Wrestlers accused of sexual assault

[Tom Guycott]

As much as I like Cornette, I wouldn't be surprised if this shit was true. Think about the industry as a whole, and how this stuff seemed commonplace -- especially in Cornette's era.

First, you have Moolah. All the old-school guys like Corny and Bruce still won't acknowledge what she did, even though they're definitely well aware. You have commentators with the inside jokes in the 80s about "Terry Garvin's school of self defense." The Mel Phillips stuff and the Pat Patterson rumors. Grizzly Smith was a sexual predator, and people still talk about him glowingly unless they're Jake Roberts.

At the end of the day, if the casting couch stuff happened in Hollywood, how could it NOT be a thing in wrestling -- which has always proved seedier.

All of this makes me think of two things:

1) Cornette alluded to a "rat" story once where he said that "If the social media were around back then, all of Crockett - except Flair - would have been in trouble!" To which Brian Last responded: "... except Flair?" in disbelief. Corny said: "Yeah. Because Ric had a different piece of business."

2) A bit more contemporary, something Awesome Kong said on a shoot interview about the heirarchy in Japan in that there were a lot of girls over there who were "gay for the stay", with heavy implication of girls being taken advantage of (willingly or otherwise) due to the senpai/kohai system: you do what the vet wants you to do. Funny how nothing really ever came out about that, or any other egregious stories about girls being creepers and/or being full on Moolah-esque pimps.

[Evil Vito]

Someone unearthed a podcast from 4 years ago where Sammy Guevara very casually jokes that he wanted to rape Sasha Banks when he was at Raw for a tryout.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Someone unearthed a podcast from 4 years ago where Sammy Guevara very casually jokes that he wanted to rape Sasha Banks when he was at Raw for a tryout.

I'm guessing Sammy was being hyperbolic and was speaking like a dumb idiot 22-year-old. But maybe, just maybe, don't record yourself saying such a thing.

:nono:

[screech]

Hyperbolic or not, it's problematic though right? Like he could have said "man she's hot" or something a bit more tame.

[Evil Vito]

Yep, incredibly stupid and awful thing to say. And the guy interviewing him didn't even react to it.

I expect he'll put out some sort of apology, blaming it on his age and immaturity but it won't matter, he's gonna get shit on regardless. That's just the way these things go.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hyperbolic or not, it's problematic right? Like he could have said "man she's hot" or something a bit more tame.

Oh there's no doubt it's poor and problematic language. I just know I've definitely heard girls say they'd gladly rape a guy and vice versa. They're just trying to communicate a high level of thirst instead of communicating intent.

And I mean let's get serious, rape roleplaying is a thing and it's completely consensual. For many, it's very healthy and spices things up in the boudoir.

With that said, there are things one says that should always remain behind closed doors. This is one of them.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

and I should explain there's a strong difference between bantering with a group of friends in private versus going on a podcast where millions will be listening. You can't conduct yourself in such a way, not just because "Snowflakes will be offended." But because as a celebrity, even in a niche world, your words have impact on people. Some 15 year old dude will hear that and undoubtedly take it the wrong way and run wild with it.

[screech]

Of course. People can have their fantasies (maybe that's the wrong word to use) and whatnot, far be it from me to judge. But yeah there are definitely those thoughts and feelings that shouldn't be made public.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also, in saying that, you should never say it in front of a group of friends, either. It's not a crime or anything, but the more I think about it, it's hard to justify the connotations. You're actively promoting sexual violence whether it's your intent or not.

So, there you go, I have flimflammed on my own argument. I just always have the free speech battle with myself. At the end of the day though, facing professional ramifications isn't the same as legal consequences.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Long story short, context means something. But Sammy is going to have to pay the piper on this one, with little sympathy from anyone (myself included).

[screech]

For sure. There's a difference between "wow she's hot I'd like to fuck her" and "I wanted to rape that woman."

You shouldn't really verbalize either of those, but the second is much more of an issue than the first.

[Savio]

How can I shoehorn a Trump "Grab em by the pussy joke" into this?

[Evil Vito]

Even though it was a hyperbolic way of saying “she’s really hot”, treating rape as a casual joke is a big problem in and of itself.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Even though it was a hyperbolic way of saying “she’s really hot”, treating rape as a casual joke is a big problem in and of itself.

Yeah, throwing it out there like it ain't a thing is really concerning. Like... imagine being Sacha Banks and hearing that.

[Evil Vito]

I'm sure Sammy will put out an apology today but the reality is it's not going to matter. The people who are disgusted by his comments will view whatever he says in the apology as empty and just covering his own ass. The people willing to overlook it "because he was a dumb kid" have already forgiven him and don't even need to see an apology. Everyone will remain entrenched.

If he's truly remorseful, I'd much rather he donate a paycheck to RAINN or something instead of put out a paint-by-numbers apology blaming it on immaturity.

[Jordan]

This last week made me fall out of love with pro-wrestling a bit.

I hope all victims of assault/abuse have their voices heard. At this time, I'm going to watch less pro-wrestling than I did before for personal reasons. I will tune in for the Royal Rumble/WrestleMania/Dynamite. I was going to give ROH a shot post-rona but now that info has come out on Marty Scurll IDK. Might catch NJPW on occasion. I wish good vibes for all.

What are you planning to watch instead?

[Evil Vito]

Also, in saying that, you should never say it in front of a group of friends, either. It's not a crime or anything, but the more I think about it, it's hard to justify the connotations. You're actively promoting sexual violence whether it's your intent or not.

Years ago....I wanna say 2012 or so, me and three friends were out and about in NYC. We all notice a very sexy blonde in a fairly tight dress, presumably on her way for a night on the town.

And my friend who had been in the Army just says "man, why's she gotta dress like that? the four of us could totally have our way with her if we wanted"

And the rest of us kinda nervously laughed and changed the subject because we know he's got a dark, blunt sense of humor but it's like, come on man.

What if we had all agreed with him even in joking? Would he have actually been down for it? It's fucked up.

I too have a dark sense of humor but there's a world of difference between laughing my balls off at Dennis Reynolds being a psychopath on It's Always Sunny and actually saying shit like that in real life.

[Seanny One Ball]

Is problematic the new buzzword

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Is problematic the new buzzword

it's an old as hell buzzword.

[Seanny One Ball]

Thing about rape jokes and dead baby jokes is you can get a good cheap laugh out of them if you are inclined to and judge the situation well enough.

What you don't do is name somebody and say "I'd rape them lolz".

You cant style that out afterwards.
Especially if people have reason to believe you actually find that person attractive and or know them.

That's just insane.

[Seanny One Ball]

Point being a joke should look and sound like a joke, just laughing when you say something appalling isn't fooling anybody.

[xrodmuc316]

I too have a dark sense of humor but there's a world of difference between laughing my balls off at Dennis Reynolds being a psychopath on It's Always Sunny and actually saying shit like that in real life.

It's because of the implication :rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

Dennis Reynolds is the alpha psycho in a show about awful bastards, so the terrible things that lot get up to are all in context and usually very well performed and written.

I think an episode where Dennis has to suffer the consequences of blurting out a badly timed, ill formed rape joke would be great stuff.

[Splaya]

Here's the thing.

Khan has to fire Sammy. Like this might sound like an overreach, but he has to. He basically told Hogan and Linda Hogan that they could not attend AEW events because of Hogan being a racist (he of course did this over Twitter). Now he has to deal with the ramifications. It doesn't matter that it happened four years ago. It doesn't matter if he was trying to be in character of being an asshole. You can't say those things ever.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It wouldn't surprise me if Sammy is let go, at least for a time.

[Splaya]

It doesn't have to be permanent. But in the short term, you have to do it. Let this shit die down, then take the flack when you rehire him and just claim "It happened. But Sammy has worked towards becoming a better person and will continue to do so" or some shit.

[Seanny One Ball]

James Gunn style

[Seanny One Ball]

Symbolic firings for everybody that had a mad moment and said something "out of character".

Beheadings for anybody who does it twice.

Just leave the unrepentant ones alone. They are too powerful.

[slik]

OVW Batista pounding Stacy Cornette while James E jerks off in a chair cutting a promo


https://i.postimg.cc/ZRn72qqF/download.jpg


https://66.media.tumblr.com/572517cefbb1363cf48f7580a9006d6d/tumblr_mggocbYHgq1rg89a6o2_1280.jpg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Symbolic firings for everybody that had a mad moment and said something "out of character".

Beheadings for anybody who does it twice.

Just leave the unrepentant ones alone. They are too powerful.

And slowly but surely, status quo will once again reign supreme.

[Jordan]

Oh my, that is Corny's wife? He forced his OVW Superstars to have HER? Good gawd.

