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IC Champion
09-06-2022, 03:41 PM
Mike Johnson is his guy, apparently.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 03:42 PM
Another victim, apparently during the brawl Moxley walked by and started bleeding from his head, despite never going into the room.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 03:43 PM
This CM Punk thing for the past few weeks has to be a work, right? There's no way this much horse shit goes down week after week with this guy and he's not legit fired yet.

It's a really good work if it is. They have me fooled

A good work would make money off people. This falls apart the moment you put it in front of the camera. It’s entirely the wrong sort of interest to generate. If it’s a work then it’s Eric Bischoff “working the boys” stupid.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 03:45 PM
Another victim, apparently during the brawl Moxley walked by and started bleeding from his head, despite never going into the room.

Police showed up and were mortified to see the state of one of the participants’ shoulders. They had to be told Fenix wasn’t involved in the altercation and had dislocated it stirring his coffee.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 03:47 PM
Mike Johnson is his guy, apparently.

Ah, he would be a good shout. Brian Last has started up something too. They’re probably going to get something closer to the CM Punk side of the story. The issues between Punk and Omega/The Bucks seems to be that they manipulate the sheets into saying what they want. I wouldn’t take a “Can’t believe how awful CM Punk is” story from those same sources.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 03:50 PM
https://i.redd.it/x0v7ukew58m91.png

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 03:51 PM
Imagine choosing the young bucks over CM Punk lol. Punk is a pain in the ass but he’s not a goofy nerd interested in playing wrestler with their friends

I hate them all but no way I take Punk. He is the root of this entire problem. He went all shoot on them, then he starts a fight and apparently in the process injures himself again. All the shit he says and the stunts he pulls are the same shit people eat up when he whines about others doing it. He is beyond a pain in the ass. Keeping him around at this point has to be absolutely terrible for the locker room. No one will ever have any respect around there for management or their coworkers with that kind of bullshit being allowed to go down like it did.

And while you say the bucks are just goofy nerds playing wrestler with their friends, at least they are putting in effort. Either Punk legit does not have it anymore, which is a distinct possibility given his age and how long he sat out, or he is phoning it in 98% of the time. His work since returning has easily been the sloppiest of his entire career. He has no stamina and is nearly guaranteed multiple noticeable botches in every match. He's been back over a year, he should have been gotten some of his stamina back and worked off the rust but he still looks terrible. So either he just can't anymore or he isn't trying. At this point I'd take the Bucks/Kenny over Punk 999 times out of 1000. The only thing Punk has is that he generates interest when he goes into business for himself and drops "pipebombs", but even that wears thin when he inevitably just cuts the same promo every week for the next 6 months.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 03:54 PM
It’d be funny if it ended up with Punk and Omega leaving while AEW got stuck with The Bucks.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 03:56 PM
Punk is kind of a living embodiment of Ravens gimmick catchphrase back in the day: WHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT ABOUT CM PUNK!?

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 03:58 PM
It’d be funny if it ended up with Punk and Omega leaving while AEW got stuck with The Bucks.

It would be, but I still think it would be funnier if Kenny and The Bucks all end up in WWE so Hunter can complete his collection of AEW EVPs. Meanwhile AEW gets stuck with Punk and a disgruntled locker room.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 03:59 PM
I hate them all but no way I take Punk. He is the root of this entire problem. He went all shoot on them, then he starts a fight and apparently in the process injures himself again. All the shit he says and the stunts he pulls are the same shit people eat up when he whines about others doing it. He is beyond a pain in the ass. Keeping him around at this point has to be absolutely terrible for the locker room. No one will ever have any respect around there for management or their coworkers with that kind of bullshit being allowed to go down like it did.

And while you say the bucks are just goofy nerds playing wrestler with their friends, at least they are putting in effort. Either Punk legit does not have it anymore, which is a distinct possibility given his age and how long he sat out, or he is phoning it in 98% of the time. His work since returning has easily been the sloppiest of his entire career. He has no stamina and is nearly guaranteed multiple noticeable botches in every match. He's been back over a year, he should have been gotten some of his stamina back and worked off the rust but he still looks terrible. So either he just can't anymore or he isn't trying. At this point I'd take the Bucks/Kenny over Punk 999 times out of 1000. The only thing Punk has is that he generates interest when he goes into business for himself and drops "pipebombs", but even that wears thin when he inevitably just cuts the same promo every week for the next 6 months.

I dunno man, it’s not unreasonable to see CM Punk as someone standing up to toxic management. These rumors have circulated The Bucks for the longest time, and it’s a fair criticism of AEW that its EVPs have gotten in the way of AEW’s greater success so that they can have their vanity project. The lockerroom is probably way more split than it is on one side. And did he shoot on them, or did they storm into his lockerroom looking for a fight?


Wait to see how this plays out and what more comes out about the altercation. The first wave is going to be the “Punk is an asshole stories.” The Bucks have their fingers in Dave Meltzer pretty deep.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 04:01 PM
It would be, but I still think it would be funnier if Kenny and The Bucks all end up in WWE so Hunter can complete his collection of AEW EVPs. Meanwhile AEW gets stuck with Punk and a disgruntled locker room.

Omega’s deal was coming up in January. I don’t know if he’s signed a new one or if the injury has put more time onto it, but I was half-way expecting him to leave with the video game being a disaster and him being threatened by Punk coming in.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 04:03 PM
If you’re Tony Khan and you do take a side, it’ll be interesting to see how that affects viewership and fandom (if at all). Omega and The Bucks are key identity players, regardless of what you think of their talent. They put the “Elite” in the name of the promotion. But now that fans have gotten used to seeing guys like Punk there, losing a name like that can hurt more than you’d think.

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 04:03 PM
I love how insane fans are going over a possible real life feud. Where have we come? Is the problem that this isn’t drug/alcohol fueled like it was in the glory days? If so… I might actually agree. Do more fucking drugs and alcohol.

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 04:06 PM
If you’re Tony Khan and you do take a side, it’ll be interesting to see how that affects viewership and fandom (if at all). Omega and The Bucks are key identity players, regardless of what you think of their talent. They put the “Elite” in the name of the promotion. But now that fans have gotten used to seeing guys like Punk there, losing a name like that can hurt more than you’d think.

Losing Punk would hurt business more than losing Omega and The Bucks. I think MOST people, regardless of personal preference would agree there.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-06-2022, 04:12 PM
I think punk’s matches have been mostly good when he sticks to basics and didn’t try to do shit he’s not enough for. His match with Kingston last year, this past Sunday with Moxley, the two with mjf have all been good imo

Damian Rey 2.0
09-06-2022, 04:16 PM
Losing Punk would hurt business more than losing Omega and The Bucks. I think MOST people, regardless of personal preference would agree there.

This why I’m baffled would willingly cut punk over the bucks

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 04:28 PM
It’s logically a side where all sides have to eat shit a little bit. Ace Steel’s ability to do his job is compromised. He was there as an agent in the good graces of Punk and because they got to steal him from the WWE. Even if he was defending his wife or whatever, it probably isn’t a place he wants to work anymore.

The Bucks and Omega should not be EVPs. There’s nothing to imply they can do the job, and their current track record is horrible. They’re using that weight to walk high and mighty. Can you disrupt the pecking order that much? You work out what happened — which EVP was the major instigator in going to that lockerroom and either threw the first punch or provoked it. They’re not EVP anymore. The other two are going to be placed under review if they don’t want to step down. More of this, that’s taken away from them.

Michael Nakazawa and Brandon Cutler are released. This isn’t a charity case anymore. It’s a business. Adam Page needs to offer a public apology for being such a fucking idiot. Fines are issued and maybe even some suspensions of bonuses.

Punk works with MJF, Omega & The Bucks…who cares?

