WWE WrestleMania 36

[Volare]

AT 1!!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lesnar is stunned that yet another guy kicked out of the F5 multiple times as if it's never been done before.

[Emperor Smeat]

Assuming Mania ends by around 10:30, seems Sapp was right about Mania's length but off in regards to both nights.

Still 8.5 hours long but not split evenly like Sapp reported.

Also means this year's card had 20 matches if you include the No DQ and 24/7 matches.

[Gerard]

Yawn, here we go with the spamathon

[Mr. Nerfect]

McIntyre is fucking massive, btw

It's like the dude got taller as an adult too. When he was younger, I thought he was quite "lanky" for a bad-ass wrestler. Like, obviously in shape and shit, but he was in his early twenties and shit. In his thirties he is like this chiselled god of a man.

[teamXtremist]

Welp, brocks all outta moves

[teamXtremist]

Its oooova

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lesnar is stunned that yet another guy kicked out of the F5 multiple times as if it's never been done before.

It's only been done by Taker and Roman, hasn't it? And Taker did it like five years ago. Brock's spent a billion days as a champion since then.

[Volare]

That was pretty much carbon copy Goldberg vs Braun

[Gerard]

Lol, typical lesnar phone it in match

[slik]

I predict Drew is taking the belt off Brock in decisive fashion.

Drew McIntyre squashes Brock Lesnar in under 4 minutes to win the title.

[GD]

I am so happy that McIntyre is WWE Champion but FFS stop with this format of matches. Especially for your world titles.

[teamXtremist]

That was pretty much carbon copy Goldberg vs Braun



Goldberg/brock,see a trend

[Mr. Nerfect]

It kind of sucks for Drew that there's not going to be a crowd to do the "3-2-1" before the Claymore, but I had this vision of Drew doing it anyway and Paul Heyman just screaming "NO!" between each one in classic Heyman fashion so there's some sort of build-up in tension.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

How effective is the f5 when you can take 3, get up and kick the other guy 3 more times?

And blah it's over. Good for McIntyre. Inconceivable he would've been seen anywhere near this level when he was in 3MB. Shame it happened in front of nobody.

[teamXtremist]

Meh

[Emperor Smeat]

:D Drew won.

Better move spamming fest than the Universal title match was last night.

Night 2 felt similar to Night 1 in terms of feeling more like a long RAW than Mania but arguably weaker in terms of overall match quality. The Last Standing match killed too much of the show's flow.

Mania itself was decent to average overall. Too many useless matches but at least it was easier to sit though because of the 2 night aspect.

[OssMan]

? Was writing an email for like 5 minutes at the start of the main event and missed the whole thing

[Mr. Nerfect]

I love Brock as champion, because I don't watch this shit all the time and he's fucking amazing and still the most credible guy they have, but I always think there is an opportunity to do more with him away from the belts as a special attraction. It's just a shame that all their guys get snake-bit -- whether that's the company's fault or theirs (Seth didn't help himself, for example).

Always feel like a Brock without the belt could end up deranged and attacking Daniel Bryan randomly, which could lead to another classic. Wouldn't be opposed to Brock fucking up Braun and winning the Universal Title to set up something with Bryan, but that would definitely have the feel of "here we go again," and everyone on the internet would whinge.

Feel like they should either have Brock be the bully and pick a fight with someone and just not give a fuck about his "prestige" as a gimmick anymore. Use him on SmackDown to murder Drew Gulak or something, or give him a break until you decide you need him again. He's got so much value, but I think Brock as the champion that drops it to the babyface flavor is something they should be done with.

[slik]

Best matches at WrestleMania 36 (imo):

Undertaker vs AJ Styles

John Cena vs Bray Wyatt

[slik]

Brock probably told Vince he wanted to film his match first and get the fuck outta Florida

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock in NXT would be hilarious. Adam Cole makes some snide comment on Twitter, Brock finds it disrespectful, goes down and decides to fight the entire Undisputed Era. THAT would be them trying to help their ratings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock probably told Vince he wanted to film his match first and get the fuck outta Florida

Don't blame him. Not sure if diverticulitis is something that fucks with your immune system or not, but I don't blame Brock if he doesn't want to work in this climate. He's got kids and I don't know if he's got elderly relatives or friends.

[Sepholio]

Best matches at WrestleMania 36 (imo):

Undertaker vs AJ Styles

John Cena vs Bray Wyatt

Big Same.

[Emperor Smeat]

Best matches at WrestleMania 36 (imo):

Undertaker vs AJ Styles

John Cena vs Bray Wyatt

Add Bryan vs. Sami and that's my Top 3 in order.

Rollins vs. Owens would have been #3 had it not been interrupted with that dumb DQ spot mid-way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, saw Edge and Randy Orton went for 36 minutes. Bless Edge for wanting to prove that he's there to go, but that would be excessive under normal conditions.

The match should have been Edge getting some babyface shine on Orton for a bit, Orton taking over, doing some shit to Edge that hopefully doesn't put people to sleep, whacking Edge with a steel chair and Edge blading. Orton beats on Edge a little bit more then goes to piledrive him on some concrete. Back body drop counter by Edge, babyface comeback with Edge getting eye-for-an-eye on Orton, tries to hit Orton with a steel chair but Orton evades and gets the RKO. He's relieved it's over, Edge kicks out, Orton tries to do what he did to Edge to put him out, Edge comes back steel chair to Orton, Spear, that's it.

