Lost: Season 3

[wwe2222]

everyone catch the jewelery store lady in the picture on the monks desk?

[Reavant]

if thats true, you are one observant mother fucker

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah I caught that. Picture looked pretty superimposed. Good ep. Desmond = ratings. Kate almost naked = :y: Everything else dealing with Kate = :n:

[LaLa]

I'm excited for next weeks episode, I wonder who that woman is and what will happen to Sun? I think Sun will kidnapped by the others when they invade so that they can study her.

[Avenger]

Great episode. Who the fuck was that at the end?

[Jon Kano]

OK so I was told that if you watch the Pilot episode, you can see the smoke monster fly past the turbine. You can get the clip and it in slow motion on YouTube and it blatantly is!!!!!

In the real footage it looks like it 'could just be' a piece of debris, but even in the slow version, its a figure that doesn't simply fly past from the course of an explosion, it swoops down then up as if it is controlling where it goes. Here is a gif with the colours altered to it can be seen better.

Maybe Desmond didn't bring the plane down, maybe it was the monster?

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2955/smoke1208va1.gif

[Impact!]

Even if it's not true, that looks pretty cool

[Jon Kano]

I love the smoke monster. I LITERALLY LOVE IT.

[LaLa]

I don't know that doesn't look like the smoke monster, it just looks like a shadow.

[Jon Kano]

What? A shadow that can not only fly through the air but descend to the ground, pass a turbine and cause it to explode, then ascend back up the the sky. Thats some fucking shadow.

It looks a bit off because the colours have been altered for every cell of the animation so the flying object can be seen better. In the real footage its more darker.

The question still remains, if its not the smoke monster, what is it? It doesn't have a random trajectory. It goes down, then up and causes the turbine to explode. Its gotta be the monster.

[Dave Youell]

Has anyone re-watched the first ep to make sure that's not been messed with, as it wouldn't be too tough to animate that on the scene.

Until someone can confirm it, I'm calling it bullshit

[Blitz]

That shadow looks way too crappy and way too easy to see to be the smoke monster.

Not saying it's not real, but if it is, it's a pretty shoddy effect.

[Impact!]

I'll check it out now

[Impact!]

Sweet jesus it's there

[Mr Regal]

Interesting!

That episode was pretty good, and i also spotted the old lady in th photo on the Monks desk....interesting, very interesting.

Desmond was a monk! It would have been better if he turned out to be a rabid hulkamaniac, hence calling everyone Brother.

[Reavant]

What? A shadow that can not only fly through the air but descend to the ground, pass a turbine and cause it to explode, then ascend back up the the sky. Thats some fucking shadow.

It looks a bit off because the colours have been altered for every cell of the animation so the flying object can be seen better. In the real footage its more darker.

The question still remains, if its not the smoke monster, what is it? It doesn't have a random trajectory. It goes down, then up and causes the turbine to explode. Its gotta be the monster.
didnt the engin explode cuz some dumb ass let himself get sucked into it?

[Impact!]

Yeah, but you see the cloud fly over as i explodes, I dont think the dude being sucked in would have exploded it

[Avenger]

Interesting

[Jon Kano]

didnt the engin explode cuz some dumb ass let himself get sucked into it?

Yeah that happened to one of them, but this was another one.

[wwe2222]

OK so I was told that if you watch the Pilot episode, you can see the smoke monster fly past the turbine. You can get the clip and it in slow motion on YouTube and it blatantly is!!!!!

In the real footage it looks like it 'could just be' a piece of debris, but even in the slow version, its a figure that doesn't simply fly past from the course of an explosion, it swoops down then up as if it is controlling where it goes. Here is a gif with the colours altered to it can be seen better.

Maybe Desmond didn't bring the plane down, maybe it was the monster?

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2955/smoke1208va1.gif


im pretty sure the producers have stated the monster makes no physical appearance in the pilot episode...and it was due to bad special effects

[Jon Kano]

That shadow looks way too crappy and way too easy to see to be the smoke monster.

Not saying it's not real, but if it is, it's a pretty shoddy effect.

For the third fucking time. THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. The actual footage, the figure of smoke/shade, its harder to see.

[Jon Kano]

im pretty sure the producers have stated the monster makes no physical appearance in the pilot episode...and it was due to bad special effects

Yeah I heard they also put dildos in the jungle randomly while shooting. Anyone can say shit like that fella. Put up a link.

[RoXer]

I was 100% sure that that chick at the end was Sanjaya

[RoXer]

And yeah, the smoke monster in the pilot has been talked about before we even knew that it was a smoke monster.

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah I heard they also put dildos in the jungle

Hey, if it involved Kate I'd be all for that.

[wwe2222]

Yeah I heard they also put dildos in the jungle randomly while shooting. Anyone can say shit like that fella. Put up a link.

nice response douchebag...

yeah im really trying to trick you by making that up

I read that months ago, I dont remember where the hell it was from

[wwe2222]

here...this is one link I found that mentions it

http://lost.cubit.net/indexView.php?id=498

[Jon Kano]

See how hard was that?

Again, its not that conclusive. Unless I see it on the Fuselage or something, or the episode that concludes otherwise, its all fanbased theory.

I just think the excuse 'an effect gone wrong' is false, since so much money, time and talent goes into the show, they wouldn't include it if they were not happy with it or what it would resonate in the future.

Like I said, its a controlled entity, a piece of debris wouldn;t fly/fall like that.

[Impact!]

Yeah that happened to one of them, but this was another one.
No, it's the same one

[Avenger]

Yeah I heard they also put dildos in the jungle randomly while shooting. Anyone can say shit like that fella. Put up a link.Do not bring your aggressive whiney ass shit into this thread. It's the on reasonable thread without it.

[Avenger]

See how hard was that?

Again, its not that conclusive. Unless I see it on the Fuselage or something, or the episode that concludes otherwise, its all fanbased theory.

I just think the excuse 'an effect gone wrong' is false, since so much money, time and talent goes into the show, they wouldn't include it if they were not happy with it or what it would resonate in the future.

Like I said, its a controlled entity, a piece of debris wouldn;t fly/fall like that.1) The theory that that is the monster is also fan-based as the producers have said nothing about it

2) This is most likely to have happened as it was in a pilot episode which is usually rushed and careless

3) They make it up AS THEY GO ALONG! Think they planned as far back as the first ep that the monster was black smoke?

4) LOL Lost isn't real!

[Jon Kano]

1) The theory that that is the monster is also fan-based as the producers have said nothing about it

2) This is most likely to have happened as it was in a pilot episode which is usually rushed and careless

3) They make it up AS THEY GO ALONG! Think they planned as far back as the first ep that the monster was black smoke?

4) LOL Lost isn't real!

1: True. But its still there. Still what could be considered a smoke cloud is seen dipping through the air and rising.

2: Rushed? Careless? maybe but still, if they are going to spend between $10m and $14m on the pilot alone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_%28Lost%29, they wouldn't of left it in there by mistake.

3) Yeah I heard they make up SOME elements as they go along, but due to the time spean in the show, the character connections, story arcs etc, I don't think they improvise as much as you have been lead to believe. I dunno if they thought about the black smoke since the beginning. I read the screenplay for the pilot where the monster was introduced, it described the monster as 'part mechanical, part biological and part gas/airborne' the gas/airborne wording wasn't that exactly I just can't remember. But I'm pretty sure they, from the beginning, they were not going to reveal its appearance.

4) Shut it!, shit?, really?

[Avenger]

I read the screenplay for the pilot where the monster was introduced, it described the monster as 'part mechanical, part biological and part gas/airborne' the gas/airborne wording wasn't that exactly I just can't remember.

Yeah I heard they also put dildos in the jungle randomly while shooting. Anyone can say shit like that fella. Put up a link.

[Avenger]

:)

[Avenger]

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[Avenger]

And by the way the changing of the story arc every week with a flashback is at the same time lazy and a stroke of genius. I don't know what to think of the Lost writers.

[XL]

Yeah I heard they make up SOME elements as they go along, but due to the time span in the show, the character connections, story arcs etc, I don't think they improvise as much as you have been lead to believe.
I think they improvise quite a lot actually.

Jack was supposed to die in the pilot. Surely they would have mapped out the entire idea before the pilot. So at some point they decided to keep Jack on AND make him the central character. Surely that meant a lot of replanning.

Ben was scheduled to appear in 4 Season 2 episodes until they liked the performance and character and kept him on. Suddenly he is the would-be leader of The Others and the central point of Season 3. So once again a change to the planned plot.

Libby and Ana Lucia were killed off due to the actresses that played them getting in trouble with the law (according to rumour). Surely they would have played bigger roles. The same was rumoured for Eko.