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 04:29 PM
Errbody saying punk is gone on Twitter right now.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 04:33 PM
If Punk is gone, I can see that being his call. You’re left with a bunch of schemers, who aren’t as talented, haven’t done this at as high a level, and don’t exactly command respect. I don’t think that’s going to help the toxicity. I can see more people wanting out now than ever before.

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 04:43 PM
Worried about xrod’s wellbeing if he doesn’t have Phil in his life. It’s gonna trigger his boiling tatters something fierce.

Evil Vito
09-06-2022, 04:50 PM
MJF coming out Wednesday and claiming that Punk quit/got himself fired to avoid him will be glorious.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 05:03 PM
No, it won’t, lol. Reminding people that your top guy has left makes you look second rate whatever way you cut the cheese. This is not a good thing for AEW. It’s a shitshow.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 05:03 PM
Punk’s one of the few guys MJF probably wanted to work with. This is going to stir up so many unhappy feelings with the direction of this product.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 05:06 PM
Serious question, did anybody see 2022 going this great for Ryback?

First Vince, now Punk, it is freaking FEEDING TIME!

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 05:12 PM
The fuck is a Ryback?

Bad News Gertner
09-06-2022, 05:23 PM
So when is everyone apologizing to Noid and xrodmuc for being correct all along

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 05:28 PM
It’s more important to them that I’m wrong than they’re right.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 05:29 PM
I want to know how WBD feel about this.

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 05:30 PM
So when is everyone apologizing to Noid and xrodmuc for being correct all along

What was he correct about?

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 05:30 PM
They*

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 05:30 PM
Them*

Evil Vito
09-06-2022, 05:32 PM
Jeff Jarrett's gonna take over AEW. Heard it from very reputable sources.*





* source is a voice in the back of my head that only wants the chaos to escalate

slik
09-06-2022, 05:45 PM
Disco Inferno told Vince Russo on his podcast that if Punk ever talked about him like that during a media scrum Punk would be leaving the scrum on a stretcher. Disco said he would have come out while Punk was still talking and started swinging. Inferno said he would make Punk beg for mercy in front of everyone.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 05:49 PM
Rumor mill says WBD is not amused. Punk expected to be gone and the EVPs will lose those roles.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 05:49 PM
I believe that is what Disco Inferno’s mindset about what a wrestler should do is. I don’t believe he would have done it. Especially not in his spot.

slik
09-06-2022, 05:51 PM
Konnan later called in and said he thinks AEW should make it into an angle and that he would be happy to advise or be a part of the angle. He suggested they could bring himself, Konnan, in as the only guy who could control Punk. That Punk would be unstoppable and violent upon Konnan's orders.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 05:57 PM
Lol, ok, this must be satire.

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 05:58 PM
Just got done watching this. Basically just watched the entrances and the endings of a handful of the matches and skipped the middle because I didn’t care too much but here we go… not sure I’ll get the order right.

- mixed tag match - skipped entirely. Sammy is bad.
- Hook v one of 2.0 (1.0?) - skipped mostly, Hook is an ok meme but not actually very entertaining.
- Pac v Kip - really enjoyed this. I liked Kip when he was around, other than when he was teaming with that skinnyfat emo guy. He’s fun to watch and PAC is brilliant. A bit of a double turn in the match tol with PAC exiting through the heel tunnel. Really wish PAC didn’t have that stupid belt and would be put in the main event.
- Kingston vs Ishi - mostly skipped. We’ve had dozens of matches now with an old Jap coming in and have a slap fight with someone, it’s the same routine every time.

- Casino royal - was fun, and interesting finish given that it didn’t turn into all the teammates attacking each other and then it was a fairly abrupt ending, something a bit different for a multi man match anyway. Don’t really like this Stokely guy but I’m sure MJF can make it all work out.
- Trios match - great. Kenny is the best. Bucks always put on one of the best matches every time they’re on. Don’t care about more belts, wish they didn’t exist, but more Kenny is good.
- Jade vs Athena - skipped entirely, don’t care. Merge the womens titles and put it on Jade.
- Womens 4 way - skipped a fair bit but caught a lot of the end, wanted Shida to win, but the tension for Britt and Hayter was good.
- Tag title match - skipped the start where big fat Keith was just slowly walking round. The second half of the match was great though. Really like Swerve and The Acclaimed are great, should’ve put the belts on them.
- Jungle boy vs Christian - meh, did I read that Christian is injured? If so it’d a shame, biggest story going into the ppv ending on a dull note. Good to prolong it with Jungle
boy vs Luchasaurus for a bit though. Though they shouldn’t have messed around with Luchasaurus so much.
- Starks vs Hobbs - again a bit meh with it being so short but at the same time it’s good that it’s not too predictable. Predictability is what makes wrestling boring. Never used to like Starks but actually enjoying him as a face.
- Wardlow and Fte vs Jay Lethal and friends - skipped entirely. Jay Lethals faction is second only to Adam Cole and friends as the worst group in AEW.
- House of black vs Darby, sting and Miro - was fine, should’ve just been Miro vs Black 1v1. Pretty much everyone in this match is being misused. Black and Miro should be in the main event.
- Jericho vs Danielson - watched the start, got bored quite quickly, so skipped towards the end. Dunno, wasn’t feeling it. Daniel Garcia worst promo in the company. Long pause before his lines are due as if he’s trying to remember what to say. Mannerisms of. 10 year old kid.
Punk v Mox - good match, wrong outcome. Mox is the best, Punk is a whingebag.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-06-2022, 05:58 PM
Rumor mill says WBD is not amused. Punk expected to be gone and the EVPs will lose those roles.

Well at least there’s punishment for all parties.

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 05:59 PM
Woah. Long post. Not as long as the PPV though. On the whole I think might have been their worst PPV. Too many matches. Too long. Too many crammed in wrestlers. A few weeks ago it was looking to be quite a trimmed down card with just grudge matches and was seeming really interesting

Triple A
09-06-2022, 06:00 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Right now AEW talent have not been told anything official. Almost all I've spoken to believe CM Punk will have to go or make major amends to remain with the company.<br><br>A lot of the talent haven't arrived where Dynamite broadcasting from yet, but the heat on Punk is unreal.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1567268955231772673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haven't got any official word on that or suspensions. There are so many rampant &quot;done deal&quot; rumors about what is happening, that it's getting almost impossible to verify.<br><br>AEW isn't talking, Tony Khan, Punk Bucks, Omega, Ace Steel aren't.<br><br>A lot of conjecture and expectations</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1567269971050258438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 06:01 PM
Read a few bits on this backstage stuff in this thread just now. Don’t really care too much, but for the record I’m fully on team Kenny/Bucks over Team Punk. All three are far more entertaining than Punk ever is.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 06:02 PM
Lol, AEW fans are amazing. Their reactions to this are hilarious.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 06:04 PM
lolAEW

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 06:07 PM
Say what you want about the EVPs, but they were the ones who convinced some Billionaire's Mark kid to start another wrestling company. Without them Phil would still be trying to convince WWE bring him back.

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 06:09 PM
No clue what any of this stuff is to do with. What’s it got to do with Colt Cabana? He’s not been on AEW in months? What’s the issue with Hangman? He seems like a nice guy.

Someone plz explain

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 06:09 PM
Say what you want about the EVPs, but they were the ones who convinced some Billionaire's Mark kid to start another wrestling company. Without them Phil would still be trying to convince WWE bring him back.

Nah, he’d still be a struggling actor/failed fighter. Maybe a producer on WOW or something. He turned AEW down in the first instance thinking he could leverage back into the WWE because of their existence.

Jordan
09-06-2022, 06:11 PM
I just hate that Mox had to job to Punk at the PPV and now the AEW championship may have it's really solid lineage messed up!

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 06:14 PM
No clue what any of this stuff is to do with. What’s it got to do with Colt Cabana? He’s not been on AEW in months? What’s the issue with Hangman? He seems like a nice guy.