I think a big problem with that match is that even with a crowd, they wouldn't have been able to build the drama in it. They get way too concerned with the heat and are way too confident that their shit doesn't drag. Bret vs. Vince, Cole vs. Lawler, Bryan & Shane vs. Owens & Zayn, Triple H vs. Batista. Sometimes less is more, and when the fans really want to see the babyface just kill that fucking heel dead and you've build up the program well enough, the heat is already there and you can pay it off without the fucking walk and punch or endless chokes just to milk time before the babyface does anything.

Maybe do a spot where Edge thinks about piledriving Orton and getting his back, but unless Orton is taking time off, have Edge decide he is better than that before beating Orton. His post-match promo can be "I want you to remember that I showed you mercy for the rest of your career. But don't mistake mercy for weakness. I spared you because I have a wife and kids and I want them to see me as a man, not as a worthless piece of shit that needs to stoop to such levels in order to get ahead. If you ever put your hands on me, my wife or anybody else I have an ounce of love for, Randy -- I won't let you off next time."

[Emperor Smeat]

Don't blame him. Not sure if diverticulitis is something that fucks with your immune system or not, but I don't blame Brock if he doesn't want to work in this climate. He's got kids and I don't know if he's got elderly relatives or friends.

Supposedly he's not medically at risk because of it.

Only reason he bolted early last year was due to him not wanting to wait backstage for like 5-6 hours before his match would have taken place nor wanted to stick around for any post-show partying after midnight.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eh, don't blame him. He wasn't in the main event, so whatever. Vince went through a period of having World Title matches open the show anyway.

I was more disappointed that they half-assed the build for Brock vs. Seth. There was actually a really good story that went back to the cash-in and Seth's growth as a wrestler, but they didn't tell any of it.

[Splaya]

Feel like the rumors of Cena coming back for one more run and FINALLY turning heel are true. This whole thing is building that.

100% correct. Everyone that the Fiend has fought and beaten, they have changed because of losing the match.

Beat Balor- Balor turned heel.
Beat Rollins- Rollins turned heel
Beat Daniel Bryan- Bryan is more aggressive in the ring
Beat the Miz- Miz turned heel


Cena is 100% coming back at least changed and more than likely heel

[Splaya]

I wonder how they’ll make the Firefly Funhouse Match come off as well but still come off different enough from the boneyard Match.

Got our answer and holy shit was it good

[#1-norm-fan]

I don’t know what I just watched. I enjoyed Cena vs Wyatt as a short film on the recent history of wrestling. But I also came away thinking “Why would I keep following this weekly?”. It’s just occasional niche “so bad they’re good” films. And the champion they crowned at the end is nowhere near as engaging as the wrestling guys I know of from the past. Wrestling is desperate. And also shitty in general.

[Droford]

Lol I blew my nose during the middle of the Main Event and got a bloody nose and basically missed the end (I heard McIntyre won)

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, it’s weird that whenever I mention Rock or Austin or Hogan or even Cena, to explain why Drew McIntyre as a champion is the lowest standard ever, I get shit for making the standard too high. Like... did the human race just stop making likeable humans at some point? If the standard got that low then maybe we just need to give all the titles to Marco Stunt, have a good laugh and watch the world burn. Go big or go the fuck home.

[rez]

Also, it’s weird that whenever I mention Rock or Austin or Hogan or even Cena, to explain why Drew McIntyre as a champion is the lowest standard ever, I get shit for making the standard too high. Like... did the human race just stop making likeable humans at some point? If the standard got that low then maybe we just need to give all the titles to Marco Stunt, have a good laugh and watch the world burn. Go big or go the fuck home.

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, it’s weird that whenever I mention Rock or Austin or Hogan or even Cena, to explain why Drew McIntyre as a champion is the lowest standard ever, I get shit for making the standard too high. Like... did the human race just stop making likeable humans at some point? If the standard got that low then maybe we just need to give all the titles to Marco Stunt, have a good laugh and watch the world burn. Go big or go the fuck home.

Yeah, that's the standard. People used to do that with Seth too. "Stop comparing him to Austin." Well, he's in the same position and has been doing this for long enough.

I like Drew, for the record. I hear on the issues with him. He is very...Randy Orton like. He's not the most lively personality in the world. I think he's very good though. So, I dunno -- I thought he was booked tremendously well at the Royal Rumble, but he probably does need to bring something more forward.

[Emperor Smeat]

Based on Wikipedia match times, the Last Man Standing match between Edge and Orton was the 2nd longest match ever in Mania history.

Surpassed the previous #2 which was the "McMahon in Every Corner" WWF title 4-Way Elimination match from Mania 2000.

The 4-way match was 36 minutes, 24 seconds long while Edge vs. Orton was 36 minutes, 35 seconds long.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, Seth Rollins was also massively over-pushed from the get-go because WWE forgot how to make stars in advance.

And Drew McIntyre is not even on Seth Rollins’ level.

At this point the game is “How many nobodies can we put over Brock before these people stop taking ‘toppling the beast’ as a meaningful accomplishment”?

I say we try the Uso on the right next year. Why the fuck not?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Okay, just watched the Firefly Fun House:

I don't know what I'm supposed to feel. I don't feel anything, really. It felt like a bunch of angles and promos that could have been used to set up a match, but John Cena was in on it? Like, he acted like he didn't want to be doing it, but it doesn't make sense. So Cena was in on it. That's the only way it makes any sort of sense.