The whole thing with Walt seemed to take them by suprise. The oversight that the actor was aging faster than the character led to Michael and Walt being written out of the show.

It's rumoured that Nikki and Paulo were set to play bigger roles but were killed off due to public dislike of the characters.


Seems that they DO change and switch things. Seems that quite a few things are made up on the fly to me. Still...brilliant show!

[Avenger]

:y: Exactly.

[wwe2222]

Mostly alot of the larger ideas were worked out...crash on an island that is mysterious, there is some band of others, there will be a hatch, etc...but over the course of writing it, they had to figure out who the main players would be and who would fit into where.

They can still retain the ideas while changing the interactions between the characters.

And yes Jack was supposed to die in the pilot episode, but that was well before they had really cast anyone, so its not like that was a last minute "oh hes good lets keep him"

Also, the actor who played Walt didnt want to be on the show anymore. Niether did Mr. Eko, who even requested they kill him off earlier than planned.

The biggest change the story they made I think is Nikki and Paolo. But luckily they cut the chord on them before they really got invovled.

[Avenger]

Walt and Eko are bastards. Why would you not want to be on the biggest TV show in the world and live permanently in Hawaii? lol

[XL]

Mostly alot of the larger ideas were worked out...crash on an island that is mysterious, there is some band of others, there will be a hatch, etc...but over the course of writing it, they had to figure out who the main players would be and who would fit into where.

They can still retain the ideas while changing the interactions between the characters.
I agree with that 100% but the guy I was responding to said that the character connections etc were planned. At least I think that's what he was trying to say.

Additonally it's the "tying together" that we're talking about. Shit, the outline could be as simple as you say above but at the end of the day it's about how these majot events are driven by the characters and the events that happen in their lives both prior to and since arriving on the island.

And yes Jack was supposed to die in the pilot episode, but that was well before they had really cast anyone, so its not like that was a last minute "oh hes good lets keep him"
I didn't say that it was a last minute decision. I fully expect that they had very little planned out past the pilot as, as far as I am aware, the show could have been pulled after the pilot.

And I notice you didn't have a come back for the use of Ben (which was my main point really).

Also, the actor who played Walt didnt want to be on the show anymore. Niether did Mr. Eko, who even requested they kill him off earlier than planned.
As I said (especially in regards to Eko) they were rumours. One of the other rumours was that the kid that played Walt was home sick and wanted to go home and that in true AAA style he didn't wanna stick around on a show too long.

The biggest change the story they made I think is Nikki and Paolo. But luckily they cut the chord on them before they really got invovled.
But the producers could easily claim that that was their plan for them all along. I think N&P were bought in (at least in part) due to the loss of Ana Lucia, Libby and Eko. Once people disagreed with the way they were bought in and the portrayal of the character "The Powers That Be" decided to drop them.

Here's one I forgot...

Apparently once Desmond had ran off after leaving The Swan that was it for him. Due to his popularity he was brought back. Now he has this link with the island and has become one of the integral characters. How's that for an "on the fly" change of ideas?

[XL]

Walt and Eko are bastards. Why would you not want to be on the biggest TV show in the world and live permanently in Hawaii? lol
AAA was the same with OZ. By all accounts he doesn't like being stuck on a show for too long. It seems, as did the producers of Oz, that the Lost producers managed to keep him a little longer than he wanted to stay anyway.

As for Walt, the guy's young and I dunno if his folks were there with him or not and due to the problem with him aging faster than the character I think the producers were happy to let him go rather than find a way to address the issue later on in the show.

[wwe2222]

I agree with that 100% but the guy I was responding to said that the character connections etc were planned. At least I think that's what he was trying to say.

Additonally it's the "tying together" that we're talking about. Shit, the outline could be as simple as you say above but at the end of the day it's about how these majot events are driven by the characters and the events that happen in their lives both prior to and since arriving on the island.


I didn't say that it was a last minute decision. I fully expect that they had very little planned out past the pilot as, as far as I am aware, the show could have been pulled after the pilot.

And I notice you didn't have a come back for the use of Ben (which was my main point really).


As I said (especially in regards to Eko) they were rumours. One of the other rumours was that the kid that played Walt was home sick and wanted to go home and that in true AAA style he didn't wanna stick around on a show too long.


But the producers could easily claim that that was their plan for them all along. I think N&P were bought in (at least in part) due to the loss of Ana Lucia, Libby and Eko. Once people disagreed with the way they were bought in and the portrayal of the character "The Powers That Be" decided to drop them.

Here's one I forgot...

Apparently once Desmond had ran off after leaving The Swan that was it for him. Due to his popularity he was brought back. Now he has this link with the island and has become one of the integral characters. How's that for an "on the fly" change of ideas?

I never said they dont make on the fly changes...I just dont think alot of the on the fly changes affect the outcome of the show that dramatically...they knew there was going to be some kind of ben character leading the others, and they decided that the henry gale character should be it...again the same with Desmond...they may have decided that there would be a character would gain these powers and enjoyed Harry Ian Cusicks performance and decided that would be the guy...the overall story arc isnt changing, its just being filled in according to who they feel as the strongest players.

[Jon Kano]

LOL ok fair point Avenger. But then you can't say shit either, where is your proof that certain elements are not planned, they write 'on the spot' ey? lol everyone is quilty of this 'i read/heard/think because of...' bullshit.

Avenger, you said

......Also I love this show but if you are idiotic enough to believe that the character connections and story arcs were planned from the beginning you are more stupid than I thought . They make it up as they go along!

In response........


"In an address to "Casa del Cinema di Roma" in Italy, Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof) announced that he and JJ Abrams (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/JJ_Abrams) had initially conceived the LOST story-arc in 4 seasons. If ABC were to continue with Lost for a 5th season, both Lindelof and Abrams would possibly leave. [6] (http://www.tvblog.it/post/2524/lost-solo-quattro-stagioni) (source in Italian). "

http://www.tvblog.it/post/2524/lost-solo-quattro-stagioni


- So there you have it, what I said is valid. In that planned 4 season arc, they have what will happen, who with and what it all means - as an initial idea, which is the opposite to what you think. That is a pre-planned big idea/plan, ok. Think its safe to assume that ideas and devices to tell the story of lost and its characters do have a core-plan, but like most things, they can/may get altered on the way.

I have also read certain elements and pieces are changed/made as they go along. What was trying to suggest, and will now is that there is a definate core story that the creators have in mind. With all the money and focus the show has, I doubt the network/production companies would be very content with such a high-profile show being a work of ideas and plans that are decided on the day of shooting on on the spot. Not to mention the obvious logistical and practical reasons of filming locations and what not.

[Avenger]

Dunno man that's all pretty in-depth. Just watch the show, enjoy it, then shut up. :)

[Jon Kano]

Whats pretty in-depth? - the 4 story arc thing? wtf?

I do watch the show, and I enjoy it very much cheers. With regards to the shut-up?...No. The hell are these 8 pages for if we can't discuss?

[Avenger]

lol

[Jon Kano]

<----- see avatar

[Avenger]

done

[Jon Kano]

But is it?

[XL]

Huh!?

Obviously a lot of what we have said (Avenger, wwe222, Kano and myself) is speculation and rumour and third hand knowledge.

That's what makes a show like Lost so interesting.

Personally I hope they do have a plan for every thread of the story. For the whole mythology, for each character and how it all ties together.

However, there are indicators that perhaps my whole hearted hope is unfounded.

Regardless it's a stupid argument to be having between fans of the show.

Who cares if we think that some of it is made up on the spot. Who cares if you believe it's all written out neatly for each and every character?

Let's just stop the stoopid bickering and enjoy and discuss the actual show!

Peace & Love, my friends, Peace & Love!

[wwe2222]

Huh!?

Obviously a lot of what we have said (Avenger, wwe222, Kano and myself) is speculation and rumour and third hand knowledge.

That's what makes a show like Lost so interesting.

Personally I hope they do have a plan for every thread of the story. For the whole mythology, for each character and how it all ties together.

However, there are indicators that perhaps my whole hearted hope is unfounded.

Regardless it's a stupid argument to be having between fans of the show.

Who cares if we think that some of it is made up on the spot. Who cares if you believe it's all written out neatly for each and every character?

Let's just stop the stoopid bickering and enjoy and discuss the actual show!

Peace & Love, my friends, Peace & Love!

i was trying to put the thumbs up icon, but its not working...but thumbs up

[Jon Kano]

Yeah I agree. But I am not the one calling someone an idiot for having an opposing opinion, then being proven wrong by that idiot.

I would probably lose respect, yet consider them extremly lucky if they didn't have a plan/idea/story from the get go since there are going to be some killer revelations, especially the overall 'what is the island' aspect.