[Triple A]

I strongly feel that nobody should be banished and lose their job for a dumb ass joke from 4 years ago

[Triple A]

Maybe they legit "fine" him if they have to but I really hope they don't actually fire him... incredibly bad precedent to set... And punishment is way too severe for the "crime"... People who want to ruin people's lives for a joke from years ago are psycho imo... I'm sure he's "learned his lesson"... Some people are just out for blood though...

[Triple A]

Apologized... Hopefully people will let it be... Lots of people attacking him in the replies of course... what more do they want...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve made stupid, inappropriate and extremely offensive comments in my past. In my idiotic mind, I thought I was being funny in using words and terms that represent nothing but horror and pain. I am truly sorry for my hurtful words and actions, and I will never forgive myself.</p>&mdash; sammy guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1275130818353135617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I also want to apologize to <a href="https://twitter.com/SashaBanksWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sashabankswwe</a> for my unacceptable comments. She’s an amazing person who didn’t deserve to be the brunt of my offensive remarks. I spoke with her earlier &amp; she helped me learn a gigantic lesson &amp; I thank her for that. Once again, I’m sincerely sorry.</p>&mdash; sammy guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1275140689068687375?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Triple A]

That being said that was an insanely dumb thing to say in 2k16 . . .

[Vastardikai]

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He admits to Hot Tub Parties. He admits to being a swinger (which I am going to need a shit barrel of brain bleach for). He denies the allegations. And... I think that's the reason why I believe him. He admits to so much crazy shit he has done (up to and including threatening to kill people), that why would he lie on this?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Mm... I like Jim and he's innocent until proven guilty. But I listened to a bit of him on the matter, and he immediately relied on discrediting the people and just really petty things to prove he didn't do any coercing.

I hope he's proven innocent in all this shit, but his side of the story isn't all that exonerating in nature.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/g2MFur78Zg">pic.twitter.com/g2MFur78Zg</a></p>&mdash; $asha Banks (@SashaBanksWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/SashaBanksWWE/status/1275140107473956866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Dennis Reynolds is the alpha psycho in a show about awful bastards, so the terrible things that lot get up to are all in context and usually very well performed and written.

I think an episode where Dennis has to suffer the consequences of blurting out a badly timed, ill formed rape joke would be great stuff.

He has that graph, if you are attractive and poor you get away with it, for everybody else, #timesup

[Nark Order]

Apologized... Hopefully people will let it be... Lots of people attacking him in the replies of course... what more do they want...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve made stupid, inappropriate and extremely offensive comments in my past. In my idiotic mind, I thought I was being funny in using words and terms that represent nothing but horror and pain. I am truly sorry for my hurtful words and actions, and I will never forgive myself.</p>&mdash; sammy guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1275130818353135617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Definitely stupid but it was quite obviously a joke/talking shit. Not comfortable with this weird society we've crafted here. Nobody thought he was serious or that it was an actual threat of violence. So weird that we're like "oh, he said a no no word. His life has to be over now."

That being said, it wasn't a smart thing to put on the internet.

[Destor]

Mm... I like Jim and he's innocent until proven guilty. But I listened to a bit of him on the matter, and he immediately relied on discrediting the people and just really petty things to prove he didn't do any coercing.

I hope he's proven innocent in all this shit, but his side of the story isn't all that exonerating in nature.pick one

[Nark Order]

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He admits to Hot Tub Parties. He admits to being a swinger (which I am going to need a shit barrel of brain bleach for). He denies the allegations. And... I think that's the reason why I believe him. He admits to so much crazy shit he has done (up to and including threatening to kill people), that why would he lie on this?

Because everything he admitted to wouldn't get him in trouble and the allegation he's denying would get him in trouble. Not hard to figure out.

Not saying he's lying but he for sure could be.

[Vastardikai]

Mm... I like Jim and he's innocent until proven guilty. But I listened to a bit of him on the matter, and he immediately relied on discrediting the people and just really petty things to prove he didn't do any coercing.

I hope he's proven innocent in all this shit, but his side of the story isn't all that exonerating in nature.

I mean, except for the part where the timeline doesn't match up, sure.

[Seanny One Ball]

Everyone could be lying.

Everyone probably is to some degree over the Corny stuff.

[Evil Vito]

"Still getting heat after 40 years"

That's definitely a Cornette response to allegations of sexual abuse.

[Splaya]

Maybe they legit "fine" him if they have to but I really hope they don't actually fire him... incredibly bad precedent to set... And punishment is way too severe for the "crime"... People who want to ruin people's lives for a joke from years ago are psycho imo... I'm sure he's "learned his lesson"... Some people are just out for blood though...

I respect your opinion. I see both sides to the coin. If he’s truly remosreful, then show it.

But Khan has to do something. Firing might be harsh. Just do what WWE did with the forgotten sons and their push (a different topic) but send him down the ladder a little bit and have him work his way back up.

[Seanny One Ball]

"Still getting heat after 40 years"

That's definitely a Cornette response to allegations of sexual abuse.

He was talking about his untreated gonorrhea

[Nark Order]

Naw. Triple A is dead on. The more we playcate to absolute fucking psycho nutcases who comb the internet for anybody saying no no words, the worse it will get.

[Evil Vito]

According to the many worlds theory, there exists universes where Cornette had a lawyer run through his statements before his podcast.

I imagine that, in all of them, the lawyer said something to effect of "Okay, say absolutely none of this."

So I can only assume this is his lawyer:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/7d/30/0f7d307c2fc7b68fc116d0d66348bb51.jpg

[Destor]

Naw. Triple A is dead on. The more we playcate to absolute fucking psycho nutcases who comb the internet for anybody saying no no words, the worse it will get.i agree with the anti AAA crowd. Mob rule is the way to go. The angriest person is right. Accusation is truth.

[Nark Order]

It would be one thing if Sammy made a threat or was insinuating violence in some way. He was clearly joking. It wasn't a particularly tasteful joke but it was obvious to anybody watching that he clearly was not serious.

[Triple A]

Sasha Banks and nobody else would have ever heard of this random podcast interview from 4 years ago... Seems more harmful to suddenly make it go viral in an attempt to get someone in trouble

[Destor]

Its also important there is no path to redemption. We should label them irredeemable scum and black list them from any meaningful existence.

[Nark Order]

i agree with the anti AAA crowd. Mob rule is the way to go. The angriest person is right. Accusation is truth.

I've always said that if you're cool when something happens like this to somebody then you'd have to be alright with it happening to yourself. I'm willing to bet at least half of the people that cheer this shit on would shit bricks if it happened to them. It isn't implausible for somebody that has posted here since they were a teenager, for instance, to suddenly gain some public notoriety. Somebody with 50k posts has surely said something fucking retarded at some point.

[Destor]

And the older it is the better. People can never change. The person they were is all they will ever be. Forever.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've always said that if you're cool when something happens like this to somebody then you'd have to be alright with it happening to yourself. I'm willing to bet at least half of the people that cheer this shit on would shit bricks if it happened to them. It isn't implausible for somebody that has posted here since they were a teenager, for instance, to suddenly gain some public notoriety. Somebody with 50k posts has surely said something fucking retarded at some point.

"Being okay" with it and understanding it are two different things. I don't think Sammy Guevara deserves to be fired for some moronic shit he said when he was 22. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's a relatively upstanding young man.

But I understand why his firing might happen. I'm not big on cancel culture, but surely Sammy is responsible for his own actions.

This is the free market y'all love so much. It could benefit AEW to cut ties, so that's what they might do. It might not be worth the headache to them.

[screech]

I respect your opinion. I see both sides to the coin. If he’s truly remosreful, then show it.

But Khan has to do something. Firing might be harsh. Just do what WWE did with the forgotten sons and their push (a different topic) but send him down the ladder a little bit and have him work his way back up.

I'm thinking he'll at least get kicked out of The Inner Circle for a bit.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And the older it is the better. People can never change. The person they were is all they will ever be. Forever.

Snide and pompous as ever, I see.

[Seanny One Ball]

Cornette's podcast is fucking wild...

Corny just openly talking about his wife's ass pictures and their open marriage.

"Groomed by Manscape"

He seems pretty confident, no hint of any fear.
Hopefully it is just a load of shit.

[owenbrown]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">AEW statement on Sammy Guevara <a href="https://t.co/11yL2QytF7">pic.twitter.com/11yL2QytF7</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1275157125438849024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

I think Sasha accepting his apology was enough. But if the company felt the need to take action, that's the way to do it :y:

[Nark Order]

"Being okay" with it and understanding it are two different things. I don't think Sammy Guevara deserves to be fired for some moronic shit he said when he was 22. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's a relatively upstanding young man.

