Wrestlers accused of sexual assault

[Evil Vito]

David Starr has been accused of sexual assault and gaslighting from multiple ex-girlfriends. Irish-based promotion OTT has already stripped him of their World Title and I'm pretty sure he's gonna be fired by just about every place he works today.

[Jordan]

I bet he goes to Khali's promotion in India.

[Evil Vito]

Mikey Whiplash, Kid Fite, and Ligero are being outed by their female trainees as sex pests now as well.

[Bad News Gertner]

totally read that as Mikey Whipwreck

[Evil Vito]

lol I did that too, was so confused as to why loads of British and Scottish women's wrestlers were speaking out against hi,

[slik]

Don't want anyone to lose their job but sort of hope WWE implodes more soon....otherwise greedy capitalist Vince will just keep trying to expand and create more shows and nxt regions....

in a 'perfect world' only 1 wwe show a week would exist and it would be 2 hrs long...so much less time commitment to be a fan + how can you ever get new fans if it involves watching like 9 hrs of tv a week and more if there are ppvs....

[Emperor Smeat]

Mikey Whiplash, Kid Fite, and Ligero are being outed by their female trainees as sex pests now as well.

Add Joe Coffey and Jordan Devlin to the list of wrestling scumbags getting outed today.

Devlin more so of him being abusive towards a one woman and Coffey for being a huge creep and stalker.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is scary. I'm really scared. Jordan Devlin did this to me. And this is just the physical damage. <br><br>Not including my arse and back bruises....because I don't fancy posting that online ����█♀️ <a href="https://t.co/TI5CxREpDQ">pic.twitter.com/TI5CxREpDQ</a></p>&mdash; Hannah Francesca (@TextbookGlovers) <a href="https://twitter.com/TextbookGlovers/status/1273731764222033924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I had to block Joe Coffey on all my social media accounts because he wouldn’t leave me alone. <br><br>I’ve been told tonight that hes sexually harassed 3 girls, sending unsolicited naked images, voice notes, stalking. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/speakingout?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#speakingout</a></p>&mdash; Sierra Loxton ������ (@SierraLoxton) <a href="https://twitter.com/SierraLoxton/status/1273722438141071361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Aren’t like 90% of wrestlers scumbags?

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably since you could probably expose almost any notable wrestler for something bad they did in the past if you go far back enough, especially in the age of social media.

Difference being the level of scumbagness being committed by that wrestler. Like its one thing for a wrestler to simply be mean spirited towards someone(s) but its another when it starts to involve physical and mental abuse.

[slik]

Aren’t like 90% of wrestlers scumbags?

Probably...over time almost every wrestler seems to be some scumbag, massive carny or both

[Outsider]

The UK wrestling scene is the field today for a host of sexual misconduct allegations that have been levied against talent including NXT UK’s El Ligero, Mikey Whiplash and more. Several people have spoken out, apparently in the wake of the sexual abuse allegations (https://411mania.com/wrestling/david-starr-accused-of-rape-and-sexual-abuse-says-hes-not-a-predator/) against David Starr, accusing several people within the UK scene of various forms of misconduct.

Among the accusations are accusations by Natalie Sykes that El Ligero, who trained her, sexually harassed her on multiple instances. Sykes claims that Ligero began making sexual comments that mader her uncomfortable and while at first she tried to “laugh it off so he wouldn’t get mad at me,” the situation escalated to where he began trying to control her private relationships and psychoanalyze her relationship with her father. Sykes alleges that while doing this, Ligero “compared himself to being my father figure whilst also joking about sleeping with me.” She alleges that Ligero became verbally and mentally abusive to her and that it caused her considerable mental distress, noting, “I hate the person I was during that year and a half.” In a follow-up post, she shares a message from someone else who notes that Ligero did a similar thing to them.


Mikey Whiplash (not to be confused with ECW alum Mikey Whipwreck) is also facing accusations after several women released a statement through the @WrestlingNoContext Twitter account alleging that Whiplash has made unwanted sexual advances, sent unsolicited messages to female trainees and workers, gaslighted women and “even becoming physically violent with a number of women.” Whiplash was the promoter for Fierce Females, an all-women’s promotion in Scotland, who the women say is an unsafe environment due to Whiplash. NXT UK’s Piper Niven posted in support of these statements with an “It’s Time” message and noting, “I feel like we are all just waiting for someone else to go first. I’m scared too, I see you and I love you.”


Fierce Females’ co-owner Naveda Rose has posted in response to the allegations against Whiplash, noting at first, “I also own Fierce Females and this is obviously pretty deeply disturbing. I don’t want to silence anyone. This is the first I’m hearing this stuff, so I’m gonna start trying to see what is going on. This is obviously serious stuff and I don’t want an unsafe platform.” She followed up a few hours later noting that Whiplash is no longer part of Fierce Females, adding, “I take the voices and rights of women to have a safe platform incredibly seriously, so going forward I’ll be running it on my own.”


The allegations aren’t just being made by women. Both MJ Maxx and Jake Long have accused longtime referee James Finn of sexually harassing them. Maxx alleges that Finn harassed him in October of 2019, while Long says his experiences with Finn happened twice, both in 2017. Long’s are more specific, alleging that Finn tried to grope him when he thought Long was asleep.


Among the other allegations are claims by wrestler Gracie Lou Freebush that referee Marc “Paz” Perry has sent unwanted explicit pictures to herself and at least two other woman, and a lengthy thread by former ring announcer Lisa Gifford detailing various experiences of sexual harassment from talent and fans within the UK scene. Sierra Loxton has also alleged that Joe Coffey has sexually harrassed her as well as three other women by sending unsolicited nude photos and voice notes, as well as stalking them.


You can see the many posts about this below. NXT UK’s Pete Dunne has posted about the situation, noting that he is “disgusted by what I’m reading. Well done to those speaking out. I really hope we can make British wrestling a better place and keep everyone safe. This is a huge eye opener and let’s hope it will force a big change.”


Lots of names floating around on Twitter at the moment of prominent individuals in the British wrestling scene, including several signed to NXT UK, who are being accused of improper sexual conduct. Seems to be many cases from female wrestlers.


Have also seen tweets mentioning a list of 45 wrestlers, and have seen Will Ospreay mentioned as one of them.



Looks pretty bleak. Obviously thoughts to all those who have been affected, and certainly could be the end of a few careers after this.

[Seanny One Ball]

This would never have happened to the women of The World Of Sport era.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Add Jimmy Havok to the shitty people pile. His ex posted a long disturbing post about her threatened her with harming himself to keep her in line.

[Emperor Smeat]

Current rumor going around the net is WWE is holding an emergency meeting over their NXT UK brand due to the growing number of accusations there.

Seems on the US side, Jake Hager and a writer from website Uproxx have popped up among those being accused. Also the longtime underage rumors involving Marty Scurll and Joey Ryan have resurfaced again.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I made a very vague post yesterday about <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJimCornette</a>.<br><br>In the face of current events I feel the need to clarify and speak up.<br><br>During my first year in the business, his wife, Stacy, attempted to groom me. /1</p>&mdash; AKI Evolution (@AKI_Evolution) <a href="https://twitter.com/AKI_Evolution/status/1273755945466806278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

9-post thread claiming that Jim Cornette and his wife Stacey have forced talent to perform sexual acts on Stacey while Jim watched as a condition to getting OVW bookings.

[Emperor Smeat]

Joey Janela hinted at that rumor a couple months ago when him and Cornette were feuding online.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve succeeded!!! Do I get a gift card? Atleast invite me to a hot tub party! Like the ones you and your wife used to have with the OVW boys?</p>&mdash; “The Bad Boy” Joey Janela (@JANELABABY) <a href="https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1241429131998437377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Also add Tyler Bate and NWA's David Lagana to the list of notable wrestling people currently being accused. Pete Dunne might be the only one out of British Strong Style who isn't a creep considering the past underage rumors with Trent Seven.

[Vastardikai]

You would think this would have come out MUCH sooner, considering how, you know, Corny is certainly hated by a notable portion of the audience.

And then there's the whole bit that, for the longest time, OVW was a feeder for the WWE. So maybe there's something to it not coming out sooner, or maybe it's just bullshit.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol what the hell is happening!?!?!?!

[Bad News Gertner]

Memphis wrestling is getting pretty nervous right about now lol

[Emperor Smeat]

You would think this would have come out MUCH sooner, considering how, you know, Corny is certainly hated by a notable portion of the audience.

And then there's the whole bit that, for the longest time, OVW was a feeder for the WWE. So maybe there's something to it not coming out sooner, or maybe it's just bullshit.

Mix of people not finding the courage to speak up at the time and Cornette not being shy to threaten legal action whenever he feels his name is being damaged.

The shady stuff with WWE's developmental system isn't new considering they turned a blind eye to the bad stuff Bill Demott was doing back then until it became too public to ignore. Plus Vince back then pretty much didn't really care what was going on in developmental as long as it produced him a couple new stars for the main roster each year. Only reason Cornette got fired back then was due to Vince and co. finding out Cornette physically attacked a trainee and could have been on the hook for a potential lawsuit.

[Vastardikai]

Mix of people not finding the courage to speak up at the time and Cornette not being shy to threaten legal action whenever he feels his name is being damaged.

The shady stuff with WWE's developmental system isn't new considering they turned a blind eye to the bad stuff Bill Demott was doing back then until it became too public to ignore. Plus Vince back then pretty much didn't really care what was going on in developmental as long as it produced him a couple new stars for the main roster each year. Only reason Cornette got fired back then was due to Vince and co. finding out Cornette physically attacked a trainee and could have been on the hook for a potential lawsuit.

