a clean Goldberg win in Tipsters has inside sources.

#conspiracy

[Gerard]

Well, has to be said, nobody seen that coming which makes it a bit different to say the least.

[Dark One]

James Ellsworth lasted longer against Braun Strowman than Brock Lesnar did against Goldberg.

[Lock Jaw]

Truly a great payoff to three years of Brock Lesnar being unstoppable and killing people left and right.

I know, right?!

[Savio]

What match was better their 1st match or their 2nd match?

[Dark One]

Brooklyn Brawler has more pins on Triple H than Brock Lesnar does on Goldberg.

[Dark One]

Titus O'Neil has more championship reigns than Brock Lesnar has wins on Goldberg.

[rob11]

You underestimate the depths to which WWE's booking can go.
I thought I did. I guess I was wrong. Well....MINUS 5 STARS!

Maffew is loving this.

[Emperor Smeat]

Wonder if Shane getting legit KOed played a role in what was planned for the main event.

Sheets did tease at something big planned to set up Mania and no way it can be Lesnar-Goldberg III after what just happened.

[RP]

Why the fuck did Goldbergs son have no shirt on??? Can someone tell me what was happening there?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So you guys wanted to see a long match out of Goldberg? lol

[Dark One]

Vince McMahon vs. Crippled Bret Hart in 2010 lasted longer than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg in 2016.

[Volare]

James Ellsworth lasted longer against Braun Strowman than Brock Lesnar did against Goldberg.

Bryan must point this out on Talking Smack.

[Locke]

Better than last year's Survivor Series.....

[Dark One]

Billy Corgan vs. Dixie Carter in a court room was a more entertaining fight than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[Dark One]

The average Undertaker entrance was longer than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[Dark One]

Vince Russo has more WCW Championship reigns than Brock Lesnar has wins over Goldberg.

[CSL]

Wonder if Shane getting legit KOed played a role in what was planned for the main event.

Sheets did tease at something big planned to set up Mania and no way it can be Lesnar-Goldberg III after what just happened.

can't think of a better way to set up Brock/Goldberg III at Mania TEE BEE AITCH

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This was definitely the right move. I hate Vince, but this was it. Everyone's chirps on how long the match was proves it if anything.

[Dark One]

A car window has a better record against Goldberg than Brock Lesnar.

[rob11]

Wonder if Shane getting legit KOed played a role in what was planned for the main event.

Sheets did tease at something big planned to set up Mania and no way it can be Lesnar-Goldberg III after what just happened.

That's my only guess on what was changed. Brock was getting the upper hand when Shane ran out then cost Brock the match. Like what was just said, I'm giving WWE too much credit.

[Gerard]

So you guys wanted to see a long match out of Goldberg? lol

Don't pretend you seen a classic goldberg squash match happening, nobody else did nor was it even hinted at in this thread.

[RP]

So Lesnar agreed to this? I doubt it.

[Droford]

JBL in another car leaving a black guy behind

[Dark One]

This guy has more wins in a WWE ring than Brock Lesnar does against Goldberg.

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[Gerard]

So Lesnar agreed to this? I doubt it.

If he hadn't it wouldn't have went down that way in the ring.

[Dark One]

Okay, I'm done.

[KIRA]

Titus O'Neil has more championship reigns than Brock Lesnar has wins on Goldberg.

There are praying Mantises that lasted longer after mating than Brock did with Goldberg

[Evil Vito]

Goldberg's son is Bobby Hill

[rob11]

Okay, I'm done.

I thought you were just getting started. Find random WCW matches with jobbers that lasted longer than Lesnar did.

[RP]

This is the most ridiculous end to a ppv since David Arquette won the WCW Championship

[Black Widow]

That was great and hilarious.

[JimmyMess]

hahaha suck it lesnar!

[Dark One]

Just kidding.

The XFL lasted longer than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[rob11]

This is the most ridiculous end to a ppv since David Arquette won the WCW Championship
Wasn't that on Nitro? OSW binge watching :-(

[Dark One]

The WBF lasted longer than Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[Dark One]

Stone Cold Steve Austin's celebrations involved more beers than there were moves in Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[Destor]

Looks like the WWE finally gets Goldberg. Only 15 years too late

[Triple A]

Well, has to be said, nobody seen that coming which makes it a bit different to say the least.

Ya...

Whole thing was pretty unpredictable, which is good I guess

Thought Kalisto was def gonna win

Thought Sami Zayn was def gonna win

Bray Wyatt pinning Roman Reigns, etc.

[The CyNick]

That's my only guess on what was changed. Brock was getting the upper hand when Shane ran out then cost Brock the match. Like what was just said, I'm giving WWE too much credit.

This was always the finish from the start.

[Dark One]

Linda McMahon has the exact same number of political victories as Brock Lesnar does over Goldberg.

Zero.

[Volare]

I lol'd reading this from a betting site...

Brock Lesnar -400 vs. Goldberg +280

[The CyNick]

Stone Cold Steve Austin's celebrations involved more beers than there were moves in Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

Would be cool if they could get Austin to lace em up in a dream match against someone.

[KIRA]

This couldve gone to Joe or Nakamura no it goes to a 50 yr old man who hasn't seen the ring in years

[Evil Vito]

Goldberg was the first wrestler I was ever a mark for - so seeing him win in a matter of seconds made 9 year old me smile. Way better than him stinking out the joint in a long match.

[Droford]

Linda McMahon has the exact same number of political victories as Brock Lesnar does over Goldberg.

Zero.

Nah..she won the old fashioned way with money as shes gonna work for Trump

[The CyNick]

I lol'd reading this from a betting site...

Brock Lesnar -400 vs. Goldberg +280

Late money started coming in on Bill as the finish got out.

[rob11]

This was always the finish from the start.
I guess it was...different? Surprising? You always find the positive view for WWE so go ahead lol.

[KIRA]

This was always the finish from the start.

Fucking Christ not you not now.