But I understand why his firing might happen. I'm not big on cancel culture, but surely Sammy is responsible for his own actions.

This is the free market y'all love so much. It could benefit AEW to cut ties, so that's what they might do. It might not be worth the headache to them.

I dont even understand it. I understand that companies need to keep a certain image but I will never understand validating complete fucking losers that comb the internet for controversy. It doesn't help anybody. Like if a current scandal arises surrounding an employee, they have to address it. This idea though that if someone writes something on a blog/social media post years ago that doesn't gel with current society, that the person needs to be hunted down and purged, that's some dystopian science fiction bizarre world shit. Like, how can anybody be alright living in a world like that? It's an impossible standard to live up to and it just creates a scenario where anybody can be taken down at any time. It's creepy.

[XL]

Cornette calling everybody “marks” whilst also claiming his name has been dropped in all this shit because he has “legit heat” :roll: GTFOH

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I dont even understand it. I understand that companies need to keep a certain image but I will never understand validating complete fucking losers that comb the internet for controversy. It doesn't help anybody. Like if a current scandal arises surrounding an employee, they have to address it. This idea though that if someone writes something on a blog/social media post years ago that doesn't gel with current society, that the person needs to be hunted down and purged, that's some dystopian science fiction bizarre world shit. Like, how can anybody be alright living in a world like that? It's an impossible standard to live up to and it just creates a scenario where anybody can be taken down at any time. It's creepy.

It is wrong to a degree, but it's collateral damage over other, bigger issues.

Also, I've said some questionable shit in my days. And I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure even at my dumbest, that I didn't go on a public forum and start making rape jokes. I mean Jesus christ that's dumb.

I might have, in which case, color me a moron. But I have to think I was never that flagrantly stupid. Then again, I've said some fucked up shiznit on the wrestling forum that's pretty mean to people. So god knows how that would be construed.

[XL]

Oh my, that is Corny's wife? He forced his OVW Superstars to have HER? Good gawd.

I mean, would you do it willingly?

[slik]

The problem w/ cancel culture is it will come for everyone at some point....Live long enough to die a hero or see yourself become the villain


Everyone, absolutely everyone, has said or done something stupid/offensive/cruel at some point. I went to high school w/ people who dropped the f word daily and now are very Pro-LGBTQ. People change, people grow. It's not instant.


If you cancel everyone for everything no one gets to change or grow. Twitter, in particular, does not separate when it comes to people saying offensive/dumb things and committing horrible things, like assault/abuse. Cancel culture wants them all gone.

Hold people accountable for what they say - but do NOT crucify people for crimes they didn't commit.

[XL]

I was like “what’s the link between saying ‘fuck’ and being pro-LGBTQ?”

[Seanny One Ball]

Also, I've said some questionable shit in my days. And I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure even at my dumbest, that I didn't go on a public forum and start making rape jokes. I mean Jesus christ that's dumb.

I might have, in which case, color me a moron. But I have to think I was never that flagrantly stupid. Then again, I've said some fucked up shiznit on the wrestling forum that's pretty mean to people. So god knows how that would be construed.


This shouldn't take long

And considering my proficiency at covering my tracks, I'll get away with it too and I'll deserve my getting away with it because I took the time to learn how to rape like a pro.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

People also clearly get off on canceling people, which is a big issue.

Literally, the moment something "cancel-worth" happens, some of the replies on Twitter are bonechilling. They def get off on the power.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This shouldn't take long



GOd fucking dammit.

[Seanny One Ball]

It's about context and audience.

Also getting caught saying it out loud is way worse.

[Seanny One Ball]

Plus you didn't say it to a woman and you're 4'11" so nobody felt threatened.

In fact at your height you could have been serious and it would have been even funnier.

[xrodmuc316]

The issue with Sammy was he was just stupid.

He couldn't just say he thinks Sasha is hot and he would like to sleep with her, no he had to make it so much worse with rape.

That said, bravo to Sasha for taking the time and educating Sammy, and then commenting publically, using her voice for change.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol I'm pretty sure I was arguing in favor of being harder on potential sex offenders in that conversation, you son of a bitch.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Plus you didn't say it to a woman and you're 4'11" so nobody felt threatened.

In fact at your height you could have been serious and it would have been even funnier.

LOL I am 6 foot 2 you son of a bitch.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah that's the best part.

One rape joke to stop a thousand.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Heroes work.

[Destor]

This shouldn't take long

10/10 joke. Would retweet

[Droford]

Dennis Reynolds is the alpha psycho in a show about awful bastards, so the terrible things that lot get up to are all in context and usually very well performed and written.

I think an episode where Dennis has to suffer the consequences of blurting out a badly timed, ill formed rape joke would be great stuff.

https://www.itsalways.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Dennis-implication.gif

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

pick one

Semantics. If it goes any further, I hope it's proven without a doubt that he's innocent of any wrongdoing.

But he's innocent until proven guilty because nothing has happened to him. And, if anything does happen to him, it should only be the result of due process and a proper investigation.

Really that simple, smart guy.

[Destor]

In honor of dales joke i went to youtube and listened to 10 min of norm macdonald telling rape jokes

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

In honor of dales joke i went to youtube and listened to 10 min of norm macdonald telling rape jokes

George Carlin tells good ones.

Dave Chappelle's one about Cosby "He rapes but he saves" is a good one too.

[Destor]

Semantics. If it goes any further, I hope it's proven without a doubt that he's innocent of any wrongdoing.

But he's innocent until proven guilty because nothing has happened to him. And, if anything does happen to him, it should only be the result of due process and a proper investigation.

Really that simple, smart guy.its a fundamental contradiction at its most basic level. If you are presumed innocent you require no proof to further it. Its assumed. You are by default 100% factually innocent.



This is one of those instances where you have a cognitive dissonance and you will refuse to be introspective on your own thought process. Perhaps you mispoke? Thats an easier scape goat.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

its a fundamental contradiction at its most basic level. If you are presumed innocent you require no proof to further it. Its assumed. You are by default 100% factually innocent.



This is one of those instances where you have a cognitive dissonance and you will refuse to be introspective on your own thought process. Perhaps you mispoke? Thats an easier scape goat.

Lol oh god. I didn't misspeak. I'm just not being literal, you fuck.

Dude deserves a fair trial during which I hope he's proven innocent and exonerated. Also, I'm aware he doesn't have to prove his innocence to not be found guilty. Regardless, I still hope all the claims are disproven. But me, being someone with my own brain and ability to think, has my doubts. Just because I have those doubts doesn't mean I think he should be burned at the stake.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can you tell that your co workers first? Was kind of sick hearing racist jokes all the time at the UK pc... Ask the girls what the Hitler Game is, I bet they still think it's funny</p>&mdash; Alpha Female �� (@Jazzy_Gabert) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jazzy_Gabert/status/1275137077491961857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At the rate things are going, don't see NXT UK coming back once all the smoke clears.

Also doesn't help WWE might not be able to bring any NXT UK talent over to use for regular NXT due to the current travel and work visa ban lasting till the end of the year.

[slik]

I always thought Marty Scurll was gay but he keeps getting accused of going after underage girls on Twitter so looks like I was off-base there.

[Lock Jaw]

Dennis Reynolds is the alpha psycho in a show about awful bastards, so the terrible things that lot get up to are all in context and usually very well performed and written.

I think an episode where Dennis has to suffer the consequences of blurting out a badly timed, ill formed rape joke would be great stuff.

There was an episode a season or two ago about the gang getting "Me Too"d.... I remember liking it, but don't remember a thing about it.

[slik]

Watching Vinny Mac and Big Dave on Donahue rn

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[slik]

https://i.postimg.cc/7h3sFXMT/Screenshot-2020-06-22-at-5-46-34-PM.png

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dave and Vince would have been gym buddies in a different life.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IM NOT FUCKING LYING GOD DAMN!! I HATE IT HERE. <a href="https://t.co/q0MWi4ylfK">pic.twitter.com/q0MWi4ylfK</a></p>&mdash; ������������ ���������� (@thejamiesenegal) <a href="https://twitter.com/thejamiesenegal/status/1275084721303818241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I believe Riddle solely based on the shaking of the video.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I believe Riddle solely based on the shaking of the video.

Also, I'm a fan of his work so he couldn't have possibly done anything.

[Triple A]

What is the person in that tweet alleging, that he cheated on his wife with them? Or is there something else along with that?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Matt is trying to discredit the accuser by claiming she's been stalking him for years. So, I'm guessing she's trying to be like "NO WE WERE BONING YO"

[Destor]

What is the person in that tweet alleging, that he cheated on his wife with them? Or is there something else along with that?i read while it was shaking and thought it was a drug deal but yeah. Booty call.