So Cena basically just had a mid-life crisis, faked wanting to fight Bray, and instead just did a bit of cathartic theatre with him where he basically turned heel and hated himself before disappearing? That's the only way I can reconcile this with the idea of wrestling at all. As a fan of John Cena you're supposed to feel cheated, right? That's the only way this makes any sense.

I feel stupid even using the word "kayfabe" with this. But if you want to look at this as wrestling, this has got to be a jump the shark moment, right? This is them completely moving away from any semblance of these people are doing anything but acting out a script. I don't know how you are supposed to believe that Drew McIntyre winning the WWE Title after this means anything in a world where Cena and Bray just did that. How does that work? So it's got to be Cena false advertising a match with Bray...for some reason...then doing that thing with him...for some reason.

I know I'm going to get shit for trying to apply logic to it and not just sitting back and enjoying the cute references. I don't get why the Bischoff stuff was there other than a metaphor for Cena being Hogan and snapping and becoming a bad guy because the fans never embraced him. But this genuinely feels like a point where everything just jumps off a cliff and there's nothing to any of this anymore. This is the complete departure from wrestling. This is where it's not what it was.

They referenced Bray vs. Cena from six years ago, and treated that like it was a real fight, but this is where it swerves off and is just...bullshit. It was supposed to be bullshit. Titus O'Neil was even scripted to be confused by it. This is just...not the same thing as wrestling. It's not wrestling. But it was tied to what wrestling was.

I don't know. If I had to describe my feelings, I'd say it's a quiet anger and complete defeat. I feel stupid for ever emotionally investing in...anything. There's no turning it around, there's no coming back, nothing mattered. I've probably felt that for a long time, but I feel like wrestling at least had the courtesy to not slap me in the face and leave me with my memories.

Nah, anger isn't the right word. It was just a video package. Wrestling is now a video package of things that you used to like but can't give a shit about anymore. They just cannibalized the whole industry for me. Even though they kind of pretended the old stuff was real, this stuff isn't.

I'll probably find the words and just say "This was fucking stupid" later. Not stupid in the sense that Bray's "story" wasn't good, just that I can't possibly be expected to invest in them after that stupid. What even are they now?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Based on Wikipedia match times, the Last Man Standing match between Edge and Orton managed to become the 2nd longest match in Mania history.

Surpassed the previous #2 which was the "McMahon in Every Corner" WWF title 4-Way Elimination match from Mania 2000.

The 4-way match was 36 minutes, 24 seconds long while Edge vs. Orton was 36 minutes, 35 seconds long.

I wonder who has had the most ring time at WrestleMania? Might be a trickier question than first thought. The mind immediately goes to Shawn Michaels or The Undertaker, but I'm curious as to the actual answer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm VERY curious to hear what Cornette thought about Taker vs. Styles and "Cena vs. Wyatt." Especially because he loves Taker, Styles and Cena. I can't even imagine him being mad at this. It's just...so different from what wrestling is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's real and what's not? Like, what's supposed to be real? This is weirder than some of that Vince Russo bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think I've settled on just accepting it as promo material for something that's never going to happen and never was, and a "heel turn" for Cena and fuck you to the fans before he goes to Hollywood forever.

[James Steele]

I get the story they were telling with the fun house. Interested to see if they actually have Cena change from it or if he comes out tomorrow on Raw smiling and going aww shucks like he did after WM28. Interesting thing with Styles/Taker and Cena/Wyatt is what would they have done if they actually had a match in front of a stadium full of 70,000+ fans. Taker/AJ could have pretty much accomplished the same thing in a buried alive match with interference from druids/Good Bros and some shenanigans/high spots on the stage. I have no idea how they’d tell the same story with Bray/Cena...unless they did those weird ring overlay graphics with audio like they did vs Orton a few years ago.

[#1-norm-fan]

What's real and what's not? Like, what's supposed to be real?

AEW is probably handling that question better right now.

[James Steele]

Problem with AEW is that I’ve been conditioned to not pay $50 for PPV. I honestly don’t know if there is a card good enough to have me drop $50 anymore. Just not as hardcore of a fan as I used to be.

[Droford]

Hope no one pulls a benoit

https://i.redd.it/zegi7im0m3r41.jpg

[Droford]

I get the story they were telling with the fun house. Interested to see if they actually have Cena change from it or if he comes out tomorrow on Raw smiling and going aww shucks like he did after WM28. Interesting thing with Styles/Taker and Cena/Wyatt is what would they have done if they actually had a match in front of a stadium full of 70,000+ fans. Taker/AJ could have pretty much accomplished the same thing in a buried alive match with interference from druids/Good Bros and some shenanigans/high spots on the stage. I have no idea how they’d tell the same story with Bray/Cena...unless they did those weird ring overlay graphics with audio like they did vs Orton a few years ago.

Lol you think Cena is going to hang around

[Emperor Smeat]

I wonder who has had the most ring time at WrestleMania? Might be a trickier question than first thought. The mind immediately goes to Shawn Michaels or The Undertaker, but I'm curious as to the actual answer.

Pro Fight Database has Triple H at the top spot with around 475 minutes.

Taker is #2 at around 459 minutes.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-most-wrestlemania-match-time.html

Makes sense since while Taker has the most matches at 27, Triple H had a ridiculous long stretch of time where he either had the longest match or was in the Top 2/3 for longest match at a Mania.

[Droford]

McIntyre said he'd like to have his old theme for the mania match, good to see wwe listened.

Someone did

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wrasslin/comments/fvs1l2/drew_mcintyres_entrance_with_broken_dreams/

I wish I could embed the video

[Droford]

Pro Fight Database has Triple H at the top spot with around 475 minutes.

