Official Raw Thread(07/11): Why Shawn why?

[The Answer]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/feature/29062/856164

Will HBK have an explanation?
July 11, 2005

The Fourth of July edition of RAW provided plenty of fireworks, but the fallout from the show could be even more exciting!

Hulkamaniacs everywhere were left shocked and appalled at the end of RAW Monday night as Shawn Michaels delivered brutal Sweet Chin Music to his supposed “favorite tag team partner,” Hulk Hogan. HBK just stared at the fallen Hogan as the crowd showered Michaels with deafening boos. Will HBK provide the fans with the method for his madness? Tune in to RAW to find out.

WWE.com has just learned that Intercontinental Champion Carlito will battle Shelton Benjamin tonight in a Vengeance rematch.

In another rematch from the Vengeance pay-per-view, Kane will face Edge. Can Kane, once again, defeat Edge? Find out tonight on RAW!

Sgt. Slaughter’s first-ever Bikini Boot Camp has come and gone, and Elisabeth was the winner. The win was an important one, as it gave the Diva hopeful immunity in the first round of voting for the 2005 RAW Diva Search.

Tonight, the Diva hopefuls will compete in a talent competition. There will be several unique talents on display. But before all this, one girl will be eliminated from the competition. Watch RAW to find out which girl is going home.

Also, WWE Champion John Cena and Chris Jericho got into a war of words last Monday on the Highlight Reel, but it soon turned into a war of fisticuffs as the two Superstars had to be separated. Will their paths cross once again tonight?

All this and more Monday at 9/8 CT only on Spike TV.

The anti-Hogan fans are going to have a field day with that pic

[KingofOldSchool]

A little early there kid.

[The Answer]

A little early there kid.

2 hours before show time isn't bad as it get's people prepared for the show. I mean some people have already done Raw threads at 3 pm.

[Kane Knight]

That's the best they can come up with? Why Shawn Why?

[SuperSlim]

Why Bret Why... the undold story
Why Shawn Why... the soon to be told story

[KingofOldSchool]

Hogan Screwed Hogan.

[PureHatred]

So once again, John Cena is an afterthought.

Good thinking WWE Creative teamm! Bring your most over performer to Raw and then immediately kill his heat by having him take a backseat to Hulk Hogan, HBK, the Diva Search and any other god damn thing they can think of.

Well, at least when Cena is good and stale, that'll make it that much easier to let Trips beat him for the title. :roll:

[Kane Knight]

Well, they can't put Trips in the limelight, so why not ruin Cena with Hogan instead?

[Loose Cannon]

http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/7636/17se.gif

suck it Hogan.

[SuperSlim]

Hogan on Raw... woot.

[Kane Knight]

Hogan on Raw=:yawn: :D

[Kane Knight]

At least CSI is entertaining.

[Azriel]

Finally, after 2 weeks, Azriel has COME BACK to the RAW thread. WOOO!!

Anyway, I think Shawn will say he's jealous of Hogan with this whole new show of Hogan's, and Shawn will say how he's more of a headliner than Hogan, that sort of thing.

Also, I would just like to say

SUCK IT HOGAN

[Loose Cannon]

yea Azriel. tell them

[The Answer]

I was just thinkin about a Flair interview on a radio show a while back. He mentioned that a reformation of the four horseman was possible in the future. With HBK turning heel and HHH and Kurt Angle not doing much is this feasible?

[LK]

Just lol at that picture of old man Hogan

[Azriel]

Nicely done LC :lol:

[SuperSlim]

I'm curious what's going to happen in the diva search

[PorkSoda]

Get the dongle!

HBK is going to cut a promo tonight. I predict that.

[Volchok]

My left nut > Hogan

[PorkSoda]

Xero Limit is also going to make his Raw debut and haul ass on everyone :)

[Face Heely]

Just lol at that picture of old man Hogan

He looks like Heihachi from Tekken.

[SuperSlim]

wonder whose opening the show

[Azriel]

Probably HBK

[SuperSlim]

I think Hogan is gonna finally do the unthinkable and open up a show talkin bout HBK for bout 5 minutes. Then Angle comes out and talks Hogan down. Then finally HBK comes out and we hear the heel HBK talkin for a bit.