[Reavant]

christ guys just enjoy the fucking show!

[Avenger]

Yeah I agree. But I am not the one calling someone an idiot for having an opposing opinion, then being proven wrong by that idiot.

I would probably lose respect, yet consider them extremly lucky if they didn't have a plan/idea/story from the get go since there are going to be some killer revelations, especially the overall 'what is the island' aspect.idiot

[Avenger]

nahhhhhh jk BTW

[Downunder]

See how hard was that?

Again, its not that conclusive. Unless I see it on the Fuselage or something, or the episode that concludes otherwise, its all fanbased theory.

I just think the excuse 'an effect gone wrong' is false, since so much money, time and talent goes into the show, they wouldn't include it if they were not happy with it or what it would resonate in the future.

Like I said, its a controlled entity, a piece of debris wouldn;t fly/fall like that.


Revealing mistakes: When Hurley is making his mad rush for his plane he clearly and visibly runs past a doorway with the word "Kamehameha" visible at the top. Most of the airport footage is apparently shot at the convention center in Oahu. Roberts Hawaii buses are also very noticeable within shots in the background.


How did they miss that?

[Jon Kano]

I don't know, I'm not a crew member.

The post you quoted me on, I'm talking about a possible plot device. IF it is the black smoke monster flying past the engine, even if it isn't they could say it was, it relates to plot/story possibilities. It is very unlikely, while the special effects team are working on and going over each frame for effects that they would forget or put it in for no reason.

The fact that there is a continuity/location error, well I would assume thats a fault down to either the director, script supervisor, and/or location manager. I guess Abrams and Lindelof were in the writing room that day.

[Downunder]

My point is mistakes are made in movies and tv all the time, rather than it being a (very) subtle hint at some deeper storyline, it's is more likely a mistake. It's a little like 11/9 conspiracy theories, some people will believe anything.

But I do have the 1st epoisode on dvd so I'll have a look at it frame by frame, and in real time because the images posted here it looks like something more solid that the smoke monster.

But then stranger things have happened on this show.

[Avenger]

I hate Kate. Just throwing that out there. :y:

[Downunder]

She looks good in her underwear tho'

[Jon Kano]

I get what you are saying, and what I am realising is that it can go both ways, I guess I'm just more inclined to go with it being the monster since LOST has a way of making you think one thing for what seems like an eternity, then BHAM!, its a totally different answer. In this case everyone will suggest that Desmond was responsible for the crash.....but in time BHAM!, its the monster, or whatever/if something controls it.

If I were to criticise my suggestion in relation to your last point, I would say thats its NOT as solid as the smoke monster. Its pure thick black smoke, its only really transparent when it analysed Eko. RIP Eko


Quite hot for Juliet yinno. Shes a babe.

[wwe2222]

Quite hot for Juliet yinno. Shes a babe.

Juliette is a babe...i didnt realize until recently she was the other girl in the lesbian scene with Angelina Jolie in Gia

[Jon Kano]

Was anyone else hoping something of the lesbos ethos was gonna happen when her and Kate were scrapping/covered in mud?

Only seen pics of her in Gia, waaaay hot :yes:

[wwe2222]

Was anyone else hoping something of the lesbos ethos was gonna happen when her and Kate were scrapping/covered in mud?

Only seen pics of her in Gia, waaaay hot :yes:

in case you wanted to watch it...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/140718/angelina_jolie_and_elizabeth_mitchell/

[Jon Kano]

in case you wanted to watch it...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/140718/angelina_jolie_and_elizabeth_mitchell/

HA HA awesome :y:

[Avenger]

haught

[Dave Youell]

With regards to the earlier discussion.

I think the writers and producers have a beginning, middle and end to the show, and idea's on what to do with certain key characters at certain times, but I also think they have to think on the fly sometimes as well.

So I fully expect that they had a finish before they started this and knew generally how they were going to get there, they just have to change the path they were on to get to the finish.

Oh and if this end's in peace, I'm going to start cutting people.

[Downunder]

*************WARNING SPOILERS**********


this is how it will end (according to Me.com)

The people on the beach will eventually have a massive battle with "the others", taking the fight right up to them and eventually winning. Then the people on the beach willtake over the habitat where the others have been living, Jack will assume the role of leader and will become more like Ben, manipulating his "followers" in the name of medical science. This time a ship will run aground on the island, get destroyed by fire (or that flying thing in the first episode that caused the planes engine to explode), and a whole new group of people will be LOST!

[Jon Kano]

Are you serious? I don't mean that in a pisstake way, I mean it, it that your real theory? Its not half bad, just dunno about the Losties becomming like The Others. I also think there will be a showdown, but at the end of this season.

[ClockShot]

ONE EYED WILLY LIVES!!!!

Shocker. I figured that fence would do jack diddly. :roll:

[Jon Kano]

I fuckin knew it.

[Downunder]

Are you serious? I don't mean that in a pisstake way, I mean it, it that your real theory? Its not half bad, just dunno about the Losties becomming like The Others. I also think there will be a showdown, but at the end of this season.


Na not serious, that ws off the top of my head - I was typing it as I was thinking it.

But it doesn't totally suck as an idea....

[Bazooka]

don't rule anything out on Lost, it is easy to see these possibilites (they're all dead, they're being staged), nothing is certain until the viewers are. Anyway, looks pretty intense next week with Locke trying to get Sawyer to kill his dad (who he says is Ben). Locke is with the Others, he doesn't want to leave and neither does Ben.

Lost is def my favourite show right now (sorry 24 is losing momentum).

[RBM]

Honestly, the fact that Jin roundhouse kicks a guy is reason enough to watch this episode.

A couple of genuine "what the fuck?" moments in this one. An ending that will get everyone riled up I think. Also, I think Jin/Sun's flashbacks are the best in the show and once again my opinion was validated tonight.

2 great actors with interesting characters thrown to the background all too often and then they really shine when it's their flashback turn.

Very good ep tonight.

[Dragon]

Good episode tonight. Not sure what to expect these last couple of episodes.

[ClockShot]

Pretty good episode tonight.

Hot pilot. Anybody catch her name in the credits?

YOU GO JIN!

I figured that Sun's dad was Yakuza. Instead he's just a car maker. Funny since Toyota is kicking ass right now.

I also had Sun going back in the lab and catching what Juliet said on the recorder.

And that shit about the plane being found and everyone being dead. I hope they don't go that way. Everybody is in purgatory or something.

Next week: JOHN LOCKE RETURNS!

[RBM]

I think you might've missed that bit about Sun takling to her father and saying that she'll continue to pretend that she doesn't know what he really does. He's a little more than a car company owner.

The producers have stated many times that it's not purgatory. Gotta be a different plotline here. Should be interesting with the handful of eps we have left for the season.

[Jon Kano]

OK two things before I 'get lost' and go to bed, GET IT?!?!

The producers have ruled out that they are in purgatory, which in turn would mean they are not dead. I don't have the link or time on hand but go to the lost page on wiki or Lostpedia.com and there are links to interviews and podcasts that prove all the dicredited theories from the creators.

I seriously think Naomi was sent by Penny.

[Boondock Saint]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff @ the ending. This show is such a mindfuck I love it.

Mikhail being alive is awesome too since I thought he was a cool character.

Jin roundhousing Mikhail. :cool:

[Boondock Saint]

next week with Locke trying to get Sawyer to kill his dad (who he says is Ben).

I think Locke tells Sawyer that Anthony Cooper (the guy that conned Locke and pushed him out the window/was tied up in the room on the island) is Sawyer's dad. They both hate the guy for what he's done to them so it would make sense.

[Shaggy]

I really didnt care for tonights episode...

It was cool to see some of the things go down but other than it was pretty boring. I always have found the Sun and Jin flashbacks not that great.

[Blitz]

Hot ending. Hot episode. Mikhail :love:

Also new chick is hot. Actresses name is Marsha Thomason.

[XL]

I think Locke tells Sawyer that Anthony Cooper (the guy that conned Locke and pushed him out the window/was tied up in the room on the island) is Sawyer's dad. They both hate the guy for what he's done to them so it would make sense.
However, as far as we know Cooper IS NOT Sawyer's dad. In fact the common belief is that Cooper is the original Sawyer. The guy that conned 815 Sawyer's parents and lead to Mr Ford (815 Sawyer's dad) killing his wife (815 Sawyer's mom) before commiting suicide.

Cooper is believed to be the guy that James Ford took his name from. The guy he is tracking down in an attempt to kill him.

[wwe2222]

However, as far as we know Cooper IS NOT Sawyer's dad. In fact the common belief is that Cooper is the original Sawyer. The guy that conned 815 Sawyer's parents and lead to Mr Ford (815 Sawyer's dad) killing his wife (815 Sawyer's mom) before commiting suicide.