[Dark One]

Vince McMahon's quads lasted longer in the 2005 Royal Rumble than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg lasted tonight.

[Dark One]

Jerry "the King" Lawler was legally dead for longer following his heart attack than it took for Goldberg to beat Brock Lesnar.

[CSL]

This couldve gone to Joe or Nakamura no it goes to a 50 yr old man who hasn't seen the ring in years

lol

[Dark One]

Stephanie McMahon's food posioning lasted just as long as Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

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[Dark One]

Lock Jaw would last longer with HMB than Brock Lesnar lasted with Goldberg.

[rob11]

Jerry "the King" Lawler was legally dead for longer following his heart attack than it took for Goldberg to beat Brock Lesnar.
This makes me an asshole but I legit lol'd for that.

[CSL]

lasted longer posts lasted longer than lasted longer long lasted

[Droford]

Lol johnny spade..

What in the world happen to him lol.

[Dark One]

Now I'm done. Goodbye everyone.

[Stickman]

I don't mind that ending. Nobody saw that coming, it sets up more unconsequential Goldberg, set up a huge Brock return. I think ling term this is good. Golldberg being 50 is moot cuz he is in great shape and still looks better thwn the entire Taw and SD main event scene so no big deal.

[Dark One]

Wait. No. One more.

My "x lasted longer than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg" gimmick lasted longer than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[Lock Jaw]

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[KIRA]

lol

It couldve been Sasha Banks and I'd have been more ok with it

[Droford]

Goldberg lied. He had two spears left

[Lock Jaw]

Now I'm done. Goodbye everyone.

R.I.P. Dark One (again)

[The CyNick]

I guess it was...different? Surprising? You always find the positive view for WWE so go ahead lol.

Goldberg going over was always the plan. You bring in another guy who can be used periodically in big matches. There's no point having him lose. Lesnar has been protected, so a loss won't hurt him.

It just comes down to how do you lay out the match. I heard a bunch of scenarios, this was one of them. My thinking is they felt this match layout would result in more interest in the weeks and months to follow than doing a 10-12 minute normal match.

Like anything, the real analysis will be made when we see how everything ultimately plays out.

Just speaking as a fan right now, the match has me more interested to see what comes next.

[The CyNick]

Fucking Christ not you not now.

What?

[KIRA]

What?

Nevermind.


hi

[Vastardikai]

It's just another symptom of the disease that's been inflicting WWE for years.

The past uber alles.

[Droford]

The only way a 1 minute squash match makes sense is if hes wrestling another match. You dont squash Lesnar in one minute and then go "well thats it, Im done"

[Poit]

This guy has more wins in a WWE ring than Brock Lesnar does against Goldberg.

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This guy has more wins in a WWE ring than Brock Lesnar does against Goldberg.

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[Theo Dious]

So basically the guyear that the Undertaker couldn't beat can't beat Goldberg. Wrestling isn't all that great sometimes.

[Dark One]

You get the fuck out of here with that Poit.

[Evil Vito]

Bet they're both back there now pissing themselves laughing at how much money they made for a minute's work.

[Droford]

Goldberg should avenge one of his losses.

Goldberg vs HHH at WM

[Lock Jaw]

Watching Bobby Roode's NXT Takeover Entrance right now

[Locke]

That was great and hilarious.
I know! Finally we get something that the blacks don't ruin.

[Evil Vito]

Imagine what Goldberg's first WWE run would have looked like had he beaten Rock like that in his first match. Or Triple H when they had their first title bout.

God dammit, 2003 WWE writers.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Don't pretend you seen a classic goldberg squash match happening, nobody else did nor was it even hinted at in this thread.

I'm more just saying it was totally the right move.

[Destor]

Imagine what Goldberg's first WWE run would have looked like had he beaten Rock like that in his first match. Or Triple H when they had their first title bout.

God dammit, 2003 WWE writers.exactly

[rockman725]

When he hit the first spear I laughed & said it would be fucking stupid if it ended after that. Then he hit the 2nd and I'm like nah, Brock will hit 3 suplexes and F5 him, done deal. The Jackhammer & pin made me say WTF ARE THEY SMOKING???

If I was the casual viewer, I'd cancel my subscription. That wasn't worth the $10 for the event. No payoff in the ending for all the hype around it. In something that is scripted & predetermined, that was a major letdown from all angles. Was I expecting a 30min epic? No. Was I expecting a 5-10 min mini-battle? yeah I was. It didn't have to be long to make it work, but a fucking squash....I'm more pissed at it being a 30 second squash than even Goldberg going over.

CM Punk's UFC fight last longer. The real winner in this is Brock. Can't imagine how much money he made for that and didn't even have to do 1 single move.

[Lock Jaw]

Imagine what Goldberg's first WWE run would have looked like had he beaten Rock like that in his first match. Or Triple H when they had their first title bout.

God dammit, 2003 WWE writers.

It wasn't nostalgic enough back then

[Lock Jaw]

Gonna watch Westworld now

[Poit]

You get the fuck out of here with that Poit.

No. Look at the Saxtonation.

LOOK AT IT.

[Droford]

When he hit the first spear I laughed & said it would be fucking stupid if it ended after that. Then he hit the 2nd and I'm like nah, Brock will hit 3 suplexes and F5 him, done deal. The Jackhammer & pin made me say WTF ARE THEY SMOKING???

If I'm was the casual viewer, I'd cancel my subscription. That wasn't worth the $10 for the event. No payoff in the ending for all the hype around it. In something that is scripted & predetermined, that was a major letdown from all angles. Was I expecting a 30min epic? No. Was I expecting a 5-10 min mini-battle? yeah I was. It didn't have to be long to make it work, but I fucking squash....I'm more pissed at it being a 30 second squash than even Goldberg going over.

CM Punk's UFC fight last longer. The real winner in this is Brock. Can't imagine how much money he made for that and didn't even have to do 1 single move.

He did say he had 1 last spear and jackhammer left in him..so..