Taker is #2 at around 459 minutes.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-most-wrestlemania-match-time.html

Makes sense since while Taker has the most matches at 27, Triple H had a ridiculous long stretch of time where he either had the longest match or was in the Top 2/3 for longest match at a Mania.

3 of Hs matches against Taker, imagine how much more itd be if Taker didnt get credit for the same match

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is probably handling that question better right now.

Not really. They've got Matt Hardy teleporting and The Young Bucks talking about how it's all bullshit. I mean, you've got MLW and ROH, but they're not really major enough. There is no major North American wrestling promotion in the world. It's weird.

Lol you think Cena is going to hang around

Yeah, I've settled on this as being confirmation that John Cena is an actor now. They advertised it as a "match," which is the weirdest and most "fuck you" thing about it, but I'm just accepting it as a segment. Bray Wyatt does his Firefly Fun House skits and Cena agreed to be in one and the theme of it was John Cena's career and they acted out some angst he has about it. Like an Adult Swim bit. It was John Cena & Bray Wyatt, which doesn't really make sense, but not John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, because that can't make sense.

This was like Cena appearing in a Piper's Pit where instead of smashing a coconut over Cena's head to set up a match, Piper and Cena just spent some time talking about how shit the fans were and how cruel the wrestling business can be, except it had puppets, costume changes, videos and metaphors. That clicks it into place for me. If this is how they plan to settle actual grudges now...good lord.

Pro Fight Database has Triple H at the top spot with around 475 minutes.

Taker is #2 at around 459 minutes.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-most-wrestlemania-match-time.html

Makes sense since while Taker has the most matches at 27, Triple H had a ridiculous long stretch of time where he either had the longest match or was in the Top 2/3 for longest match at a Mania.

420 of those minutes were probably with Batista last year.

[James Steele]

I think Edge/Orton would have been better in front of the crowd. Last Man Standing matches are always plodding because of all the near-counts.

[James Steele]

No way that is Cena’s WWE farewell.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If they had advertised it as Cena appearing on the Firefly Fun House, I would have gotten into it more. I can appreciate the storytelling there -- the history and the analogues. I just wish they hadn't set it up as an actual feud. That invites you to think about it as actual conflict, which is just bullshit.

[Verbose Minch]

Thought they'd confirmed that Vanguard 1 was just making projections of Hardy, and that he wasn't teleporting? Still dumb, but whatever

[Mr. Nerfect]

No way that is Cena’s WWE farewell.

He'll do appearances at special shows ("Welcome to the season premier of SmackDown!"), cut promos, go into the Hall of Fame and all that, but he is done as a wrestler. It's too risky for his Hollywood career to take bumps and risk delaying production schedules. If he does anything "physical" it is going to be with crash pads and special effects.

And there's nowhere to go with this. It was a cooperative segment where he acted out his "dark fantasies" in an esoteric promo. He could come out on Raw and be a heel, but are he and Bray going to be a tag team? Why did he use Bray for this stuff? This was just a theatrical segment on the show so they could use John Cena's star power and just hope the power of their "Entertainment" overshadows the feeling fans have that they got screwed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thought they'd confirmed that Vanguard 1 was just making projections of Hardy, and that he wasn't teleporting? Still dumb, but whatever

They backtrack all the time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cena probably chose Bray because he is genuinely impressed with his promos, work ethic, attention to detail, etc. Figured they could do some smoke and mirrors stuff and he could give him the "rub" he didn't get six years ago. It's a way for him to do a match without actually doing a single physical thing, and a way to say "goodbye" and feed Bray's gimmick of changing people.

[#1-norm-fan]

Not really. They've got Matt Hardy teleporting and The Young Bucks talking about how it's all bullshit. I mean, you've got MLW and ROH, but they're not really major enough. There is no major North American wrestling promotion in the world. It's weird.



Yeah, I've settled on this as being confirmation that John Cena is an actor now. They advertised it as a "match," which is the weirdest and most "fuck you" thing about it, but I'm just accepting it as a segment. Bray Wyatt does his Firefly Fun House skits and Cena agreed to be in one and the theme of it was John Cena's career and they acted out some angst he has about it. Like an Adult Swim bit. It was John Cena & Bray Wyatt, which doesn't really make sense, but not John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, because that can't make sense.

This was like Cena appearing in a Piper's Pit where instead of smashing a coconut over Cena's head to set up a match, Piper and Cena just spent some time talking about how shit the fans were and how cruel the wrestling business can be, except it had puppets, costume changes, videos and metaphors. That clicks it into place for me. If this is how they plan to settle actual grudges now...good lord.



420 of those minutes were probably with Batista last year.

If you’re willing to suspend your disbelief and come up with your own story to make shit make sense to the point where you’ve decided “Cena was just acting with Bray therefore it wasn’t THAT unrealistic” then... fuck it.

Jericho was cool with the camera edits that made it look like Matt Hardy teleported. He wanted Matt to LOOK supernatural so that he would look better when he beats him. All totally logical. And it just includes a guy being cool with some quick edits and not agreeing to spend days filming a match that he ends up losing to his bitter rival.

AEW wins the logic war.

[Droford]

I think we all agree Brays losing streak still stands since that was clearly unsanctioned just like Taker/AJ

[#1-norm-fan]

Cena probably chose Bray because he is genuinely impressed with his promos, work ethic, attention to detail, etc. Figured they could do some smoke and mirrors stuff and he could give him the "rub" he didn't get six years ago. It's a way for him to do a match without actually doing a single physical thing, and a way to say "goodbye" and feed Bray's gimmick of changing people.