Cooper is believed to be the guy that James Ford took his name from. The guy he is tracking down in an attempt to kill him.

that is correct...Sawyer isnt looking for his father...hes looking for the man that tricked his mom into having an affair and giving him money, which led to Sawyer's father killing her and then committing suicide.

[Boondock Saint]

You are correct, sir.

[Avenger]

Yep. A lot of people get confused about that aswell. Kinda important to clear that up :y:

[Rob]

I think it's bye bye for Locke in the finale.

[Avenger]

why'sy?

[RBM]

Spoiler warning, just to be nice.















TV Guide is saying at least 5 people die by seasons end.

[Blitz]

Another spoiler, in black text, more for the season finale, and maybe next season as well: The survivors will supposedly be split into 2 groups, one led by Jack, and the other by either Locke or Sawyer.

[Jon Kano]

Yeah but that doesn't exclude the split being on a unified front. Even if it is, it could be part of a plan.

[Dave Youell]

They ain't dead, if the others are as powerful outside the island as we are led to believe, they could of done a cover up with another plane with no survivors.

And I don't really enjoy the Sun/Jin story lines, and I thought that was going to be the end of the flashbacks, but then I realized that cos Jun has told Juliette she cheated on Jin, she could use that in the future, maybe to get Sun to do some research or she'll blab type thing.

So it looks like people are super fertile on the island, so Kate could be pregnant as well.

And I do like the whole is Jack working with the others thing...

[Avenger]

Split on a unified front?? What do you mean?

[Dave Youell]

Split on a unified front?? What do you mean?
Like the normal Nazi's and the SS

Both have the same goal

DESTROY THE JEWS!

[Avenger]

lol.

[Jon Kano]

I mean there is talk of a split, lead by Jack/Sawyer, and the people I talk with on another LOST board, they seem to think that immediately means Jack or Sawyer are split because they have a different idea/plan for survival and go 'their own way'.

But what I am saying it could just be two groups who take on the Others in two different ways, or give the impression to the Others they are no longer a unified big group.

[Smitty]

Bermuda Triangle? That's my only theory thus far for all of the supernatural shit happening.

[Jon Kano]

They could bring in the Vile Vortices, Im sure if you do a wiki on VILE VORTICES it will come up with something, but I read that there are like 7 around the world and the Bermuda Triangle is one of them.

[Avenger]

... the people I talk with on another LOST board ...LOL

[XL]

I'm really getting back into Lost again as we reach the season finale.

Don't get me wrong I'm always up early on a Thursday to start the torrent so that I have a nice new episode to watch after work but some of this season has fallen pretty flat.

Went and got the 1st season box set yesterday (only £30!!) so I can rewatch the first season once this one is done with.

TBH I'm thinking past this episiode and towards the one with Ben flashbacks and the finale.

[Jon Kano]

LOL

?

[RBM]

He's saying you're a dork.

Granted, I have browsed The Fuselage a few times, but most people on Lost specific boards are teenage girls that call themselves Jaters (Jack + Kate) and Skaters (Sawyer + Kate) and I'm pretty sure Jesus cries every time they type something. I don't know why you would ever sign up and interact with them.

[Reavant]

im a laters.... lock and kate..... or a saiock... saieed and lock... cuz im like that

[Jon Kano]

I am familair with those terms, which I saw on the Channel 4 website. I used to go on the Fuselage, but I post on www.losttheories.com (http://www.losttheories.com) which is pretty heavy stuff on philosophy, and what not, not to mention the people there have a good understanding on writing scripts like me, so I like it.

Avanger can suck my lost cock.

[Avenger]

lol

[Impact!]

ROFL

[Impact!]

That's gettin sig'd

[Jon Kano]

lol u gayboys

[Reavant]

INTENSE

[Jon Kano]

FUCK man, its 3:30am and I wanna watch it now. Usually they upload it for streaming on the site I go on in the day (Thursday) but I want it now!!!

Anyone got a site it would be up on now? Gonna check Dailymotion.com first.

[Reavant]

so basically theyre in hevean/hell/purgatory... sweet

[Reavant]

DAMN!

[Jon Kano]

No way! Thats too predictable and I read on wiki that was one of the theories the writers shot-down. NO I don't like it. Theres gotta be a lie or falseness to whoever hinted this, I'm lookin at Naomi, did it come from her the conclusion you have?

[DS]

I started watching the episode about half way through but wow. I really hope that they aren't in Hell or anything along those lines.

[DS]

The Hell situation has been hinted at by her and, even more specifically, Locke's father.

[Jon Kano]

And the smoke monster, its always been hinted its the CEREBUS SYSTEM in the latin writing on the blast door map. CEREBUS of course being guradian of hell (the underworld), French lady also called it a 'security system', and that it protects/is guarding something. And the Egyptian symbols that appeared on the countdown timer at the end of season two, they translate as 'The Underworld'.

Fuck I will not like this if they go down the Hell route.

[ClockShot]

Damn fine episode tonight.

Sawyer/James finally got his bad ass side back again.

Interesting, Locke seems to like the others.

Marsha Thomason can rescue me any day of the week. :love: :drool:

Leave it to Kate to spill the beans. She's getting one step closer to me wishing she gets offed soon.

Is it just me, or did the Black Rock get a makeover when we last visited it?

God, I really, really, really, really hope they aren't doing this purgatory shit.

Next week: "Undercover" Locke proves himself to Ben.

[Reavant]

Lockes father basically just flat out said theyre in either purgatory or hell

[Reavant]

Leave it to Kate to spill the beans. She's getting one step closer to me wishing she gets offed soon.

.
if by off u mean then have a hardcore sex scene with her where she does everything imaginable then comes through the screen to do it to me then yes.... I agree with u

[wwe2222]

Lockes father basically just flat out said theyre in either purgatory or hell

he didnt know any better...they are not in purgatory or hell!!! the writers are playing on this theory to make people believe that

[Reavant]

dont get me wrong... I dont want it to be either but thats a lot of reinforcing hell in terms of the egyptian symbols and the ceribus system and all that stuff.

[wwe2222]

dont get me wrong... I dont want it to be either but thats a lot of reinforcing hell in terms of the egyptian symbols and the ceribus system and all that stuff.

cause they know people will be like omg god its hell...Lindelof and the other guy have stated numerous times it is not hell or purgatory

[RBM]

This show is heavy on mythology and whatnot.

In a way it's hell. Though not literally, obviously.

[wwe2222]

This show is heavy on mythology and whatnot.

In a way it's hell. Though not literally, obviously.

correct

also...
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Purgatory_%28debunked_theory%29

[Jon Kano]

Yeah I'm just gonna keep the faith, that there is no hell plot gonna happen.

[Jon Kano]

I just remembered back to one of my first theories from season one. I thought with the Black Rock, it being hundreds of years old, the polar bears etc, I had this idea it was an island that was once either a bigger continent and the rest was submerged or an island that could move around the globe collecting artifacts and animals through time and movement. How much it has all changed.

[Bazooka]

pretty sweet episode tonight, wasn't there a theory they are on an alien space ship, lol - at this point that wouldn't be so unbelievable.

[RBM]

Sadly, I have a feeling that no matter what the end game is, no matter what they decide is the point of the island and the ultimate fate of our Losties, it's either going to be too ridiculous for most people or make them go "... that's it?"

It's all the people that are going to be able to sit down and just watch the whole series without prior knowledge and having to try to stop themselves from looking up spoilers that are truly going to see it in all of its brilliance.

[Jon Kano]

I agree RBM, half of me has faith and total interest in what the ultimate answer will be. But I also think that after all the unanswered questions; the smoke monster, the coincidences of characters meeting and being on the plane the same time, the whispers and everything, the answer will be such a let down.

I still wanna know why, Ben, the leader, with a coma, was in the jungle alone and with all his knowlege of the island managed to get caught by Danielle.

[Boondock Saint]

When was Ben in a coma?


Anyways, good episode tonight. Sawyer went bizerk. Juliet's smug little face pisses me off so much. Jack is pissing me off now too. Argh.

No matter what the ending to the show is, there is no way it will live up to expectations so I'm not getting my hopes up.

[wwe2222]

I agree RBM, half of me has faith and total interest in what the ultimate answer will be. But I also think that after all the unanswered questions; the smoke monster, the coincidences of characters meeting and being on the plane the same time, the whispers and everything, the answer will be such a let down.

I still wanna know why, Ben, the leader, with a coma, was in the jungle alone and with all his knowlege of the island managed to get caught by Danielle.

Ben was never in a coma and there is no evidence to support he didnt get himself caught on purpose. As it seems, he really was coming to at least probably talk to Locke. His actions in the hatch were to manipulate Locke, but who knows why.