[Emperor Smeat]

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[KIRA]

Paul Heyman was in the ring with Goldberg longer than Brock Lesnar

[Evil Vito]

Gillberg has more title runs than Brock Lesnar has wins over Goldberg.

[The CyNick]

So basically the guyear that the Undertaker couldn't beat can't beat Goldberg. Wrestling isn't all that great sometimes.

The Yankees were elite a few years ago, now they are not as good, but they will likely be great again.

[Evil Vito]

This guy has more wins in a WWE ring than Brock Lesnar does against Goldberg.

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To be fair, this one was already true for years.

[The CyNick]

Imagine what Goldberg's first WWE run would have looked like had he beaten Rock like that in his first match. Or Triple H when they had their first title bout.

God dammit, 2003 WWE writers.

Different time, different ego involved.

[The CyNick]

When he hit the first spear I laughed & said it would be fucking stupid if it ended after that. Then he hit the 2nd and I'm like nah, Brock will hit 3 suplexes and F5 him, done deal. The Jackhammer & pin made me say WTF ARE THEY SMOKING???

If I was the casual viewer, I'd cancel my subscription. That wasn't worth the $10 for the event. No payoff in the ending for all the hype around it. In something that is scripted & predetermined, that was a major letdown from all angles. Was I expecting a 30min epic? No. Was I expecting a 5-10 min mini-battle? yeah I was. It didn't have to be long to make it work, but a fucking squash....I'm more pissed at it being a 30 second squash than even Goldberg going over.

CM Punk's UFC fight last longer. The real winner in this is Brock. Can't imagine how much money he made for that and didn't even have to do 1 single move.

So you're doing an everything sucks gimmick? That's real original in this territory. You should do well.

[KIRA]

To be fair, this one was already true for years.

Wtf is that over complicated finsher.

No wonder they moved him outta the ring

[Poit]

So basically the guyear that the Undertaker couldn't beat can't beat Goldberg.

Rock, paper, scissors.

[Ruien]

Really weird but good because Brock is boring as hell. Hopefully he goes away now and Goldberg takes the part time position.

[The CyNick]

Really weird but good because Brock is boring as hell. Hopefully he goes away now and Goldberg takes the part time position.

I haven't heard that Brock is going away, but he doesn't want to do this forever, makes sense to have multiple options.

[Ruien]

I don't read shit or care what he wants. I want his boring ass off my television.

[Emperor Smeat]

Really weird but good because Brock is boring as hell. Hopefully he goes away now and Goldberg takes the part time position.

Lesnar's contract doesn't end till next year's Mania and I think has the option for another year. Biggest problem is ever since the Taker series, his value has plummeted a lot. Him getting busted for roids after his UFC fight didn't help either.

[Heisenberg]

What the fuck kind of main event was that? How the shit does a squash match make me want to buy a video game? God damn, they do this, they have a great NXT PPV then showcase a dirty turd with the main roster.

[Ruien]

The main 5 on 5 match was amazing. Wyatt is actually on the rise. Assuming Orton is having fun being a Wyatt which is why it happened in the first place. Hopefully it will last until Wyatt gets his credibility back and a world title win before Orton turns on him.

[Heisenberg]

That match should have went on last then. Fuckin terrible that the Champions of each brand play second fiddle to the pussyfooting of Goldberg and Lesnar

[Ruien]

Agreed. I actually turned it off after the Wyatts went off the air. Didn't care about sereing Brock beat Goldberg in a 10 minute match. Would have stood around if I knew Goldberg was going to squash Brock.

[slik]

I loved Brock vs Goldberg

Felt nice to 'be a fan' again and be totally surprised at something they did. Probably the most surprising moment in WWE history since...well, since Brock beat Taker at WMXXX.

Loved it.

[slik]

Technically yes, this means Brock beating Taker and having the most dominant run in WWE history was about making Goldberg look strong in a one-off match, but the bigger picture is that 'you never know what will happen in WWE' and it makes watching exciting.

[Destor]

Technically yes, this means Brock beating Taker and having the most dominant run in WWE history was about making Goldberg look strong in a one-off match, but the bigger picture is that 'you never know what will happen in WWE' and it makes watching exciting.

No it doesnt. It doesnt work like that. Dont be rediculous

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It was lame af.

Also Shinsuke or The Revival didn't show up. :n:

Best thing was everybody chanting 10.

[Droford]

Selling a video game > Undertakers streak

[Ruien]

It has created a buzz. You can't deny that.

[Emperor Smeat]

There’s a reason Goldberg was made to look so dominant during his return tonight at the Survivor Series … The Sheet has learned he recently agreed to appear in the upcoming Royal Rumble.

Sources tell us the 49-year-old made the deal this week that will see him participate in a Rumble match for the second time in his career. This year’s event is in January at the Alamodome ...

No word at this point as to whether any sort of WrestleMania match is in the works
http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/goldberg-royal-rumble-deal

Why the WWE did the squash makes a lot more sense now.

[Droford]

Kurt Angle should be in the game next year and challenge Brock to a match. Mske him tap out in less than a minute..

[Droford]

Goldberg wins the Rumble

Goldberg vs Roman at WM

Spear Jackhammer 123

Goldberg wins then Brock comes out and destroys him so he has to vacate the belt

[slik]

Odd @ him being in the RR. His story is now complete. He has no reason to wrestle ever again.

[slik]

Really don't want Brock/Goldberg III at WM.

Would rather Taker/Goldberg after tonight if he is still going to wrestle again for some reason.

[slik]

Goldberg is eliminated by Undertaker in RR. Goldberg then pulls Taker out costing him the match.

Taker/Goldberg at WM, Taker's last match, Goldberg's last match. Taker wins and gets his loss back from Brock in a circular way. Brock vs Taker, long entrances, 10 min. match, booked safely. DONE.

[rockman725]

So you're doing an everything sucks gimmick? That's real original in this territory. You should do well.

Don't sit there behind your stupid computer screen & tell me that if this was 20 years ago and you shell out $60 for a PPV based on the promotion that this match was given, that you'd be okay with watching that for $60 and saying 'oh yeah I got my money's worth'. That would be bullshit and you know it.