Someone plz explain

Punk doesn’t like Colt Cabana anymore. When Colt’s AEW contract didn’t get renewed because he doesn’t do anything there, the people backstage in AEW believed Punk had something to do with it (Punk denies this). Hangman Page brought it up in a cryptic promo prior to their Double or Nothing match to pop his boys in the back, which Punk didn’t appreciate being blind-sided with because it is unprofessional and stupid.

The camps in AEW are becoming more divided. There’s a CM Punk camp, which believes in watching Bret Hart tapes for inspiration and working your matches to make sense, then there’s the Elite camp which believes it should be a graceful dance and they do it better than anyone and psychology is out of touch. Punk’s side is annoyed because the Elite side limits your appeal and prevents them from drawing big, and The Elite are mad because it’s supposed to be their promotion and it threatens them that the basic principles of pro-wrestling hold up.

Jordan
09-06-2022, 06:15 PM
No clue what any of this stuff is to do with. What’s it got to do with Colt Cabana? He’s not been on AEW in months? What’s the issue with Hangman? He seems like a nice guy.

Someone plz explain

Colt Cabana sued Punk a long time ago and made like a half a million or more off him, it ruined their friendship. It was to do with the Cabana podcast where Punk dropped all the details on how WWE was bad.

Cabana is well liked among the EVP's and the whole ROH clique that the Elite run in so he was a natural fit for AEW. Cabana wasn't really used much since Punk was hired so some of Colt's friends probably had secret heat with Punk about it, I suppose Hangman being one of those friends.

The heat between Hangman and Punk came out during their feud when Hangman said something that upset Punk in a promo. Punk retaliated by shooting on Hangman during a promo well after the program was finished, and confused people.

It seems to please Colt's friends, Colt's job was moved to "ROH", and Tony saves face.

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 06:15 PM
It seemed Clash at the Castle might be the first WWE PPV thread to challenge AEW in interest but that idea has been CRUSHED.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 06:17 PM
Oh, and when Punk returned he fired off some shots on Page to bury him because he never apologized for spitting on their trust as professionals. This ruffled feathers, things went on — PPV press conference Punk fires off on them all.

slik
09-06-2022, 06:18 PM
No clue what any of this stuff is to do with. What’s it got to do with Colt Cabana? He’s not been on AEW in months? What’s the issue with Hangman? He seems like a nice guy.

Someone plz explain

Here ya go, just watch this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CM Punk on the media scrum SHOOTING on the AEW EVPs and Hangman Page for &quot;leaking out bullshit&quot; to the media that isn't true.<br><br>What the FUCK is going on. <a href="https://t.co/5pWu6YK30h">pic.twitter.com/5pWu6YK30h</a></p>&mdash; DRAIN is All Out Ω 🧹 (@DrainBamager) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrainBamager/status/1566644679311228930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 06:19 PM
What comment did Hangman make? Was it when he said he’s protecting AEW from Punk? Seemed like a good promo and a valid point given that CM Punk is a bit of a bellend.

slik
09-06-2022, 06:21 PM
The funny thing is @ Snogger is that no one asked Punk about Colt at all during the scrum, Punk brought it up and then went on a 20 min tirade about Colt, Hangman Page and the EVPs.

Then Punk and Ace Steel got in a 'real life brawl' with Ace Steel biting Kenny Omega and Punk punching a Young Buck (which apparently tore his pec or bicep) and then someone throwing a chair at a Young Buck

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 06:21 PM
Shame that this is all overshadowing MJF’s return which has already got the “blurred lines” between fake wrestling and reality, only for all this “reality” stuff to come out and probably get integrated into storylines and take the shine off MJF a bit

slik
09-06-2022, 06:21 PM
What comment did Hangman make? Was it when he said he’s protecting AEW from Punk? Seemed like a good promo and a valid point given that CM Punk is a bit of a bellend.

Yes, that was the comment. Punk took it personally and apparently has held in anger for months over it.

Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2022, 06:22 PM
What comment did Hangman make? Was it when he said he’s protecting AEW from Punk? Seemed like a good promo and a valid point given that CM Punk is a bit of a bellend.

That whole promo, whatever it was. Didn’t make much sense and seemed esoteric, passive aggressive and boring. Nothing on-air about Punk had been presented as selfish. Most of the stories coming out about him were positive. A lot of talent just seemingly went down that path on their own which, as Punk said, was “stepping on your own dick.”

BigCrippyZ
09-06-2022, 06:25 PM
Yes, that was the comment. Punk took it personally and apparently has held in anger for months over it.

I thought it was the line from Hangman about, "You [Punk] say you're for worker's rights but you haven't acted that way since you got here..."?

ron the dial
09-06-2022, 06:26 PM
I thought it was the line from Hangman about, "You [Punk] say you're for worker's rights but you haven't acted that way since you got here..."?

yeah that was it

Corporate CockSnogger
09-06-2022, 06:29 PM
Thanks.

All seems very silly and childish. If I were in charge I’d just tell them all to grow up and stop being sensitive little dickheads.

Given the choice though, Kenny, Hangman and Bucks are infinitely more entertaining than Punk and *looks up the name of the other guy* Ace Steel?

owenbunny
09-06-2022, 06:37 PM
Bad Bunny > Simp Punk, Old Bunc and KenMAGA

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 06:39 PM
Would be funny if it turned out someone from WWE with 3 H's in their name was the person actually feeding fake CM Punk stories to the sheets to piss him off.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 06:43 PM
EC3 probably over here salivating at the prospect of CYN Punk hitting the free agent market. That'll make up for Braun and Kross.

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 06:43 PM
Well that’s what I’m gonna choose to believe now.

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 06:44 PM
The cerebral assassin wasn’t just a moniker bestowed upon him for no reason after all.

ron the dial
09-06-2022, 06:45 PM
not that this necessarily matters, but no real reference to punk/the bucks/omega or either of the matches they were involved in during the "road to" video aew put up on youtube. i guess not really surprising, either.

rez
09-06-2022, 06:49 PM
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IC Champion
09-06-2022, 06:53 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Punk in Sports Illustrated last week: “my door is always open. It’s better than leaking stuff to Dave meltzer.” <br><br>Punk Sunday to all of the wrestling press: “aye, you know this broke boy shares an account with his momma? I can’t sue a mom. What have i really done? Dave?” <a href="https://t.co/azGHYeS7nc">pic.twitter.com/azGHYeS7nc</a></p>&mdash; Kazeem Famuyide ���� �� (@Kazeem) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kazeem/status/1567275393052205064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Supreme Olajuwon
09-06-2022, 07:03 PM
It would be PrettyCool if Punk gets released and then goes back to WWE just in time to be on the undercard for another Wrestlemania main evented by Dwayne.

Bad News Gertner
09-06-2022, 07:12 PM
What was he correct about?

What a unsuccessful clown show AEW is.

I should start an apology thread for everyone

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 07:19 PM
Page's comment was about as passive as possible, so much so that nobody even talked about it until months later when Punk retroactively decided to he was mad about it.

I think it is kind of weird for him to put his main rival on the backburner just to EVPBAD. Are we just supposed to forget FEDBAD while this is all going on???

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 07:37 PM
Punks camp is claiming the young bucks super kicked his door in.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 07:48 PM
I'm gonna take "Things that didn't happen" for $500, Alex.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-06-2022, 07:49 PM
If punk is let go, any chance he had at trying to successfully rehab his image will be flushed down the toilet and sadly he’ll be the one doing the flushing. It was easy to get behind him leaving WWE. I get being pissed at rumors being leaked and constantly hearing your name in unflattering rumors. And I understand taking the opportunity to address those rumors. It’s how he does it that’s the problem.

The Bucks and Kenny aren’t being very executive like either. Like, why would you storm a guy’s locker room? Set up a sit down like real execs would do and talk things out and come to some sort of mutual understanding. Instead of proving Punk’s point that they couldn’t manage a target.