[wwe2222]

also...I think Juliet has told Jack that Kate is pregnant and the others are going to be coming to them. Jack hasnt told anyone yet so the beach doesnt go into a wide panic

This is why Locke gave the recorder to Sawyer. Ben knows Juliet is gonna turn on him soe Either Ben told John to or manipulted John into doing so...once the beach people hear the recorder, they are going to turn against Jack and Juliet

[Blitz]

Good episode. Really liked Sawyer Senior's line "Well, it's a little hot for heaven."

Shit's getting interesting. I like the way some characters are kinda splitting away from the main group, like Jack and Locke.

Ben flashbacks next week :love:

[Blue Demon]

They seem to finally be going in more of a direction...and maybe they finally have a definite end date, as I read somewhere (can't remember now) that the writers and producers were asking for a series finally date so they had something to aim for, and could start wrapping it up.

[XL]

There not going the purgatory/hell route. If anything it's a double (or I guess triple) bluff.

"Fans reckon it's purgatory, we deny it, then we create the impression that we bluffed them and it actually is purgatory, only for that to turn out to be the bluff and it isn't purgatory at all"

Or is that a quadruple bluff?

[XL]

Anyways, twas a good episode overall but I think next week is where things really start to heat up.

Must agree with the comments above in regards to fans like us that read every bit of detail on the show and essentially ruin our own enjoyment of it.

I'm like it with everything. The whole reason I started downloading season 2 was cos I knew I couldn't wait for C4 to show it over here. But I still read every little spoiler or theory and regret it after.

i think some of it comes from being part of the IWC. You read backstage gossip and rumours and spoilers and it halves your enjoyment yrt you kinda get stuck in it.

Sometimes I wish I could be a mark for everything.

[Jon Kano]

Yeah I dunno why I typed COMA, I meant TUMOUR lol

[Avenger]

God guys stop talking about these theories. If you overthink it you will be disappointed and it will most likely be purgatory or hell btw.

[Jon Kano]

I can't help myself.

[XL]

God guys stop talking about these theories. If you overthink it you will be disappointed and it will most likely be purgatory or hell btw.
It won't be purgatory or hell.

I guarantee it!

[Avenger]

Haha, guys listen the way you are looking at it is this

"It's not going to be purgatory or hell because they are making that too obvious, they are just trying to throw us off the scent"

That's a perfect mindset to have you guys in. You are 100% certain that it will not be purgatory or hell.

Therefore when they do reveal that it is you will be truly shocked.

If not then I'm genuinely looking forward to hearing how the passengers on Flight 815's bodies were found.

But that's enough of this geekiness. Time to go back to the real world and maybe catch Lost next week :y:

[XL]

Therefore when they do reveal that it is you will be truly pissed off.
Fixed

[Avenger]

But why?! It's a really good TV show that has clearly brought you guys many happy hours. Why be pissed off? They will end it the way they've always planned after all! You people just said last week they have planned a story arc from the beginning.

If they still do not know where they are going with this show then the whole substance of it is ridiculous as the plotlines are going nowhere. What about the giant four-toed statue? Explain how that is relevant?

I digress. At the end of the day this has been a brilliant TV show and just because the possible ending that they have planned from the beginning has been figured out does not give you internet "Losties" any right to be pissed off!

Normal viewers like me will not be pissed off because we do not read the spoilers and conspiracy theories -- so whenever the finale happens we will be very content as the show will have run it's course and we will finally know exactly where they were going with it!

Wouldn't you rather they used the storyline planned from the beginning than change it now and have everything that has happened before mean nothing? All your "clues" and "conspiracies" would be totally without foundation as there was no real reason behind any of them.

If I was a Lost geek it would certainly be purgatory that would make me happy if they had planned it from the beginning. The reason you will hate it and be pissed off is because you have ruined it for yourself. Wise up and get a life. It's just a TV show. You have no right to be pissed off about it!

[XL]

Well I never said I'd be pissed off.

But people will cos the producers have rubbished the idea.

And I know that of course they would rubbish it rather than admit that the fans had guessed already.

Personally I don't see how they can explain some of the stuff away with the purgatory answer. You bring up the Four Toed Statue. How does that fit in with purgatory? Or I am I missing something here?

BTW I'm not disagreeing with you here. I totally agree that the show has been more than enjoyable and that reading theories and spoilers ruins the overall enjoyment of it.

Ok. Avenger, I vow from now on that I will join you on the "watch it as a normal fan for enjoyment and don't be a geek and look at spoilers etc" boat.

I know I'll enjoy it more.

But then how would I be able to post here cos spoilers and theories are discussed here!?

BTW that wasn't bitchy or sacrastic. I really am gonna stop going on the IMBD message boards and reading all the stuff on the DarkUFO blog. :y:

[Avenger]

Good work. Come over to my side. Where TV is there for recreational purposes. Not to make your head hurt or force you to spend more pointless time on the shitty internet.

[Boondock Saint]

If not then I'm genuinely looking forward to hearing how the passengers on Flight 815's bodies were found.


I dunno. From what they hinted at this week, the bodies were not actually recovered. Naomi said they sent down robots and shit and all the bodies were accounted for.

[Avenger]

good point actually

[Shaggy]

I know they have shot down the whole "they are all dead and in Purgatory or hell" storyline tons of times on the podcast and in interviews....but you know its not like they are gonna come out during the middle of seaon 2 and tell you the biggest shocker of the whole show. That would cause people to stop watching.

My guess is that they have decided to go down that line....perhaps they just didnt know where to go at a certain point and they just said..,"what the hell?"

[DS]

They are going to be ending Lost after 2 more seasons.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=75ed77ee-1972-467a-8f4e-b11e4b6a1259

[Boondock Saint]

Sounds good to me. I remember the writers saying 5 seasons was their anticipated ending point, anyway.

[Blitz]

'tis official. 3 more seasons. 16 episodes each.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32555

[Boondock Saint]

:y:

[Shaggy]

3 more seasons...and its over

[Dave Youell]

I really wanted it to end after the next season, but I guess if the final 3 seasons are going to be shorter that would be better, less fillers.

As for everyone talking about theories on what's happening, I try not to dwell on it as I did that waaaay too much with The Matrix and ended up bitterly disappointed, I'm just enjoying it for what it is.

As for the 815 guys being dead, I still think that Darma could of staged all that.

[Mr Regal]

They are not dead. The others have been travelling too and from the island and are in touch with the outside world.

I dont' know what is going on, but they are definitely not dead.

[Jon Kano]

Pretty conclusive that Michael and Walt never found rescue, I bet they will reveal the Others simply re-captured them with the sub, or the sail-boat.

I mean if Michael was to make it back home and tell people about the Island like Ben suggested (they wouldn't be able to find it), it would kinda fuck up their 'cover' if they staged the plane crash in the ocean.

[Dave Youell]

Pretty conclusive that Michael and Walt never found rescue, I bet they will reveal the Others simply re-captured them with the sub, or the sail-boat.

I mean if Michael was to make it back home and tell people about the Island like Ben suggested (they wouldn't be able to find it), it would kinda fuck up their 'cover' if they staged the plane crash in the ocean.
Nah, I reckon the purple light fucked up his compass and they are just going round in circles like Desmond was.

Although I know the kid who plays Walt doesn't want to do it anymore, plus he's aging too fast for the show

[wwe2222]

Pretty conclusive that Michael and Walt never found rescue, I bet they will reveal the Others simply re-captured them with the sub, or the sail-boat.

I mean if Michael was to make it back home and tell people about the Island like Ben suggested (they wouldn't be able to find it), it would kinda fuck up their 'cover' if they staged the plane crash in the ocean.

Michael and Walt probably wont even say anything to anyone about the island...though it will be strange when they pop up as alive...also, I think Michael/Walt is going to be dealt with Season 4

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_%27Lost%27_Podcast/October_03%2C_2006

also, regarding Michael, something I never picked up on...

* Michael is the only designated archangel in the Bible. He is also known as the great prince. At the time of the Apocolypse, he will rescue everyone whose name is written in the book, a possible reference to Jacob's list.
o He appears in a vision of the prophet Daniel while the Israelites are enslaved in Babylon.
o He also leads a battle in the Book of Revelation.
o His is the only Lost character with a Biblical name that appears in both the Old and New Testament.
o His catch phrase is any variation of "They took my son" and he regularly follows the phrase by resolving "to get him back".

[Reavant]

They are not dead. The others have been travelling too and from the island and are in touch with the outside world.

I dont' know what is going on, but they are definitely not dead.theres no conclusive evidence that they travel back and fourth from the island. They have only showed people going to it. Ben has never been off the island.