Goddammit, Noid.

I don’t know what to make of this version of you.

[James Steele]

Honestly excited to listen to the podcasts this week talk about Mania and the 2 “cinematic matches”. Especially Cornette like Noid mentioned.

[rez]

They backtrack all the time.

Better than continue with shat like that Rusev/Lashley crap.

[rez]

Name something else besides Brandi/Nightmare Collective.

[GD]

That was quick

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[rez]

Funny that Braun has been a POS on Twitter and finally got the belt.

[Verbose Minch]

I never understood the critique of AEW backtracking

They're willing to acknowledge when something isn't good, and look to rectify. What's the problem?

[rez]

I'm gonna guess Charlotte as NXT champ isn't going to bring them any better Wednesday night ratings.

[rez]

I never understood the critique of AEW backtracking

They're willing to acknowledge when something isn't good, and look to rectify. What's the problem?

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly excited to listen to the podcasts this week talk about Mania and the 2 “cinematic matches”. Especially Cornette like Noid mentioned.

He's gonna throw in the towel, I reckon. He'll go into a rant about how it's not wrestling. But I can't see him even being offended anymore. It's just so far gone that it won't even hurt his feelings, haha.

If you’re willing to suspend your disbelief and come up with your own story to make shit make sense to the point where you’ve decided “Cena was just acting with Bray therefore it wasn’t THAT unrealistic” then... fuck it.

Jericho was cool with the camera edits that made it look like Matt Hardy teleported. He wanted Matt to LOOK supernatural so that he would look better when he beats him. All totally logical. And it just includes a guy being cool with some quick edits and not agreeing to spend days filming a match that he ends up losing to his bitter rival.

AEW wins the logic war.

You know what? You're right. I shouldn't have to do that. Maybe I should be more angry at it? I dunno, I just can't make sense of it otherwise. I can't honestly believe they expect me to believe that they I thought Cena was stuck in some sort of imaginary world controlled by Bray, can I?

[#1-norm-fan]

Honestly excited to listen to the podcasts this week talk about Mania and the 2 “cinematic matches”. Especially Cornette like Noid mentioned.

I feel like Cornette is not gonna have much to say about Taker. He’s said before that Taker is the one guy who can make a character like that work and when compared to some of the other shit Taker has done, with Cornette involved even, a literal burial even if it’s filmed like a low-budget horror flick is nothing.

The Cena-Wyatt match on the other hand... yeah... That’s gonna be a fucking epic rant.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm gonna guess Charlotte as NXT champ isn't going to bring them any better Wednesday night ratings.

I'm gonna guess that isn't the intention.

I never understood the critique of AEW backtracking

They're willing to acknowledge when something isn't good, and look to rectify. What's the problem?

Because they keep doing the bad shit they need to backtrack from in the first place. Everyone could have told them that Matt teleporting was an awful idea. They still did it. Fuck them. And it's like every other week. They are STILL trying with The Dark Order.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I feel like Cornette is not gonna have much to say about Taker. He’s said before that Taker is the one guy who can make a character like that work and when compared to some of the other shit Taker has done, with Cornette involved even, a literal burial even if it’s filmed like a low-budget horror flick is nothing.

The Cena-Wyatt match on the other hand... yeah... That’s gonna be a fucking epic rant.

:y:

I dunno though, he loves him some Cena too, and I can honestly see him disassociating it so far with wrestling that he's not even going to have any anger towards it. That's kind of how I felt watching it, anyway. Well, when Cena was doing the Ruthless Aggression spot I was like "Nooooo...." but then I was like "Well, I guess it's just a fucking promo spot thing." Maybe he'll be heartbroken? Will be interesting.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think he’s more willing to shit on a Cena story than a Taker one though. He’s also expressed loving Bray Wyatt. He reviewed a Firefly Funhouse segment a few weeks ago and said it was ridiculous but Bray is so good that he may just be one of those guys who can make the ridiculous work. This match though...

[Verbose Minch]

Because they keep doing the bad shit they need to backtrack from in the first place. Everyone could have told them that Matt teleporting was an awful idea. They still did it. Fuck them. And it's like every other week. They are STILL trying with The Dark Order.

From what I've seen online, most people didn't like the Dark Order at first (myself included). However, once they started with the cult recruitment vignettes, a lot of people (myself included) started warming up to it.

Wrestling fans are so finicky, nobody can truly know what's going to be popular until its released. Who would've thought the Mandy Rose and Otis storyline would've been as popular as it has been? Knowing when to push through and tweak things (Dark Order) and knowing when to outright abandon things (Evil Collective or whatever the fuck) is a pretty critical skill, and right now, AEW has it figured out.

Matt teleporting (being projected) sucks, yes. But they're trying to have fun with an empty arena. WWE did teleporting on Friday (to better effect) but it still happened. I don't mind everyone thinking outside the box to entertain us right now. That's why we got the extremely fun Taker/Styles match

[BigCrippyZ]

I'm not entirely sure that this isn't exactly what Vince McMahon eventually imagined the WWE becoming and they move into this style of thing more and more. I don't know, I've just got a weird feeling that Vince is having a ball and he believes this is his ticket to Emmys and becoming pure entertainment. Maybe that's an irrational fear?