Just shitty actions on all ends.

Evil Vito
09-06-2022, 07:50 PM
I don’t even really buy that they “stormed his locker room”. Punk’s such a hothead it wouldn’t shock me if they just came to talk to him and he instantly escalated.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 07:53 PM
I don’t even really buy that they “stormed his locker room”. Punk’s such a hothead it wouldn’t shock me if they just came to talk to him and he instantly escalated.

This. 100% this.

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 07:54 PM
Come on guys. Let’s give punk the benefit of the doubt until more information comes out. From where I stand it sounds like he was subject to a three on one attack after having his personal locker rooms security breached. No wonder the police are said to be involved.

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 07:56 PM
If punk is let go, any chance he had at trying to successfully rehab his image will be flushed down the toilet and sadly he’ll be the one doing the flushing. It was easy to get behind him leaving WWE. I get being pissed at rumors being leaked and constantly hearing your name in unflattering rumors. And I understand taking the opportunity to address those rumors. It’s how he does it that’s the problem.

The Bucks and Kenny aren’t being very executive like either. Like, why would you storm a guy’s locker room? Set up a sit down like real execs would do and talk things out and come to some sort of mutual understanding. Instead of proving Punk’s point that they couldn’t manage a target.

Just shitty actions on all ends.

He’ll be fine. There’s people who have done far worse than punk who have jobs.

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 08:07 PM
I don't watch current wrestling so I'm not defending it, but Cornette has gotten beyond ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't fucking watch. It's like the people who complain about Raw for years and years yet they still watch.

He's definitely giving his audience what they want by hate watching current wrestling. It's just become tiresome. The show is much better when he's talking old wrestling instead of bitching about Kenny Omega for the 1000th time, or being delusional about how much of a success AEW has become.

AEW’s success is all relative.

Can't argue with the financial success they've become as much as it's "not my cup of tea".

Sober Gertner fucking up stoned Gertner’s gimmick.

:D

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 08:10 PM
Cornette definitely needs to stop reviewing current wrestling though.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 08:11 PM
"GOTCHA!"

Mr. JL
09-06-2022, 08:16 PM
Punks camp is claiming the young bucks super kicked his door in.

That would be an amazing BTE video moment.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 08:28 PM
The sheets need to get it in gear. I need more unsubstantiated rumors to monger and speculate on!

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 08:29 PM
I bet Smeat knows the deets.

slik
09-06-2022, 08:29 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Respect the Young Bucks.</p>&mdash; player/coach (@CMPunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/684790911629410304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 08:30 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Respect the Young Bucks.</p>&mdash; player/coach (@CMPunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/684790911629410304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Further proof that there really is a tweet for every scenario.

slik
09-06-2022, 08:33 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/76cczgpD/Fc-Aql5n-X0-AEso-Ti.jpg

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 08:59 PM
I’m reading that it took an omega v trigger to bring the door down as it was only dazed after the double super kicks.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 09:36 PM
The sheets need to get it in gear. I need more unsubstantiated rumors to monger and speculate on!

They also BTE triggered Steele's wife. That was the true start of the brawl.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 09:39 PM
As they were leaving Kenny Omega was heard shouting "AND MINDY'S BAKERY SUCKS, TIM HORTONS FOR LIFE!"

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 09:58 PM
Anyone who’s first choice is Tom Hortons deserves to being eaten like timbit.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 10:10 PM
Meltzer rated the brawl 7 stars. Kenny keeps adding to his record.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 10:53 PM
Anyone who’s first choice is Tom Hortons deserves to being eaten like timbit.

Don't Canadians love Tim Hortons though? If it was AJ Styles he would have probably yelled out Waffle House instead :lol:

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 10:56 PM
No respectable Canadians.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 11:06 PM
Saw a Tim Hortons in Maine and was kinda stoked to try it.

Was not impressed.

xrodmuc316
09-06-2022, 11:08 PM
1WFVdGrPgmk

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 11:11 PM
You know it's kinda funny. After the PPV I was pretty much set on taking a break from AEW, at least for the most part.

Now Dynamite can't come fast enough. Heh.

Although it's probably not really a good thing that the backstage drama is far more compelling than the product.

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 11:12 PM
Also, let's say Punk gets fired.

Does he ever wrestle again?

Sepholio
09-06-2022, 11:18 PM
Also, and this comes from multiple sources but is still unsubstantiated until further confirmed, I had heard what had really happened that started all this stuff was that Colt smashed AJ. Kenny filmed it while The Bucks jerked off on Phils couch. Meltzer rated the smoosh 4.5 stars. Again take this with a grain of salt until confirmed.

BigCrippyZ
09-06-2022, 11:18 PM
The only smart thing to do here where everyone benefits is if all the talent involved swallows their pride and gets along well enough to turn this apparent alleged shit show of a shoot into a work.

IC Champion
09-06-2022, 11:28 PM
Also, and this comes from multiple sources but is still unsubstantiated until further confirmed, I had heard what had really happened that started all this stuff was that Colt smashed AJ. Kenny filmed it while The Bucks jerked off on Phils couch. Meltzer rated the smoosh 4.5 stars. Again take this with a grain of salt until confirmed.

“Allegedly”.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-06-2022, 11:33 PM
The only smart thing to do here where everyone benefits is if all the talent involved swallows their pride and gets along well enough to turn this apparent alleged shit show of a shoot into a work.

Punk and FTR v Bucks and Omega would be pretty fun to main event grand slam dynamite. MJF should win the title at the next ppv and draw the program out. I’d love for him to come out and say outright he’s cashing his chip in at full gear.

Bad News Gertner
09-06-2022, 11:35 PM
Sober Gertner fucking up stoned Gertner’s gimmick.

:D

All this proves is that I was wrong and Noid and xrodmuc were right.

Evil Vito
09-06-2022, 11:40 PM
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Lot of good post-All Out promos. My favorite bit is Jay Lethal having been powerbombed so many times that he tried to cut a promo about the match that had already come and gone and he had lost for his team.

#1-norm-fan
09-06-2022, 11:59 PM
Damn. XL Eddie Kingston guy who saved Hook on the pre-show even sounds like Eddie.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 12:25 AM
Damn. XL Eddie Kingston guy who saved Hook on the pre-show even sounds like Eddie.

lol Action Bronson?

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 01:30 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sDUJ0c-bnVM" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Lot of good post-All Out promos. My favorite bit is Jay Lethal having been powerbombed so many times that he tried to cut a promo about the match that had already come and gone and he had lost for his team.

They need to play that Garcia/Yuta video, or a shortened version of it, before their match Wednesday. Great work. Same with the Toni Storm video.

Fignuts
09-07-2022, 01:41 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Yes, I should be-GOOD LORD WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THERE?&quot; <a href="https://t.co/Nb1Grt5kRf">pic.twitter.com/Nb1Grt5kRf</a></p>&mdash; RETRO: OLD MEDIA ENTHUSIAST ���� ��️█⚧️ ��️█�� (@ThatRetro) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatRetro/status/1567234591949193221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sting Fan
09-07-2022, 03:34 AM
Jesus wept... I go away for a few days and come back to this. Punk coming off like a bit of a baby while Colt Cabana catching endless strays when I cant see how hes done anything.

MJF Getting Wardlowed has a certain irony to it.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 04:37 AM
No developments. Fucking boring. AEW sucks.

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 04:41 AM
The best way to start Dynamite at this point would be to have No Way Jose make a surprise debut where all he does is lead a conga line of Burning Man rejects around the ring for 8-10 minutes.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 08:22 AM
So I've been listening to Last and Cornette, and apparently Omega cut a promo on the locker room like 10 days ago or some such where he basically told everyone they're shit and he's the best and he wouldn't have hired 8 out of 10 of them.

Then you hear the EVPs stormed into Punk's lockerroom instead of planning a meeting like executives to deal with it, leading to the fight.