[PullMyFinger]

Hogan is alright (although no where near his nWo heel era)....and IMO WWE is giving the fans what they want. I mean, the marks definitely go nuts when they even hear the mere mention of the name Hogan. So, the marks enjoy it and they're the majority of WWE fans...so "WUTEVA!" (John Lynch style)...LOL

p.s. cuz this is my united states of wuteva!!!

[Kane Knight]

Almost tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime

[Azriel]

sounds about right

[Loose Cannon]

pretty pumped for HBK tonight.

[Loose Cannon]

I hope he comes out chewing his gum and smiling like a cocky mother f'er. Like old days.

[PullMyFinger]

Hmmmmm so I can watch it now at 6 on DirecTV..or I can watch it in 3 hrs at 9 o clock on Comcast Spike. Which one do I choose??? Which one would you choose?

[Bad Company]

Hogan! Hogan! Hogan!

[SuperSlim]

man I can't believe I'm waitin for HBK to show up on my TV. :D

[Face Heely]

Is Hogan even gonna be on the show? The preview only mentions Shawn Michaels appearing. Sure, Hogan returns to the WWE like a swallow to Capistrano, but rarely for multiple weeks in a row; besides, wasn't his current deal to appear for two weeks to advertise his TV show? (Hooray for the Huckster!)

[PullMyFinger]

Hmmmmm so I can watch it now at 6 on DirecTV..or I can watch it in 3 hrs at 9 o clock on Comcast Spike. Which one do I choose??? Which one would you choose?
????

[JT]

Was just at Rajah.com, and rumor has it that Matt Hardy was seen today at the Newark airport and going into the Continental Airlines Arena today. Again, just a rumor...but still very interesting to hear.

[LK]

Was just at Rajah.com, and rumor has it that Matt Hardy was seen today at the Newrk airport and going into the Continental Airline Arena today. Again, just a rumor...but still very interesting to hear.
Kane vs Edge tonight. Interesting.

[Face Heely]

Hooray for the Meadowlands! Hooray for New Jersey!

We want Chaz! We want Chaz!

[Azriel]

here we goooooooooo!!!

[SuperSlim]

for once the sweet chin music was actually sweet

[Azriel]

Maybe Shawn will say it was just an unconscious reflex move :lol:

[LK]

I hope he comes out chewing his gum and smiling like a cocky mother f'er. Like old days.
I hope Kurt comes out singing his verison.

I'm just a sexy Kurt,
I'll make your ankle hurt

[Azriel]

:lol: Good one LK

[PullMyFinger]

ok nevermind, I decided to just watch it at 9 o clock on comcast..pacific time...instead of eastern time right now...6 on dtv.

[Azriel]

Here's Carlito

[LK]

Carlito starting off

[SuperSlim]

our defeated IC champ

[Face Heely]

Every show should open with Carlito. And end with Carlito. And feature him in a recurring role throughout.

Hell, just rename Raw "Carlito's Cabana."

[Azriel]

The Hi-Lite reel is cooler

[Loose Cannon]

they're really pushing the segment

[Loose Cannon]

HBK's gonna get pops in Jersey

[Loose Cannon]

and so are most heels

[SuperSlim]

Carlito Cabana is cool though

[LK]

Man that hair rules!

[SuperSlim]

HBK HBK

[Gone Mad]

WOOOO!! Carlito is in the house! And that my friends, is cool. :cool:

And hi everybody! [/Dr.Nick]

[LK]

Did I just hear them boo Hogan

[LK]

Y2J

[Loose Cannon]

uh oh

[Face Heely]

HBK's gonna get pops in Jersey

Damn straight. Listen to that mixed reaction for HB...J? Wrong blonde, cocky dude, guys.

[Azriel]

Hey, tis Jericho!

[SuperSlim]

well this just got interesting
Y2J Y2J

[Gone Mad]

**** BOWS FOR THE TRUE ROCKSTAR, CHRIS JERICHO!! ****

[Batsu]

Had this been on SmackDown, the Y2J chants would have been muffled.

[Batsu]

were those boos in those cheers?

[KingofOldSchool]

Hahahaha Copacabana.