Felt the same way about last months HITC. A woman's gimmick match (where the gimmick doesn't mean what it use to) should not have been the final match on the card. Remember, the undercard is not what sells the PPV, it's the main event. Put the squash in the middle of the card and over hype the Raw vs. SD match with good stakes and maybe I'd feel different.

This is not MONDAY NIGHT RAW. This is not SMACKDOWN. This is a Pay Per View event. Don't treat it as a last minute throwaway TV show. This is 100% pure WCW-style booking at it's finest. Hmm... what's Arquette doing these days!?! Let's give him another title run while we're at it.

[Evil Vito]

Anybody dumb enough to drop $50/$60 for WWE PPVs nowadays when the Network is right there deserves to be disappointed, tbh.

[Heisenberg]

member Rikishi?

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/images/pics/thumb/rikishi-lias-m.jpg

[Shadrick]

Don't sit there behind your stupid computer screen & tell me that if this was 20 years ago and you shell out $60 for a PPV based on the promotion that this match was given, that you'd be okay with watching that for $60 and saying 'oh yeah I got my money's worth'. That would be bullshit and you know it.

Felt the same way about last months HITC. A woman's gimmick match (where the gimmick doesn't mean what it use to) should not have been the final match on the card. Remember, the undercard is not what sells the PPV, it's the main event. Put the squash in the middle of the card and over hype the Raw vs. SD match with good stakes and maybe I'd feel different.

This is not MONDAY NIGHT RAW. This is not SMACKDOWN. This is a Pay Per View event. Don't treat it as a last minute throwaway TV show. This is 100% pure WCW-style booking at it's finest. Hmm... what's Arquette doing these days!?! Let's give him another title run while we're at it.

ignore cynick. he's accusing you of the "everything sucks" gimmick while he's doing the "everything is awesome" gimmick

[Volare]

Goldberg is eliminated by Undertaker in RR. Goldberg then pulls Taker out costing him the match.

Taker/Goldberg at WM, Taker's last match, Goldberg's last match. Taker wins and gets his loss back from Brock in a circular way. Brock vs Taker, long entrances, 10 min. match, booked safely. DONE.

I could dig that.

[Tom Guycott]

This guy has more wins in a WWE ring than Brock Lesnar does against Goldberg.

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No. Look at the Saxtonation.

LOOK AT IT.

Jesus. That is worse than Otunga's sloppy slam.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I could dig that.

When it should have been Sting Vs. Undertaker in a Double Retirement Match last year I can't dig it.

[Dewidi]

It couldve been Sasha Banks and I'd have been more ok with it

Looking at heyman's eyes he's like why the hell do I keep representing this out of shape clown I call a beast or oh shit there goes my meal ticket

[Dewidi]

Goldberg going over was always the plan. You bring in another guy who can be used periodically in big matches. There's no point having him lose. Lesnar has been protected, so a loss won't hurt him.

It just comes down to how do you lay out the match. I heard a bunch of scenarios, this was one of them. My thinking is they felt this match layout would result in more interest in the weeks and months to follow than doing a 10-12 minute normal match.

Like anything, the real analysis will be made when we see how everything ultimately plays out.

Just speaking as a fan right now, the match has me more interested to see what comes next.

They could of saved it for wrestlemania that way there would have been more of a build up and more hype they may have drawn in more subscriptions that way. People aren't going to spend the $10 right now being this close to thanksgiving and christmas

[Savio]

This is the most ridiculous end to a ppv since David Arquette won the WCW Championship

Wasn't that on Nitro? OSW binge watching :-(

Thunder in Syracuse

[The CyNick]

Don't sit there behind your stupid computer screen & tell me that if this was 20 years ago and you shell out $60 for a PPV based on the promotion that this match was given, that you'd be okay with watching that for $60 and saying 'oh yeah I got my money's worth'. That would be bullshit and you know it.

Felt the same way about last months HITC. A woman's gimmick match (where the gimmick doesn't mean what it use to) should not have been the final match on the card. Remember, the undercard is not what sells the PPV, it's the main event. Put the squash in the middle of the card and over hype the Raw vs. SD match with good stakes and maybe I'd feel different.

This is not MONDAY NIGHT RAW. This is not SMACKDOWN. This is a Pay Per View event. Don't treat it as a last minute throwaway TV show. This is 100% pure WCW-style booking at it's finest. Hmm... what's Arquette doing these days!?! Let's give him another title run while we're at it.

Check out the wwe network at wwe.com. it's only 9.99 a month. Would probably make you less angry in life. You seem really hard up for money that you're worried about $60 a month. Not only will the network save you money, but it'll help your sanity. If you're still hard up for money, PM me, and I'll see if I can put you to work for one of my companies.

[Savio]

Rock, paper, scissors.

Brock, Taker, Scissors.

[The CyNick]

ignore cynick. he's accusing you of the "everything sucks" gimmick while he's doing the "everything is awesome" gimmick

No gimmicks needed here. My work speaks for itself.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Wonder how Randy Orton feels about this

[Poit]

Brock, Taker, Scissors.

I was going to add something like that, except paper beats rock, but Brock beats Taker.

[Poit]

The main event was apparently briefly posted to Pornhub with the title "OLD MUSCULAR MAN BRUTALLY FUCKS JACKED WHITE BOY AND FINISHES QUICKLY".

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Now Oldberg is gonna probably Batista his way into winning a Royal Rumble with Romans Sleeping method.

[Sepholio]

Lmao I still can't believe that shit happened. It's baffling. Really obvious that brock is going to play the "he caught me off guard" card too. Probably after he eliminates oldberg in the rumble.

Just imagine the shenanigans if this somehow inexplicably ends up with oldberg vs brock vs taker in a triple threat at mania. Would let them go easy on taker and let brock and goldberg do all the heavy lifting and high impact stuff and then taker can go over and ride off into the sunset. Not saying it's gonna happen but wwe and stuff.