Says all you need to know about the EVPs.'

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 08:40 AM
I'd read in a few places that the roster interpreted Kenny's speech as either tough love or heavy handed depending on who you asked. But that specific 8 out of 10 quote hasn't been cited anywhere other than Cornette/Last so consider the source there.

Does seem like a weird time to do a tough love/"light a fire" speech though when the rest of the meeting was said to be cited around team building.

Enjoy watching the EVPs work but they're performers, not executives. The "jobs for the boys" approach made more sense at the beginning but their job titles are meaningless at this point from all I've heard. Cody was the only one who took his EVP title seriously.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 08:43 AM
I'd read in a few places that the roster interpreted Kenny's speech as either tough love or heavy handed depending on who you asked. But that specific 8 out of 10 quote hasn't been cited anywhere other than Cornette/Last so consider the source there.

Does seem like a weird time to do a tough love/"light a fire" speech though when the rest of the meeting was said to be cited around team building.

Enjoy watching the EVPs work but they're performers, not executives. The "jobs for the boys" approach made more sense at the beginning but their job titles are meaningless at this point from all I've heard.

I trust Last. Honestly, they've been on top of a lot of the AEW drama from the beginning as ridiculous as Cornette can be.

And yeah, these guys shouldn't have this much power and Omega is a twat.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 09:02 AM
I don't think any of the 4 EVPs actually wanted to do backstage stuff, they wanted to perform and focus on being on-screen talents. That's their passion. But to get AEW off the ground they felt they all needed to pitch in behind the scenes.

The difference between them is Cody was the only one who actually continued to fulfill his backstage job duties once the company got on TV and started having some success. Because even if he realized it wasn't what he wanted to be doing, it was still the job he signed up for. The other EVPs didn't go to meetings or any of that.

Never sounded like there was a bitter fallout between the parties, more of a quiet distancing and it's easy to see why. I'd distance myself too if I was the only one of the 4 focused on running the company while the other 3 just piss about and do their own thing.

Again, it's fine that all of these guys prefer to perform. Then take the EVP titles away. AEW has outgrown the need to have "the boys" in those positions. Put that title on a full-time staffer.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 09:15 AM
Again, it's fine that all of these guys prefer to perform. Then take the EVP titles away. AEW has outgrown the need to have "the boys" in those positions. Put that title on a full-time staffer.

Well that's probably gonna happen now.

Problem with the EVPs is that if you aren't going to take it seriously, the stink is still on you through everything you do.

Bucks and Omega haven't booked themselves as unbeatable--but they don't do anybody any favours either. The people who've worked with the Bucks can say "we had a match the crowd really liked," no doubt. But they never end up better for it. All while the Bucks remain heavily featured acting like two dorks that don't move the meter.

Omega is...I dunno. I don't mind him. I love listening to Cornette so I try not to let his commentary on Mr. Olivier blind me too much. I think he can wrestle pretty damned well but he vastly overrates himself and his promos are bush league as is his general presentation. He has cool outfits and his fans seem to appreciate some of his pageantry and I can't help but think some of that is earned. But he's a niche-within-a-niche and needs to evolve to the next stage.

And honestly, I know he put Hangman over--but where did that get Hangman? It wasn't like the dude suddenly had all this credibility because he beat Kenny. So, basically, once again, Kenny has done nothing to make anybody--much like the Bucks. And I'd argue, despite his run in the promotion thus far being decent enough with some good matches, it's been quite underwhelming compared to all the hype surrounding him in New Japan.

So while these guys were obviously instrumental in getting things up and running, they aren't leaders. They're still performers themselves who--as much as they think they're the height of pro wrestling--actually haven't found themselves. At least not on North American soil.

BTW I'm not even arguing with you Vito. Just going on a Noid rant.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 09:29 AM
Per SI...Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, Brandon Cutler, Michael Nakazawa, Pat Buck, and Christopher Daniels have been suspended for physical confrontation.

No word yet on CM Punk or Ace Steel but the expectation is that they will both be gone.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 09:32 AM
Official AEW statement on the suspensions:

https://i.imgur.com/xXBMeLk.jpg

slik
09-07-2022, 09:33 AM
lol

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 09:37 AM
Cutler, Nakazawa, Buck, and Daniels were all said to just be trying to break up the fight so it's kinda weird to see them get suspended but I also get it if you want zero tolerance for any sort of physical involvement.

Guess the whole pull-apart brawl doesn't work in real life :lol:

slik
09-07-2022, 09:41 AM
Damn at Cutler/Pat Buck/Nakazawa getting suspended for trying to break things up

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 09:42 AM
If that's all true, AEW has adopted the NBA's "Don't leave the bench" rule.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 09:47 AM
I was very sunshine and rainbows about AEW when it started. Rooted for Tony Khan to get it right. Super exciting stuff.

But this guy clearly doesn't have a clue about dealing with a wrestling locker room. It should be obvious due to the constant tumult in all his sports team locker rooms.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 09:49 AM
Damn at Cutler/Pat Buck/Nakazawa getting suspended for trying to break things up

Putting my HR cap back on, it's not unusual during an investigation to suspend everybody involved while the investigation is ongoing. It's likely that the guys just breaking up the fight are on paid suspension vs. unpaid for the people actually fighting.

rez
09-07-2022, 09:57 AM
Official AEW statement on the suspensions:

https://i.imgur.com/xXBMeLk.jpg

Haha nice

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 10:12 AM
I read somewhere that Tonys meeting with Phil last night was to discuss how they will be handling his exit from the company.

Punk/Steel not being on the list of suspended talent tells me all I need to know though really.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 10:13 AM
Yeah I'd assume Punk is toast.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 10:18 AM
But Punk did nothing wrong. How else was he to respond to a vicious 3 on 1 assault?

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 10:19 AM
Politics. Always politics. :rant:

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 10:24 AM
But Punk did nothing wrong. How else was he to respond to a vicious 3 on 1 assault?

In another of the many ways he has tried to emulate Bret Shart, it turns out that Punk screwed Punk.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 10:27 AM
You’re a monster.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 10:33 AM
“Michael Naka... Naka... Not gonna work here for a while anyway.”

Vastardikai
09-07-2022, 10:40 AM
If SRS claims it wasn't the Bucks, it doesn't mean it wasn't Cutler or Nakazawa, aka their stooges.

Also, SRS can't even figure out the difference between his main and sock accounts, or his main page and his DMs, as you do.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 10:43 AM
If SRS claims it wasn't the Bucks, it doesn't mean it wasn't Cutler or Nakazawa, aka their stooges.

Also, SRS can't even figure out the difference between his main and sock accounts, or his main page and his DMs, as you do.

Yeah like just because it wasn't directly from the EVPs doesn't mean it's not a result of them sending out whispers. And obviously Dave is taking up for his best pals the Bucks and Omega.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 10:45 AM
CM Punk decreed they said it so it must be true.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 10:46 AM
Well at least you've finally admitted it, Seph

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 10:49 AM
Uncle Dave is basically an informal member of The Elite at this point anyway.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 10:56 AM
CM Punk has problems with people everywhere he goes. It's never his fault though. He's always just an innocent victim who trouble seems to follow. Maybe he's been cursed by Danhausen all this time because there is no way that the guy who is always at the center of drama is at fault. Nope, no way.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 11:01 AM
Punk is obviously a prick--as highlighted in his unsolicited rant against Colt Cabana and his mom--but if you're willing to stand up for yourself in any professional environment where falling into place in the pecking order is the expected practice, then you'll have problems wherever you go.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 11:13 AM
I’ll say it again: We need more wrestlers who have a genuine hate for each other. Wrestling sucks when everything is sunshine and rainbows.

… And I can’t stress this enough: More drugs and booze, dammit.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 11:17 AM
CM Punk has problems with people everywhere he goes. It's never his fault though. He's always just an innocent victim who trouble seems to follow. Maybe he's been cursed by Danhausen all this time because there is no way that the guy who is always at the center of drama is at fault. Nope, no way.