That is very plausible. At the same time, it's just something so specifically weird that you'd think that there would be certain folks who would have had no reason NOT to put on full blast (Santino hinted at some things to his face, as well). Between him, the little snide comments from Trash Canella, etc. You'd have thunk it would have been a huge thing to go with against such a relatively soft target.

[Evil Vito]

I think the combination of lockdown, Sierra Loxton not having to worry about losing bookings for it now that she's retired, and David Starr being a big enough name to really get the ball rolling, has been almost a perfect storm to make people finally feel comfortable to speak out.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah this being a "perfect storm" situation makes it a lot easier for people to feel comfortable going public and set in motion a tidal wave of accusations to roll in without someone being the sole focus of backlash. Without that storm, someone might be more hesitant out of fear in going public against someone who is more well known.

Same happened with the #MeToo movement where it took that first person or two to get the ball rolling for others to get the courage to stand up as well. Even the recent protests over the death of George Floyd quickly snowballed into a bigger movement over police brutality and racism.

[slik]

Is Kip Sabian still safe

Praying Kip is not really 'super bad'

[slik]

No bad stories about Finn either, whew

[Triple A]

Vaguely heard something about Jim Cornette having wrestlers have sex with his wife... don't feel like reading any details but I think it's fine if Cornette and his wife want her to be pounded by wrestlers if the wrestlers were in2 it !

[slik]

Horny Corny is my new nickname for James E's wife


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/kycyesH6pO">pic.twitter.com/kycyesH6pO</a></p>&mdash; AKI Evolution (@AKI_Evolution) <a href="https://twitter.com/AKI_Evolution/status/1273766407512240132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And a fucking fantastic full roster of women, I should add.</p>&mdash; Alex Pawlowski (@AlexSourGraps) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexSourGraps/status/1273740323387248642?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'm now very interested to see if Cornette has anything to say about this on his podcast.

[slik]

Isn't there a story about the time Stacy Cornette got her vagina pierced and told OVW Brock Lesnar to be careful when picking her up for a gorilla slam and Brock thought it would be funny so he squeezed her vagina really hard when she was up in the air and she started crying because of intense vaginal pain from Brock's big squeeze??

I wonder if Jim Cornette ever asked Brock to fuck his wife while he watched.

[slik]

OVW Batista pounding Stacy Cornette while James E jerks off in a chair cutting a promo


https://i.postimg.cc/ZRn72qqF/download.jpg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

LMFAO @Slik

Anyways, if this ball keeps rolling I'm gonna throw out 2 names that'll get dragged through the mud:

Jim Ross. I dunno why but I just have the feeling. We've all heard him be a little creepy with the ladies on his podcast.

And Ric Flair but it's on-brand and I feel like everybody knows. But since it's a #MeToo thing, it'll be brought to light.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I wonder if Noid is going to go to great lengths defending his hero, Mr. Cornette. If so, I look forward to the mental gymnastics.

[Emperor Smeat]

Based on Ross' Twitter activity, he's gotten a lot more hornier ever since his wife died so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he did something inappropriate in recent times.

Like following him on Twitter for any length of time and your bound to get him casually posting his thirst over someone or flat out posting NSFW-like tweets and links.

Ryan Satin had a similar problem as well where he'd be tweeting or retweeting stuff to porn stars and not realizing everyone else could see it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol JR promoted Sunny's porn business in a retweet w/comment.

[slik]

Jim Ross is hornier than a government toad

[Vastardikai]

Another one: Vince McMahon.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vince has already been outed years ago but it didn't go anywhere probably because of McDevitt. Wonder if it will resurface.

[slik]

Yeah I think the last Vince one was around mid 2000s and involved a suntanning place

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's almost pointless outing Vince because his reputation is already so bad and he'd just lawyer it away. Unless it was like Cosby, which is unlikely.

[Emperor Smeat]

Not sure if WWE should be happy or not that Carmella is randomly trending due to the dirt people found out about her although its way more tamer than the stuff going around elsewhere in wresting.

Carmella revealed in a recent Corey Graves podcast show that she enjoys getting golden showers.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

hey there's nothing wrong with that. Re: Carmella's Kink

Other than that it's gross, but hey we all have our things.

[slik]

yeah, I don't care what Carmella's fetishes are.

I am not a fan of bodily fluids but I don't care if anyone else is. We all have our own fetishes.

[Emperor Smeat]

I just find it more funny than anything offensive or shameful considering everything that has gone down today and WWE probably praying nobody else associated with them trends on Twitter these next few days.

[Triple A]

Yeah going to become very bad if people start trying to ruin ppl's careers for things like that (re: Carmella)... Also nothing wrong with Jim Ross being a lil horny!!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I hope that Lesnar story is true because it's fucking hilarious lol.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I hope that Lesnar story is true because it's fucking hilarious lol.

Jim has told it

[Evil Vito]

Nothing wrong with Carmella's golden shower kink. I mean I don't get it but to each their own but if she's into it good for her.

As long as your kink doesn't involve kids, animals, or corpses...I don't give a fuck. To each their own.

[Emperor Smeat]

Carmella's story isn't even the most WTF thing I read about from wrestling this week that didn't involve someone being a scumbag or abusive person.

Zack Ryder had a recent story involving one of his very rare action figures that was a lot more WTF overall. Both in regards to why it was even made and what likely happened to it after he sold it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hawngp/cardona_ryder_this_company_from_the_80s_called/

[Seanny One Ball]

Now I have Jim Cornette watching fat Stacy getting ploughed from behind by The Mongolian Stomper waiting for the cum shot so he can shout "That's the biggest pop of the night!" stick in my head forever.

Pretty sure this was done to Bobby Eaton and that's why he was missing and confused for so long.

[Seanny One Ball]

Well Dunn probably got their name from spit roasting her

[Seanny One Ball]

And don't try telling me The Bullet didn't get up in there headfirst.
He's named after a dildo.

[slik]

Caught up (I think) on most of it now and damn

[slik]

Twitter Journalist Brandon Stroud added to the list too, like David Starr he was super 'pro-women' online but turns out that was a big act.

[LibSuperstar]

Caught up (I think) on most of it now and damn

Damn indeed!

[erickman]

Current rumor going around the net is WWE is holding an emergency meeting over their NXT UK brand due to the growing number of accusations there.

Seems on the US side, Jake Hager and a writer from website Uproxx have popped up among those being accused. Also the longtime underage rumors involving Marty Scurll and Joey Ryan have resurfaced again.

yeah i see wwe selling nxt uk. is the hagar thing new or old?

[Evil Vito]

Matt Riddle now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m posting this because I have been so sad for so long. I didn’t realize that what he did to me was not ok. I realize now, reading these other brave women’s stories, that I can’t be afraid anymore and I have to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/speakout?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#speakout</a></p>&mdash; Candy Cartwright (@CandyCartwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/CandyCartwright/status/1273896403941691392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Helpful hint: I have been told that when you're faking screenshots of something that &quot;happened&quot; years ago, you shouldn't use the person's profile picture that's only been up a week and a half. It's the little things, but that's for attorneys to discuss.</p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1273943286399541253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Remember, Fan, Noid believes all victims. Cornette is guilty until proven innocent, as we learned when Enzo got dinged.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. That Enzo argument kinda puts him between a rock and a hard place here.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah. That Enzo argument kinda puts him between a rock and a hard place here.

Oh, I'm going to assume we'll get a lot of wriggling with why this situation is different with Jim. Whereas if it was Kenny Omega and the claim seemed outlandish, it would be a sure thing that he was a rapist.

I could be wrong. We'll see.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As much as I like Cornette, I wouldn't be surprised if this shit was true. Think about the industry as a whole, and how this stuff seemed commonplace -- especially in Cornette's era.

First, you have Moolah. All the old-school guys like Corny and Bruce still won't acknowledge what she did, even though they're definitely well aware. You have commentators with the inside jokes in the 80s about "Terry Garvin's school of self defense." The Mel Phillips stuff and the Pat Patterson rumors. Grizzly Smith was a sexual predator, and people still talk about him glowingly unless they're Jake Roberts.

At the end of the day, if the casting couch stuff happened in Hollywood, how could it NOT be a thing in wrestling -- which has always proved seedier.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don’t know shit about this new-fangled technology but if you’re friends with someone on some kind of social media that’s linked to your phone contacts, does their picture in your contacts change if their profile picture changes? If so, the screenshots could have been taken recently and had her new picture. Though I can’t imagine those texts would still be just hanging out on his phone from the OVW days.

Also, who the fuck is this guy?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean I understand the skepticism, but you do have to wonder what these people would have to gain. Like, do you really think someone would really lie in wait for wrestling #MeToo to strike with their fake texts? I guess it's possible, but damn that's some patience combined with a thirst for revenge over not getting booked the way you wanted

Again, I like Jim, so I hope it's untrue.

[XL]

Yeah, that’s wildly inaccurate from Cornette. Your phone doesn’t save the image from when the message was posted, in the same that if you now go back to posts I made 10 years ago on here it’d still show you my current name/avatar/post count/etc.

I’d suggest that those messages weren’t sent via text. They were sent through Facebook messenger, so it’s more than plausible that he went back through those conversations and took screen shots yesterday which would show the new profile pic.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also, I feel there's definitely going to be some women lying or embellishing during all this, trying to leverage the situation. After all, this is the wrestling business and carnies gotta carny.

[XL]

Yeah, they were messenger messages. Apparently she deleted her Facebook, maybe hoping that would delete the messages, maybe to avoid hassle from the public. There’s a few more OVW people basically corroborating the events too.

[XL]

Also, I feel there's definitely going to be some women lying or embellishing during all this, trying to leverage the situation. After all, this is the wrestling business and carnies gotta carny.