[Azriel]

They're gonna fight for which show is better a la Splaya/MVP :lol:

[Gone Mad]

POPS for the obscenely expensive JeriTron 5000!

Hi-Lite Reel >>> Copa Cabana show.

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, this is like Piper's Pit vs The Flower Shop when they had them running at the exact same time.

[Azriel]

This is awesome :lol:

[Face Heely]

Ba-zing! Both guys are hot tonight. And dat's cool.

[LK]

Dat's not cool

[Batsu]

Hmm, weird that there are 3 announcers...

[Azriel]

You tell him Jericho

[Face Heely]

Haha...they're booing Canada.

[LK]

lol Sideshow Bob

[Batsu]

Chris Canadian Cool!! LMFAO!!

SIDESHOW BOB!!! LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[SuperSlim]

haha Sideshow Bob

[Azriel]

Sideshow Bob! YES!

[Kane Knight]

Shit, had to go check out my brother's car. What did I miss? I came in partway through the Cabana.

[KingofOldSchool]

LMAO

[KingofOldSchool]

LOL CARSON DALY

[Loose Cannon]

Piper needs to come out

[Loose Cannon]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[LK]

RODDY PIPER!!!!!!!!!

[SuperSlim]

Piper?

[Batsu]

Jericho is on fire.

WTF?!!! PIPER?!!!

[Face Heely]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! IT"S RODDY FREAKIN' PIPER!

[Azriel]

What the..? :lol:

[KingofOldSchool]

PIPER!!!!!!!!

[Kane Knight]

Anothe r talk show host. How many more can we set up?

[Linkbowler]

HOTROD!!

[Loose Cannon]

MARKS IT OUT

[Gone Mad]

WTF?! IT'S PIPER!! Now Rene Dupree needs to come out and... well, MENTION he had a show too.

This is a great segment. Period.

[KingofOldSchool]

I WANT BROTHER LOVE

[Savio]

Next renee will come out.

[owenbrown]

LMFAO @ BUCKWHEAT I JUST SPIT OUT SIERRA MIST WHEN I HEARD THAT :rofl:

[Azriel]

YES!!

[Linkbowler]

Too bad they released Janetty...Barbershop redux.

[SuperSlim]

the return of the Pit

[The Answer]

Piper's Pit :y:

[Batsu]

Ok, I didn't see THAT coming...

[Kane Knight]

Wow. 20 people fighting over who gets to interview Michaels. Just when you thought Cena couldn't get MROE buried.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Piper is so the fucking man!

[Loose Cannon]

Piper Owns the Mic

[Azriel]

that was comic gold

[Joey Slugs]

"EVERYONE PAYS THE PIPER!"

[SuperSlim]

looks like we know who is taking the spotlight in HHH's absence

[Kane Knight]

Buckweat. How original. At least we know ONE person watched Smackdown.

[Kane Knight]

looks like we know who is taking the spotlight in HHH's absence
:wave:

[Batsu]

Chris Jericho was on fire:

"Sideshow Bob"

"Chris Canadian Cool"

I hadn't heard so many quotables from him since the time of Stephanie McMahon being on TV....

[Face Heely]

Now there's a way to pop out a legend and still get your current superstars over. This reinforces the concept of the interview segment; and that Jericho and Carlito, as WWE's current interview-segment hosts, are the heirs to Piper's legacy. (Kinda like Terry Funk's relationship with Mick Foley.)

[Sepholio]

Not to bring it up again, but with Edge and Kane having a rematch with Lita at ringside, and Hardy supposedly being free as of today, I think we may see him return tonight. Either that or they will tease it again :/

Either way, PIPER WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Joey Slugs]

Buckweat. How original. At least we know ONE person watched Smackdown.

kidding right?

[Batsu]

AW CRAP, PISS BREAK.

[KingofOldSchool]

Oh christ.

[owenbrown]

hey its the human piss break :shifty:

[SuperSlim]

piss break

[Savio]

LMFAO @ BUCKWHEAT I JUST SPIT OUT SIERRA MIST WHEN I HEARD THAT :rofl:I spit it out cuz it sucks

Brock will break it.

[Azriel]

This jackhole still on TV? Dear Lord :roll: Why wasn't he released?

[Linkbowler]

If anyone wondered where the home run derby steroids went, turn on Spike.