So then try and out yourself in Punks shoes for a minute. Everywhere you go you constantly have marks or management Fucking with you. Or in this case marks in management.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 11:17 AM
Punk can’t even put himself in Punk’s shoes.

You mean Danhausen’s shoes?

That post doesn’t exist..

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:17 AM
Megha was speaking to The Elite before the altercation happened. Daniels was with them when they stormed Punk’s lockerroom. Megha apparently witnessed at least part of the altercation and took Punk’s dog to safety.

If I were Punk, I’d give Tony the belt and fucking quit.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 11:18 AM
So then try and put yourself in Punks shoes for a minute. Everywhere you go you constantly have marks or management Fucking with you. Or in this case marks in management.

Punk can’t even put himself in Punk’s shoes.

You mean Danhausen’s shoes?

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:19 AM
It’s possible for Punk to be a miscreant and be right about AEW being bush league and a toxic place to work.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 11:21 AM
That post doesn’t exist..

I’m so quick-witted I wrote and posted the response before the original post.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:25 AM
I don’t know how I continue working there even if I’m someone completely separate from this shit. TK pays well, but this is just embarrassing.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 11:27 AM
Yeah, if a I’m a talent of any worth I’m going to work for the company that was only recently run by a sexual predator.

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 11:28 AM
Its Wednesday

You know what that means.....

xrodmuc316
09-07-2022, 11:36 AM
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Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:41 AM
Yeah, if a I’m a talent of any worth I’m going to work for the company that was only recently run by a sexual predator.

At least the company ran. And that sexual predator is gone now.

By the way, The Bucks were friends with and propped Joey Ryan up for years. Omega’s shit in Japan is dicey as hell. Glass houses and whatnot.

slik
09-07-2022, 11:42 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a difference a year makes… <a href="https://t.co/eRGuI5gDWC">pic.twitter.com/eRGuI5gDWC</a></p>&mdash; Diva Incarnate (@NYCDemonD1va) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYCDemonD1va/status/1567184929166860291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Vastardikai
09-07-2022, 11:44 AM
Megha was speaking to The Elite before the altercation happened. Daniels was with them when they stormed Punk’s lockerroom. Megha apparently witnessed at least part of the altercation and took Punk’s dog to safety.

If I were Punk, I’d give Tony the belt and fucking quit.

If that's the case, Punk gets an easy out. All he has to say are 3 words that Megha absolutely understands, and he gets a shit barrel of money walking out the door.

Those 3 words? Hostile. Working. Environment.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:44 AM
I hope if Punk leaves and it’s under his own volition, he doesn’t sign an NDA.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 11:46 AM
At least the company ran. And that sexual predator is gone now.

By the way, The Bucks were friends with and propped Joey Ryan up for years. Omega’s shit in Japan is dicey as hell. Glass houses and whatnot.

No glass houses because I’m not making the argument that one is better than the other, just that both have their own inherent problems.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:48 AM
If that's the case, Punk gets an easy out. All he has to say are 3 words that Megha absolutely understands, and he gets a shit barrel of money walking out the door.

Those 3 words? Hostile. Working. Environment.

We obviously don’t know all the details, but my early guess for how this was going to go is Punk leaving (his choice), Ace Steel leaving (mutual), The Bucks and Omega no longer being EVPs.

I’m on Punk’s side as the lesser of two evils (from where I sit). I hope he takes them to the cleaners, honestly.

slik
09-07-2022, 11:48 AM
Suspending Chris Daniels seems especially weird since he's literally talent relations and it would be his job to intervene

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:49 AM
No glass houses because I’m not making the argument that one is better than the other, just that both have their own inherent problems.

Then why bring it up in the first place? I’m just saying that AEW is toxic. Got nothing to do with WWE at all.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:50 AM
Suspending Chris Daniels seems especially weird since he's literally talent relations and it would be his job to intervene

It’s not his job to intervene like he apparently did. That’s like the opposite of his job, lol.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 11:54 AM
I’m really interested to know how how guys like JR feel through all this.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 11:57 AM
Then why bring it up in the first place? I’m just saying that AEW is toxic. Got nothing to do with WWE at all.

Oh sorry. They should go back to making 300 bucks a night on the indies because AEW is toxic. Gotcha.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 11:57 AM
Completely non toxic Indy wrestling scene.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 12:01 PM
AEW should promote that the leaker has been identified and will be announced LIVE on Dynamite.

https://411mania.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Tony-Khan-AEW-Dark-Elevation-645x370.png

"IT'S ME PHIL! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG PHIL!"

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 12:21 PM
That would actually be a good play.

slik
09-07-2022, 12:24 PM
I am very pro chaos in general, hence why I loved Vince stepping down...because chaos leads to change

so I kind of hope Punk is fired for the chaos it will bring

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 12:27 PM
Either they kiss and make up and agree to get along or punk is gone. Reality is he’s likely in his last run even if his body was more durable than a wet paper towel. Omega, the bucks and hangman still have way more years left in them. At least I assume as much.

Dynamite gonna be really interesting tonight.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 12:28 PM
I am very pro chaos in general, hence why I loved Vince stepping down...because chaos leads to change

so I kind of hope Punk is fired for the chaos it will bring

Punk getting injured brought chaos and nobody seemed to enjoy it.

rez
09-07-2022, 12:28 PM
Lol all this drama is going to make for an interesting Dynamite. Tony gotta be scrambling today

slik
09-07-2022, 12:30 PM
If anything, tonight is the night to finally debut Gail Kim (with a cape) as the new on-air authority figure for AEW

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 12:32 PM
Punk just needs to stop diving. Hear me out.

He dived into the crowd, broke his foot.

Dived into Moxley through the ropes? There goes his triceps (apparently).

Dived into Kenny and The Bucks backstage? Bye bye career.

He just has to stop diving and things will turn around.

rez
09-07-2022, 12:33 PM
Or Danhausen @slik

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 12:36 PM
If they fire Punk they should air a vignette purportedly filmed before the events the other night showing Danhausen cursing him like he's never been cursed before.

slik
09-07-2022, 12:41 PM
Or Danhausen @slik

Commisionerhausen debuts

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 12:41 PM
Punk just needs to stop diving. Hear me out.

He dived into the crowd, broke his foot.

Dived into Moxley through the ropes? There goes his triceps (apparently).

Dived into Kenny and The Bucks backstage? Bye bye career.

He just has to stop diving and things will turn around.

Dived into Kenny and The Bucks? Thats an awfully weird way of describing being the victim of a gang attack.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 12:42 PM
Cmon, it's Kenny and The Bucks. Not the MEAN STREET POSSE.

IC Champion
09-07-2022, 12:43 PM
No, the mean street posse were over.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 12:44 PM
I could honestly see nobody, not even MJF, bringing this up on TV. Very possible there will be a gag order from legal as investigations are ongoing.

Of course, if MJF really wants out he could just go scorched earth anyway.

Triple A
09-07-2022, 12:51 PM
Lol all this drama is going to make for an interesting Dynamite. Tony gotta be scrambling today

Worried Dynamite might suck cause of all of the mayhem... no time to book a decent show cause Tony Khan is 2 stressed out! Boring Wheeler Yuta match gonna go like 45 mins to fill time..........

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 12:54 PM
He’s about to dived into being unemployed again

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 01:02 PM
I can't wait 7 hours at this point.

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 01:03 PM
Where is THAT MONSTER. Kenton Lane, these days? Does he know what's going on??

Ryan Clark would have had the scoop by now.

rez
09-07-2022, 01:08 PM
Vince Russo enters the chatroom

slik
09-07-2022, 01:13 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/Ghy27KXZ/image.png

McLegend
09-07-2022, 01:22 PM
Punk just needs to stop diving. Hear me out.