Does the industry change people in it, or just attract “wrong ‘uns”?

[#1-norm-fan]

Am I missing some details in those screenshots or do they just make Stacy seem like a piece of shit and have nothing to do with Cornette anyway?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Does the industry change people in it, or just attract “wrong ‘uns”?

At the end of the day, it's the entertainment business. I think it both attracts and churns out damaged people. I'd say at the top of the food chain is proper Hollywood movies and tv which is seedy enough. From there, you have wrestling and porn which I think are more similar than more wrestling fans would like to admit.

[Savio]

Matt Riddle is also being accused of sexual assault (On twitter)


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">incredibly uncomfortable in that setting ) When I said no, he grabbed me by my throat, choked me and said “what if I just made you?” I ended up giving him oral sex (praying someone wouldn’t wake up) to get out of having intercourse with him. It was incredibly humiliating.</p>&mdash; Candy Cartwright (@CandyCartwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/CandyCartwright/status/1273897703777406976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Owenbrown touched my bumhole without permission

#speakout

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Surely only a matter of time before all the American guys start getting outed too.

Wouldn’t be surprised if at least 20 people currently in WWE get released for being a nonce/abusive

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Is Jerry Lawler still alive/not in prison? He’s gotta be number 1 nonce

[Corporate CockSnogger]

CM Punk comes across a bit rapey.

[Sepholio]

Jim Cucknette

[James Steele]

...Jerry Lawler is fucked.

[Triple A]

I merged the posts about this but now Vito's post is the thread starter cause it was the first one... I think he can change the title if he wants

[Outsider]

According to the BBC, police now investigating claims: https://twitter.com/jsavagetweets/status/1274019999238230018?s=21

[Evil Vito]

Lists so far:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SOList?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SOList</a> Part 2.<br>Correction to the previous tweet, should have said &quot;visually-impaired&quot; I had a brain fart, sorry!<br>Already seeing some things I need to add/correct so I will continue updating throughout the day.<br><br>Let's burn this shit down, then build a better community together. <a href="https://t.co/JlqrvAynH4">pic.twitter.com/JlqrvAynH4</a></p>&mdash; McDrea Kneels for #BlackLivesMatter �� (@McDreaBean) <a href="https://twitter.com/McDreaBean/status/1274028856295460864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A lot of frustration I see was about people saying names but not knowing the &quot;accusation.&quot; My list attempts to solve this issue but in no way is meant to treat one accusation lighter than another. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SOList?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SOList</a><br><br>NOTE: If you are sight-impaired please DM me and I'll send it in text! <a href="https://t.co/vIAQrigqsr">pic.twitter.com/vIAQrigqsr</a></p>&mdash; McDrea Kneels for #BlackLivesMatter �� (@McDreaBean) <a href="https://twitter.com/McDreaBean/status/1274027502747488256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Black Widow]

Not sure if WWE should be happy or not that Carmella is randomly trending due to the dirt people found out about her although its way more tamer than the stuff going around elsewhere in wresting.

Carmella revealed in a recent Corey Graves podcast show that she enjoys getting golden showers. I heard the apparent clip that is being talked about dumbasses are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[xrodmuc316]

I don't like to often go against the victims, but the Riddle acquisition is a different situation.

This girl was cheating willingly with a married man, posted some edited/cropped screenshots, and according to her, Riddle assaulted her while he was driving a van with 3 other wrestlers who were asleep. So while this assault is going on not a single one of them woke up?

No, she gave him a consensual blowjob because she didn't want to have sex with other people in the car, her words.

Also, she continued the relationship for up to a year after that??

I am sorry, even if it happened like she said, they continued to have a consensual relationship by all accounts well past that day. Just because dude ended the affair doesn't mean previous consensual acts are suddenly sexual assualt.

It's the same thing Chris Hardwick's ex tried, and AMC cleared him fairly quickly. Even if the act is degrading, if you are a willing participant you can't change your mind years after the fact.

I'm all for holding people accountable, but something being ok enough enough to do at the time, again her words, she choose to do one sexual act instead of another, should not be able to change after the fact cause dude wouldn't leave his wife for her.

[XL]

Did you skip past the bit where she claims he grabbed her by the throat?

[XL]

Can someone get Austin added to the list.

[Savio]

Austin only beat women, so unless he honked a titty while doing it, it is off topic!

[XL]

Isn’t Devlin on the list for “just” domestic violence?

[xrodmuc316]

Did you skip past the bit where she claims he grabbed her by the throat?

No, again maybe that was a part of their relationship. Why is it only an issue way after the fact. I know people don't come forward until later a lot of the time, but this was a man she continued seeing. It's just a much harder sell, they were in a relationship, then it was an issue only after it ended.

[Savio]

Isn’t Devlin on the list for “just” domestic violence?
Is there a full list I've only seen bits and pieces around... wonder if there is a wiki on this yet.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling has always evaded this sort of scrutiny. Probably a combination of it being filled with workers and going under the radar. Most of the names popping up don’t surprise me. Heartbroken if the Cornette stuff is true, but he’s apparently already on the phone to Stephen P. New, haha. I haven’t gone down the fill rabbit-hole, but the corroborating story comes from a guy with one or no legs who claims he was approached, turned them down, then headlined OVW shows. Is there someone else? Because it sounds like this guy wasn’t pressured into doing anything. His main beef seems to be that Cornette trashed legless wrestlers, but I actually seem to recall him putting over a guy named “Michael Hayes” who worked without legs because he was able to do so believable. Even sexual allegations misquote Cornette.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Joey Ryan was named somewhere, and can we talk for a moment about how getting paid employees to touch your dick publicly is very obviously shitty?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Wrestling has always evaded this sort of scrutiny. Probably a combination of it being filled with workers and going under the radar. Most of the names popping up don’t surprise me. Heartbroken if the Cornette stuff is true, but he’s apparently already on the phone to Stephen P. New, haha. I haven’t gone down the fill rabbit-hole, but the corroborating story comes from a guy with one or no legs who claims he was approached, turned them down, then headlined OVW shows. Is there someone else? Because it sounds like this guy wasn’t pressured into doing anything. His main beef seems to be that Cornette trashed legless wrestlers, but I actually seem to recall him putting over a guy named “Michael Hayes” who worked without legs because he was able to do so believable. Even sexual allegations misquote Cornette.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Noid proving to be a shitty man.

[XL]

No, again maybe that was a part of their relationship. Why is it only an issue way after the fact. I know people don't come forward until later a lot of the time, but this was a man she continued seeing. It's just a much harder sell, they were in a relationship, then it was an issue only after it ended.

There’s definitely “murky water” around some of these circumstances, and the “power dynamic” in relationships can lead to some questions being asked, as it is in a lot of these cases. Being in a relationship doesn’t mean you can just do wtf you like, some people end up in violent/abusive relationships for years before they conjure the courage to leave, or kill their partner, or often end up dead themselves before they get there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s definitely “murky water” around some of these circumstances, and the “power dynamic” in relationships can lead to some questions being asked, as it is in a lot of these cases. Being in a relationship doesn’t mean you can just do wtf you like, some people end up in violent/abusive relationships for years before they conjure the courage to leave, or kill their partner, or often end up dead themselves before they get there.

Definitely very true. There are power dynamics in all sorts of relationships. There’s obviously domestic abuse and control, that sort of thing, but there are external power dynamics too. If you are an employer, you shouldn’t be having sex with employees. It’s just way too dicey. Fame also comes with power.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Personally, I believe the wrestlers I like are being falsely accused and deserve to have their accusations face heavy scrutiny.

However, the wrestlers I don’t like absolutely did it and should be banned for life.

Thank you.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And I join Slik in praying Kip and Finn make it through this unscathed.

Fandango too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Investigate them all. But even if Joey Ryan turns out to be innocent, he should still be blackballed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fandango is pure, concentrated sex, so I’m not sure if he can even be put on trial for human crimes.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Helpful hint: I have been told that when you're faking screenshots of something that &quot;happened&quot; years ago, you shouldn't use the person's profile picture that's only been up a week and a half. It's the little things, but that's for attorneys to discuss.</p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1273943286399541253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even if a message is years old, it would show the person's current profile pic if you view it today

[XL]

We already covered that Trips. C’mon man!

[Evil Vito]

UK police supposedly investigating all claims and now telling anybody who hasn’t shared stories to go right to the police so as to not risk jeopardizing the case.

Because as we all know, pigs take domestic violence/sexual assault accusations so seriously.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think it’s so much about the profile pic being new as the screenshot being old. The message says “today.” The earlier ones say 2017 though. They’ve obviously gone back through their messages as opposed to the screenshot being old.

[Mr. Nerfect]

UK police supposedly investigating all claims and now telling anybody who hasn’t shared stories to go right to the police so as to not risk jeopardizing the case.

Because as we all know, pigs take domestic violence accusations so seriously.

I don’t think the police are going to be ready for that workload.

[XL]

I don’t think it’s so much about the profile pic being new as the screenshot being old. The message says “today.” The earlier ones say 2017 though. They’ve obviously gone back through their messages as opposed to the screenshot being old.

Yep. Shame JC didn’t know that before his “gotcha” tweet.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even if a message is years old, it would show the person's current profile pic if you view it today

Interesting that Cornette’s response seems to imply that it is fake though. Like, he obviously thinks that either it’s not true or there isn’t enough evidence of a genuine conversation. I guess if there was something to it, what else would you say (if you were going to say something)? But it’s weird he thought this would be a “gotcha!” moment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yep. Shame JC didn’t know that before his “gotcha” tweet.