Which is hilarious cause it means "riddles a bastard for fucking me"

[Destor]

Which tbf i get having low self-esteem

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I must have missed something on the Riddle accusations. Girl says she was in a relationship with married Riddle. She says Riddle forced her to give him a beej in the car with other people in the car. She didn’t know that was assault then but she knows it’s assault now. Riddle says she’s crazy and they tried to get a protection order against her in 2019. Girl’s friend post texts from 2019 showing that they were having consensual but secret sex.

What am I missing here?

[Lock Jaw]

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[Triple A]

Matt is trying to discredit the accuser by claiming she's been stalking him for years. So, I'm guessing she's trying to be like "NO WE WERE BONING YO"

Isn't that a different person though?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The second lady is a transitioned woman right? I don’t think she’s saying Riddle fucked her. I thought she was posting on behalf of the first girl

[Destor]

I must have missed something on the Riddle accusations. Girl says she was in a relationship with married Riddle. She says Riddle forced her to give him a beej in the car with other people in the car. She didn’t know that was assault then but she knows it’s assault now. Riddle says she’s crazy and they tried to get a protection order against her in 2019. Girl’s friend post texts from 2019 showing that they were having consensual but secret sex.

What am I missing here?
I think the implication is if they had consensual sex then she couldnt be a stalker. Which is obviously a nonsequitur. What begins one way isnt how a thing necessarily ends...but thats what i think the texts are supposed to be proving

[Destor]

I think the implication is if they had consensual sex then she couldnt be a stalker. Which is obviously a nonsequitur. What begins one way isnt how a thing necessarily ends...but thats what i think the texts are supposed to be proving
Correction: how things begin are always how they end especially if you are a sexist/racist/homophobe. No one changes. Please dont cancel me. No one has ever nor will they ever better themselves. Very sorry

[Destor]

Side bar: really thankfull i stopped fucking rats before twitter became omnipresent. Sounds like a hellscape. Every insane rat from one end of the country to the other plugged into a microphone sounds awful.


How would build fences like that? Each of them able to communicate to one another...oof.

[Emperor Smeat]

Isn't that a different person though?

Yes.

The second person is the one who's claiming the stuff about Riddle being manipulative and cheating is true since he did the same to her.

[Emperor Smeat]

Impact fired Joey Ryan and Dave Crist while Michael Elgin got hit with a suspension for the time being.

I'd be surprised if Ryan isn't put on a sex offender's list when this is all done since the amount of stuff on him keeps piling and even includes more incidents with underage women.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impact Wrestling has terminated the contracts of Joey Ryan and Dave Crist. Michael Elgin has been suspended pending further review of allegations.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1275255511710040067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Meanwhile an old accusation against Brock Lesnar committing sexual harassment during his early years in WWE recently resurfaced.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hdz4eg/wwe_legend_terri_runnels_accuses_brock_lesnar_of/

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Brock literally stalked Sable until she married him lol

[Lock Jaw]

Kane did the same to Lita

[Mr. Nerfect]

Impact fired Joey Ryan and Dave Crist while Michael Elgin got hit with a suspension for the time being.

I'd be surprised if Ryan isn't put on a sex offender's list when this is all done since the amount of stuff on him keeps piling and even includes more incidents with underage women.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impact Wrestling has terminated the contracts of Joey Ryan and Dave Crist. Michael Elgin has been suspended pending further review of allegations.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1275255511710040067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Meanwhile an old accusation against Brock Lesnar committing sexual harassment during his early years in WWE recently resurfaced.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hdz4eg/wwe_legend_terri_runnels_accuses_brock_lesnar_of/

Hasn't Michael Elgin's past been kind of known about by everyone for quite some time now? I may have disconnected from the story and blocked out details and the like, but I know his name has been flung around and New Japan even stopped using him.

I'm not saying TNA shouldn't do anything, but taking the seriousness of these issues to one side for a second -- it's pretty weird that TNA, the home of wrestling's reprobates -- is putting on a public face in regards to this movement. I guess that's "smart" and what they should do, but it's just...weird. I dunno. Is Moose going to get suspended because of his past of domestic violence that TNA knew about when they hired him?

Got no clue how bad the Joey Ryan stuff was getting. I knew the guy was a creep and have long objected to his general existence in wrestling, but this is making me really sad. I'm glad the guy is finished -- obviously not glad it happened in the first place -- but there's something jarring about how bad it's getting with him. Maybe it's because he hid it all behind "jokes" about people touching his penis and putting Easter baskets on his crotch "for the kids." Eh, it's just dark shit.

[erickman]

Side bar: really thankfull i stopped fucking rats before twitter became omnipresent. Sounds like a hellscape. Every insane rat from one end of the country to the other plugged into a microphone sounds awful.


How would build fences like that? Each of them able to communicate to one another...oof.

looks like the rats now are going to wrestling school, an are now women wrestlers. i can see companys get rid of the womens div and atleast try to keep the woman and men from traveling togather.

[Tom Guycott]

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He admits to Hot Tub Parties. He admits to being a swinger (which I am going to need a shit barrel of brain bleach for). He denies the allegations. And... I think that's the reason why I believe him. He admits to so much crazy shit he has done (up to and including threatening to kill people), that why would he lie on this?

Funny this is a new revelation for folks. He's alluded to as much in the past, along with being more inclined in the direction of leather & lace with not only his tastes in women (example: notice how much he puts over Rhea Ripley's look. It ain't just because she's "unique" in the business sense - lt lines up with other quips he's made about his tastes in "rats" way back when; veering well away from the teeny boppers and soccer moms and more towards the "scary" ones who would prob'ly stop just short of putting cigarettes out on him).

[xrodmuc316]

Impact fired Joey Ryan and Dave Crist while Michael Elgin got hit with a suspension for the time being.

I'd be surprised if Ryan isn't put on a sex offender's list when this is all done since the amount of stuff on him keeps piling and even includes more incidents with underage women.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impact Wrestling has terminated the contracts of Joey Ryan and Dave Crist. Michael Elgin has been suspended pending further review of allegations.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1275255511710040067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Meanwhile an old accusation against Brock Lesnar committing sexual harassment during his early years in WWE recently resurfaced.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hdz4eg/wwe_legend_terri_runnels_accuses_brock_lesnar_of/

Is it really sexual harassment by Brock, or is clearly a rib instigated by your ex husband and another big ribber in Curt Henning? Looking back at a 24 year old kid being pressured to do that by 2 vets.

Timeline wise, that would have also been a few days before the plane ride from hell, where Dustin got drunk off his ads and harassed Terri on the flight so much so he got himself fired!

On that same flight days later, Brock Lesnar got into a shoot fight with guess who, Curt Henning! Maybe Brock felt embarrassed by the vets telling him to do what he did, and he boiled over on the flight.

Terri herself does not get to play the moral high ground, not after all the weird things with New Jack.

[Emperor Smeat]

Hasn't Michael Elgin's past been kind of known about by everyone for quite some time now? I may have disconnected from the story and blocked out details and the like, but I know his name has been flung around and New Japan even stopped using him.


There was at least one new allegation that recently popped up about him.

Mostly involved him sending dick pics to an unwilling person.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There was at least one new allegation that recently popped up about him.

Mostly involved him sending dick pics to an unwilling person.

If it's an old case popping up, well, that sucks. If he's still fucking up after his big scare a few years ago, he really is beyond learning at this point.

[Emperor Smeat]

Is it really sexual harassment by Brock, or is clearly a rib instigated by your ex husband and another big ribber in Curt Henning? Looking back at a 24 year old kid being pressured to do that by 2 vets.

Timeline wise, that would have also been a few days before the plane ride from hell, where Dustin got drunk off his ads and harassed Terri on the flight so much so he got himself fired!

On that same flight days later, Brock Lesnar got into a shoot fight with guess who, Curt Henning! Maybe Brock felt embarrassed by the vets telling him to do what he did, and he boiled over on the flight.

Terri herself does not get to play the moral high ground, not after all the weird things with New Jack.

Yeah since its still a form of sexual harassment in the end.

Do that at any other job and that's pretty much grounds for an immediate firing unless management decided to cover it up or ignore it.

[erickman]

wonder how many of these stories will make season 3s darkside of the ring

[Seanny One Ball]

Who cares?

Jim likes to swing and he admits it.
No point pretending you knew it before he said so though, all assumptions mean nothing compared to cold hard admissions of kink.

[Mr. Nerfect]

wonder how many of these stories will make season 3s darkside of the ring

I think they'll probably address the first sex scandal. Seems "topical" and something they could use as a "main event" program.