[Dark One]

One more:

CM Punk's UFC Debut lasted longer than Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg.

[Sepholio]

Someone beat you to that one a page or 2 back.

[Dark One]

God damnit. It's my gimmick. It's mine.

[Sepholio]

CM Punk's UFC fight last longer. The real winner in this is Brock. Can't imagine how much money he made for that and didn't even have to do 1 single move.

[Sepholio]

You did it better!

[Emperor Smeat]

More on what might have influenced the WWE's decision for Lesnar-Goldberg.
Pro Wrestling Sheet reported today that Bill Goldberg agreed to a deal this week to appear in more shows, which explains the finish of tonight's match with Brock Lesnar.

The story noted that Goldberg will be at the Royal Rumble at the Alamodome. The original deal was for only this one match, but Goldberg got over so well, as expected, that both sides made the decision to keep him going.

It would be expected that Goldberg and Brock Lesnar would meet at the Rumble, although that has not been confirmed at this point ...

There was a late odds swing in favor of Goldberg just before the show started which turned out to be smart money from people who knew the finish.

[Triple A]

Freaking funny

The more I think about it, the more I like it, mostly cause of how ridiculous it was

Good PPV

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Wonder what John Cena thinks. Lesnar pretty much raped him.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Finished watching most of the ppv but skipped the main.

[Triple A]

Why would you skip it

[Dark One]

Why would you skip it

He sneezed and it was over. Not his fault.

[Fignuts]

The footage from the game that tjey used to promote the ppv was a better match than what we got.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Goldberg is the man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Makes sense -- you don't bring back Goldie to be Brock fodder. Brock should say he wasn't ready and The Berg comes out for another match, but Brock just walks off wanting none of it. Don't bust your nut with this.

Also, have Goldberg sign with SmackDown instead of RAW and beat Miz to win the IC Title on his first night, because why the fuck not?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't understand why they pulled that shit with the IC and Cruiserweight Titles. Seems like they're spinning their wheels with those inter-brand programs. So are we going to get more cross-branded stuff. Seems a bit silly to me. Unless "El Generico" wins the IC Title on SmackDown. Maybe they're saving the Kendrick vs. Kalisto title change for 205 Live? Or maybe they go with the division moving to SmackDown because Kalisto won, but Kendrick is still champion on the technicality. Eh, it's all really soft and convoluted.

[Big Vic]

Kalisto lost

[Evil Vito]

I'm thinking Shane/Bryan will cut some sort of a deal with "WWE management" allowing cruiserweights to be on SmackDown because of the Corbin interference - but Raw will protest and as such they'll be on both shows.

Tough to take the cruisers away from Raw. Yes most of the matches have been meaningless but it still nicely fills 2 segments on an ungodly long 3 hour show.

[Maluco]

Brock beats Goldberg easily...oh well, they have invested so much in Brock already and Goldberg is nearly 50...always the plan

Brock beats Goldberg in longer match - Brock needed to win, because they have invested so much in him, but they may use Goldberg again...always the plan.

Goldberg beats Lesnar in titanic struggle...oh, they needed to keep Brock looking strong but couldn't have Goldberg lose on his return! Always the plan!

Goldberg beats Lesnar in squash...They can't have all their eggs in one basket and now they have Goldberg they can use in one off events too...always the plan.

Impossible to win an argument against Cynick using arguments after the fact, that is why you are always right, as you keep saying (sorry Cynick, but its true)

I watched the match now in the network and it is ridiculous. I know that will get "stop crying lol" responses, but it is true.

Firstly, it's great, it's surprising, great, it's unexpected, but a 50 year old man who hasn't wrestled in over a decade just easily beat the guy who has been head and shoulders above the whole roster for 3-4 years. The attitude era really was that much better!

Secondly, this was the one guy and the one big win that could have made someone. A Rollins or a Wyatt finally slaying the beast at a Mania, killing him off, could have been massive, and the right storyline could have pushed someone into Bryan/Cena stratosphere. As it goes, a win over Brock has completely lost its gloss. "He has been protected", "It's only one loss"...true...but it's a massive one and completely takes away his mystique. Who has been up for a Taker match at Mania since the streak ended? Although he is not undefeated, the parallels are there. That big moment is gone, like it or not.

[Big Vic]

Hope Roman gets heat for hurting Shane and goes on a losing streak.

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe he lost so badly so that when Shane fights him at Wrestlemania people will think "who knows, maybe he actually has a chance"

So the whole thing was really about making Shane look strong.

[RP]

If someone dont tell me why that little dirtbag son of Goldbergs took his shirt off, i'm going to lose my shit. That was the weirdest thing i've ever seen.

[Jordan]

that finish was fucking dope.

[Jordan]

If someone dont tell me why that little dirtbag son of Goldbergs took his shirt off, i'm going to lose my shit. That was the weirdest thing i've ever seen.

To be like his dad.

[Stickman]

There is so much they could do with Lesner now. They could have him demand a third and Goldberg be like, nah bro I beat you twice, no reason for a third. And Lesner goes on a murderous rampage destroying random wrestlers , hunts him down at his house,mkidnaps his kid, bangs his wife etc until Goldber finally agrees.
Or they could have Lesner sulk, feel like lost his smile, he wants to retire, maybe he has a few other matches and losess easily and he gives up until Goldberg comes along and ignites the fire inside the beast.
Or it is revealed he took a dive for a pay cheque because The Million Dollar Man placed huge bets on Goldberg winning.

[The CyNick]

Makes sense -- you don't bring back Goldie to be Brock fodder. Brock should say he wasn't ready and The Berg comes out for another match, but Brock just walks off wanting none of it. Don't bust your nut with this.

Also, have Goldberg sign with SmackDown instead of RAW and beat Miz to win the IC Title on his first night, because why the fuck not?

I don't think Goldberg wants the IC title.