[JT]

This is already too must Masters than I can stand.

[Gone Mad]

Wow. 20 people fighting over who gets to interview Michaels. Just when you thought Cena couldn't get MROE buried.

Yeah, but would you rather have them arguing to interview one of the Diva Search girls or the MasterPiece of Shit? Exactly. But don't worry, the champ will have his time to shine too.

[LK]

Guess who is on now. Give you a clue. He really, really, really sucks. Three guess'.

[Face Heely]

Kick his face in, Tajiri. Break 'im in half. Hell, I don't care if Tajiri loses, as long as Masters takes a few ultra-stiff shots.

[KingofOldSchool]

Chris "My job is safe for now" Masters

[Joey Slugs]

time to go back to the HR Derby

[The Answer]

Break his fuckin nose Tajiri

[Azriel]

Kick his ass Tajiri. Make him pay for wasting our precious time

[Batsu]

Well, at least Tajiri is kicking the crap outta Piss Break.

[Batsu]

Whoa, ECW Chants.

[Kane Knight]

The one upside to this match is seeing Tajiri wrestle. The only downside to no masterlock challenge is we have to see MAsters rassle.

[SuperSlim]

hmmmm

[Azriel]

God, Tajiri's kicks are sure lethal. I love it

[Face Heely]

Well, Masters'll win after locking in the Masterlock, despite his lack of offense...because it is the unbreakable submission hold.

[JT]

Whoa, ECW Chants.

New Jersey is apart of ECW Country man. :cool:

[Gone Mad]

Well... at least Tajiri is doing something to Masters now and not jobbing completely. How he has his job still mind-boggles me. Someone fire him.... out of a cannon.


....God, I hate the Piece of Shit.

[SuperSlim]

booooo this match stinks since once again someone loses

[Azriel]

You're supposed to do it two more times jackass. If you want to do your job, do it right

[Face Heely]

Masters' music is so loud, it drowns out the sound of apathy.

[SuperSlim]

HBK dressed in white?

[The Answer]

:lol: at the Micheals botch "To fast?"

[Azriel]

what a ruuuuush

[Linkbowler]

lol @ Shawn, "Is this too fast? Too fast? Do it again?"

[Sepholio]

I hate to say it, but Masters looked better tonight than he usually does, he actually used a real move in his arsenal.

[JT]

Looking at HBK's attire tonight, what might his awnser be...

HBK: God told me to kick out Hogan. I was simply taking out the evil one. I'm the new messah.

[Loose Cannon]

he's Shawn "The Baptist"

[Azriel]

WWE doing a comic book convention?

[Batsu]

LOL @ Snitsky...

[Face Heely]

Hey, it's a Snit-com! Get it? A Snit-com!

[Batsu]

Oh, no, come on....stop that.

[Joey Slugs]

Shawn's answer:

"God hates reality television"

[LK]

Matt's coming back

[Azriel]

Yeah, Matt's coming back tonight I think

[JTB31]

hmmmm Edge talking about Matt Hardy.Maybe the rumors are true

[Linkbowler]

...And the Hardy marks have heart attacks again

[LK]

definetly

[SuperSlim]

Lita has nasty looking feet

[Joey Slugs]

Matt's back. Vince can't "tease" twice without pulling the trigger.

[Azriel]

Oh dear Lord

[Face Heely]

I guess Matt Hardy survived Newark...and now Snitsky has a foot fetish? This is strange, but...well, I like it.

[Linkbowler]

Foot Fetishes definitely don't reek of awesomeness.

[Mayo]

So why was Matt bashing WWE on his website? A swerve?

[JT]

Wasn't I the one to say he's most likely at Raw tonight?

[Gone Mad]

LOL @ Snit's foot fetish!

"COME TO THE SAN DIEGO COMIC CON! YOU CAN SEE CELEBRITIES LIKE JESSICA ALBA, STORMTROOPERS, MICHAEL MADSEN, JUDE LAW......

...AND KANE." :shifty:

[SuperSlim]

foot fetish *shudder*

[The Answer]

Oh ya!!!!!! Their taunting the Hardy marks. HHH will be back next week

[Face Heely]

Oh ya!!!!!! Their taunting the Hardy marks. HHH will be back next week

Debuting with his new sidekick, Hunter Hearst...Hardy. :shifty:

[JT]

HHH: I can't be at Raw for a while because of my vacation...so just keep showing footage of me before I come back. Next week show when Mick Foley put me over...fool.