Oh yeah. People just go on about the profile pic though. I think it was more that the dialogue was recent in some contexts, so it’s possible that the idea of this being an “old screenshot” would have been what set off that.

But Cornette isn’t a big internet guy outside his business and Twitter, so it’s possible Stacey just said “Look, that’s my new photo” and Jim didn’t understand how Facebook works, haha.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’ll be devastating if more OVW stories come out. Lots of talk about lots of people knowing something, but so far the only people I can find talking are the guy with no legs (who basically says it didn’t affect his career) and The Bolins who...well...

If there’s anything to this, it’s going to be a tense few days for the Cornettes, because those stories are going to start coming out.

[Savio]

Wrestling has always evaded this sort of scrutiny. Probably a combination of it being filled with workers and going under the radar. Most of the names popping up don’t surprise me. Heartbroken if the Cornette stuff is true, but he’s apparently already on the phone to Stephen P. New, haha. I haven’t gone down the fill rabbit-hole, but the corroborating story comes from a guy with one or no legs who claims he was approached, turned them down, then headlined OVW shows. Is there someone else? Because it sounds like this guy wasn’t pressured into doing anything. His main beef seems to be that Cornette trashed legless wrestlers, but I actually seem to recall him putting over a guy named “Michael Hayes” who worked without legs because he was able to do so believable. Even sexual allegations misquote Cornette.


Hard to comment on these things. Statistically false claims are rare. People often don't go to police because they're not always helpful and because this shit does mess with your compass. The fact her life seems like a mess makes her more susceptible to this sort of shit, yet people are going to talk about her credibility. Just a gross mess.

[Triple A]

We already covered that Trips. C’mon man!

oh just saw sry!

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Press Release <a href="https://t.co/bMHXgnAMrd">https://t.co/bMHXgnAMrd</a></p>&mdash; matthew riddle (@SuperKingofBros) <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros/status/1274089116481839108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I didn't even want to address the hurtful allegation made against me, but for the sake of my followers and friends on this platform that may for whatever reason be unsure, I'm going to address this once. <br><br>1/3</p>&mdash; Jordan Devlin (@Jordan_Devlin1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jordan_Devlin1/status/1274087954651234311?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is all I will say on the matter, and I am now working with a legal team to help decide how to proceed from here. <br><br>Jordan Devlin <br><br>3/3</p>&mdash; Jordan Devlin (@Jordan_Devlin1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jordan_Devlin1/status/1274088240681811975?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Blah, blah, blah, I’m shit.

First of all, you are a completely worthless cunt. This has already been established.

Second of all, what’s even the point there? What about those posts is even contradictory?

Thirdly, you seem obsessed with me. Don’t make me need a hashtag for you, creep. #TworuDave

[Triple A]

Statement from WWE to media:

Individuals are responsible for their own personal actions. WWE has zero tolerance for matters involving domestic violence, child abuse and sexual assault. Upon arrest for such misconduct, a WWE talent will be immediately suspended. Upon conviction for such misconduct, a WWE talent will be immediately terminated.

WWE’s ability to fine, suspend or terminate a WWE talent will not be, however, limited or compromised in any manner in the event incontrovertible evidence of such illegal misconduct is presented to WWE.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Press Release <a href="https://t.co/bMHXgnAMrd">https://t.co/bMHXgnAMrd</a></p>&mdash; matthew riddle (@SuperKingofBros) <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros/status/1274089116481839108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did this lawyer really print an official statement meant to be shared worldwide by a famous celebrity on a sheet of label paper?

Good god man.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pursuant to allegations made by pro wrestler Liz Savage on her Twitter account, 6/18/2020, NWA VP David Lagana has resigned his position, effective immediately. As well all production of NWA content is temporarily halted, pending a restructuring of executive management positions.</p>&mdash; NWA (@nwa) <a href="https://twitter.com/nwa/status/1274078353469984768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

Add Jack Gallagher's name to the growing pile of accused.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s time I said something. This kind of behaviour isn’t acceptable <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/bIiwjywiqZ">pic.twitter.com/bIiwjywiqZ</a></p>&mdash; Becky (@JayneBkyboo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayneBkyboo/status/1273894427975716865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The joke tweet earlier about NXT UK being down to just 4 guys after this is all done might end up being true with the way things are going since Gallagher worked there a few times.

Also can probably remove Tyler Bate from the list since his accusations mostly boil down to him trying to hook up with a random girl at a bar who already had a boyfriend. He tried to push his luck by asking for sex, got told off, and that was pretty much the end of that story.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

First of all, you are a completely worthless cunt. This has already been established.

Second of all, what’s even the point there? What about those posts is even contradictory?

Thirdly, you seem obsessed with me. Don’t make me need a hashtag for you, creep. #TworuDave

:love::love::love::love::love::love:

Thanks Savio you made my day.

[Bad News Gertner]

Personally, I believe the wrestlers I like are being falsely accused and deserve to have their accusations face heavy scrutiny.

However, the wrestlers I don’t like absolutely did it and should be banned for life.

Thank you.


I believe it should be based on workrate.

It's like the whole Arn Anderson v Sid stabbing incident. Let's be honest, people side with Arn because he's a better wrestler, even though both were equally at fault.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What is it about the UK? Was this Brexit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Interesting statement from WWE. More of a “this is what we’re going to do and when we’re going to do it” response than their usual ones.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems for non-wrestlers, some in Impact's management have been accused of being abusers and Justin Roberts being outed for being a creep online.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who in Impact Wrestling?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I believe it should be based on workrate.

It's like the whole Arn Anderson v Sid stabbing incident. Let's be honest, people side with Arn because he's a better wrestler, even though both were equally at fault.

I mean there’s more than a few people who give Benoit a pass because of his work rate so really at this point what wouldn’t people excuse

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Matt Riddle's agent and attorney posted a press release basically denying everything.

However it was also printed on sticky label paper (hey, we've all printed from the wrong tray before), so it's been deleted.

[Triple A]

Did this lawyer really print an official statement meant to be shared worldwide by a famous celebrity on a sheet of label paper?

Good god man.

lol, reprinted but his printer is still fucked and leaking ink/toner

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding our client Matt riddle <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuperKingofBros</a> <a href="https://t.co/0N3mBhAEO5">pic.twitter.com/0N3mBhAEO5</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Rose (@danlaw74) <a href="https://twitter.com/danlaw74/status/1274096726434086912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Riddle's Attorney is def Saul Goodman.

[Emperor Smeat]

Who in Impact Wrestling?

No one in particular but more of a general condemnation towards Impact for hiding abusers who were in management.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The issue here is that the ones responsible for holding such a meeting at Impact are abusers themselves. <br><br>Why do you think I left?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/IrRXN5AgVH">https://t.co/IrRXN5AgVH</a></p>&mdash; Kris Levin (@RefKrisLevin) <a href="https://twitter.com/RefKrisLevin/status/1273972162030960640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A cautionary tale to shed light on why so many have difficulty <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> against sexual harassment and other abuses. <a href="https://t.co/fLvennxB8B">pic.twitter.com/fLvennxB8B</a></p>&mdash; Kris Levin (@RefKrisLevin) <a href="https://twitter.com/RefKrisLevin/status/1274087984913145859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol, reprinted but his printer is still fucked and leaking ink/toner

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding our client Matt riddle <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuperKingofBros</a> <a href="https://t.co/0N3mBhAEO5">pic.twitter.com/0N3mBhAEO5</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Rose (@danlaw74) <a href="https://twitter.com/danlaw74/status/1274096726434086912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jesus Christ has this guy never heard of a PDF. Just type the letter and upload it. You don’t need to print it first. And he didn’t even scan the letter. He clearly took a picture of it.

How much is Riddle paying this guy an hour.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No one in particular but more of a general condemnation towards Impact for hiding abusers who were in management.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The issue here is that the ones responsible for holding such a meeting at Impact are abusers themselves. <br><br>Why do you think I left?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/IrRXN5AgVH">https://t.co/IrRXN5AgVH</a></p>&mdash; Kris Levin (@RefKrisLevin) <a href="https://twitter.com/RefKrisLevin/status/1273972162030960640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A cautionary tale to shed light on why so many have difficulty <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> against sexual harassment and other abuses. <a href="https://t.co/fLvennxB8B">pic.twitter.com/fLvennxB8B</a></p>&mdash; Kris Levin (@RefKrisLevin) <a href="https://twitter.com/RefKrisLevin/status/1274087984913145859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

TNA’s always been a bit of a safe haven for whoever WWE wouldn’t touch for PR reasons. Moose, Bram and Rich Swann come to mind for that.

[Evil Vito]

WWE’s legal team got the ExposeWrestling Twitter account pulled down because Vince McMahon is one of the biggest sexual abusers in the business.

[erickman]

what did moose do

[Savio]

First of all, you are a completely worthless cunt. This has already been established.

Second of all, what’s even the point there? What about those posts is even contradictory?

Thirdly, you seem obsessed with me. Don’t make me need a hashtag for you, creep. #TworuDave

Tell Cornette you said that, maybe he will <s>force</s>let you fuck his wife.

[Danny Electric]

I am guessing that one of the reasons a lot of this is coming out at this moment is a lead in from the recent accusations made against male tattoo artists in the UK, a guy I know had a few accusations against him and has been arrested. This led to further accusations and media interest.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE’s legal team got the ExposeWrestling Twitter account pulled down because Vince McMahon is one of the biggest sexual abusers in the business.

Apparently it wasn't even actually associated or working with the #SpeakingOut movement based on those who are actually involved with the movement.

Also whoever was running the account suddenly started spreading fake lists around earlier. Either was hacked or done on purpose.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've always been surprised that Vince McMahon has managed to keep his head above water as much as he has.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tell Cornette you said that, maybe he will <s>force</s>let you fuck his wife.