[The CyNick]

I don't understand why they pulled that shit with the IC and Cruiserweight Titles. Seems like they're spinning their wheels with those inter-brand programs. So are we going to get more cross-branded stuff. Seems a bit silly to me. Unless "El Generico" wins the IC Title on SmackDown. Maybe they're saving the Kendrick vs. Kalisto title change for 205 Live? Or maybe they go with the division moving to SmackDown because Kalisto won, but Kendrick is still champion on the technicality. Eh, it's all really soft and convoluted.

Story was that both titles could have changed hands. The results of the matches dictated that neither title switched brands. I thought it was intriguing.

Miz further established himself as a heel that you want to see lose the strap while still looking strong in the match. And Corbin came off as a bully.

[Simple Fan]

Just watched and that main event was worse than their Mania match. If I had payed a ticket to see that I'd be pissed. Rest of the show was pretty good but that main event was just stupid.

[Big Vic]

I think Corbin should have stated he did it as revenge because Shane took him out of the 5 on 5 match.

[Big Vic]

Just watched and that main event was worse than their Mania match. If I had payed a ticket to see that I'd be pissed. Rest of the show was pretty good but that main event was just stupid.
I remember Vince saying he didn't 'get' UFC stating "These guys paid 60 dollars to see Liddell vs Rampage and all they go was a 90 second encounter." He then went on to tout that fans got their moneys worth because WWE had longer main event matches.

[The CyNick]

Brock beats Goldberg easily...oh well, they have invested so much in Brock already and Goldberg is nearly 50...always the plan

Brock beats Goldberg in longer match - Brock needed to win, because they have invested so much in him, but they may use Goldberg again...always the plan.

Goldberg beats Lesnar in titanic struggle...oh, they needed to keep Brock looking strong but couldn't have Goldberg lose on his return! Always the plan!

Goldberg beats Lesnar in squash...They can't have all their eggs in one basket and now they have Goldberg they can use in one off events too...always the plan.

Impossible to win an argument against Cynick using arguments after the fact, that is why you are always right, as you keep saying (sorry Cynick, but its true)

I watched the match now in the network and it is ridiculous. I know that will get "stop crying lol" responses, but it is true.

Firstly, it's great, it's surprising, great, it's unexpected, but a 50 year old man who hasn't wrestled in over a decade just easily beat the guy who has been head and shoulders above the whole roster for 3-4 years. The attitude era really was that much better!

Secondly, this was the one guy and the one big win that could have made someone. A Rollins or a Wyatt finally slaying the beast at a Mania, killing him off, could have been massive, and the right storyline could have pushed someone into Bryan/Cena stratosphere. As it goes, a win over Brock has completely lost its gloss. "He has been protected", "It's only one loss"...true...but it's a massive one and completely takes away his mystique. Who has been up for a Taker match at Mania since the streak ended? Although he is not undefeated, the parallels are there. That big moment is gone, like it or not.

Brock lost to Hunter and Taker. It's not like he's been undefeated. True this was the most decisive loss he has ever taken, but nobody else on the roster was believable in that spot. Plus, you have to remember that the part time guys are almost in their own world. You want those guys to seem special. Maybe some of Brock's shine was wearing off, so it's time to make a new special attraction. Now Goldberg in the Rumble seems like a big deal. If Brock is there as well, it opens up intrigue on the two squaring off during the match. And now what about a rematch? Or other big matches with Goldberg? Maybe a guy like Rusev gets married to Brock to build him back up. Options are good.

As for me predicting things, I don't ever claim to know what is happening. I just analyze what does happen and provide logical explanations based on my background and knowledge.

I will say though, this is yet another example of our beloved wrestling journalists being totally out of touch with what is going on creatively with the company. You would think someone would have got wind of this finish. But I guess plans change, right?

[Sepholio]

Story was that both titles could have changed hands. The results of the matches dictated that neither title switched brands. I thought it was intriguing.

Miz further established himself as a heel that you want to see lose the strap while still looking strong in the match. And Corbin came off as a bully.

Miz didn't do anything though. Maryse did it. Again. And it's getting stale. Gtfo with the ring the bell and then say it was him! I'm still not sure why the match wasn't ended in a dq right there to be honest. Or at the very least the ref shouldn't have seen the miz p I n Sami zayn as he should have been busy sending Maryse to the back. Let the match go a little longer. Don't have another dirty finish in a show full of them.

[Simple Fan]

Plans change? From the look of that main event there was no plan. Did you watch it? 2 spears and a jackknife doesn't take a lot of planning. If I was Goldburg I'd be ashamed to call that my return match.

[Sepholio]

It may have been the plan but there was no way that finish was getting out. It was Def one of those moments wwe was keeping the loop closed on. Outside of goldberg lesnar hhh and the mcmahons....probably no one knew.

They couldn't afford to have this one get out because goldberg been on the whole one last match tour since his return. This finish getting out would have given away the fact that he must be staying and that's where they hope the draw is.

[BigCrippyZ]

Plans change? From the look of that main event there was no plan. Did you watch it? 2 spears and a jackknife doesn't take a lot of planning. If I was Goldburg I'd be ashamed to call that my return match.

I didn't see it, but it sounds like if I was anyone in that organization, I'd be ashamed to call that my company's main event.

[The CyNick]

If someone dont tell me why that little dirtbag son of Goldbergs took his shirt off, i'm going to lose my shit. That was the weirdest thing i've ever seen.

That was strange

[Sepholio]

Ashamed? Why the fuck should he be ashamed of a prebooked performance where he utterly humiliated the most dominant worker in the business and made a shit ton of money in the process. Also got to blow everyone's minds in the process just like lesnar did to cena. Goldberg should be stoked as hell right now.

[Sepholio]

I didn't see it, but it sounds like if I was anyone in that organization, I'd be ashamed to call that my company's main event.

Yes. This. The writers should maybe feel ashamed for writing it to be such a lopsided squash. But not goldberg or lesnar. They went out and did what they were told to do and got paid well for it. Lesnar acting was good and goldberg didn't look out of place in the ring. The spears and the jackhammer especially looked pretty damn good imo. And more importantly they left the audience buzzing.