Haven't seen the Firefly Funhouse Match yet. It sounds...insane. My big thing is that you can buy it is two guys having a legitimate fight. I don't mind them doing sets and shit for some of them, because it's the WWE and they've got that money and there's a fucking virus keeping them out of arenas and shit. But was it believable that there was a dude named Bray Wyatt having a fight with John Cena outside all the gimmicky shit?

Are you sure you're not being paid to be Vince's pathetic whore who is paid based on how many times you can suck him off?

[BigCrippyZ]

From what I've seen online, most people didn't like the Dark Order at first (myself included). However, once they started with the cult recruitment vignettes, a lot of people (myself included) started warming up to it.

Wrestling fans are so finicky, nobody can truly know what's going to be popular until its released. Who would've thought the Mandy Rose and Otis storyline would've been as popular as it has been? Knowing when to push through and tweak things (Dark Order) and knowing when to outright abandon things (Evil Collective or whatever the fuck) is a pretty critical skill, and right now, AEW has it figured out.

Matt teleporting (being projected) sucks, yes. But they're trying to have fun with an empty arena. WWE did teleporting on Friday (to better effect) but it still happened. I don't mind everyone thinking outside the box to entertain us right now. That's why we got the extremely fun Taker/Styles match

This.

If you can't acknowledge this... well you're either 1. a complete dumb motherfucker, 2. a completely out of touch, idiot, 3. a cocksucker, 4. are being paid off, or 5. some combination of 1 through 4.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The Dark Order sucked when they started. After the vignettes started showing up, and they put a shirt on Evil Uno, things got more interesting. I agree with Cornette that Brody Lee should be on his own and Jake should've been the exaulted one. But this is what we've got. And I'm willing to give it a shot. The fact that AEW at least acknowledges its short comings and tries to course correct is something. It's certainly better than just shoving it down the audience's throat without accepting it's not working.

[slik]

Note: Noid doesn't really watch AEW, he just randomly attacks it for attention on here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he’s more willing to shit on a Cena story than a Taker one though. He’s also expressed loving Bray Wyatt. He reviewed a Firefly Funhouse segment a few weeks ago and said it was ridiculous but Bray is so good that he may just be one of those guys who can make the ridiculous work. This match though...

He likes Bray’s promos, but I’m not sure he’s sold on him yet. Watching it again, it definitely does feel like it’s intended to be legit. Like Cena was actually there to fight Bray. I’m trying to think whether or not that would be the stupidest thing they’ve ever done, or if it belongs right in the same realm as Hornswoggle, Papa Shango, Taker murdering Bearer, etc.

Wrestling is so fucking dead.

From what I've seen online, most people didn't like the Dark Order at first (myself included). However, once they started with the cult recruitment vignettes, a lot of people (myself included) started warming up to it.

Wrestling fans are so finicky, nobody can truly know what's going to be popular until its released. Who would've thought the Mandy Rose and Otis storyline would've been as popular as it has been? Knowing when to push through and tweak things (Dark Order) and knowing when to outright abandon things (Evil Collective or whatever the fuck) is a pretty critical skill, and right now, AEW has it figured out.

Matt teleporting (being projected) sucks, yes. But they're trying to have fun with an empty arena. WWE did teleporting on Friday (to better effect) but it still happened. I don't mind everyone thinking outside the box to entertain us right now. That's why we got the extremely fun Taker/Styles match

This is a whole bunch of bullshit. The Dark Order sucks and they’ve made a Brodie Lee unwatchable because it’s a Tony Khan idea and he’s going to get it through, dammit.

Teleporting is stupid regardless of where it is. WWE doing something doesn’t justify someone else doing it if it’s a bad idea. People want an alternative, not WWE Lite. There’s no way anyone could think that was a reasonable idea. You call it “out of the box.” That’s the kindest fucking cop-out I’ve ever heard.

Otis and Mandy is a fucking cutesy love story between a big nervous guy and a hot blonde. That’s not really an alien fucking concept. Or an actual alien. Or Orange Cassidy. Or Joey Janela. And at least it’s a story told start-to-finish. Whatever did happen to Tully Blanchard that time he got tied to a chair? Michael Nakazawa and his beatings. Did Christopher Daniels ever get revenge on Pentagon? They are guilty of the exact same stop-start, 50/50, wtf bullshit as WWE. You can be biased and like but not the other, but don’t tell me they are different. It’s all intelligence insulting bullshit.

I wanted AEW to be good so bad. They fucked it up for me. Go enjoy it with 600k hardcore fans if you really want to, but it’s not good. We have a saying over here: Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Note: Noid doesn't really watch AEW, he just randomly attacks it for attention on here.

Nobody really watches AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have to admit, it is fun to take shots at AEW. Whenever you do, you are immediately called a WWE apologist or it’s implied you’re on the take. It’s ludicrous stuff. There’s no way you can just not enjoy a promotion that can’t figure out that if you’ve got Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard under contract you should actually let them talk.

[slik]

Over one million viewers a week watch AEW within the first 3 days of every new Dynamite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Including those who DVR it to fast forward through the shit. And they’re not making any new fans.

[slik]

No one is making new wrestling fans Noid.

Not WWE. Not AEW. Not NWA Texoma.

[Mr. Nerfect]

2.3 million people (0.7 demo share) watch SmackDown every week. That shit must be white-hot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No one is making new wrestling fans Noid.

Not WWE. Not AEW. Not NWA Texoma.

Yeah. Big problem.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Good news for WWE though: Since this Matt Hardy shit is supposed to be the revolution we are all hoping for (pfft), WWE should get all those people, because AJ vs. Taker was better than anything Matt Hardy has ever done in his singles career. Will be interesting to see how AEW follows it up. Can’t wait to see that Matt Hardy magic.