[Joey Slugs]

So why was Matt bashing WWE on his website? A swerve?

As fucked up as it is, I'm starting to think that all this shit really is just one big set-up.

[Azriel]

This Lita/Edge/Matt thing has to be a work now

[Sepholio]

Pretty good opening half hour tonight.

[SuperSlim]

a skillfully crafted work

[FearedSanctity]

I wouldn't be surprised if Matt comes back, but I don't think he will.

My guess is Vince is just fucking with us again. Trying to keep us watching

[Joey Slugs]

Last I heard, Hunter is getting his leg checked out again. If that's true, I'm doubting a return next week.

[Sepholio]

This Lita/Edge/Matt thing has to be a work now

I agree, as mad as Matt comes off about the whole situation and how much he bashes WWE, you would think he would try to sue them for slander by now if it wasn't a work.

[Azriel]

Hopefully this should be good

[Kane Knight]

a skillfully crafted work
Not if it started as a shoot...

[Face Heely]

Carlito again! This is truly the greatest, no, coolest RAW ever.

[SuperSlim]

Lilliannnnnnnnnnnnnnn :D

[The Answer]

I don't think Hardy is coming back. Read the main page he is already scheduled for Wrestlingfest where he and Rhyno will face the Dudley's

[Sepholio]

Match of the night right here.

[Loose Cannon]

it was never a work at the start. It was very real. But since the fans have been chanting for Matt ever since then and since he got one of the loudest pops I've ever heard for that "fake deal," Vince and Matt probably reached an agreement.

[Azriel]

Carlito needs a haircut

[Loose Cannon]

nothing lasts forever in wrestling, especially hard feelings and especially if there is potential money to be made.

[SuperSlim]

Not if it started as a shoot...

yeah... well some shoots are cool.

[Sepholio]

it was never a work at the start. It was very real. But since the fans have been chanting for Matt ever since then and since he got one of the loudest pops I've ever heard for that "fake deal," Vince and Matt probably reached an agreement.

Yeah, good point. That's probably another reason for all the releases, Matt probably demanded a fatter paycheck since they screwed him.

[SuperSlim]

haha :lol:

[Azriel]

Well, the thing is LC, I just can't picture Edge or Lita doing what they did. Sure I don't know what they're like in real life, but still...

[Sepholio]

ROFL!

*Shelton kips up behind Carlito*
Lawler: Uh-oh, not cool!

[SuperSlim]

Carlito needs a haircut

never

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah, good point. That's probably another reason for all the releases, Matt probably demanded a fatter paycheck since they screwed him.

Maybe he was never really released.

[Joey Slugs]

it was never a work at the start. It was very real. But since the fans have been chanting for Matt ever since then and since he got one of the loudest pops I've ever heard for that "fake deal," Vince and Matt probably reached an agreement.

Add to that:
- Edge going back to his wife.
- Matt and Lita talking again.
- I wouldn't doubt if Matt and Edge have talked it all over.

[Azriel]

Wait and see Slim

[SuperSlim]

Wait and see Slim

if he does then I'll :'(

[FearedSanctity]

Carlito needs a haircut
Nah, because with a haircut he looks like my dad.

Which is weird because they're both Colón's....



:shifty:

[Batsu]

Oh, LOL! Sideshow Bob chants!

[The Answer]

I think Matt Hardy's theme says it all about his WWE return. "You couldn't pay me enough". Hardy isn't stupid he knows that he will main event in TNA because of the fan reaction he has benn getting. Hell Jarrett already mentioned him on Impact...

[Azriel]

Your avatar scares me :lol:

[Batsu]

If Carlito actually does a finisher in this match after all this neck work, it would make sense.

[SuperSlim]

Sandman gettin busy wit himself

[The Answer]

If Carlito actually does a finisher in this match after all this neck work, it would make sense.

:lol: That's true he most likely holds the record for most WWE matches without peforming a finisher.

[Joey Slugs]

Hell Jarrett already mentioned him on Impact...