[Simple Fan]

I'd be ashamed just for the fact that they sent me out there for a match and that was all I did. That wasn't a match, it was more like a segment they would have done on Raw leading up to the match.

[BigCrippyZ]

It may have been the plan but there was no way that finish was getting out. It was Def one of those moments wwe was keeping the loop closed on. Outside of goldberg lesnar hhh and the mcmahons....probably no one knew.

They couldn't afford to have this one get out because goldberg been on the whole one last match tour since his return. This finish getting out would have given away the fact that he must be staying and that's where they hope the draw is.

Even if it wasn't going to be his last match though, there are many better ways to set up Goldberg as an equal "special" attraction as Lesnar, while still having Lesnar lose and keep both guys looking equally elite, and still do it in less than 15 minutes if necessary. Not that it is or was a factor, but if the issue is that Goldberg can't work 15 minutes, he probably shouldn't be in the main event.

[Mercenary]

Wonder what John Cena thinks. Lesnar pretty much raped him.

I doubt he cares. He still gets a pay day. Also I hope last night convinces Shane he no longer belongs in the ring

[Sepholio]

Let's be fair. I don't think either of them can work 15 minutes. Lesnar always looks like he is on the verge of heat stroke within 5 minutes of a match starting and when you put him in the ring with someone else who can't go the results aren't good. I mean....Lesnar vs taker? That match is always boring as shit. If they tried to run a full match of lesnar v goldberg it would expose both of them and stink the place up. They need 6 months of conditioning to make that match happen right....and now they have the time.

[The CyNick]

Miz didn't do anything though. Maryse did it. Again. And it's getting stale. Gtfo with the ring the bell and then say it was him! I'm still not sure why the match wasn't ended in a dq right there to be honest. Or at the very least the ref shouldn't have seen the miz p I n Sami zayn as he should have been busy sending Maryse to the back. Let the match go a little longer. Don't have another dirty finish in a show full of them.

I don't know, I thought it was a good finish. Didn't hurt Zayn, and made me want to see someone beat The Miz. Good thing SDL has a PPV in a couple weeks, maybe someone will get a shot at dethroning Miz. That would get my interest.

[The CyNick]

I remember Vince saying he didn't 'get' UFC stating "These guys paid 60 dollars to see Liddell vs Rampage and all they go was a 90 second encounter." He then went on to tout that fans got their moneys worth because WWE had longer main event matches.

Generally that's true. However doesn't mean from time to time you can't mix it up. Plus this show had a 60 minute match in the semi main position, so I can't see how anyone came away feeling cheated.

[Big Vic]

I think a Casual fan who bought the PPV entirely for the match might have felt cheated.

[Evil Vito]

Cliff notes from WON after the show:

Dave says Goldberg's going to be sticking around for a bit, and he'll be having a rematch with Lesnar, which is a deal they made within the last week (originally, Lesnar was booked to win). Lesnar, among others pushed for the deal because he saw money in Goldberg, and Vince must have seen it too. Dave isn't sure, but he presumes he'll be working the Rumble (which he says is pretty much a given) and Wrestlemania. Beyond that, it's unclear.

He also says the match was not shortened due to Goldberg's injury. From the time he decided to stay, the point of the match became getting him over, so they did the match that originally got him over.

[The CyNick]

Plans change? From the look of that main event there was no plan. Did you watch it? 2 spears and a jackknife doesn't take a lot of planning. If I was Goldburg I'd be ashamed to call that my return match.

It was vintage Goldberg. If you were a fan of the original Goldberg character that's literally what got him over. Short dominant matches.

It's funny, I will get blasted for saying this, but this is why the IWC is so loathed in the business. When WWE brought in Goldberg and had him work longer matches to fit the WWE main event style, the IWC gets up in arms saying "oh they're ruining Goldberg, WWE sucks, Im never watching again". Then they bring him back again and use him to a tee the way he was presented and got over in WCW and these same people say "oh that was stupid, the main event was a joke. WWE sucks, I'm never watching again".

Moral of the story is you people like to complain and watch every week. So have at it.

[The CyNick]

Cliff notes from WON after the show:

Or said another way, he knows nothing, like usual.

[The CyNick]

I think a Casual fan who bought the PPV entirely for the match might have felt cheated.

A casual fan of 20 minute matches or a casual Goldberg fan? The latter should have been thrilled.

[Big Vic]

Casual Lesnar fan.

[Mercenary]

I think a Casual fan who bought the PPV entirely for the match might have felt cheated.

If a casual fan bought a ppv for 60 bucks to see a match that would've been similar to the one they had at WM XX. They would be still crying

[Evil Vito]

Or said another way, he knows nothing, like usual.

Well, Vince and Brock clearly DO see money in Goldberg or the match wouldn't have gone down that way.

[Big Vic]

kinda wish Orton beat Lesnar at SummerSlam now so he could have gotten the rub as the first guy to legit beat Lesnar since Lesnar ended the streak.

[Evil Vito]

It was vintage Goldberg. If you were a fan of the original Goldberg character that's literally what got him over. Short dominant matches.

It's funny, I will get blasted for saying this, but this is why the IWC is so loathed in the business. When WWE brought in Goldberg and had him work longer matches to fit the WWE main event style, the IWC gets up in arms saying "oh they're ruining Goldberg, WWE sucks, Im never watching again". Then they bring him back again and use him to a tee the way he was presented and got over in WCW and these same people say "oh that was stupid, the main event was a joke. WWE sucks, I'm never watching again".

Moral of the story is you people like to complain and watch every week. So have at it.

I actually have to agree with this. As someone who started watching wrestling in 1998, Goldberg was my guy. His WWE run was disappointing on so many levels because they tried to make him look like everybody else.