[Lock Jaw]

Ethan was off the island in Juliet's flashback... and he was definitley acting as if he had been there before and not going for the first time too.

[XL]

I was pretty much stone wall against them doing the hell / purgatory storyline as I don't think it covers a lot of the stuff that happens.

But Avenger was pretty adament it would be, so if he or anyone could try explaining how some of these things fit into the purgatory storyline I'd be very appreciative...

The Giant Four Toed Statue
The food drops
The "fact" that the island (or at least Desmond) has been traced by Penny's guys
Mikhail returning from the dead yet all other dead characters remein dead.
etc

[RBM]

Reading TV Guide once again, they asked the producers the question about purgatory once again for the 8 millionth time, and the producers said ONCE AGAIN that it's not purgatory, despite people wanting to think so after the last couple of episodes.

They are NOT dead. 100% not dead.

[Jon Kano]

[quote=wwe2222]

* Michael is the only designated archangel in the Bible. He is also known as the great prince. At the time of the Apocolypse, he will rescue everyone whose name is written in the book, a possible reference to Jacob's list.
o He appears in a vision of the prophet Daniel while the Israelites are enslaved in Babylon.
[\quote]

Awesome, maybe he will come back to save the day at some point after season 3. I have read on Lostpedia.com that he is in negotiations to schedule a working date for next years filming.

The creators have also said the aging of Walt would be adressed at the end of season 3, this could still happen with a revelation about the island and its implications with children/aging and time.

Cannot wait until thurs when i can d/l this weeks ep. Has anyone seen the trailer? Its gonna explain the start of Dharma, I saw a big Dharma sign with people walking under it with the name NAMASTE or something on it, saw a guy wearing a boiler suite with ROGER WORK MAN on it. Theories I have read suggest this Roger bloke is Ben's father, but I dunno.

And another thing on Locke, I had a feeling from early in 2nd season at some point he would switch sides, well even though he hasn't totally, I hope he fucks Ben off cus it looks like he could be more powerful and influential than him. Just hope he doesn't go all Colonel Kurtz on everyone.

[Avenger]

To be fair explaining Dharma should be pretty cool :y:

And for the record I don't want it to be purgatory, I just have a sneaking suspicion they will swerve your asses.

[XL]

I simply cannot wait for tonights episode.

At least it finally gives me one thing to be jealous of you Yanks...I'll have to wait til I finish work tomorrow to watch it!!

[XL]

And for the record I don't want it to be purgatory, I just have a sneaking suspicion they will swerve your asses.
So, you have to make a bet...

Is it gonna be purgatory or not?

I'm willing to put money on this if we must! ;)

[Jon Kano]

I am willing to bet money that it will NOT be purgatory.

[XL]

Sorry Jonny but that's what I'm betting.

I need someone that will bet that it IS purgatory!

[Reavant]

Ethan was off the island in Juliet's flashback... and he was definitley acting as if he had been there before and not going for the first time too.right but you never saw him leave the island and he never said hed been there before

[Boondock Saint]

Can't fucking wait for tonight. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

[Jon Kano]

I am jelous.

[Reavant]

where do i go to download the episodes cuz im going to miss tonights

[XL]

Can't fucking wait for tomorrow night. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO
:(

[XL]

where do i go to download the episodes cuz im going to miss tonights
I use torrents from thepitarebay.org (http://www.thepitarebay.org) or www.torrentspy.com (http://www.torrentspy.com) but you can check out www.dailymotion.com (http://www.dailymotion.com) or www.tv-links.co.uk (http://www.tv-links.co.uk) both of those last ones are streamed vids that are updated pretty quick.

[DS]

I have no idea what is going on now. I like it though.

[DS]

:(

[RBM]

Holyyyyyy shit. Amazing episode tonight. Some genuinely fucked up shit.

It's going to be interesting how they are going to explain a particular part of tonights' episode.

[wwe2222]

screen cap of Jacob (or whoever was in the chair)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/dmbwarren/vlcsnap-172911.png

[ClockShot]

NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL CAN TERRY O'QUINN GO OUT LIKE THAT! Someone better fly in and save his ass. Ben's daughter maybe? Or "Jacob"?

Didn't know Ben had a Saddam Hussein complex. That last 10 minutes sent a shiver down my spine.

I guees someone writing just finished reading The Invisible Man or is on a Fantastic 4 kick.

Boring day on the beach this time around. The resident doctor and Comm. officer better get their shit straight.

Next week: We go to war......

On the side. Who the hell did credits for the show? Have my eyes gone bad, or has Jon Gries aged fast? I don't know if that was a good make-up job or what. He looks fucking old now.

[RBM]

LOL @ Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite playing Ben's father. I didn't even catch this until just now.

Kinda wanted to avoid ruining it too much for the non Americans, but uh yeah.... if they were going to kill him, I'm pretty sure we'd have seen him take his last breath before the episode ended.

[ClockShot]

screen cap of Jacob (or whoever was in the chair)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/dmbwarren/vlcsnap-172911.png


Looks sorta like Kris Kristofferson. But that's just a guess.

[wwe2222]

Looks sorta like Kris Kristofferson. But that's just a guess.

looks like locke in a wig

[DS]

The guy has a goatee of sorts that seems to be gray and longer hair. Don't know who it is though.

[Dragon]

Really good episode. Answered some stuff and brought up some new questions. Like why that one guy didn't age at all? Richard I think.

[Reavant]

ok my computer is too shitty for torrents and i cant find the live feed stuff... so can someone at least PM me what happened in the episode

[Blitz]

OMFGGGGGGGGG @ episode. So hot.

Benjamin FUCKING Linus.

[Blitz]

I want more of Richard. Hope he gets a flashback at some point.

[Boondock Saint]

Awesome episode, holy shit.

He better not be dead, he's one of the most interesting characters on the show. But supposedly there will be 4 more deaths by the end of the season, so I guess this could be one of them. I think it would have been shown to be more definite if he was dead, though. Unless he dies by the finale. But I'd like to believe he's far too important a character to kill off. :(

So if that's what happened to the Dharma people...what was with Desmond and Kelvin in the hatch? Why was Kelvin there in the first place if Dharma was gone? Why the hell did the food drop if the purge had already happened? Maybe Dharma attempted to re-establish themselves after?

AHHHHHHHHHHHH mindfuck. Love this show!

[Boondock Saint]

Also LOL @ Locke beating the shit out of Mikhail and Tom and Richard just standing around watching. I like the Mikhail charater a lot and hope he sticks around, but it's pretty damn funny how he gets his ass kicked in every episode he's in.

[Blitz]

Regarding the Locke situation, (spoilers-Pretty sure he's not dead. Besides the fact that he is one of the 2 most important characters on the show (with Jack), I believe that I heard he's in the season finale. 95% sure he's alive)

[Boondock Saint]

Exxxxxxcellent.

[wwe2222]

Awesome episode, holy shit.

He better not be dead, he's one of the most interesting characters on the show. But supposedly there will be 4 more deaths by the end of the season, so I guess this could be one of them. I think it would have been shown to be more definite if he was dead, though. Unless he dies by the finale. But I'd like to believe he's far too important a character to kill off. :(

So if that's what happened to the Dharma people...what was with Desmond and Kelvin in the hatch? Why was Kelvin there in the first place if Dharma was gone? Why the hell did the food drop if the purge had already happened? Maybe Dharma attempted to re-establish themselves after?

AHHHHHHHHHHHH mindfuck. Love this show!

definitely changes my thoughts on the Dharma stuff. I had always assumed Ben was on the island before Dharma, not the other way around. I guess Kelvin was already in the hatch when Ben killed everyone? who knows

[Lock Jaw]

They probably left the people in the hatch alone so they wouldn't have to send one of their own people to keep pushing the button. But Kelvin could have known what happened to the other Dharma people, and that's why he always went out with the biohazard suit on first.

[Shaggy]

This is what I think is gonna happen....Locke wise...

Highlight for spoiler.... -Im betting during the season finale that Locke is gonna show up fine...with out a scratch on him and kill Ben...Ben will ask how he is still alive and he will say that Jacob helped him.

In other news...Im really hoping they finally kill Charlie off because im tired of waiting...we know its gonna happen...im not even gonna be sad when it happens...just happy that its finally freakin over now..

OH...and apparently there is mention that in the final episode this season we are gonna lear why there is only 48 more episodes left...(im guessing that Volcano on the island is gonna errupt)

[Reavant]

That is sick about who the person was that was in the van hurley and Charlie found. I didnt see that coming.

[Shaggy]

That is sick about who the person was that was in the van hurley and Charlie found. I didnt see that coming.

lol...skelator....funny episode that was...