[fundiddle]

i listen to corny because he makes me laugh. i certainly had hoped there was no sinister truth to the accusations and since i haven't come across examples of corroboration and listened to his drive thru episode about it and felt like he didn't appear to have anything to hide, i feel a little relief


also, i don't think i ever watched that whole donahue episode. pretty surreal to see something from the early 90s dealing with the matter of sexual assault and harrassment with a television audience laughing everytime the subject of unwanted homosexual advances is discussed. the dumb cunt at the end in the crowd "but it's it all phony anyway?"

[Nark Order]

Sounds like Riddle was fucking around on his wife, he got caught, his lady made him cut off communication, they continued talking, and then he framed her as a stalker. He hooked up with another girl, that girl and the other girl he cheated on his wife with formed a bond (they said they were heartbroken and took a therapeutic picture together), and now they're corroborating each other. Riddle and the first girl had a secret relationship, he did her dirty, she got her feelings hurt by him denying it/making her sounds nuts, and now she's out for some form of retribution. But he's also now locked in a lie because he can't contradict what he already told his wife. A tale as old as time.

[Nark Order]

The supposed incident in the car didn't seem to be important until her friends convinced her it was. If I were to bet, I think the real issue is that they had a relationship, he locked himself into a story about her being crazy, and now she forced the story public to prove that she's not crazy and that they actually had a relationship.

Funnily enough, sounds like Riddle is mostly guilty of being a bro.

[Nark Order]

This is not an official narrative, mind you. Detective Narc is on the case working with the evidence he has.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Are we all just gonna keep glossing over the fact that Riddle was fucking a man transitioning into a woman

[Nark Order]

Apparently I'm missing some evidence on my conspiracy cork board.

[#1-norm-fan]

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He admits to Hot Tub Parties. He admits to being a swinger (which I am going to need a shit barrel of brain bleach for). He denies the allegations. And... I think that's the reason why I believe him. He admits to so much crazy shit he has done (up to and including threatening to kill people), that why would he lie on this?

He also said he has talked to the guy the messages were actually sent to and he had no problem with any of it. That would be a pretty easy thing to call bullshit on if it’s actual bullshit.

[Evil Vito]

This is not an official narrative, mind you. Detective Narc is on the case working with the evidence he has.

Since Riddle's got WWE lawyers involved, I assume Candy Cartwright had to get a lawyer involved too.

robably ends up with WWE litigating in a state like West Virginia that doesn't have anti-slapp laws and they'll drag the proceedings to the point where Cartwright faces complete financial ruin if she keeps fighting.

[Nark Order]

I listened to the Cornette defense. I cannot help but fucking love him.

[Seanny One Ball]

He also said he has talked to the guy the messages were actually sent to and he had no problem with any of it. That would be a pretty easy thing to call bullshit on if it’s actual bullshit.




This was the thing that swayed me most.

He was too confident in his rebuttals and you can't be that confident if you didn't reach out to the guy involved.

Sounds like it was an amateur scam artist.

[slik]

Paige's mom has quit the biz after being called out for abuse of trainees...

Story starting to leak about Austin Theory/13 year old girl...

Video of David Starr being homophobic (while selling Pride merch on his website)...

[Seanny One Ball]

Paige's parents are definite scumbags.

Just look at them.

[drave]

And her

[Seanny One Ball]

She seems more greasy than a scumbag.

[Vastardikai]

And her

She struck me as having "Child Star Syndrome" more than anything else.

[Seanny One Ball]

Pretty controversial to call the victim of revenge porn a dirty scumbag.
I mean her dad is a known criminal, her mum is a nonce... Why you baggin' on Paige bro?

[Evil Vito]

Nothing says "I did nothing wrong" than "I'm quitting the business immediately after 30 years and deleting my social media, bye"

[Nark Order]

Pretty controversial to call the victim of revenge porn a dirty scumbag.
I mean her dad is a known criminal, her mum is a nonce... Why you baggin' on Paige bro?

Was it revenge porn? I thought they were all her own videos and her phone got hacked? Either way, I definitely 100% didn't watch them exactly 57 times. That would be wrong.

[Black Widow]

Even if he's not guilty sensitive internet nerds will convince themselves he is cause they don't like him.

[Seanny One Ball]

Narcissus just casually enjoying the invasion of a woman's privacy reminds me of every American Pie.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I wonder how I'd react if a 30-something woman sexually abused at the age of 10.

I loved late-20-early-30s women back in those days cuz my mom worked at a bank and that was the demo of the ladies who'd babysit me. (UNLIKE NOW WHEN IT'S ONLY 60-PLUS FOR THIS GUY)

Probably would have been mad confused.

[Nark Order]

I didn't invade her privacy. Somebody else did and I was just there.

[Nark Order]

Also. Are we all going to act like we didn't see the Paige videos now? Is this what 2020 is doing to us? How dare all of you

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I actually never saw it.

[#1-norm-fan]

What are you gay?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

yes but that's not the reason I never saw it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

With all the porn out there, why would I watch one with someone I don't care about?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean I guess I don't care about any porn star, but they're professionals, and I respect their abilities...I think.

[Evil Vito]

Brad Madcox

[Emperor Smeat]

Add Darby Allin to the pile of wrestlers accused since two recently came out against him.

A couple more accusations against Joey Ryan who probably belongs in jail at the rate things are now going.

Marty Scurll ended up sort of admitting the underage accusations against him were true and claimed it was ok because he thought she was legal and also thought it was consensual.

Also an NWA-based fanfest managed to do a terrible job reading the room and started blaming some of the victims for being "rats." The follow up tweet afterwards was just as ill timed and poorly thought out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine this being your hot take. And as a PROMOTER. “Get raped in public like a normal person.”<a href="https://twitter.com/NWALegends?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NWALegends</a> <a href="https://t.co/Va7REiCh1J">pic.twitter.com/Va7REiCh1J</a></p>&mdash; Allysin Kay (@Sienna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sienna/status/1274935651943747585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Also add ICW to the pile of UK promotions plagued with accusations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> story about Mark Dallas and ICW was passed along to me by someone who wishes to remain anonymous: <a href="https://t.co/WBg05Cds9U">pic.twitter.com/WBg05Cds9U</a></p>&mdash; Danielle Matheson (@prograpslady) <a href="https://twitter.com/prograpslady/status/1275431516500381696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Weird how, in all of this, the guy whose gimmick was getting people to touch his dick is the one taking the biggest hit on all this.

[Triple A]

Add Darby Allin to the pile of wrestlers accused since two recently came out against him.

Can you post the Darby Allin thing? What is it?

[Evil Vito]

Weird how, in all of this, the guy whose gimmick was getting people to touch his dick is the one taking the biggest hit on all this.

He regularly did a spot in intergender matches where he’d give the girl a German suplex but he’d very clearly cop a feel and honk her tits before delivering the move.

And thanks to his gimmick it was played for laughs. Cringeworthy to think now they he might’ve been doing that move without clearing it with the person in advance.

[Emperor Smeat]

Can you post the Darby Allin thing? What is it?

The first accusation didn't list his name but was being speculated at the time that it was him and later confirmed by his accuser. Also some confusion at the time since there is a wrestler with a similar name that was also thought to be who the accuser was outing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The hardest thing I’ve ever written. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/speakingout?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#speakingout</a> <a href="https://t.co/B5sAmiuvUO">pic.twitter.com/B5sAmiuvUO</a></p>&mdash; Hawlee Cromwell 🌑 (@Hawleeasaur) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hawleeasaur/status/1273747225366204416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/DarbyAllin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarbyAllin</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/eD9pWiZiAN">pic.twitter.com/eD9pWiZiAN</a></p>&mdash; Danika Della Rouge (@DanikaDRouge) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanikaDRouge/status/1275459370197778438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

WHY WONT ANYBODY SHARE MY INTEREST IN MATT RIDDLE BANGING A TRANNY*

I FEEL LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE






*the correct term of course being a transgender woman who I absolutely respect as a brave individual. but it doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well which is very important when shouting

[Nark Order]

I dont understand what Darby Allin is being accused of. It sounds like he was mean sometimes? Like what the fuck is going on.

[Evil Vito]

WHY WONT ANYBODY SHARE MY INTEREST IN MATT RIDDLE BANGING A TRANNY*

I FEEL LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE






*the correct term of course being a transgender woman who I absolutely respect as a brave individual. but it doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well which is very important when shouting

Would watch a Matt Riddle/Jamie Senegal sex tape out of morbid curiosity.

[Seanny One Ball]

Banging a tranny is the room temperature milk of sexual encounters in 2020

[Emperor Smeat]

I dont understand what Darby Allin is being accused of. It sounds like he was mean sometimes? Like what the fuck is going on.

Verbal abuse and sexual assault with the first person and verbal abuse with the second person.

If he was simply being mean sometimes then those accusations wouldn't make sense since they hint what was going on was a lot more severe.

[Seanny One Ball]

Some people seem desperate to have a story to share without actually having a story to share...

[Sepholio]

Not wrestling related but Ron Jeremy just got charged with forcibly raping 4 women. Like damn dude didn't you get enough booty in your career!?

[Emperor Smeat]

Keith Lee opened up on a sexual assault incident committed against him a few years ago. It didn't involve someone in the industry but he wanted to show it isn't just women wrestlers who have been victims of sexual assault and showing support for those who have gone public with their own tales.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not out of spite.<br>Not because I want to cause anyone harm.<br>Not out of hate or anger.<br>I simply want you to know... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/YouAreNotAlone?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#YouAreNotAlone</a><br>.<br>I am <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/PKq2oxgIVD">pic.twitter.com/PKq2oxgIVD</a></p>&mdash; Hopeful Lee (@RealKeithLee) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealKeithLee/status/1275557750387421184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Also seems the accusations against former NWA VP David Lagana isn't limited to a single wrestler since several WWE sources also claim he had a history of committing inappropriate conduct during his time in WWE.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DAVE LAGANA UPDATE: I believe <a href="https://twitter.com/lizsavage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@lizsavage</a> &amp; thank her for speaking out.<br><br>Secondly, mult original sources &amp; now new WWE sources contacted me to confirm misconduct accusations in WWE.<br><br>NEW: Been told a senior AEW executive also had a run-in with Lagana about inappropriate behavior. <a href="https://t.co/ETMPxmXiZO">https://t.co/ETMPxmXiZO</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Randazzo (@RandazzoTweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandazzoTweets/status/1275535059156496386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Seanny One Ball]

Not wrestling related but Ron Jeremy just got charged with forcibly raping 4 women. Like damn dude didn't you get enough booty in your career!?


Rape is usually about power and degradation rather than sexual fulfillment. I mean it achieves all three but psychologically I've read rapists share more in common with sadists than sex addicts.

Also Ron Jeremy comes from an industry where coercion is hard to prove, to the point that a number of sexual assaults happen on these sets. The entitlement and feeling of power probably leads to some unhealthy fixations.

[Fignuts]

I learned from those Darby Allin tweets that there is a wrestler named Taco Michinoku.

It’s gonna be a good evening.

[Nark Order]

Verbal abuse and sexual assault with the first person and verbal abuse with the second person.

If he was simply being mean sometimes then those accusations wouldn't make sense since they hint what was going on was a lot more severe.

I dont see the sexual abuse allegation, I only see the emotional base allegation. Is there somethingg I'm not seeing?

[Emperor Smeat]

The first accusation mentions Allin using threats of ending their relationship if he didn't get sex or had sex acts performed on him basically whenever he wanted.

If she was only doing it out of fear of their relationship ending then he was abusing whatever trust or love she had for him for his own gratification. Basically him taking advantage of her being in a vulnerable position mentally.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea1CVvvXgAMYfZe?format=jpg&name=large

[Seanny One Ball]

That isn't sexual abuse.
That's a fucking stupid ultimatum.

If the other party has the option to leave then how is that abuse?

[Seanny One Ball]

It is emotionally manipulative, shit behaviour from a grown adult.

It isn't "sexual abuse" unless the person is coerced in a more substantial way.

[Seanny One Ball]

This input from non-victims is the perfect way to undermine a growing trend.

This Darby Allin stuff is going to be the Aziz Ansari of the wrestling world.

[Seanny One Ball]

She actually claims it's rape there too.

This is a bad look.

[Nark Order]

Yeah. That's not a scandal. That's a bad relationship between two people in their early 20s. We really need to make sure we're not lumping rapists, sexual abusers, and people who are just dicks into the same category. Being a dick isn't illegal.

Sean is dead on with this one. Ultimatums are signs of a bad relationship but there's no indication that he wasn't allowing her a way out. This is honestly just a shitty early 20s relationship where nobody knows what the fuck their doing yet.

[Seanny One Ball]

I can't imagine a scenario where a person demanding sex somehow rapes you by saying "if you don't give me sex I will leave you".

That is an easy choice to make if you aren't insane or utterly devoid of will.

[Seanny One Ball]

Every person who suggested a sexual favour for a birthday present is now a rapist.

Every time you agree with your spouse "you do the dishes, I'll eat you out/blow you" is you being raped.

[Nark Order]

There's been flashes of this movement that almost seem to treat women like they are infants. Like they have no agency at all. It's really weird. Obviously what's happening is mostly good but there is such thing as an overcorrection.

[Seanny One Ball]

Real feminists hate this shit.
This is "treat me as an equal" but "I will destroy you if I don't have the advantage" in some cases.

Let's not get ahead of the actual truth.

One idiot undermines every legit claim in some eyes, it's no use.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow, you picked up another shovel and kept digging. Trust me, I’d say fuck you to your face. <a href="https://t.co/z0S4TLwgsx">https://t.co/z0S4TLwgsx</a></p>&mdash; Lance Storm (@LanceStorm) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceStorm/status/1275666903160193024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">2/2 <a href="https://t.co/pksoYvRz2q">pic.twitter.com/pksoYvRz2q</a></p>&mdash; NWALegends.com (@NWALegends) <a href="https://twitter.com/NWALegends/status/1275631541373280259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“No respectable female will ever place herself alone in a bathroom or hotel room with a guy”. Delete your account, trash. I’ve roomed with decent men where they didn’t feel the need to touch me because We were sharing a space. Piss off with this.</p>&mdash; The HBIC (@MiaYim) <a href="https://twitter.com/MiaYim/status/1275658541802631172?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not out of spite.<br>Not because I want to cause anyone harm.<br>Not out of hate or anger.<br>I simply want you to know... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/YouAreNotAlone?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#YouAreNotAlone</a><br>.<br>I am <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/PKq2oxgIVD">pic.twitter.com/PKq2oxgIVD</a></p>&mdash; Hopeful Lee (@RealKeithLee) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealKeithLee/status/1275557750387421184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[XL]

.Marty Scurll ended up sort of admitting the underage accusations against him were true and claimed it was ok because he thought she was legal and also thought it was consensual

This is quite misrepresenting (albeit I don’t think intentionally) of what Scrull said.

He didn’t admit “underage accusations” by saying he thought she was underage. At the time she was legal in the UK (where I believe the actions took place) as the age of consent is 16.

He’d have been 26 at the time of the alleged incident, so you could have questions over the age gap and the perceived imbalance of power in the relationship, or Marty’s “status” at the time, but you can’t categorise this as an accusation of “underage sex”.

[Evil Vito]

Even in countries/states where 16 is the age of consent, there's a massive gap in mental and emotional maturity.

Can't accuse of underage sex if both people are legal, legal age is legal age. But I would definitely have a hard time imagining the older person wasn't being manipulative in some way.

Even if there's no legal wrongdoing, anyone in their 20s feeling the need to date/pursue someone who would be the age of a high school sophomore would definitely get the side-eye from me.

[Evil Vito]

And now stuff is coming out about Mike Quackenbush, Ophidian, and various other horror experiences from CHIKARA.

If CHIKARA, which has always presented as a fun-loving safe haven for fans, is now being exposed as dirty........yeah, pretty much given up hope that any of the business is clean.

[#1-norm-fan]

Pretty sure CHW is still scandal-free.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean I haven't heard about sexual impropriety with Quackenbush, but I've also heard his business practices were questionable.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A friend reached out to me after I posted my experience. They would like to remain anonymous for the time being so I'm posting on their behalf. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/5doIHv9tWV">pic.twitter.com/5doIHv9tWV</a></p>&mdash; ❄ Wiggy ❄ (@CZWiggy) <a href="https://twitter.com/CZWiggy/status/1275600745870606337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And here's the story of a second friend's experience at Chikara. Part 1.<br><br>If anyone has a story they want to share but want to remain anonymous, hit me up. I'm not afraid and will happily be the voice of anyone who is ❤ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/x8aeM8ISAZ">pic.twitter.com/x8aeM8ISAZ</a></p>&mdash; ❄ Wiggy ❄ (@CZWiggy) <a href="https://twitter.com/CZWiggy/status/1275607218478624769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

can't read the first one.

[#1-norm-fan]

“Quackenbush”. There’s a great joke in there that I can’t quite figure out. Someone else will. Congrats to them.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol how many more times are we going to hear about "male feminists" being rapists?

MAYBE KALYX WAS RIGHT.

[#1-norm-fan]

It’s definitely becoming more likely that you and I have done some rapin’. I’m gonna have to retrace my steps again. I suggest you do the same.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hey I'm not a male feminist, you fuck.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. But you are a “male feminist”.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:shifty:

[Sepholio]

I remember when Fan raped Norman Smiley.

[drave]

That's how Norman came up with the "Smiley" moniker.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Smilayyyyyy

[XL]

Even in countries/states where 16 is the age of consent, there's a massive gap in mental and emotional maturity.

Can't accuse of underage sex if both people are legal, legal age is legal age. But I would definitely have a hard time imagining the older person wasn't being manipulative in some way.

Even if there's no legal wrongdoing, anyone in their 20s feeling the need to date/pursue someone who would be the age of a high school sophomore would definitely get the side-eye from me.

I think, for sure there’s some questions to be asked of most relationships when there’s a huge age difference, and I’m not really wading in on the Scrull situation, other than to say “let’s make sure the facts are straight”.

[Evil Vito]

April Hunter alleging she was abused and practically tortured by Raven during a European tour. Numerous other people including Daffney have reached out to her with similar stories.

Not really surprised at that one, if true. Raven's a smart guy but always seemed to have a screw loose. Plus there's always been a longstanding rumor that he was caught in bed with a 15-year old Becky Bayless during the ECW days.

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember when Fan raped Norman Smiley.

Fuck, I gotta prepare a statement now.

[Evil Vito]

#1-cancelled-fan

[Sepholio]

Fuck, I gotta prepare a statement now.

1-0 in TPWW real rapes.

Don't worry, if I keep this up I'll get #cancelled too.

[Evil Vito]

#SephIsOverParty

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've already been cancelled, after claiming there was no dirt on me.

[Evil Vito]

The CHIKARA roster has been resigning en masse so yeah it's pretty much game over for them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had no clue Chikara was still running. I don't really feel like wading through those statements. I assume Quackenbush was the name that came up?

[slik]

I believe multiple Chikara names came up

[Mr. Nerfect]

There's more news on the Cornette front. Apparently a guy from OVW named Josh Ashcraft is coming forward and saying that he was the guy that Phil Earley was alluding to. He claims he was contacted by the Cornettes and their attorney about it, and he denies being "okay" with the whole thing like Cornette alleged on the podcast when talking about the Stacey messages.

Not good for Cornette at all, if true. The accusations have all been hearsay and rumors from talent that kind of disproved them in their second breaths. This is an actual alleged first-hand account, that would actually probably be at least somewhat corroborated by evidence of emails, messages, phone calls, etc. from the Cornettes and their attorney, etc.

Really hope this isn't true and just more of the Joey Janela-esque idiot brigade trying to fuck with people, but that seems like an awful thing to lie about and potentially fuck up your own career, as tiny and insignificant as it is. I can't see Al Snow keeping the guy in OVW if it turns out he is lying, for example.

All that being said, I just can't get past how these guys can't spell the names of the people they are accusing or their alleged friends in the business right. Ashcraft misspells "Earley" as "Early" and Earley misspells "Stacey" as "Stacy." I try not to mock people for their spelling and grammar, but when you're making "statements," you should probably spell people's names correctly using something as source material. The whole thing just makes me feel naive to just how backwoods wrestling can be.

[Splaya]

Yeah but Cornette won't care unless he's literally tried, convicted, and thrown in prison.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My thing with Cornette is he pretty much said "if you close your business or go into rehab to treat 'something else' that could cause the abuse, you're admitting guilt."

To me, that sounds like a guy telling you his playbook. Act like it's business as usual and that the claims are utterly preposterous so that you sound credible. Again, the claims could be complete nonsense and a way to fuck over Cornette, you never know. But just because he's brushing them off and acting confident he couldn't have done anything questionable doesn't mean shit.

Anyway, I don't see this getting all that far other than to make the people who hate Cornette hate him that much more while emboldening "the cult." Really difficult to nail someone for this, and Cornette already doesn't work for anyone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Probably not. And to be honest, there is plenty of wriggle-room in the story.

* I don't think Jim Cornette was involved in OVW at this point in time.

* Ashcraft, who apparently said he was not okay with it, is still employed by OVW from the looks of it.

* Ashcraft's own story is that he failed a piss test and got his hotel inspected because he wasn't supposed to have anyone else in there. This could be harassment if the Cornettes arranged it or whatever, but failing a piss test and violating building codes are his responsibility. A shitty thing for the Cornettes (not sure if he's lobbing the criticism at Jim or Stacey, really) to do, but not exactly criminal behavior. The guy breaking the rules is actually this Ashcraft guy.

* Re-reading them, it sounds like Stacey did try to get him fired from OVW, which is shitty. Didn't happen though. No mention of Jim doing that. There's also talk about Stacey doing a self-harm thing to try and emotionally abuse him. That seems like the closest thing to an actual crime in all this.

Sounds like Ashcraft is talking about a consensual relationship with Stacey that he wanted to get out of, Stacey got mad about, with possible stalking and harassment resulting. Ashcraft seems to believe that him getting popped for the piss test and getting inspected is the Cornettes' doing (either Stacey or Jim).

It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim addresses that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

One thing I did kind of morbidly enjoy in Cornette's response was "Fuck no I'm not taking these seriously." It sounds brazen, but when everyone talks in hushed tones and always throat clears a "these are very serious times" preface to everything they say, it is kind of refreshing for a (hopefully) innocent man (at least the way he's framing it), to say "these are fucking lies and this is fucking bullshit."

One thing you can't say about Cornette's language is that it's indirect or filled with euphemisms for anything other than color.

[Emperor Smeat]

The CHIKARA roster has been resigning en masse so yeah it's pretty much game over for them.

Yeup, an official announcement of the company shutting down is expected to be made very soon.

Same for Mike Quackenbush announcing he's resigning as the head trainer of the WrestleFactory wrestling school.

PWInsider.com has been told in the wake of allegations against CHIKARA and owner Mike Quackenbush, an announcement is forthcoming that the promotion is shutting down.

We are told by multiple sources that Quackenbush will also announce he is resigning at the head trainer of the WrestleFactory wrestling academy in Philadelphia, PA ...

There were numerous allegations made overnight, describing alleged systematic abuse towards female trainees and staffers. You can find those accounts at this link. We are told in the wake of the allegations, Quackenbush held numerous meetings with Zoom overnight and this afternoon with talents and staff.

[Vastardikai]

Probably not. And to be honest, there is plenty of wriggle-room in the story.

* I don't think Jim Cornette was involved in OVW at this point in time.

* Ashcraft, who apparently said he was not okay with it, is still employed by OVW from the looks of it.

* Ashcraft's own story is that he failed a piss test and got his hotel inspected because he wasn't supposed to have anyone else in there. This could be harassment if the Cornettes arranged it or whatever, but failing a piss test and violating building codes are his responsibility. A shitty thing for the Cornettes (not sure if he's lobbing the criticism at Jim or Stacey, really) to do, but not exactly criminal behavior. The guy breaking the rules is actually this Ashcraft guy.

* Re-reading them, it sounds like Stacey did try to get him fired from OVW, which is shitty. Didn't happen though. No mention of Jim doing that. There's also talk about Stacey doing a self-harm thing to try and emotionally abuse him. That seems like the closest thing to an actual crime in all this.

Sounds like Ashcraft is talking about a consensual relationship with Stacey that he wanted to get out of, Stacey got mad about, with possible stalking and harassment resulting. Ashcraft seems to believe that him getting popped for the piss test and getting inspected is the Cornettes' doing (either Stacey or Jim).

It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim addresses that.

The piss test is set up from the athletic commission, yes?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The piss test is set up from the athletic commission, yes?

I've got no clue. OVW might reserve the right to privately piss test employees? If so, I don't know how Danny Davis' name doesn't come into this more often. He was the guy running OVW at the time, so was he in on this thing?

[Bad News Gertner]

You know who I bet something comes out about : Matt Striker.

[Evil Vito]

Wouldn't surprise me, he's had nudes leak at some point.

lol he's on a reality dating show now

[Mr. Nerfect]

I used to quite like Striker's commentary. I don't know what was wrong with me.

[Bad News Gertner]

Striker was the hotness for about 6 months. People LOVED Striker for a while.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Todd Grisham & Matt Striker felt like a really good duo for a bit. I'm trying to remember. I have a lot of suppressed memories from this period of wrestling.