He dived into the crowd, broke his foot.

Dived into Moxley through the ropes? There goes his triceps (apparently).

Dived into Kenny and The Bucks backstage? Bye bye career.

He just has to stop diving and things will turn around.

You do have a point though.

He does have to change his style if he wants to keep wrestling.

McLegend
09-07-2022, 01:29 PM
This was probably said about 15 pages ago. Also I’m to familiar with Tony Khan.

Wasn’t Tony Khan right next to Punk as he was saying all this shit? That’s crazy you go on a tirade with your boss right there, and your boss is like “eh!”

ron the dial
09-07-2022, 01:34 PM
punk even put his hand on TK's chest at one point to stop him from talking, and was like, "no, TK, that wasn't your job." don't remember exactly what that was in reference to, but TK definitely just sat there and let it happen.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 01:36 PM
This backstage shit is gonna draw a larger audience than usual to Dynamite. Nobody involved will be there, they probably won't mention it at all and then the people tuning in will feel cheated.

Back to their regular audience next week and the wheel turns.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 01:39 PM
Feel like they have to address it considering Punk is the champ. They can't just ignore it entirely.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 01:42 PM
I'd expect a MJF wink wink nod nod thing "where is the champ, anyway?" before going into his own promo.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 01:43 PM
Worried Dynamite might suck cause of all of the mayhem... no time to book a decent show cause Tony Khan is 2 stressed out! Boring Wheeler Yuta match gonna go like 45 mins to fill time..........

It’s probably gonna suck because expectations are so high now and chances are none of the guys are gonna be on the show, the subject will be skated around and all we’ll get is a few vague references from MJF, Max Caster, etc. that everyone can speculate “WAS THAT A DIG???”

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 01:43 PM
Damn, Vito.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 01:44 PM
The show should open with MJF walking out with the title like "This is mine now. Deal with it."

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 01:54 PM
MJF calling out Punk like Punk did to Hangman would be hilarious.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 01:56 PM
You know it might actually be a good idea to have MJF and Caster take a few cheap shots on Punk and the Elite. With MJFs situation clearly being a work, and now this stuff, if those guys throw in a few jabs it may make everyone think the Punk/Elite stuff is also a work and get some of the heat off of them while they deal with it internally.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 01:59 PM
Imagine if AEW follows up the work that everyone thought was a shoot with a shoot that everyone ends up thinking is a work.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 02:00 PM
We live in hell.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 02:05 PM
We live in hell.
https://media.sketchfab.com/models/49efaa2c91094e4ab3c8184d2ec537a9/thumbnails/b0b040369cc541719272d827e328e643/7f49e2acb05a4beab23e908069e2ca22.jpeg

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 02:08 PM
Wrestling has come full circle from its early days of “No way it’s all fake” to “No way it’s all real” and now back to “No way it’s all fake.”

McLegend
09-07-2022, 02:12 PM
If AEW doesn’t turn this into an angle they and everyone involved suck.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 02:15 PM
Has anyone mentioned Tony saying as Punk left the table at the scrum “He’s a sweetheart. Sweet guy.”

:lol:

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 02:18 PM
LOL

Simple Fan
09-07-2022, 02:20 PM
Tony is too much of a fan. He set there eating up everything said like a fan and not the owner of the company. Also let Punk walk all over him when he tried to speak.

Should have never brought Punk in really. Looks awful and can't wrestle anymore.

Jordan
09-07-2022, 02:27 PM
Tony is too much of a fan. He set there eating up everything said like a fan and not the owner of the company. Also let Punk walk all over him when he tried to speak.

Should have never brought Punk in really. Looks awful and can't wrestle anymore.

He had a great match with my man and favorite wrestler Jon Mox at the ppv

drave
09-07-2022, 02:27 PM
The show should open with MJF walking out with the title like "This is mine now. Deal with it."




This is exactly what should happen.

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 02:29 PM
Assuming Punk is either suspended for a while or outright fired...MJF/Mox having a banger at Grand Slam sounds fun.

Simple Fan
09-07-2022, 02:34 PM
He had a great match with my man and favorite wrestler Jon Mox at the ppv

Needs to stick to simple matches like that instead of trying to prove something by diving and trying stuff he's not capable of.

slik
09-07-2022, 02:45 PM
Malakai Black granted release from AEW per Fightful

Evil Vito
09-07-2022, 03:10 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whoever made this CM Punk - Dark Side Of The Ring parody deserves a bloody raise... <a href="https://t.co/NlcODNdD6K">pic.twitter.com/NlcODNdD6K</a></p>&mdash; Adam Wilbourn (@adamwilbourn) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamwilbourn/status/1567530128095207424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

drave
09-07-2022, 03:11 PM
Malakai Black granted release from AEW per Fightful




Y'know, I always dig his look, entrances and all that. But over his whole stop//start thing all the time.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 03:18 PM
I love Moxley but I don’t want him anywhere near the title at this point. Not because he isn’t great, but because he’s just lost the damn thing and MJF should be the next guy after 3 straight babyface champions. And that means Moxley has to lose again.

If they do strip Punk of the title, I say run another tourney, building up to grand slam, and have Hangman win it. He’s seemingly back at the unsure of himself cowboy, and it never made sense that he just walked away from the title. He’s also not beaten MJF in AEW, I don’t believe, so there’s history there.

And him losing in another big match, which would be 4 in a row (title match with Punk, IWGP title match, trios title) just adds to his current story of serving regressing to insecurity.

drave
09-07-2022, 03:23 PM
No.


Hangman can take a back seat too.

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 03:25 PM
What is Julia Hart gonna do now???

Tune in to find out!!!

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 03:27 PM
They can't not confront this head on tonight in some capacity. You don't just sweep this under the rug with all the eyeballs that are going to be watching tonight. Don't pull that "legal has to deal with it first" card. Utter bullocks

ron the dial
09-07-2022, 03:34 PM
What is Julia Hart gonna do now???

Tune in to find out!!!

right back to cheerleader for varsity blondes with no explanation!

it's a shame too because i was really digging her in this role. she's had some decent squashes on dark recently. definitely a ways to go until she's top talent or anything, but definitely improving.

slik
09-07-2022, 04:00 PM
rumor going around Hangman Page might ask for release

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 04:01 PM
So hyped for AEWTF tonight boyzzzzzz

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 04:06 PM
I just wanna say that everything seemed fine until Punk started wearing Danhausen’s boots.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 04:13 PM
https://c.tenor.com/mRfTbm9gKzEAAAAd/danhausen.gif

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 04:13 PM
damn you i was just about to post one of those.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 04:14 PM
Danhausen has clearly cursed TK and AEW for not delivering on their promises of blimphausens and human monies.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 04:15 PM
It was harder to find a good one than I thought it would be.

slik
09-07-2022, 04:16 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Punk injury, believed to be from the tope, is serious. Rumors from Sunday but he hadn't confirmed them but it's been confirmed to me no matter what happens discipline-wise that the title situation has to be changed and addressed tonight.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1567592520464625670?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to make it clear, Punk is home in Chicago, not in Buffalo.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1567593143549456384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 04:20 PM
They can't not confront this head on tonight in some capacity. You don't just sweep this under the rug with all the eyeballs that are going to be watching tonight. Don't pull that "legal has to deal with it first" card. Utter bullocks

They should turn it into a storyline

Simple Fan
09-07-2022, 04:22 PM
They can't not confront this head on tonight in some capacity. You don't just sweep this under the rug with all the eyeballs that are going to be watching tonight. Don't pull that "legal has to deal with it first" card. Utter bullocks

If they're not using it for a storyline all involved should be publicly shamed on television.

BigCrippyZ
09-07-2022, 04:22 PM
Injury might be the best thing honestly if they're going to keep Punk around. Let things cool off, see how things go, keeps open the possibility to turn it into a story if/when Punk can return.