[CharismaInjection]

Here's what I predict will happen in the next episode after viewing the promo:

SPOILERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QHIuR59Zog

Now as we see at the end, Karl comes running from the water as everyone runs at him and Sayid eventually tackles him.

I think it's safe to guess this is after Charlie has swam in and drowned. This is set up as a trick for the audience.

We will assume Charlie has drowned and died, then suddenly, we'll see someone running out from the water. We'll be relieved, Charlie's survived!! The survivors think so too, until we see it's Karl and there's no time to mourn Charlie as Karl makes his announcement.

[Jon Kano]

Although Im leaning more to Jacob saving Locke, I can't quite shake the idea that its not as simple as Jacob being able to heal people like that as he wishes.

If you look where Locke was shot, I just got this feeling that it will be suggested that because he gave his kidney to his father, in a sick weird way thats what will save him as there is no kidney to be fatally wounded. Or something like that.

Also, I don't think Niaomi is really saviour. I think ultimately she is going to be bringing a bad element to the island, for the losties and the others. I got this feeling that the Others, despite what we know and have seen, are actually the good guys.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm thinking Locke has a healing factor like Wolverine does. And it extends beyond him (hence why Ben got better rather quickly after being around him).

[Impact!]

I can't find a torrent for lost...can someone find me one for the latest ep?

[Downunder]

Demoniod have it up mate, take your pick

[RBM]

Can't you foreigners access abc.com? They put up the new episode the next day.

[Jon Kano]

naa, www.tv-links.co.uk (http://www.tv-links.co.uk) is perfect. Good quality, multiple links and plenty of other shows to watch.

[Impact!]

Demoniod have it up mate, take your pick
I checked their n they dont have it...unless I'm thinking it's the wrong ep. Is it ep 19 or 20?

[Avenger]

20 and it's there

[Impact!]

Could you link, I can honoustly not find it =\

[Dave Youell]

A note about spoilers for us Brits and opinions on them.

Personally I don't care about spoilers in this thread as I know not to come on here from Wednesday night onwards. So IMO feel free to spoil away, don't know how others feel.

Awesome ep tonight, don't think we will see Locke till the Finale now to give the impression he's dead. Like that kidney theory though

[Jon Kano]

Yeah I just thought after I saw it, knowing lost you have to examine everything, and when I saw where he was shot I was thinking about how long he would have to live depending on what it hit, then it just came together.

I too don't care about spoliers, I just stay away before I see the new one. Most of the time.

Although I have to admit I gave into temptation for this weeks, as I checked out who dies from that DarkUFO site so I know who dies. I knew 1 of the 3 was going to anway.

[Downunder]

Could you link, I can honoustly not find it =\

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1154405/5993025/

[Impact!]

Thanks Nunder <3

Dunno why I couldn't find it -__-

[Avenger]

Although I have to admit I gave into temptation for this weeks, as I checked out who dies from that DarkUFO site so I know who dies. I knew 1 of the 3 was going to anway.That is the GAYEST thing I have ever heard. WHY would you do that?

[XL]

A note about spoilers for us Brits and opinions on them.

Personally I don't care about spoilers in this thread as I know not to come on here from Wednesday night onwards. So IMO feel free to spoil away, don't know how others feel.

Awesome ep tonight, don't think we will see Locke till the Finale now to give the impression he's dead. Like that kidney theory though
Hmmmmmm

I'm a Brit but I download the new eps the next day (as I have no patience or Sky/cable). Like DY I have no issues about spoilers as I know not to look at this thread til I've seen the episode. It's not like we need a Lost Spoiler thread.

So, I was just wondering Mr Youell...what were you even getting at when you brought this subject up?

[Impact!]

Damn...that ep was fucking epic. Although if Locke goes like that, I will be greatly annoyed -____-, doubt that is it for Locke though. Other than that though pretty solid, and the preview for next weeks ep + upcoming eps looks fucking epic. :y:

[Jon Kano]

That is the GAYEST thing I have ever heard. WHY would you do that?

What is with you and the GAY thing....everything I do is gay to you. The fact is, like SammyG for admitting to the N'sync thing, you cannot ever, ever, EVER call me gay since you were part of that fucking CFED crap, lol now that's the gayest thing I have ever heard, what are you like 11 and socially retarded?....C-FEDDING lol what a fucking crock (of shit).

Anyway, I did it because I KNEW, and so does anyone who can figure the simplest logic out, that ONE of the losties is going to to die, and I just wanted to make sure it was him, but I didn't know all three would be revealed.

It doesnt really ruin anything, as i still don't know why or how and it will most likey come out of nowhere.

[Avenger]

K3

[Blitz]

WELL, just found some big spoilers for the finale. There was a story on Ain't It Cool news about how they received some very detailed spoilers for Lost, but wouldn't post them. But someone went into the talkback section and posted them. That post was then deleted, so I can't copy it verbatim, but I can post the big things I remember. Read at your own risk...

Death: Charlie, Mikhail (Charlie and Mikhail die together. Something about a grenade while Charlie tries to do something somewhere flooded, I think), Pryce (the Other who guarded Sayid, I think Hurley kills him), Tom (killed by Sawyer), Naomi (killed by Locke as she tries to call for help).

The Gamechanger: Is Jack's flashback. In these flashbacks, Jack is suicidal, drinking and drugging heavily. The entire time he is trying to get ahold of someone on the phone. At the end, he finally meets the person he is trying to get a hold of, and it's.......








KATE! We find out that we haven't been watching flashbacks, but a flash FORWARD! Apparently at least Kate and Jack get off the island, and Jack descends into a downward spiral. The episode ends with him telling Kate that they need to go back to the island.

About Locke: Locke is helped out of the mass grave by WALT, who then disappears

About Naomi: Apparently she gets a hold of her rescue ship before Locke kills her. Somehow, it's revealed that Penny has never heard of her, and that the people she called may not be rescuers at all...

INTERESTING STUFF. Whether or not they are actually true, I couldn't tell ya. But they seem quite plausible at least.

[XL]

Hey my fellow Lost loving buddies it's my birthday today and I'm trying to get a 4th shiny green rep dot thing. Do your bes to help.

Thank You

[Dave Youell]

So, I was just wondering Mr Youell...what were you even getting at when you brought this subject up?
Someone said earlier they didn't want to mention spoilers, that's all.

[Avenger]

Hey my fellow Lost loving buddies it's my birthday today and I'm trying to get a 4th shiny green rep dot thing. Do your bes to help.

Thank YouSurely you have better things to do on your birthday?

[Impact!]

Better than tpww? Blasphemy I say

[Dave Youell]

indeed, when I wake up on Xmas morning, this is my first stop

[Impact!]

I was born here on this internet website, and i'll die here on this internet website

[Rob]

No way those hidden spoilers are true especially since the writers already said specifically that one character spoken about would not die.

[Shaggy]

Well....here are the big spoilers for the final two episodes of Lost....and all I can say is WOW!!!!

Spoilers Below...(highlight to read but of course you already knew that)

Also know that I did not type this but copied it from a darkufo website that my cousin sent me....


EP 321 CHARLIE'S FLASHBACKS
Basically, this is another show where they make you think that Charlie's going to die, but then it doesn't happen.

Desmond tells Charlie that he's seen a vision of Charlie's death and that this time it HAS to happen because it's going to cause another of his visions to come true -- one of Claire and her baby being rescued from the island by a helicopter. He tells Charlie that he's going to drown after turning a switch next to a yellow light in a new underwater hatch.

At the same time, Sayid tells Jack that he can't get a rescue signal out on Naomi's phone because Rousseau's old distress call is blocking the signal. He tells Jack that they need to go to a radio tower to turn it off. Juliet, though, tells them that still won't get the signal out because Ben has been blocking all transmissions from the island by a jamming device on an underwater hatch called THE LOOKING GLASS.

They know from Sayid's maps that the hatch is flooded. Charlie volunteers for the suicide missions to swim down there and turn off the signal. After what Desmond's told him, he now knows that this is his destiny.

He swims down to the underwater hatch -- but it isn't flooded! He comes up in a pressurized chamber. He's overjoyed that he doesn't have to die....but discovers that there's TWO CHICKS down there (probably Others) pointing guns at him.

The FLASHBACKS are the five greatest moments in Charlie's life. He saves a stranger being beaten on the street (the stranger is Nadia, Sayid's long-lost love), he shows his Dad he can swim when he's a young kid, he hears YOU ALL EVERYBODY on the radio for the first time, and his brother Liam gives him the DS ring. But his greatest moment is when he met Claire on the beach the first night after the plane crashed on the island. (He writes down these five memories and asks Desmond to give them to Claire after he's gone).