[slik]

I assume RAW will be at 1.2 million viewers in 3 months if they have to stay at the PC.

Good show, Bad show, average show - it won't matter.

[slik]

We're on the cusp of possibly the further shrinking of pro rasslin fans, just enjoy it all if you choose while the ship sinks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, MJF is my favorite wrestler.

[erickman]

I feel like Cornette is not gonna have much to say about Taker. He’s said before that Taker is the one guy who can make a character like that work and when compared to some of the other shit Taker has done, with Cornette involved even, a literal burial even if it’s filmed like a low-budget horror flick is nothing.

The Cena-Wyatt match on the other hand... yeah... That’s gonna be a fucking epic rant.

he crapped on the taker last week on shooting lightning back years ago, so yeah cornett will go off on both. too bad 83 weeks is allready taped i want to see what bischoff thinks about being in the funhouse.

[slik]

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2722169/original/?width=413&version=2722169

[erickman]

We're on the cusp of possibly the further shrinking of pro rasslin fans, just enjoy it all if you choose while the ship sinks.

i don't know it like other sports when it comes back the fans will come back, but they won't sit as close togather for awhile.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I assume RAW will be at 1.2 million viewers in 3 months if they have to stay at the PC.

Good show, Bad show, average show - it won't matter.

Raw is losing viewers, but I think that number scared people more than it probably should have. They only lost about 4% of viewers last week, or 80k. It looked worse because it dropped below that magic 2 million line. AEW lost 16%.

This situation isn’t good for wrestling, but we’ll see who can adapt better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, who edited my post. Big fucking narcs. MJF is awesome. He’d be great in NXT.

[slik]

It was probably owenbrown

smh at owenbrown's nefariousness

[DAMN iNATOR]

I give night 2 a
C

And the sum total of both nights a
C-.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Also, I know I'm probably in the minority here, but although I saw what they were doing with Cena and Wyatt, I couldn't get into it in the slightest.

We're told it was to be a match, so naturally we get...a 15-20 minute talk show segment that looks like it was filmed in a hybrid of a horror movie and a bad Twilight Zone episode.

Literally fuck everything about that bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, I know I'm probably in the minority here, but although I saw what they were doing with Cena and Wyatt, I couldn't get into it in the slightest.

We're told it was to be a match, so naturally we get...a 15-20 minute talk show segment that looks like it was filmed in a hybrid of a horror movie and a bad Twilight Zone episode.

Literally fuck everything about that bullshit.

I don't think you're alone. The longer it lingers the worse the aftertaste is with me. Especially if #1-wwf-fan is right and it's bullshit I try to rationalize it.

[slik]

What was your favorite match @ DAMN iNATOR

[Triple A]

If the Orton vs. Edge match was like 20-25 mins shorter, the show would have seemed so much better to me... Completely ruined the show for me... Didn't even feel like watching after that match

[Mr. Nerfect]

If the Orton vs. Edge match was like 20-25 mins shorter, the show would have seemed so much better to me... Completely ruined the show for me... Didn't even feel like watching after that match

They really need to shake the idea that long is good. They seem to think it immediately equates to epic. Sometimes it would just be better to get in, get out. Especially when you have 20 fucking matches.

[slik]

I think Brock vs Goldberg was the best match at WM 33 and it was maybe 5 minutes long.

[GD]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently WWE didn't even bother to follow their own coronavirus prevention rules when it came to taping the Boneyard match.

Besides the sizable amount of talent used, they also had a somewhat large production staff on site as well.

A photo from the set revealed 15 people and that's not counting Taker's druids and any other production people that might have been off camera.

[Sting Fan]

Noid being so deeply hurt and offended by AEW is what this WM should be remembered for. Feels more entertaining than anything else I have read about the last couple days.

P.S. Noid were you on the Broken Matt Hardy bandwagon last time around? Cant remember and CBF searching... always sounded fucking ridiculous to me, no less so this time around.

But hey buried alive always seemed stupid as fuck to me so whats the odds? I like biker Taker over Deadman everytime. Maybe its the WCW mark in me doesnt get the Taker nostalgia.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid being so deeply hurt and offended by AEW is what this WM should be remembered for. Feels more entertaining than anything else I have read about the last couple days.

P.S. Noid were you on the Broken Matt Hardy bandwagon last time around? Cant remember and CBF searching... always sounded fucking ridiculous to me, no less so this time around.

But hey buried alive always seemed stupid as fuck to me so whats the odds? I like biker Taker over Deadman everytime. Maybe its the WCW mark in me doesnt get the Taker nostalgia.

Thanks, Sting Fan.

I was absolutely not on the Matt Hardy bandwagon last time and got shit because I didn’t like something different and didn’t find it funny or whatever. Used to actually like Matt Hardy, but the Broken Universe stuff was just fucking stupid.

Buried Alive is an awful concept. That’s a thing I just couldn’t get into with this one. I totally buy AJ as a prick, but as someone that wanted to murder Taker? That’s just a bit much. Never been a big fan of Taker myself. Don’t like the zombie stuff, but honestly I think I just found him pretty boring. My first introduction to him was his bury-fest around 2001 though. I was impressed by his actual performance this time around though, and his matches with Shawn Michaels are classics.