[Evil Vito]

I remember going to a live Raw in 2005 and Striker did a promo segment for Heat. His teacher character was fairly new at this point and man the guy was a heat magnet when he first went there.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah I recall Striker's good commentary days being on ECW. Then he got to be a bit too overbearing.

His "THIS IS A MARK OUT MOMENT. I'M MARKING OUT BRO!" line when Booker T and Diesel returned in the 2011 Rumble. Cringe.

[Bad News Gertner]

I remember going to a live Raw in 2005 and Striker did a promo segment for Heat. His teacher character was fairly new at this point and man the guy was a heat magnet when he first went there.

I loved that gimmick. I loved Striker with Big Daddy V.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I recall Striker's good commentary days being on ECW. Then he got to be a bit too overbearing.

His "THIS IS A MARK OUT MOMENT. I'M MARKING OUT BRO!" line when Booker T and Diesel returned in the 2011 Rumble. Cringe.

People were like "awesome, one of us is announcing", and then they realized how annoying they are.

[Evil Vito]

I can appreciate announcers making the occasional wink wink reference to things, but that was just so obnoxious lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

I tried to defend it at the time, haha. I wanted to like Striker so bad.

Even more obscure than his ECW run as Big Daddy V's manager (well, that wasn't so obscure), was that one week he was Tyson Kidd's "super agent" on Superstars. I think it was Kidd, anyway. TK went through weeks of having a new guy in his corner every week. I think JTG did it one week. Striker had a headset and walked around ringside pretending to talk to someone the whole time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He CLEARLY has a passion for the business, but his application is just a little much sometimes.

[Evil Vito]

lol that all-women's season of NXT when Striker, Mathews, and Cole were just completely fucking around the entire time

[Mr. Nerfect]

In kayfabe, pretty sure Primo got some from AJ Lee.

[DaveWadding]

Matt Striker is still a great commentator. Fight me.

[Fignuts]

He was good in Lucha Underground

[Bad News Gertner]

People also started turning on Striker when he started making incorrect obscure references and it was happening a lot.

[Bad News Gertner]

I tried to defend it at the time, haha. I wanted to like Striker so bad.

Even more obscure than his ECW run as Big Daddy V's manager (well, that wasn't so obscure), was that one week he was Tyson Kidd's "super agent" on Superstars. I think it was Kidd, anyway. TK went through weeks of having a new guy in his corner every week. I think JTG did it one week. Striker had a headset and walked around ringside pretending to talk to someone the whole time.

I'm pretty sure Michael Hayes did as well

[Jordan]

I will fight anyone of you Matt Striker defenders. He sucks, at that's that, JACK!

[Evil Vito]

I hope CZW burns down next but it feels like CZW and IWA-MS sort of exist in a place beyond shame, nor do their images hinge on respectability in the way CHIKARA's did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm pretty sure Michael Hayes did as well

Yes! That's right.

Fuck, I actually really liked Tyson Kidd and don't even feel guilty about it.

People also started turning on Striker when he started making incorrect obscure references and it was happening a lot.

Sometimes him being incorrect didn't even need to be obscure. "CENA'S FREE!"

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IMPACT Wrestling have released a statement regarding Michael Elgin, who they had previously confirmed had been suspended pending further investigation:<br><br>&quot;IMPACT Wrestling has announced that Michael Elgin will not be appearing in any further IMPACT Wrestling programming.&quot;</p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1276543638244294663?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

WWE released Ligero

[Evil Vito]

They've pulled down Travis Banks' profile as well so he's probably next.

[Seanny One Ball]

Was it Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty who used to roofie women's drinks then shave their heads?

Also I'm pretty sure the Brisco brothers used to drug other wrestlers and mess with them. I'm sure there's a story about them dosing Gene Anderson or someone.

[Black Widow]

Marty was willing to fuck his step daughter or whatever so wouldn't be a shocker.

[Seanny One Ball]

Erm...someone stole his phone.

Judgy...

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Fightful, WWE is preparing more releases soon to cleanse their roster of problematic talent.

Also hinted Velveteen Dream's days in the company are now numbered since some other stuff about him have recently popped up and are unrelated to his current accusations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE is serious about cleaning up their roster from what I hear, in regards to many problematic wrestlers.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1276636964595343360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've been hearing this, as well as some not so wonderful news about him that doesn't have to do with any of the allegations. <a href="https://t.co/34168lwI5l">https://t.co/34168lwI5l</a></p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1276641711591170048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE would obviously love to be as clean as possible from any possible scandal. Their stock and business image is way too connected to their PR and their business relationships. Other promotions like AEW and TNA can afford to be more haphazard with how their implement disciplinary measures, to the extent that they just have to not piss off whatever fans they have too much. Well, in AEW's case they need to look after the TNT relationship.

I'm not surprised that WWE is being careful with this too and not just firing everyone whose name comes up. The last thing they want to do is invite "big bad company" perspectives for firing people who don't deserve it, which could be a hit to their public image on its own, and possibly invite inquisitions into their past as an entity.

[slik]

Plot Twist

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has confirmed to me that Velveteen Dream was in a car accident today, and has been released from the hospital.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1276682438811533312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE's also been more careful because the sheer scope of the accusations is way too much for them to simply sweep under the rug and them being pre-occupied with the coronavirus outbreak and other PR nightmare happening at their Performance Center.

Right now, WWE's looking at a brand that's potentially beyond saving (NXT UK), a wrestling scene that's in a very dire situation (UK), and notable talent being among those accused instead of just some low level guys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The UK stuff, like, it's also largely because I don't give a fuck about NXT UK and always think the internet bubble exaggerates "indy resurgences," but I'd just fucking cut it. If there are talents that are worth a shit that don't have anything against their name, offer them a spot in the US. If they don't want to take it, so be it. Take the hit and move on.

[Emperor Smeat]

The wrestling renaissance in the UK was real but lasted a couple of years at most and got killed off by WWE and ITV before it could truly blossom or hit the next level. Rev Pro, Progress, and OTT likely don't get the deals they currently have with NJPW and WWE if it wasn't for that renaissance period.

Problem with simply shutting down NXT UK and moving talent to the US is the regular PC is already way too bloated to take on more talent without more call-ups being made which would just lead to the main roster being even more bloated. Plus doubt Triple H wants another big black mark on his NXT global expansion plans considering the biggest supporters of ditching the brand got fired a while ago (WWE's former co-presidents).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Real to what extent? Nothing was booming. PROGRESS having a few hundred people interested? What does that mean?

[Evil Vito]

If NXT UK got shut down I reckon they’d offer WALTER, Toni Storm, Kay Lee Ray, Tyler Bate, and Gallus spots in the US (though Bate and one of the Gallus names are still being looked into as part of the scandal). Plus Pete Dunne returning to the US which I assume he was already going to do once the pandemic was over.

Some of them would agree to come, but probably not WALTER as he’s long said he has no interest in moving to the US. If that leads to WALTER in New Japan that would rule.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People say that WALTER was against moving to the US, and I'm sure he said that, but that was quite a while ago. He's been treated well by the company for a fair bit now, and they can offer A LOT of money to change someone's mind.

[Emperor Smeat]

Real to what extent? Nothing was booming. PROGRESS having a few hundred people interested? What does that mean?

Revenues, attendance, and business in general was going up during that period which led to the feeling the scene was experiencing a boon not seen in a very long time.

Not Attitude Era or Hulkamnaia like levels but something that could have been built upon or be a stable foundation for future greater success had WWE and ITV not stepped in when they did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Revenues, attendance, and business in general was going up during that period which led to the feeling the scene was experiencing a boon not seen in a very long time.

Not Attitude Era or Hulkamnaia like levels but something that could have been built upon or be a stable foundation for future greater success had WWE and ITV not stepped in when they did.

Yeah, I'm not saying that it was progressively worse, year after year. I'm just saying that the idea that it was "booming" is probably wrestling bubble exaggeration. I've had people ask me about how great it must be that the same thing is happening in Australia, and my response is "What the actual fuck are you talking about?" NO ONE gives a shit about wrestling over here. Yet we were apparently experiencing a similar thing.

I'm not even using Attitude era or Hulkamania as extreme examples. ICW doing a show of 1,000 people or whatever is just not worth getting excited about. Not really.

[Emperor Smeat]

Compared to where the scene was before the renaissance happened, it was booming by comparison. In a span of about 2 years (2013-2015), ICW went from holding one of the big events with around 1200 in attendance to getting 4000 based on a quick search.

Even if its not big or really noticeable growth, Australia grew enough in recent times to catch both WWE and NJPW's eyes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A boom in comparison is such a relative term, haha.

[XL]

Do you want to offer another term other than “boom” so that we can move past the semantic argument?