The episode is just okay. Not as good as the last two, it's basically setting things up for the finale. It would've been better if they'd have killed Charlie in it.
Now onto the finale...

Episode 322 FINALE "THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS"

The finale is full of action, a few deaths -- and that huge twist I mentioned earlier.

First, the deaths. A bunch of Others get killed when they try to raid the camp. This includes Friendly, who Sawyer shoots in cold blood -- and also the other new tough guy Other (I think his name is Price) who gets run over by Hurley in the van.

And Charlie FINALLY dies. Thank god. I've always thought he was one of the weaker characters and his death has been threated in so many episodes its about time it finally happened. He unblocks the jamming signal in the underwater station but drowns when Mikhail uses a grenade to blow it up, killing them both. It's a cool death for Charlie. Maybe cooler than he deserves.

Another big moment is when an old favorite of the show returns. Locke is just about to kill himself in the Dharma grave pit that he fell into after Ben shot him when he hears a voice telling him not to. He looks up to see...WALT!! Walt helps him out of the pit and then disappears. No sign of Michael, and there's no explanation about where Walt has been or what happened to him or Michael.

Locke then makes it to the Radio Tower -- and gets there in time to kill Naomi just before she makes the rescue call. He throws a knife straight into her back. Jack can't understand what Locke is doing and tells him that he'll have to shoot him to stop him from making the call himself. Locke threatens to kill Jack, but then backs down.

Jack makes the rescue call -- and someone on the other end answers. The story on the island ends with help on the way. Or maybe not. Ben has told Jack that Naomi and her people aren't who they say they are -- and just before he dies, Charlie sees a transmission in the underwater hatch from Desmond's Penny -- who, contrary to what Naomi has said, denies that she knows Naomi at all!!

But the HUGE TWIST of the episode -- in fact, probably the huge twist of the entire series -- happens in the flashback. They start by showing that Jack is totally fucked up. He's popping pills and suicidal. The first flashback shows him about to kill himself by jumping off a bridge -- only a car accident nearby causes him to stop, and instead of killing himself he fins himself helping the accident victims.

But he keeps spiraling. He sees his ex-wife at the hospital -- she's pregnant with another man's child. He goes to a funeral of a person that we never discover, but whoever it is, his (or her) death rocks Jack hard. He steals drugs from the hospital and is caught by the new doctor in charge.

And all the time, he's constantly on the phone desperately trying to contact somebody. And the last scene shows us who...he goes to meet the mystery person, and it's the last person on earth we would think...it's KATE!

And it's now that we realize that for the first time in Lost history, we haven't been watching a flashback. We've been watching a FLASH-FORWARD!

Yep, that's right. THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THAT JACK AND KATE MAKE IT OFF THE ISLAND. For some reason, this has been the cause of Jack's spiral. He tells Kate they have to go back to the island. She refuses and drives away. The show finishes with Jack screaming "We have to go back!!"



End of Spoilers

[Boondock Saint]

It's taking every last bit of willpower not to look at those...

[Avenger]

Why? What self respecting Lost fan would even dare to read them? Shaggy is an absolute idiot for reading those.

I cannot understand why anyone would even think twice about reading the spoilers?? Why spoil the last 2 episodes for yourself?

:wtf:

[Dave Youell]

No way those hidden spoilers are true especially since the writers already said specifically that one character spoken about would not die.
Matt Hardy is joining Lost?

[Jon Kano]

Yeach fuck reading those spoliers.

[XL]

I have managed NOT to read them!!

You proud of me Avenger? I'm a convert!

[Shaggy]

Why? What self respecting Lost fan would even dare to read them? Shaggy is an absolute idiot for reading those.

I cannot understand why anyone would even think twice about reading the spoilers?? Why spoil the last 2 episodes for yourself?

:wtf:

You know....I honestly dont care if you think im an idiot for not being able to hold in the anticipation and having to look at the spoilers....Its not like im one of those people who found out what happened and spoiled it for yall..I hid the spoilers and gave you all fare warning before you even looked at it...I just posted them on here for those who might of been interested. If you think doing that makes me an idiot than fine go ahead....

The person who sent me those spoilers sent me a message the other day telling me that they might not be real anyways....so basically ive looked at nothing...

[Jon Kano]

Forget about it mate lol Avenger is the kind of person where if he doesn't agree with what you say/do/plan/think then he will do everything he can to try and convince you his way is the right thing to do and any other choice made by anyone else, is stupid.

Granted I kinda agree with that hs is saying about the LAST two, but still, he is this kind of person I speak of.

[Shaggy]

I guess why I spoil the last two episodes is because I just cant wait that long...and know that something might come up to cause me to miss it.

Sorta like reading Smackdown or Impact Spoilers...I read them because I know im never gonna get the chance to watch them..

Its not like me reading them ever harms anyone..I never speak of them to anyone....

[Jon Kano]

Yeah I have often read spoliers for episodes because of those reasons, and imo seeing the actual footage, music and dialogue anyway is awesome even if you have read what will happen.

However I intend to keep the last ep a suprise.

[Avenger]

TV is dying because of people like you.

[Avenger]

are you happy?

[Avenger]

You killed tv.

[Avenger]

I really hope you're happy with yourself.

[Blitz]

Good episode. But obviously filler leading tot he finale.

And it looks like those spoilers are accurate.

[Shaggy]

Great episode...possibly the best so far...

That was one hell of a tear jerker...but a screwed up ending giving people some hope....when everyone knows that Charlie is gonna die...

And Avenger...Ok...fine...you win...Im a horrible person for looking at what was gonna happen...and I...and only I...am the killer of T.V....you happy...

[Boondock Saint]

I fell for the whole "Desmond is gonna go down instead" and during that whole sequence I was like FUCK FUCK DESMOND IS GONNA DIE. Then Charlie knocked him out and I relaxed. Wasn't expecting those people to be down there though. Are they Others or leftover Dharma? I'm assuming Others since they have guns...2 hours next week :love:

[Boondock Saint]

Oh wait, I'm dumb. The sub was their only way to get to the Looking Glass so those Others are stuck there since the sub went kablooey. AH

[Boondock Saint]

Also, this was the first Charlie episode that I actually cared about him. When Desmond first told him he was going to die, I was like EH whatever, his episodes have sucked. Now after tonight I don't want him to. :( His "greatest hits" was a cool way of doing the flashback.

Jack/Sayid confrontation was the goods. I love how Sayid doesn't take shit from anyone.

I'm glad to see Rousseau featured more this season (it may be just as much as the last two seasons, I don't remember). I'd like to see a flashback from her next year.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

Lost always does that. They make you care about the character with a really awesome flashback then they kill them off. They did it with Shannon, eko (although he was awesome this just made him cooler) nikki and paulo and now charlie.

Yeah and Rousseau has been really awesome this season. I am surprised she hasnt gotten a flashback yet when less intresting people like nikki and paulo and rose and bernard have had them. I think maybe Rousseau's past is more intresting and revealing then she is letting on and the creators have to reveal more so her flashback makes sense.

And i dont think sayid dies. The last few episodes have shown how much the other losties (sawyer, charlie, hurley, desmond and even kate and locke to an extent) reley on sayid for leadership. If the rumours are true and sawyer is leading his own group of losties i imagine sayid would have to his deputy.

[ClockShot]

Interesting show last night. I would have posted earlier, but my power went out and I didn't feel like rebooting my slow computer.

So Charlie's future is up in the air right now. No push button go boom now, huh?

We've seen the Pearl, the now destroyed hatch, and now there is the Looking Glass. If memory serves me right there are 6 spots around the island. Sweet place. Looks like the set from the movie The Abyss. I'd love to see that giant water snake come out.

Defintely got the same feeling as Boondock. Are they really Others sitting there on Ben's orders, or Dharma workers before Ben took over?

Take a hike Hurley. You need it.

Man, what I would give to see Locke walk out of the woods during the season finale next week. All clean shaven, wound gone, with "Jacob" right next too him.

[Boondock Saint]

We've seen the Pearl, the now destroyed hatch, and now there is the Looking Glass. If memory serves me right there are 6 spots around the island. Sweet place.

Along with the Medical Hatch, the Flame/Hatch where Mikhail was...I think we've seen one more...

[Pinnacle Charisma]

is the pearl the one where eko and locke first found underneath ekos brothers place crash??
I forget all the techinal names for them

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah.

[RBM]

Anyone gonna watch the Lost special after Grey's Anatomy tonight? Producers are going to talk about the show and apparently 'set us up for the finale'. I'm sure those that have scoured the interweb for every drop of Lost information probably know everything they're about to say and whatnot, but I might flip to it later on.

[Shaggy]

I gotta be at work at 3am tomorrow...Ill Tivo it and check it out when I get home..