[rockman725]

If you take out the 2 movie productions, I really don't think the show was that horrible. Yes, it wasn't what we are use to seeing for something called "Wrestlemania," but given the circumstances, I cannot say it was a total failure. I see a lot of people shitting on Edge/Orton because it went too long. Maybe it could have been a bit shorter, but that was probably the only match I felt invested in as a whole. Several of the other matches were good, not great, but good. Charlotte/Ripley was a pretty good match too.

As far as I'm concerned, I really think the 2 movie productions hurt the show than helped it. The digs at Cena (especially the Nikki one) in whatever the hell that was, made me chuckle a bit, but it wasn't anything close to a match, brawl or fight. And seriously, if that's what wrestling is going to become now, I think I'll finally have to move on from it. Started in 1993 when I was 8 years old and I just cannot get behind that type of product moving forward.

[Jordan]

It's possible that Orton has more bad matches in Mania history than anyone ever.

My match ratings pretty much lead to an equal show both nights. But night 2 had such a horrible long match (Orton and Edge) night 1 has to be considered better. Firefly Funhouse was cool, I preferred Boneyard but it was well done for this program with Cena. Would've like more violence before it was over but it was good.

Really sick of the simple WWE heavyweight main event formula they've been doing for quick matches.

[Jordan]

Also Edge overacts the hell out of all the drama. Horrible actor. You can tell he was trying to bring his "acting talent" to this program and it was shit.

Edge sucks.

[Jordan]

Ripley/Flair was the best match at Mania guys, easily.

[Sepholio]

Just saw a good point made elsewhere that the Bray/Cena match was basically Nightmare on Elm Street.

[Sepholio]

Also when Cena disappeared the lights should have gone out and they come back with Bray standing over Cena in the regular ring with a regular ref sitting there like he just counted the 3, implying that the match did occur and that all the shenanigans were entirely in Cenas head while he was getting beaten by the Fiend in the ring.

[Sepholio]

lol Cenas Instagram plastered with pictures of Bray everywhere now, along with a few of Joe Exotic.

[Volare]

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

That Cena Wyatt segment reminded me a lot of that time Hulk Hogan went to the Dungeon of Doom in WCW. But I thought it was pretty entertaining even if it made no sense.

At least it wasn’t boring.

[Volare]

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mandysacs -
What a #Wrestlemania moment !! ��❤️��☺️ @otis_wwe #wrestlemania36

heelziggler -
DELETE THIS

[Volare]

Also not trying to spam...but why do I feel they were a little late in making this shirt/changing attitudes?

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[DAMN iNATOR]

What was your favorite match @ DAMN iNATOR

For the whole weekend, it has to be the Boneyard match.

[XL]

Just saw a good point made elsewhere that the Bray/Cena match was basically Nightmare on Elm Street.

It was very Spider-Man: Far From Home.

[slik]

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[teamXtremist]

So michael ps hayes did the taker match... bravo

Seems bruce p did the funhouse stuff with lots of input from cena

[dronepool]

The Firefly Funhouse was one of the most unique things WWE did!

[Mr. Pierre]

I’m thankful for the show and truly enjoyed anticipated it, chatting with my friends, and just loving wrestling during this crazy time.

With that being said though, the Funhouse and Boneyard are the only must-see segments from both nights. The two matches worth watching are Rhea/Charlotte and Owens/Rollins. Everything else was skippable.

[LibSuperstar]

I’m thankful for the show and truly enjoyed anticipated it, chatting with my friends, and just loving wrestling during this crazy time.

With that being said though, the Funhouse and Boneyard are the only must-see segments from both nights. The two matches worth watching are Rhea/Charlotte and Owens/Rollins. Everything else was skippable.

Gotta rewatch Ripley/Flair and Owens/Rollins.

[Sixx]

Ok, watched some of it on youtube. I have no idea what the fuck was that stuff with Wyatt and Cena. Also, Cena's haircut was hilarious. I assume it's for some movie he's making, but damn. Looking like an altar boy.

[Sixx]

Also, some shooter game footage? I'd normally assume it's a commercial, but I don't know anymore. So much weird shit in WWE now.

[Sixx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vol72gDI0Mk

Not embedding. End of the video. What is that?

[Fignuts]

https://i.imgur.com/rYhnsTH.png

[Sixx]

Yeah, that's what I thought. But given the shit that takes place in WWE now you can see where the confusion's coming from.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m thankful for the show and truly enjoyed anticipated it, chatting with my friends, and just loving wrestling during this crazy time.

With that being said though, the Funhouse and Boneyard are the only must-see segments from both nights. The two matches worth watching are Rhea/Charlotte and Owens/Rollins. Everything else was skippable.

Gotta rewatch Ripley/Flair and Owens/Rollins.

Becky/Shayna was too short, but for the time they were out there it was a fun hard hitting match.

I also really like the last man standing match, even though it was about 15 minutes too long.

DB/Sami could have been better, but it was laid out to where they needed the crowd vs just having a top notch clinic of a match. Still worth watching though.

So 5 matches I would recommend out of the 14 they had not including the Boneyard/Funhouse or preshow matches.

[Simple Fan]

Honestly forgot about WrestleMania. Probably watch it this week if I can find the time.

[slik]

Man, skip that Orton/Edge match...trust me

[mike adamle]

I didn't think it was that bad

[Simple Fan]

Watched WrestleMania finally. Not in whole but did skip around. Honestly I didn't mind the Orton/Edge match. The Boneyard match might just be the greatest thing in pro wrestling history though. Blown away by how good it was. Wyatt/Cena thing was good but nothing on the level of the Boneyard match.