Last night was exactly the way Goldberg should be portrayed if anybody is expected to buy into him or care. Lesnar will have gained nothing from beating a 50 year old guy coming off of a 12 year hiatus whose last memory in a WWE ring was a clunker at WM20. He WILL however gain something from rebounding from this ass kicking to get his win back at the Rumble.

[The CyNick]

Casual Lesnar fan.

They're probably in shock. Want to know what went wrong with his gameplan. Want to know if he's done or will he be back.

[The CyNick]

If a casual fan bought a ppv for 60 bucks to see a match that would've been similar to the one they had at WM XX. They would be still crying

I was in the Garden and I was crying. Although the match was entertaining in a weird way.

[The CyNick]

Well, Vince and Brock clearly DO see money in Goldberg or the match wouldn't have gone down that way.

I mean Dave knows nothing.

[Simple Fan]

It was vintage Goldberg. If you were a fan of the original Goldberg character that's literally what got him over. Short dominant matches.

It's funny, I will get blasted for saying this, but this is why the IWC is so loathed in the business. When WWE brought in Goldberg and had him work longer matches to fit the WWE main event style, the IWC gets up in arms saying "oh they're ruining Goldberg, WWE sucks, Im never watching again". Then they bring him back again and use him to a tee the way he was presented and got over in WCW and these same people say "oh that was stupid, the main event was a joke. WWE sucks, I'm never watching again".

Moral of the story is you people like to complain and watch every week. So have at it.

That was the worst match I have ever seen considering the participants. Yeah a classic Goldburg match but it wasn't a classic Goldburg opponent. I've never said I'll quit watching just that that was stupid. If I was a casual fan that was told Goldburg vs Brock was happening at Survivor Series, knowing how bad ass Brock is and seeing that would have been silly. I just don't see it being believable to a casual fan but I could be wrong.

[#1-norm-fan]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[BigCrippyZ]

I have no problem with Lesnar losing. In fact he should have lost if Goldberg was going to stick around. The idea that they apparently gave him no offense at all though in a 30 second squash is pretty ridiculous. At least have Lesnar get something big in before getting squashed like that. Have Lesnar pretty much immediately/early on to hit a big move or an F5 and maybe attemping to arrogantly pin Goldberg, with Goldberg essentially allowing it to happen. The reaction/look on Goldberg's face after is shocking to Lesnar and that then allows Goldberg to quickly do his thing for the win.

[The CyNick]

That was the worst match I have ever seen considering the participants. Yeah a classic Goldburg match but it wasn't a classic Goldburg opponent. I've never said I'll quit watching just that that was stupid. If I was a casual fan that was told Goldburg vs Brock was happening at Survivor Series, knowing how bad ass Brock is and seeing that would have been silly. I just don't see it being believable to a casual fan but I could be wrong.

It depends what you're in it for. I have a hard time wrapping my head around what a casual fan is. To me if you pay for The Network you're more than a casual fan. To me casual fans are the people that bump RAW from 3.5 million viewers to 4.5 million in a given week.

But I digress. I think each match comes with unique expectations. Take Taker vs Mankind in HIAC. If you watch that match, it's pretty terrible from a workrate point of view. But as a spectacle, it still stands up as maybe the single greatest match in WWE history. If you went into that expecting a 25 minute back and forth brawl, you would be upset with what was presented. But if you fall into that category given what happened, you're a geek.

Take another example like say Kurt Angle vs HBK. If that match ended with a quick ankle pick and a tap, I would be disappointed because the appeal of the match to me is to see those guys go move for move. Instead you give those guys time to build drama and tell a story.

With Goldberg v Lesnar I saw what that match looked like going back and forth in a typical WWE style main event. Even removing the crowd, at best it was a below average match. So instead of repeating that, we got something unique, something that gets people talking. I don't see that as a bad thing. Especially since it opens up more doors for the future.

[Innovator]

13 years later and they finally got Goldberg right

[Simple Fan]

What doors though? Goldburg vs Brock 3? I mean why, Goldburg is clearly superior now and up 2-0 on him. What's the point in a third match?

[#1-norm-fan]

It's like the old guys who are over from when wrestling was good are the NFL and the current guys are the XFL. But for some reason, the 3rd and 4th or so best teams in the XFL play for the Lombardi trophy. lol

The future is super bright.

[The CyNick]

I have no problem with Lesnar losing. In fact he should have lost if Goldberg was going to stick around. The idea that they apparently gave him no offense at all though in a 30 second squash is pretty ridiculous. At least have Lesnar get something big in before getting squashed like that. Have Lesnar pretty much immediately/early on to hit a big move or an F5 and maybe attemping to arrogantly pin Goldberg, with Goldberg essentially allowing it to happen. The reaction/look on Goldberg's face after is shocking to Lesnar and that then allows Goldberg to quickly do his thing for the win.

Have you ever seen a real fight? Sometimes one guy is dominant.

[The CyNick]

What doors though? Goldburg vs Brock 3? I mean why, Goldburg is clearly superior now and up 2-0 on him. What's the point in a third match?

Depends where they want to go. Do you want to go all out with Goldberg? Maybe he wins the Rumble and the strap at Mania.

If they just want a rematch with Lesnar, have Lesnar cost Goldberg the Rumble. Goldberg now wants revenge. Lesnar could also injure him or do something to threaten his family.

[The CyNick]

It's like the old guys who are over from when wrestling was good are the NFL and the current guys are the XFL. But for some reason, the 3rd and 4th or so best teams in the XFL play for the Lombardi trophy. lol

The future is super bright.

What's this now?

[Volare]

He said Amateurs are beating Pros to him.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. I'm saying everyone on the full time roster is so far from the part time guys on the credibility/overness scale that it's hilarious that they're even presented on the same show as "equals". Brock Lesnar made the entire roster his bitch for years and passed all that credibility on to Bill Goldberg while some guys about a million miles down the roster are fighting for "company/brand superiority". lol

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

13 years later and they finally got Goldberg right

They got him the way WCW Booked him. Getting him right when he was booked wrong in WCW is just them repeating old mistakes just this time it wasn't their mistake to begin with.