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 04:25 PM
Vince would 100% turn this into a story but would add wife-swapping just to make everyone involved eat shit.

Frank Drebin
09-07-2022, 04:25 PM
Anyone else miss Vince?

ron the dial
09-07-2022, 04:26 PM
so do we keep following the interim champ path that has been laid out for us, or is the title just vacated now?

Simple Fan
09-07-2022, 04:30 PM
Vince would 100% turn this into a story but would add wife-swapping just to make everyone involved eat shit.

He'd reshoot the fight and have Ace Steel shoving Larry the dog's shit in Omega's mouth.

Triple A
09-07-2022, 04:44 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">- A Zoom call is scheduled with Punk &amp; Steel for 4 PM today with AEW personnel.<br><br>- Punk will require surgery, necessitating a new champion be crowned. <a href="https://t.co/SSIVfJUASu">https://t.co/SSIVfJUASu</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling Observer (@WONF4W) <a href="https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/1567608264443006982?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Triple A
09-07-2022, 04:45 PM
Sad about MJF and whatever cool stuff he had planned for his feud with Punk

xrodmuc316
09-07-2022, 04:49 PM
Vince would 100% turn this into a story but would add wife-swapping just to make everyone involved eat shit.

LOL, you are not lying, Vince would love it. :lol:

Damian Rey 2.0
09-07-2022, 04:55 PM
Sad about MJF and whatever cool stuff he had planned for his feud with Punk

He’s going to be red hot and this is just going to give him a hot topic to primo about. He’s going to be fine.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 04:58 PM
BTW Vito just because you were discrediting Cornette and Brian--was just listening to SRS and he made a point to credit Last for some great reporting (he's doing reporting now) and put him over otherwise as being on top of his shit. I really just listen to specific Corny clips and get not being able to deal with him much, but Last has lots of sources and catches stuff before most. People obviously ignore him because he's Corny's second but I'd trust him over most because he's not a shill.

Triple A
09-07-2022, 04:59 PM
He’s going to be red hot and this is just going to give him a hot topic to primo about. He’s going to be fine.

All of his programs are really elaborate, so feels like there was a lot of stuff probably planned for this feud, which will have to be scrapped/changed... not just tonight

Triple A
09-07-2022, 05:01 PM
BTW Vito just because you were discrediting Cornette and Brian--was just listening to SRS and he made a point to credit Last for some great reporting (he's doing reporting now) and put him over otherwise as being on top of his shit. I really just listen to specific Corny clips and get not being able to deal with him much, but Last has lots of sources and catches stuff before most. People obviously ignore him because he's Corny's second but I'd trust him over most because he's not a shill.

I've listened to some clips from their show and Brian Last seems pretty reasonable/rational to me. Doesn't have the thing Cornette has where he hates someone for something they did years ago so everything they do is automatically horrible

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 05:03 PM
Oh sorry. They should go back to making 300 bucks a night on the indies because AEW is toxic. Gotcha.

Again, you’re deflecting. AEW fucking sucks. It’s got nothing to do with the indies or WWE. I would not want to work there for a myriad of reasons. At least most of the talent have been paid enough to be able to quit.

Worried Dynamite might suck cause of all of the mayhem... no time to book a decent show cause Tony Khan is 2 stressed out! Boring Wheeler Yuta match gonna go like 45 mins to fill time..........

Dynamite always sucks. They’re probably not going to be able to address anything due to legal consequences.

The show should open with MJF walking out with the title like "This is mine now. Deal with it."

MJF should walk out and say that Malakai Black got his release, he wants one too! And just leave.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 05:03 PM
Sad about MJF and whatever cool stuff he had planned for his feud with Punk

This is what I hate the most about it. MJF feuding with another guy with serious mic skills in Punk could have taken him to the next level. Now I don't know what they do with his direction. If Kenny wasn't in the situation I could have seen them trying him as champ again and he could have represented the "authority" as EVP and had MJF chasing him. But that wouldn't be 1/10th as interesting as the Punk feud.

Who do you make champ now other than Wardlow that makes sense for a feud with MJF and lets him capitalize on his storyline? And even that sucks because MJF needs to go over but you don't wanna bury Wardlow either. Like shit, they may have to make TK an on air authority figure just to give MJF something to work with.

Doubt they go Mox again. Or Hangman. Ideally D Bry would be positioned for it but holy shit they've booked him terribly imo. IF they had been booking him strong he'd make a GREAT guy to put MJF over....

Oh man I really hope they don't put Jericho in the spot again.

My dream scenario would end with them putting the strap on PAC and him destroying MJF and the whole stokely crew and then murdering everyone else on the roster on an unprecedented path of destruction.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 05:04 PM
Hangman Page is completely expendable. This is both the fault of this company and himself. Let him go. WWE won’t touch him. He can go and work for Freddie Prinze or MLW.

#1-norm-fan
09-07-2022, 05:04 PM
Corny is pretty fair when it comes to AEW though. He even praised the angle that built to the Punk vs Moxley match that everyone else seemed to shit on.

Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2022, 05:06 PM
This is what I hate the most about it. MJF feuding with another guy with serious mic skills in Punk could have taken him to the next level. Now I don't know what they do with his direction. If Kenny wasn't in the situation I could have seen them trying him as champ again and he could have represented the "authority" as EVP and had MJF chasing him. But that wouldn't be 1/10th as interesting as the Punk feud.

Who do you make champ now other than Wardlow that makes sense for a feud with MJF and lets him capitalize on his storyline? And even that sucks because MJF needs to go over but you don't wanna bury Wardlow either. Like shit, they may have to make TK an on air authority figure just to give MJF something to work with.

Doubt they go Mox again. Or Hangman. Ideally D Bry would be positioned for it but holy shit they've booked him terribly imo. IF they had been booking him strong he'd make a GREAT guy to put MJF over....

Oh man I really hope they don't put Jericho in the spot again.

My dream scenario would end with them putting the strap on PAC and him destroying MJF and the whole stokely crew and then murdering everyone else on the roster on an unprecedented path of destruction.

Bad booking and bad management is why they’re having these issues in the first place. If things were set up nicely and talent were where they’re supposed to be, guys like Punk wouldn’t hate the place nearly as much.

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 05:10 PM
MJF should walk out and say that Malakai Black got his release, he wants one too! And just leave.

Man just imaging MJF walking out and saying "I have mental health issues too. FUCKING FIRE ME TONY, DO IT BITCH!!! See, mental issues. Bye."

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 05:11 PM
Bad booking and bad management is why they’re having these issues in the first place. If things were set up nicely and talent were where they’re supposed to be, guys like Punk wouldn’t hate the place nearly as much.

Punk hating a place is not a valid measuring stick for me. He's hated every place he's been. He's just one of those people that is seemingly always miserable.

Triple A
09-07-2022, 05:12 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you everyone who watches <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTV</a>!<br><br>Tonight LIVE on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> on Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> I’ll address the <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> World Championship + <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> World Trios Championship!<br><br>Please join us on TBS tonight on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> Dynamite for a great wrestling show live<br>@ 8pm ET/7pm CT TONIGHT!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1567619045834326017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sepholio
09-07-2022, 05:12 PM
@Noid: Not that your point wasn't valid.

Ol Dirty Dastard
09-07-2022, 05:15 PM
@Noid: Not that your point wasn't valid.

That's not what you said in our elite facebook convos.

Blonde Moment
09-07-2022, 05:17 PM
At this point Punk has been proven to be to injury prone to hold a major title.
Given the drama he brinks to the company I would pay his medical, recovery time and let him go

Simple Fan
09-07-2022, 05:26 PM
This really fucks MJF. He wanted fired but CM Punk might actually get fired. Really screws that story when all he had to do was attack the Elite. Also winning the championship off Punk would mean more. Could also used to turn MJF if Punk returns and cost him the championship. Punk and the Elite working together the whole time.