Not my thing to have consensual sex with other men's wives. I'd prefer to fuck yours as you cry about it.

God, how many times do I have to take a shit in your open mouth before you stop trying to shame others for their kinks?

[Triple A]

AEW statement on Jimmy Havoc after an ex gf accused him of verbal and emotional abuse and a fan said that Havoc punched him at a bar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We wish Jimmy Havoc all the best as he receives treatment and counseling in an effort to overcome the mental health and substance abuse challenges in his life. <a href="https://t.co/mh0hudsPuW">pic.twitter.com/mh0hudsPuW</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1274114435867697157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This story isn’t in any order. A lot of my memory of this abuse is disordered because i was battling drink and substance abuse to cope. That DOES NOT make it invalid.<br>I’m <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/speakingout?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#speakingout</a> because I dont want anyone else to be hurt. And I don’t think i’m alone.<br>TW: relationship abuse <a href="https://t.co/JTRmKGCDoT">pic.twitter.com/JTRmKGCDoT</a></p>&mdash; REBECCA CROW (she/her/they) (@katsandcrows) <a href="https://twitter.com/katsandcrows/status/1273741835362582532?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve had a few issues with Jimmy Havoc over the years, this was the first one back in 2014, after their Thunderbastard show, I regret not going to the police and I’m still annoyed by Progress’s response <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/dGGAIESOOx">pic.twitter.com/dGGAIESOOx</a></p>&mdash; David Lloyd (@DLSmiler) <a href="https://twitter.com/DLSmiler/status/1273906219053441025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Casey from Squared Circle Sirens, the stuff about Matt Riddle trying to file a restraining order might not be true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it’s worth I heard of Candy and Riddle for a while. I didn’t know abuse happened but it’s widely known they had a thing so I don’t for a second believe Riddle was trying to get a restraining order. ��</p>&mdash; ���������� �������������� (@ifyouseekcasey) <a href="https://twitter.com/ifyouseekcasey/status/1274102499956404224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Also another person has come forward alleging that Riddle was also manipulative towards her and cheating with her on the side.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has come to terms on the release of Jack Gallagher (Jack Claffey). <a href="https://t.co/3e6V82HiRY">https://t.co/3e6V82HiRY</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1274123347308285955?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Savio]

Not my thing to have consensual sex with other men's wives. I'd prefer to fuck yours as you cry about it.

God, how many times do I have to take a shit in your open mouth before you stop trying to shame others for their kinks?


Noid thinks forcing people in to sex is an acceptable kink? How far are you going to backtrack?

[Savio]

Stop trying to shame others for their kinks!

[Seanny One Ball]

One thing that will always bother me with the #MeToo stuff is this constant public outing of names by accusers before any charges have been filed.

Go and file charges before you log on to social media and start manipulating the public.

If the police somehow turn you away, fine, tell anyone that will listen.

The real Weinstein "effect" is that legally slander is now totally fine as long as it paints an abuser/victim scenario.

[Bad News Gertner]

This day of reckoning has been long overdue.

This is the same business that continued to employ Buck Zumhofe after being released from prison in 1989 for getting caught having sex with a minor in an abandoned barn. And that includes the WWF who he was doing jobs for into the mid 90s.

[xrodmuc316]

Riddle just beat Styles clean on Smackdown.

Can't wait until Styles comes out 2 years later and says he didn't actually agree to that and Riddle made him lose :rofl:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

According to Casey from Squared Circle Sirens, the stuff about Matt Riddle trying to file a restraining order might not be true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it’s worth I heard of Candy and Riddle for a while. I didn’t know abuse happened but it’s widely known they had a thing so I don’t for a second believe Riddle was trying to get a restraining order. ��</p>&mdash; ���������� �������������� (@ifyouseekcasey) <a href="https://twitter.com/ifyouseekcasey/status/1274102499956404224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Also another person has come forward alleging that Riddle was also manipulative towards her and cheating with her on the side.


Also AEW gave Jimmy Havoc indefinite time off from the company. AEW stated it was so he could deal with other issues on the side but also admitted to using the time to make an official decision on his future in the company. Wouldn't be surprised if the same happens to the other three who have been accused so far.

I don’t understand this logic. This guy seems like he’s saying because they were in a relationship that makes it less likely that Riddle would get a restraining order against her. The overwhelming majority of restraining orders are between former romantic partners.

This is the problem with people trying to flesh these accusations out on social media. Nobody knows what they’re talking about but they are always so confident they’re right.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid thinks forcing people in to sex is an acceptable kink? How far are you going to backtrack?

No, you fucking muppet. I know you're deliberately trying to twist positions and exploit people's real misery to make a bigger cunt of yourself than you always make, but could it just be possible that you're just that fucking stupid?

Cornette using his power to force people to have sex = rape.

Cornette and Stacey liking to swing = kink.

You fucking mutant. You're supposed to eat shit, not spray it all over the place. Twat.

[Seanny One Ball]

This day of reckoning has been long overdue.

This is the same business that continued to employ Buck Zumhofe after being released from prison in 1989 for getting caught having sex with a minor in an abandoned barn. And that includes the WWF who he was doing jobs for into the mid 90s.



If it's as endemic as we all have heard then surely a better use of time would be for the accusers to make their individual complaints known to the law in a concerted effort to build a sound case.

Just making the accusation public one day is highly dubious, legally questionable and immensely prejudicial. I'd imagine cases can be won and lost on that sort of outburst.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid thinks forcing people in to sex is an acceptable kink? How far are you going to backtrack?

I don’t understand this logic. This guy seems like he’s saying because they were in a relationship that makes it less likely that Riddle would get a restraining order against her. The overwhelming majority of restraining orders are between former romantic partners.

This is the problem with people trying to flesh these accusations out on social media. Nobody knows what they’re talking about but they are always so confident they’re right.

Yeah, the more I see from people the more I lose faith in the legal system, honestly. It's got to be fucking difficult to find a reasonable jury.

[Innovator]

I don’t understand this logic. This guy seems like he’s saying because they were in a relationship that makes it less likely that Riddle would get a restraining order against her. The overwhelming majority of restraining orders are between former romantic partners.

This is the problem with people trying to flesh these accusations out on social media. Nobody knows what they’re talking about but they are always so confident they’re right.

Mainly all the TROs files through us are ex partners

[Seanny One Ball]

It winds me up because half of this shit will be true but people just want to have their moment in the face of all sound advice.

[Bad News Gertner]

If it's as endemic as we all have heard then surely a better use of time would be for the accusers to make their individual complaints known to the law in a concerted effort to build a sound case.

Just making the accusation public one day is highly dubious, legally questionable and immensely prejudicial. I'd imagine cases can be won and lost on that sort of outburst.

I'm not too sure how the statute of limitations work in cases like these

[Savio]

No, you fucking muppet. I know you're deliberately trying to twist positions and exploit people's real misery to make a bigger cunt of yourself than you always make, but could it just be possible that you're just that fucking stupid?

Cornette using his power to force people to have sex = rape.

Cornette and Stacey liking to swing = kink.

You fucking mutant. You're supposed to eat shit, not spray it all over the place. Twat.Ad hominems aside what you're saying is that we shouldn't #BelieveAllVictims?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, the more I see from people the more I lose faith in the legal system, honestly. It's got to be fucking difficult to find a reasonable jury.

Juries are generally ok. They get thoroughly vetted under oath by both sides and the judge before they’re chosen and can be kicked off for almost any reason. Then they get read instructions about how to deliberate that are crafted by the judge and the lawyers for both sides. It’s not a perfect system but it usually works pretty well.

I am much more concerned about bad actors and reactionaries who shape public opinion. Those people are dangerous.

[Savio]

This day of reckoning has been long overdue.

This is the same business that continued to employ Buck Zumhofe after being released from prison in 1989 for getting caught having sex with a minor in an abandoned barn. And that includes the WWF who he was doing jobs for into the mid 90s.
HHHs first match was against him :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

If it's as endemic as we all have heard then surely a better use of time would be for the accusers to make their individual complaints known to the law in a concerted effort to build a sound case.

Just making the accusation public one day is highly dubious, legally questionable and immensely prejudicial. I'd imagine cases can be won and lost on that sort of outburst.

Eh, I get what you're saying, but legal avenues can be difficult. Especially if you're a woman or a minority. White dudes don't like hearing it, because everybody likes to think they're hard done by, but it's the truth.

I agree that when legal options have expired, by all means go public and whatever if you truly believe what happened to and all that, but it's a fucking terrible situation that needs to be rectified over time with precedent, better systems and what have you.

More and more you start seeing "trends" with these sorts of things. Like, uploading the "notes" of your accusations as an aesthetic choice. Even AEW released their official press statement on a note. Wtf? It's like it's a stylised choice when discussing this sort of thing. There are lots of sociological curiosities that surround these issues. Including people who like to stand outside it and act smarmy (like a lot of people on these boards), or people that inherently take victims seriously (which I do). It could be dangerous when it becomes trendy to catalogue perceived sexual improprieties online, and that should be something researched, and it's something that will change over time.

[Bad News Gertner]

HHHs first match was against him :lol:

Lol sure was

[Emperor Smeat]

I don’t understand this logic. This guy seems like he’s saying because they were in a relationship that makes it less likely that Riddle would get a restraining order against her. The overwhelming majority of restraining orders are between former romantic partners.

This is the problem with people trying to flesh these accusations out on social media. Nobody knows what they’re talking about but they are always so confident they’re right.

Seems he's implying their relationship was a lot more cordial on Riddle's side than what Riddle's lawyer is claiming.

Plus he probably would have heard about issues with a restraining order earlier since he's very well connected to the women's indies and NXT scene, so if he feels something is off, it probably is. Also revealed he was in a similar past dating situation as Riddle's accuser claims.

[xrodmuc316]

There’s definitely “murky water” around some of these circumstances, and the “power dynamic” in relationships can lead to some questions being asked, as it is in a lot of these cases. Being in a relationship doesn’t mean you can just do wtf you like, some people end up in violent/abusive relationships for years before they conjure the courage to leave, or kill their partner, or often end up dead themselves before they get there.

100% agree with that. That said, there has to be a point where certain situations can't fit into the automatically guilty assumption.

Riddle can be a total prick, but if they had a relationship where they liked.getting rough with each other, and it only became a problem after the fact, it's just not the same as all the rest of the assaults.

Ending a relationship badly does not change previously consented acts into assaults. Of all the acquisitions, 1 stands out, and it's the only one I don't think is legit.

She said she chose to blow him because she didn't want to have sex. That is not the same as what the other victims had to go through. They were in a relationship both before and after that. I am not condoning what Riddle did, but being a prick, a bad husband, a cheater, and a bad boyfriend, but that doesn't mean it was an assault.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm not too sure how the statute of limitations work in cases like these



That doesn't really matter as long as charges were filed or a complaint was made and recorded at some point.
Going public straight off the bat is the issue here.

You take your chances of you don't make the appropriate choice at the time.

[Seanny One Ball]

"I told everyone and they did nothing to help me"

Or

"They told me to go to the police, I didn't but now I regret it"

[xrodmuc316]

Did this lawyer really print an official statement meant to be shared worldwide by a famous celebrity on a sheet of label paper?

Good god man.

Chances are he had official papers, but Riddle used them to roll and then smoke his reefer. :rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

It sounds harsh, but justice is a hard thing to find even with all the right avenues taken so bypassing the system and taking it to social media first seems to be an easier way for people to have their accusation taken seriously.

It's not a good idea though.

This is precisely why the press and jurors are kept apart legally.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ad hominems aside what you saying is that we shouldn't #BelieveAllVictims?

I'll use whatever ad hominem I want, you piece of shit. Stop being such a baby, you spiritless cunt.

Did I ever say "#BelieveAllVictims," or is that just how you represent me because it's easier to be a cunt? Do I need to do a throat clearing of "straw-men aside?" I don't think I ever attributed the quote "You know, she's probably lying" to anyone in that conversation, so how about you back off with misrepresenting me, just because it's all your dumb ass has?

What I've said, and completely stand by, is that victims should be taken seriously. And I've never said that any of these accusations should not be. All of them should be investigated for validity. And it's true that false allegations are statistically very rare. What is your fucking problem with that?

In the Enzo case it was a woman. Is that your issue? Or is it with me? Or do you honestly equate people pointing out that something like 90% of allegations had something to them with that being 100%? Are you sexist, obsessed with me or just fucking stupid? Either way you're trash.

Juries are generally ok. They get thoroughly vetted under oath by both sides and the judge before they’re chosen and can be kicked off for almost any reason. Then they get read instructions about how to deliberate that are crafted by the judge and the lawyers for both sides. It’s not a perfect system but it usually works pretty well.

I am much more concerned about bad actors and reactionaries who shape public opinion. Those people are dangerous.

Yeah, you're probably right there. I've let a few bad (and probably anomalous) stories sour me. And looking at fans like that one you pointed out is making me seriously question whether or not the public is something I'm a fan of. It makes it hard to put good faith in people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It sounds harsh, but justice is a hard thing to find even with all the right avenues taken so bypassing the system and taking it to social media first seems to be an easier way for people to have their accusation taken seriously.

It's not a good idea though.

This is precisely why the press and jurors are kept apart legally.

That is a very good point.

It becomes hard to weed out bias even if you've only heard something in passing and think you can separate yourself from that and the idea of "guilt" or even "innocence."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Seems he's implying their relationship was a lot more cordial on Riddle's side than what Riddle's lawyer is claiming.

Plus he probably would have heard about issues with a restraining order earlier since he's very well connected to the women's indies and NXT scene, so if he feels something is off, it probably is. Also revealed he was in a similar past dating situation as Riddle's accuser claims.

I mean maybe but relationships can go bad in an instant and people generally don’t make those issues public, especially if that would cause embarrassment to the parties involved.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jack Gallagher being released is a bit of a jar. Just because they seemed to act on that really fast.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People form allegiances too. Some NXT groupie is not necessarily going to be impartial, especially if he's got relationships with the people who talk to him versus the people who won't.

I'm NOT saying don't that that woman seriously, but if Riddle's side were true, then it's not like everybody is necessarily going to know. Especially if it is just coming out now. If he didn't do it, or things were more cordial than implied now, he's probably handling it the best way by getting a lawyer and doing things professionally.

It's just a shame that the system can fuck over the party with the truth on their side in some cases. If Riddle and Cornette (the two guys who seem to be taking legal action) did the things they've been accused of, then it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to lose (obviously). And it doesn't mean they are going to come out smelling of roses even if they didn't, either.

[Triple A]

Jack Gallagher being released is a bit of a jar. Just because they seemed to act on that really fast.

I think it's because he basically admitted it.

The woman made her Twitter private, but she posted screenshots of Gallagher messaging with the person whose house the party was at and Gallagher was talking about wanting to apologize to her and stuff and asked the guy to ask her if she feels OK with Gallagher messaging her (she said no), though Gallagher also said that that he didn't remember it happening

https://twitter.com/JayneBkyboo/status/1273894427975716865 (can't view the tweet now cause it's private)

[Emperor Smeat]

Velveteen Dream's name popped up and its similar to other allegations involving him in the past.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve been debating releasing this information for months now, but with everyone <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a>, I finally feel comfortable in doing it. Part of me is still terrified for disclosing this.<br><br>Patrick Clark is a groomer and a child predator. I’ll post more proof below this tweet. <a href="https://t.co/yhJKufwVpz">pic.twitter.com/yhJKufwVpz</a></p>&mdash; Josh Fuller �� BLM (@JoshFullerPW) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshFullerPW/status/1274147388672954371?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it's because he basically admitted it.

The woman made her Twitter private, but she posted screenshots of Gallagher messaging with the person whose house the party was at and Gallagher was talking about wanting to apologize to her and stuff and asked the guy to ask her if she feels OK with Gallagher messaging her (she said no), though Gallagher also said that that he didn't remember it happening

https://twitter.com/JayneBkyboo/status/1273894427975716865 (can't view the tweet now cause it's private)

Ah, didn't know that. I mean, it's pretty fucked up what he did, and sorry doesn't make it any better, but it's got to sting that you showing something resembling remorse is what fucks you over. If you had just doubled-down and been a cunt, you'd still be getting paid $500k a year.

Argh, this is all so gross.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Velveteen Dream's name popped up and its similar to other allegations involving him in the past.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve been debating releasing this information for months now, but with everyone <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpeakingOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpeakingOut</a>, I finally feel comfortable in doing it. Part of me is still terrified for disclosing this.<br><br>Patrick Clark is a groomer and a child predator. I’ll post more proof below this tweet. <a href="https://t.co/yhJKufwVpz">pic.twitter.com/yhJKufwVpz</a></p>&mdash; Josh Fuller �� BLM (@JoshFullerPW) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshFullerPW/status/1274147388672954371?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's troubling given what he's going through. Things like this should be easy enough to verify with technology, sent receipts and stuff.

[Savio]

Is that your issue? Or is it with me?I just find the contrast between your posts in the Enzo thread and this one. 4 people come out against Cornette but sure lets attack Braddock's credibility since he's angry about Cornette trashing legless wrestlers.



Noid, when recruiting someone for a job normal people don't put sex on the table.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dream's probably the most troubled talent NXT has considering just the drug rumors about him have been going on for years.

Most serious one was him allegedly being a drug supplier to the NXT and PC locker room around the same time WWE was having some serious drug issues in developmental.

[Seanny One Ball]

I wonder if Corny made Brian Last do his wife?

[Seanny One Ball]

Cornhole

[Seanny One Ball]

Who still remembers fucking my Stacy
Who booked the screwjob up to his balls?

[Seanny One Ball]

Wouldn't you know who won the pony?

[Seanny One Ball]

I bet that tennis racket stinks

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just find the contrast between your posts in the Enzo thread and this one. 4 people come out against Cornette but sure lets attack Braddock's credibility since he's angry about Cornette trashing legless wrestlers.



Noid, when recruiting someone for a job normal people don't put sex on the table.

Sure, what contrasts do you think there are? I mean, if you make up I said #BelieveAllVictims then, sure, but I didn't say that. People are idiosyncratic by nature, by the way. Get fucking used to inconsistencies in human behaviour, and you're a dolt if you think otherwise, but I'd love to hear what you think is contrasting, because you're pretty fucking stupid and it's probably really easy to shoot down.

Yeah, recruiting people and forcing them to have sex with you is horrible. Not being the one to recruit them, not having sex with them and them still getting a big push in the company you partly own? Not as indicting. I mean, that's not spin, that's what he actually said.

As I said, it'll be awful but just if more OVW stories come out that corroborate these allegations. You'd think it'd be bound to happen now that the floodgates have opened.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dream's probably the most troubled talent NXT has considering just the drug rumors about him have been going on for years.

Most serious one was him allegedly being a drug supplier to the NXT and PC locker room around the same time WWE was having some serious drug issues in developmental.

I never heard that.

Talent should not excuse anyone, but it's a damn shame, because there was really something there with the guy. Fucking waste.

[xrodmuc316]

Ah, didn't know that. I mean, it's pretty fucked up what he did, and sorry doesn't make it any better, but it's got to sting that you showing something resembling remorse is what fucks you over. If you had just doubled-down and been a cunt, you'd still be getting paid $500k a year.

Argh, this is all so gross.

Typical WWE. Didn't they JUST TODAY issue a statement that they would not terminate a contract unless the wrestler was convicted? Even only a suspension when arrested/charges filed, but not terminated.

Took them legit 3 hours to go against their own statement smh.

[DrA]

What I've said, and completely stand by, is that victims should be taken seriously. And I've never said that any of these accusations should not be. All of them should be investigated for validity. And it's true that false allegations are statistically very rare.

I agree with this in general but it’s also a different dynamic when you’re dealing with a celebrity/public figure with issues like this. There are a lot of people out there who will do anything for money or fame or to bring attention to themselves for all sorts of different reasons.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Typical WWE. Didn't they JUST TODAY issue a statement that they would not terminate a contract unless the wrestler was convicted? Even only a suspension when arrested/charges filed, but not terminated.

Took them legit 3 hours to go against their own statement smh.

Eh, I hear ya, but on the other hand, I think they did reserve the right to go harder on people in the same statement? And it's their prerogative as a company, I guess -- especially if there appears to be more substantial evidence to the allegation than the murky waters of he-said/she-said. It could also be a compounded issue of some sort. We don't really know.

But the timing of that was fucking harsh.

I agree with this in general but it’s also a different dynamic when you’re dealing with a celebrity/public figure with issues like this. There are a lot of people out there who will do anything for money or fame or to bring attention to themselves for all sorts of different reasons.

Mmm, yeah. I think that's reasonable, and I'm coming around to this line of thinking, but it's still a fucking hazard to go so public with something when you're going to get backlash for it. But if you believe any publicity is good publicity, and don't mind smashing yourself in the nuts with a hammer for attention, or think that anything "going viral" means it's good...

And as time goes on, people's confidence in making whatever claims is going to change, as are how people respond to them.

[Savio]

Sure, what contrasts do you think there are? I mean, if you make up I said #BelieveAllVictims then, sure, but I didn't say that. People are idiosyncratic by nature, by the way. Get fucking used to inconsistencies in human behaviour, and you're a dolt if you think otherwise, but I'd love to hear what you think is contrasting, because you're pretty fucking stupid and it's probably really easy to shoot down.

Yeah, recruiting people and forcing them to have sex with you is horrible. Not being the one to recruit them, not having sex with them and them still getting a big push in the company you partly own? Not as indicting. I mean, that's not spin, that's what he actually said.

As I said, it'll be awful but just if more OVW stories come out that corroborate these allegations. You'd think it'd be bound to happen now that the floodgates have opened.1 person came out against Enzo and you were happy to jump on him. 4 people came out against Corny and even though "Statistically false claims are rare", lets wait until we get more corroborators.

Don't be shocked when people find your inconsistencies funny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1 person came out against Enzo and you were happy to jump on him. 4 people came out against Corny and even though "Statistically false claims are rare", lets wait until we get more corroborators.



Don't be shocked when people find your inconsistencies funny.

Statistically false claims are rare. I'm not reversing my stance on that at all. Is there new evidence to the contrary? And as I said, it would be heartbreaking to me if these turned out to be true, like most allegations do. That doesn't mean I want them to be.

Which 4 people? Are you talking about the allusions by Janela and Marella? Because neither accused him themselves.

And what did I say about Braddock's tweet that wasn't anything he didn't say? He didn't accuse Cornette of making him have sex with his wife or anything. Really, this Phil Earley guy didn't even do that. It's like the OVW rumors have gotten swirled up with what these people apparently trying to take him down are actually saying.

That's why I'm saying I'm dreading any future stories -- because they might actually be like "Cornette made me have sex with Synn for a job." Which would be fucking awful. But none of these dudes is either saying that or was really ever in the position for that to be a realistic scenario.

I'm more upset because of the smoke to the potential fire right now. I'm not undermining anyone's credibility and haven't even once alluded that Braddock's story isn't true, outside the point about Cornette trashing him as a professional because I heard what Cornette said about him. Not that I'm not starting to doubt that wrestling fans and wrestlers can be completely fucked, and if they can do these things in many circumstances, they can probably lie about them too. The whole thing has me honestly really bummed out.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, that’s wildly inaccurate from Cornette. Your phone doesn’t save the image from when the message was posted, in the same that if you now go back to posts I made 10 years ago on here it’d still show you my current name/avatar/post count/etc.

I’d suggest that those messages weren’t sent via text. They were sent through Facebook messenger, so it’s more than plausible that he went back through those conversations and took screen shots yesterday which would show the new profile pic.

Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?

[Bad News Gertner]

2008

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?

Facebook has always messaging. That's nothing new. It just had a separate app launched in 08 but you could message people before that. I have messages in my messenger app from when I first started Facebook before the app existed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?

Nah, and the messages were dated March 2017, from memory. I don't think Cornette had anything to do with OVW at the time. I'm trying to think of when he sold back to Danny Davis. He's talked about it. I think he's maybe done some seminars and had a brief stint in 2013 as a few weeks on-air?

It's still possible he used his influence in the business and Stacey said he knows people in OVW and all that. None of that seemed to be included in the messages (so far).

You'd think if Cornette is suing, they'd come up in some sort of discovery process at some point.

[Savio]

Statistically false claims are rare. I'm not reversing my stance on that at all. Is there new evidence to the contrary? And as I said, it would be heartbreaking to me if these turned out to be true, like most allegations do. That doesn't mean I want them to be.

Which 4 people? Are you talking about the allusions by Janela and Marella? Because neither accused him themselves.

And what did I say about Braddock's tweet that wasn't anything he didn't say? He didn't accuse Cornette of making him have sex with his wife or anything. Really, this Phil Earley guy didn't even do that. It's like the OVW rumors have gotten swirled up with what these people apparently trying to take him down are actually saying.

That's why I'm saying I'm dreading any future stories -- because they might actually be like "Cornette made me have sex with Synn for a job." Which would be fucking awful. But none of these dudes is either saying that or was really ever in the position for that to be a realistic scenario.

I'm more upset because of the smoke to the potential fire right now. I'm not undermining anyone's credibility and haven't even once alluded that Braddock's story isn't true, outside the point about Cornette trashing him as a professional because I heard what Cornette said about him. Not that I'm not starting to doubt that wrestling fans and wrestlers can be completely fucked, and if they can do these things in many circumstances, they can probably lie about them too. The whole thing has me honestly really bummed out.
Chris Bolin and Iain M.K.W. Moore

Phil did say that, in tweet 7 and Braddock said it was mentioned when they were recruiting them

[Emperor Smeat]

Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?

I completely forgot he even had a second stint with OVW after WWE dropped them as a developmental brand for NXT.

His second run was from 2010 to 2011 and left when they aligned with Impact as a developmental system.

[slik]

I don't know if wrestling is going to survive 2020.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It was a good run

[Nark Order]

I heard a rumor that Paige forced a man to ejaculate on her Diva's Championship Title belt.

[Evil Vito]

All of the accused come out sounding worse in their apologies. It’s like they’re all worried about coming away with whatever “points” they can by making a public apology to the people they’ve hurt instead of making a sincere apology to them directly and in private.

[XL]

Think they’re fucked every which way if you go by Jack Gallagher’s experience. Seems he tried to apologise privately and that landed him in it more.

I guess they need to make a public apology as the accusation is also in the public domain. And 100% trying to minimise the “brand damage”.

[slik]

Tozawa involved in animal abuse?


https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/b74ohx/dragons_gate_animal_abuse/

[Bad News Gertner]

I heard HHH forcibly had sex with a co-workers ex girlfriend. She also happened to be dead.

Where's the media on that one!?!?!?

[xrodmuc316]

What about that time a gang of wrestlers kidnapped a victim and choppy choppied his peepee?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Val Venis is not a fan of changing sexes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are serious allegations, then there are people saying “I heard Akira Tozawa spewed cum in a monkey’s face.” I’m not saying he didn’t, but can we please get some actual accusations going?

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Jim Cornette forced you to fuck his wife, come out. If you’re a monkey that got jizzed on, please make sure you get paid by TNA.

[Stickman]

Do any of these allegations surprise anybody? This is a completely fucked up industry with a history of shady characters. For anyone to act outraged should give their head a shake, I'm sure there's way way way more sexual abuse allegations out there in pro wrestling that will never see the light of day.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Vince McMahon exposed himself at a tanning salon in front of me. It’s a good thing Taz was there to save the day.

[Seanny One Ball]

He got the second Z for pumping out so much jizz that day

[Seanny One Ball]

Did you say save or shave

[Savio]

Vince McMahon exposed himself at a tanning salon in front of me. It’s a good thing Taz was there to save the day.

Please don't make fun of instances of sexual assault.

[Seanny One Ball]

Was the Vince one a gay salon or a classic?

[Seanny One Ball]

I bet John Travolta and Vince McMahon bump into each other at gay massage parlours all the time.

[Frank Drebin]

That's where Vince buys all those snow cones he loves.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tozawa involved in animal abuse?


https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/b74ohx/dragons_gate_animal_abuse/

That's been going around about him for a long time and something that keeps popping up every so often online.

When Shingo Takagi got hired by NJPW, think that rumor involving the Dragon Gate pet monkey resurfaced for a bit.

[Emperor Smeat]

Add Marq Quen to the list of accused with his stuff involving dick pics being sent to an unwilling person. Same for Trent Seven's name popping up again in regards to past allegations with underage girls.

Also allegations against Piper Niven and Session Moth in regards to bullying incidents with other female wrestlers.

Also current rumor going around the net is WWE quietly got the Velveteen Dream accusations removed from Reddit via legal threats. Supposedly they were also active in trying to get the alleged audio of Dream from a different accusation removed online.

https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/hcf6d3/squaredcircle_moderator_claims_that_reddit_admins/fveqzys/


Also more people from within NXT UK have been collaborating the accusations against Ligero so probably safe to pencil him in as the next guy WWE is firing. Same for Travis Banks in terms of firings since more accusations have popped up.

[Jordan]

From his portrayal in WWE recently as head Ninja you can see how dojo boy Tozawa easily could've tossed that Monkey.

[xrodmuc316]

If sexual abuse on animals is part of this, that puts one Tony Khan right in the line of fire too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFbVgpNXUAECu2x.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol is that real

[Seanny One Ball]

Road Dogg or JYD?

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh you didn't know?

[Emperor Smeat]

Lol is that real

The flag? No.

Him getting into online spats with Fulham fans hating his family's management of the team is true though.

[James Steele]

Soccer fans can be real wankers.

[Seanny One Ball]

Well they are a second tier team...

[James Steele]

...bloody wankers.

[slik]

This one really bums me out...

I've chatted wrestling w/ Mark on Twitter before and we realized we had lived in Sherman Oaks at the same time, right down the street from each other and had no idea and neither of us had any wrestling friends 'irl' at the time.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are inappropriate exchanges between Mark Haggerty and a 15 year old child. The kid and their parents have consented to this being shared, but will remain anonymous. The kid has said they TOLD mark they were 15, and mentioned being a freshman in high school more than once.1/2 <a href="https://t.co/cC4P88ujC4">pic.twitter.com/cC4P88ujC4</a></p>&mdash; Sully Banger (@SULLYBANGER) <a href="https://twitter.com/SULLYBANGER/status/1274523739485614080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLW has released Mark Adam Haggerty.</p>&mdash; Major League Wrestling (@MLW) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLW/status/1274540288279752705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Honestly, outside of the 4 companies owned by billionaires this might kill off wrestling in the U.S.

[Evil Vito]

Joey Ryan put out a statement that Ryan Nemeth and Joey Janela pretty much immediately called bullshit on.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This dude is a lying sack of fucking shit, I used to be friends with Joey but the allegations him now and about to come out about him without an doubt are 100% true... <a href="https://t.co/5E9181Z7Ay">https://t.co/5E9181Z7Ay</a></p>&mdash; “The Bad Boy” Joey Janela (@JANELABABY) <a href="https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1274546628079357954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you’ve been assaulting women for your entire wrestling “career” ...you can’t blame it on a dick flip or relationship issues. You’re a fucking loser, a liar, and a monster. You deserve to be exposed and ended.</p>&mdash; Ryan Nemeth (@HotYoungBriley) <a href="https://twitter.com/HotYoungBriley/status/1274545764925009920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Seanny One Ball]

So best case scenario these fellas knew they were working with a sex pest and decided to ignore it until someone else brought it up.

Pathetic.

If you can tweet it now you should have reported it at the time.

[Seanny One Ball]

Honestly, outside of the 4 companies owned by billionaires this might kill off wrestling in the U.S.


Well wrestling was pretty much dead already, this is just salting the ground around it so it doesn't rise from the grave.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So best case scenario these fellas knew they were working with a sex pest and decided to ignore it until someone else brought it up.

Pathetic.

If you can tweet it now you should have reported it at the time.

well there's the sense that they're responding to him lying about it.

[Nark Order]

I've met Joey Ryan several times. Never got a good vibe from him. That obviously means dogshit and doesn't prove anything, I just wanted to be included.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've met Joey Ryan several times. Never got a good vibe from him. That obviously means dogshit and doesn't prove anything, I just wanted to be included.

At the end of the day, these cases suck. Really hard to prove stuff... well other than when they send dick pics or lude messages, which is beyond fucking dumb.

But when it becomes he-said-she-said, if you just start bringing the hammer down, that brings us one step closer to Emmit Till. It's the nasty side of the law and humanity, and it's shit.

It's easy to tell women "YOU SHOULD HAVE REPORTED IT RIGHT AWAY" but fuck, I could only imagine how hard that is.

Doesn't make it right to convict anyone without due process, though.

[Nark Order]

He also kind of put himself in a situation where it's really difficult to deny sexual harassment. His gimmick is primarily centered around making people touch his dick.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That and he looks greasy AF

[xrodmuc316]

Well they are a second tier team...

Which is still a tier or two higher than their NFL team.

[xrodmuc316]

I've met Joey Ryan several times. Never got a good vibe from him. That obviously means dogshit and doesn't prove anything, I just wanted to be included.

"DID SOMEBODY SAY DOG?? :drool::drool::drool:"

~ Tony Khan

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

well there's the sense that they're responding to him lying about it.


So as long as he's an honest perv it's ok.

Cool ..

[Seanny One Ball]

Which is still a tier or two higher than their NFL team.


I didn't know they had tiers in the NFL

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So as long as he's an honest perv it's ok.

Cool ..

I mean there’s something to be said for white knighting in this circumstance. But there are extenuating factors in that maybe it’s in the best interest of both the victims and their supporters to keep quiet on a public platform for the sake of privacy and getting everything dealt with. I guess what I was trying to say was that seeing Ryan respond with such a contrived defence of himself might have been the trigger that set the likes of Janela off, especially since they’d been friends. At the end of the day, as far as we know, Janela ain’t that kind of dude. Hard to put the responsibility for Ryan’s alleged actions on Janela just because certain things came to light and it made him feel compelled to speak now. That’s a pretty lofty expectation you’re placing on the guy.

[Vastardikai]

Of all the people mentioned, I think Joey is the least surprising. It is like RVD weeding and speeding or Sandman getting a DUI. It is just their brand.

[Seanny One Ball]

I mean there’s something to be said for white knighting in this circumstance. But there are extenuating factors in that maybe it’s in the best interest of both the victims and their supporters to keep quiet on a public platform for the sake of privacy and getting everything dealt with. I guess what I was trying to say was that seeing Ryan respond with such a contrive defender of himself might have been the trigger that set the likes of Janela off, especially since they’d been friends. At the end of the day, as far as we know, Janela ain’t that kind of dude. Hard to put the responsibility for Ryan’s alleged actions on Janela just because certain things came to light and it made him feel compelled to speak now. That’s a pretty lofty expectation you’re placing on the guy.


I expect people to have integrity when it comes to stuff like this.
Anyone who wasn't involved yet takes to social media to get involved in this shit is doing it for more than justice. They are distancing themselves from a bad association or piling on for attention. If they say they knew all along, you have to wonder why nothing was said at the time.

If I spend enough time with them to know someone is an asshole I don't need to wait until they get accused of something to point it out.
Doing it publicly at the worst time shows weakness not strength.

It makes a mockery of the legal system too, endless trial by media.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, the accusations about Riddle isn't something new within WWE and instead they've had some prior knowledge about it for the past 2 years. Only reason the company never acted was either they didn't believe it or didn't care to do any real investigations.

Also seems something big or very serious involving Dream might be happening soon since Meltzer hinted at needing to wait in order to go into more details surrounding his allegations.

[Seanny One Ball]

If I was a female wrestler I wouldn't feel safe working with anyone now.
Even the good guys turn a blind eye.

[Seanny One Ball]

Remember in "Birdman" when Ed Norton tries to method act a sex scene with Naomi Watts and she's not having it at all?

Joey Ryan's whole career is that scene apparently.

[xrodmuc316]

I didn't know they had tiers in the NFL

Oh for sure, you have the consistent too level franchises who always compete and have a great fanbase, think Patriots, Seahawks, Steelers, Packers, Chiefs, Ravens.

Then you have teams who are competitive more often than not, and again have great fanbases, think Cowboys, Broncos, Texans, Saints, Vikings.

Then you have teams with great fanbases but are almost always dysfunctional and not very good, think Browns, Raiders, Lions, Jets.

The bottom of the bottom tier are poorly run, make the worst possible decisions, and even when they luck into good players, they ruin it completely, and they only make any money because of the NFL's shares revenue which is mostly off the massive NFL TV deals. That's the Jaguars and Bengals.

[xrodmuc316]

If I was a female wrestler I wouldn't feel safe working with anyone now.
Even the good guys turn a blind eye.

Didn't Rowan see Big Cass getting a little rough with Carmella and dropped him on the spot?

[Emperor Smeat]

Joey Ryan got quietly released from Impact Wrestling according to PWI. Official announcement might be made soon.

While Impact Wrestling has not addressed the status of Ryan, the impression PWInsider.com has received from sources in the promotion is that Ryan, who had been leading the #CancelCulture group will not be returning. There has been no official announcement from the company on the status of Ryan as of this writing.

[Black Widow]

Joey Ryan got quietly released from Impact Wrestling according to PWI. Official announcement might be made soon.
When the lamest company don't even want you Ha!

He shouldn't have been in any company in the 1st place even before all this always hated him just from the 2 clips i saw.

[Seanny One Ball]

Didn't Rowan see Big Cass getting a little rough with Carmella and dropped him on the spot?

Rowan who?

Boats?

[xrodmuc316]

Rowan who?

Boats?

Erick Redbeard!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I fucking hate Joey Janela. I just want to get that out there. It’s really got nothing to do with the allegations.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I fucking hate Joey Janela. I just want to get that out there. It’s really got nothing to do with the allegations.

That's because you're a #CornetteSheep

[slik]

This last week made me fall out of love with pro-wrestling a bit.