I heard that, but to me it sounded like JJ didn't mean to say it. Almost like he botched the "shoot".

[Azriel]

He has a finisher? :lol:

[Gone Mad]

Matt Hardy is NOT returning to WWE now. If he comes out tonight or in the next PPV, I'm eating my hat and half of my dog (the front half).

Triple C v. Mr. Benjamin = Ratings, damn you!

[Loose Cannon]

Your avatar scares me :lol:

lol, a huge cock

[Batsu]

What the heck...?! LOL!

Shelton rules.

[Face Heely]

If Carlito actually does a finisher in this match after all this neck work, it would make sense.

His finisher is the Overdrive, no? (I think we've had this discussion on this board...)

[Azriel]

woah, that was brutal. Go Shelton

[Joey Slugs]

best HR derby in years going on right now. just wanted to throw that out there.

[Face Heely]

Carlito's mannerisms and overall psychology is great (his in-ring style screams "heel," which is great, because Benjamin's style is outright baby face) but his ringwork hasn't been anything special yet.

That suplex-to-kick sequence, though, was great.

[Loose Cannon]

ROFL

Honky Tonk Carlito

[Azriel]

Sneaky, sneaky :lol:

[Batsu]

10 Counted? Gay.

[The Answer]

Wow, that was shit!!!!!!!

[SuperSlim]

interesting development

[Azriel]

Ok, who can read lips? What just happened?

[Loose Cannon]

I take it you guys never saw any Honky Tonk matches?

[LK]

Well anothe ramtch finished and no finisher used. But lol at him geting counted out.

[Sepholio]

CCC ph33rz Benjamin.

[SuperSlim]

10 count = is gay

[Azriel]

These M-azing commercials annoy me. Just use your fingers for Chrissakes :lol:

[Gone Mad]

Great match and nice ending as Carlito got what he wanted and that is... well, you know. Cool. I can't wait to see how he will lose that belt, even if I love Mr. Caribbean Cool.

The WWE champ, the Prototype is coming up NEXT! WOOOOOO!!

[Sepholio]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Ortiz in the homerun derby. Nuff' said.

[Loose Cannon]

He'll probably lose it to the Ultimate Warrior in 11 seconds

[Face Heely]

I take it you guys never saw any Honky Tonk matches?

Good call. Carlito's perfect for a reprisal of that gimmick. (Not the Honky Tonk stuff - though he's already done Elvis - but the long title reign due to cheap wins over stronger opponents.)

[Azriel]

THE CHAMP IS HURRRR!!

[Gone Mad]

$$$$$ THE CHAMP IS HURRRRR!!! JOHN CENA!! $$$$$

[The Answer]

So Brock Lesnar Tonight: Yes or No?

[Loose Cannon]

Chain Gang coming through

[Azriel]

He is so over, its ridiculous

[Loose Cannon]

[/Munther]....

[Azriel]

Cena/Jericho=teh goodz

[Face Heely]

...Tyson Tomko?

[Zen v.W.o.]

God this guy is lame.

[Batsu]

Well, that's a way to take your show back...

[Loose Cannon]

yea, he's over like rover definately.

[Joey Slugs]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Ortiz in the homerun derby. Nuff' said.

17 HRs in the 1st round
second best total ever.


:y:

[LK]

[/Munther]....
What kind of name is Munther anyway?

[Batsu]

Damn the "Asshole" censoring.

[Face Heely]

That's, what, the third time tonight we've expected one entrance theme and been hit with another? And every time I fall for it...

Hey, New Jersey'll call him a lot worse if ya give 'em a chance.

[Kane Knight]

They bleeped out Asshole and like 9 other seconds at this time of night?

[Sepholio]

I've been missing this Cena/Bischoff promo watching the derby. What is going on?

[Kane Knight]

Dirty Jersey?

[Face Heely]

*marks out for Dirty Jerzeeeee*

[Sepholio]

JERICHO AGAIN! He is the new HHH :P

[Azriel]

The Ayatollah of Rock-and-Rollah is back in the house

[The Answer]

Jericho again.... When is the last time that happened?

[Azriel]

Big shocker there! :roll:

[The Answer]

Wow, a push for Jericho :wtf: