Official GTA IV Thread

[DS]

Coming out in October with episodic content in 2008. March 29th will be the first trailer. Figured I'd start this now.

[TerranRich]

Episodic content? What's that, like add-ons?

Man, I can't wait for this game, whether I have the console for it or not. :D

[PapaGeorgio]

What new features and that will it have? How will it be different from other ones?

[Fignuts]

I dunno, gta became boring for me after I played vice city to death. Like, I got partway into San Andreas, and I just didn't care.

I think a big part of that is the fact that there are a lot of games that take the open enviornment formula of gta, and put it in a fantastic setting. Games like spider-man 2, Mercenaries, and Crackdown make the activity in GTA just seem tame and uninteresting.

With Cracdown out, and more importantly, Mercanaries 2 on the way, I could give a fuck about the next gta

[DS]

Episodic content will be like more "chapters" to the story. So, yeah, like add-ons.

But other than the release date and the trailer date, everything about this game has been pretty quiet. The trailer will be the first look at the era, new features, and if we go back to being white. Or, possibly a customizable character this time. For some reason I think this is a big possibility.

[El Fangel]

Does anyone has any idea what era this is in?

[KingofOldSchool]

They need to do one from the 60's.

TAKE OUT THOSE HIPPIES.

[El Fangel]

Or a 20-30's mob one. You can take on John Cena and the chaingang of untouchables.

[mitchables]

The first expansion pack for GTA 1 was set in the '60's.

[mitchables]

Or a 20-30's mob one. You can take on John Cena and the chaingang of untouchables.

Yeah, or Rockstar could not waste their time since The Godfather has been out for months.

[Blitz]

Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk gotta get a PS3 or 360 soon.

[DS]

Yeah, or Rockstar could not waste their time since The Godfather has been out for months.
Mafia was out far longer than The Godfather and it was much better.

[Indifferent Clox]

I thought this was in Europe.

[Blitz]

I wonder if it'll include GTAIII characters.

[Shaggy]

I hope that the extra content for this game isnt crap like...New clothes and haircuts for your character...

If its not new storylines then I probably wont be buying the extra crap...

Cant wait for the game though...since I own a 360...This and Guitar Hero 2 are the only two games im really waiting for..

[DS]

The episodic content isn't just a new weapon or new car, it's hours of additional gameplay.

[KingofOldSchool]

The first expansion pack for GTA 1 was set in the '60's.

I would care if I actually played that game.

[Disturbed316]

GTA: London was full of cheesey Austin Power like refferences and quotes.

Wonder if the Hot Coffee mini game will make it the proper final version this time :shifty:

[D Mac]

Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk gotta get a PS3 or 360 soon.

360 duuuuuuuuude. I'll even get a NHL game to play you at.

[MTH15]

Its not for PS2? I suggest modern time..Like now. And have different characters..Or possibly just a Create-A-Character

[Just John]

Nothing is known about GTAIV except that the trailer will be released 29th of March, and that it will use the RAGE Engine (Rockstars Advanced Graphics Engine) its what they used for Rockstars table tennis.

www.rockstargames.com/IV

[Just John]

Episodic content will be like more "chapters" to the story. So, yeah, like add-ons.

But other than the release date and the trailer date, everything about this game has been pretty quiet. The trailer will be the first look at the era, new features, and if we go back to being white. Or, possibly a customizable character this time. For some reason I think this is a big possibility.

Not entirley.

It could end up being a teaser trailer, which although unlikley, wouldn't be unexpected from Rockstar

[DS]

It won't be a teaser trailer because this is usually the time when they started releasing information for the other games.

[Just John]

Yeah I know, but beware that this time is very close to April fools day (1st) Its weird how we usually get screenshots in march, and a trailer in may.

But they did this with L.A Noire

[Extreme Angle]

Could have add ons like crackdown, new agents on crackdown but you could download or design your own t-shirt that would be bang tight :D

[Xero]

I don't have any doubts that this will be the first truly huge game of the next-gen (even bigger than Halo 3). I'm hoping it will be on a brand new engine, because while GTA 3-SA were awesome, the ground controls were always a little stiff.

[Destor]

Yo quick question. Why does everyoen credit open enviornment/free roam to GTA? Why would you not credit it to say... ZEDLA? Bugs me.

[94 SVT Cobra]

Damn it, i was doing so good not wanting any of the new systems too...now...i have to get one as the only time i actually buy damn systems is for the new GTA games.

[Just John]

Yo quick question. Why does everyoen credit open enviornment/free roam to GTA? Why would you not credit it to say... ZEDLA? Bugs me.

Yeah, and the 3D style of gameplay you see now was actually done in Driver (The first one, although I know you couldnt exit the car until the second) whilst GTA was still top down. But as far as most people are concerned, GTA pulled it off better.

I suppose the same would account for the freeroaming sandbox gameplay.

[Just John]

I don't have any doubts that this will be the first truly huge game of the next-gen (even bigger than Halo 3). I'm hoping it will be on a brand new engine, because while GTA 3-SA were awesome, the ground controls were always a little stiff.

They are using a new engine.

http://www.qj.net/Rockstar-Games-loves-Euphoria-Engine-/pg/49/aid/84343


Are you familiar with the company NaturalMotion and its Euphoria Engine? No? Well, soon, you will be. NaturalMotion is actually the first company to create 3D character animation software based on DMS or Dynamic Motion Synthesis. In case you're wondering why this matters to you, please take note that the company just announced a partnership with Rockstar Games.

NaturalMotion said that Rockstar Games will now be including Euphoria in its upcoming next-gen titles. The engine will simulate the human body and nervous system that allows characters to be fully interactive, allowing them to act differently every time. CEO Torsten Reil remarked,


In Rockstar, we have found a partner that shares this vision, and is renowned for creating some of the most ground-breaking and immersive games in the industry. We are thrilled and honored to work with a partner of such high caliber, and look forward to helping create amazing titles.



Finally, NaturalMotion promises to make announcements regarding specific titles *cough...GTA IV...cough* soon.

I'll try and dig up some Youtube vids of the engine in action (Not of GTA though)

[Just John]

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There is a tech demo of the Euphoria engine, shown by throwing some Stormtroopers around. Looks lush as you can see.

[Xero]

Wow, looks really awesome.

[Johnny Vegas]

They need to do either: Late '90s one (or was that GTA III) or just another location like Chicago, Hawaii, or Texas.

New features should be like you should be able to interact more with the city. You can go to sporting events, concerts, nightclubs (and actually drink and pick up a girl or something), go to the mall with girl/allies. You can fly to different cities (back to miami, NY, LA, Las Vegas, etc. since there will be more disk space). I'll think of more later...

[Extreme Angle]

There MUST be online play

[DS]

It will probably have a lot of the same online types as the PSP games have had. Probably more.

[Disturbed316]

Looks pretty awesome

[Just John]

I'm pretty sure there will be net play of some sort, I looked on the Rockstar North website earlier in the year (2006) and they were looking for net programmers to apply.

[MTH15]

I hope the multiplayer is more like it was for James Bond for N64. 4 screens split and stuff. Different places like say a part of town where you can roam around. Like online you just roam around and you can either go into a part of land (ex. Los Santos, Sanfierro) and its free for all there...snipers and shit. That would be bombay!!

[Destor]

Yeah, and the 3D style of gameplay you see now was actually done in Driver (The first one, although I know you couldnt exit the car until the second) whilst GTA was still top down. But as far as most people are concerned, GTA pulled it off better.

I suppose the same would account for the freeroaming sandbox gameplay.Don't know if doing it better should let you be called the origionater.

[Just John]

Don't know if doing it better should let you be called the origionater.

Yeah, thats partly due to people being idiots, and people that think of sandbox crim-sim as something totally different from a game with RPG like qualities. It just depends whats said really.

[Ninti the Mad]

I dont care about this topic until pics.

I SHALL RETURN

[94 SVT Cobra]

Im with Ninti here....Pics FTW

[tucsonspeed6]

Yeah, thats partly due to people being idiots, and people that think of sandbox crim-sim as something totally different from a game with RPG like qualities. It just depends whats said really.

What? Did you just say that GTA is an RPG?

[Just John]

What? Did you just say that GTA is an RPG?

No, although saying that, San Andreas did have a few RPG like qualities.

[tucsonspeed6]

Yeah. Just the littlest bit with swimming and the like. I just didn't understand the point you were trying to make.

[94 SVT Cobra]

its coming bitches....october 17th

[94 SVT Cobra]

Trailer is able to be seen tommrow on rockstar.com, this is it people, buckle up,lock your doors, and get ready for another one of those LONG MANY PAGE posts since Smackdown VS raw

[Requiem]

The GTA series is -very much- an RPG. With its mission structure, free roaming, 'faction'. Not sure how people can overlook that little fact. On the outside, it's not very RPG-like, but when you actually get into the features of the game, that's exactly what it is.

[CSL]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/von_muff/IV.jpg

<font color=white>Not long now.</font>

[Xero]

GTA trailers are the new "OMFG Epic movie EVERYONE wants to see" movie trailers.

[Disturbed316]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[DS]

I am so excited for this. This is probably going to make me want to go pick up PS3/360 today.

[Just John]

Devised a master plan which *should* allow me to see the trailer a few hours before everyone else. FUCK YEAH.

I'll post updates if everything goes to plan.

[Ninti the Mad]

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/32/88225c0c-28e9-4a99-9b10-98f400c67293.htm

supposedly this is the trailer

LOOKS SHITTY

[Just John]

Hilariously fake, I'm pretty sure that footage is from Saints Row. Also note the GT-R on the Skyline, Rockstar dont use licenced cars in GTA. Not many people would want them anyway.

[DS]

LOL

There is no way that is the trailer. So much wrong.

[Ninti the Mad]

Yeah, I thought so. It just didnt feel like GTA if you know what I mean.

Plus the gay cop captions.

EAGLE12!!!

[Stickman]

I only played San Andreas and found it pretty boring tbh. Were the first few actually better?

[jcmoorehead]

I only played San Andreas and found it pretty boring tbh. Were the first few actually better?

GTA3 and VC were brilliant games, I loved SA as well but it didn't have the same effect as 3 or Vice City. SA just didn't pull you into the world as much I found. GTA3 was a huge step up after playing GTA1 or 2, VC took what GTA3 had refined it and was one of the best games I've ever played, it really pulled you into the 80s atmosphere.

[Xero]

2 Hours to go...

[The Genius]

i should get vice city stories. but is it extremely short since its a direct psp port?

[Extreme Angle]

hmmmm should i stay up?

[Xero]

i should get vice city stories. but is it extremely short since its a direct psp port?
If you liked the watered down LCS, then I would imagine it'll be a safe bet.

[Extreme Angle]

Thats APB for the 360, all points bulletin... its an online only game you choose to be cops or robbers when you start and if your a cop you must stop crime, a robber you do crime...
very cool game, aint heard much about it in ages
http://www.apb.com/

[The Genius]

If you liked the watered down LCS, then I would imagine it'll be a safe bet.
actually never played LCS. last game i played was SA. if its a watered down version of VC, i will pass.

[Xero]

From what I played in LCS, it's basically GTA 3 with motorcycles, a bit of a tweaked control system and much worse graphics. It's a direct port from the PSP, so it's pretty bad in my opinion.

15 mins.

http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/index2.html < That's what it'll be directing to, so it may be up before.

Better not disappoint.

[Ninti the Mad]

6 minutes!!!!!!!!

[Xero]

5:50! WOOO!

[CSL]

4.07...

[Xero]

Figures, the server just crashed.

[Xero]

Wait, it's up!

http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/index2.html

Doesn't go anywhere though. The site's being uploaded. :mad:

[Ninti the Mad]

3 minutes!!!

[Ninti the Mad]

1 minute

that page wont go through yet

[CSL]

Less than a moffin' minute.

[Ninti the Mad]

done

[Ninti the Mad]

fucking bandwidth

[CSL]

<font color=white>FUCKING LOAD HELL WHORE!!</font>

[Xero]

Server crashed, lol.

Probably should have set something up with Gamespot or something.

[94 SVT Cobra]

yea, im pretty fucking pissed lol

[Extreme Angle]

DAMN!
Wonna watch this before i go to bed... school 2moz

[Ninti the Mad]

hmm its trying to come back up

[CSL]

<font color=white>Just put my D.O.B in...</font>

[Xero]

I read the HTML and thought "agegate" was the city. It was just the page to input your age's logo. :$

[Extreme Angle]

I am getting so annoyed :(

[CSL]

'Trailer Files'

[Extreme Angle]

www.gametrailers.com
if you can get it working good for you...
got it omg omg omg!
Damn had the screen up just had to click play but something happened :(
Oh well seen the pic of the trailer

[Xero]

Spoilers:










It's LIBERTY CITY! It's on IGN...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/776/776967p1.html

[Extreme Angle]

Mines up and playing

[Ninti the Mad]

Graphics are immense.

[Xero]

All IGN would load was 8 seconds but shit it looks awesome.

[Ninti the Mad]

use quicktime

[Extreme Angle]

Damn i wish i could see it!
I didn't have something for quicktime so I can only hear it...
i'll keep clicking play now anyway for the windows media one
yay got it on, just buffering now

[Ninti the Mad]

It basically shows a city moving in fast motion while some Russian dude is talking.

good lighting and details

[Extreme Angle]

I'll watch it now... what can be so good about a russian guy talking :\

[Xero]

Finally got it to load. All I can say is wow.

Hopefully they're rendering it the same way the in-game graphics are, but even not, it looks like it'll be a truly full-sized New York city.

[Extreme Angle]

meh it was ok....
didn't really play gta3 so...
Graphics were outstanding for gta thou!
still don't know what it means by "things will be different" thou.

[Ninti the Mad]

russian mob


Has the premise to be sweet.

[Jon Kano]

Looks pretty fuckin sweet.

[CSL]

<font color=white>And if ya haven't/can't see it:

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</font>

[DS]

Looks like something bad happened to Liberty City and it's having to be rebuilt. I wasn't expecting this for another hour but now that I've watched it...it looks amazing.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That looks fucking amazing. :drool:

Give it about one day before people bitch about being able to cause destruction in NY</font>

[94 SVT Cobra]

Holy....fuckin.....christ

[Tornado]

Yeah the graphics look pretty nice, but apart from that, im underwhelmed. I'd be pissed off if i'd have stayed up for hours for that.

[Xero]

Honestly, what were you expecting? Obviously gameplay wasn't going to be revealed.

[The Genius]

what platforms will this be coming out on?

[Xero]

360 and PS3 are confirmed and will both be out on Launch day. PC no doubt will come later and there are a few rumblings of Wii, though it would probably be an entirely different game.

[The Genius]

ps2. YES!

[Xero]

Sorry, meant PS3. Last gen's out completely.

[The Genius]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

i guess by that time i should have bought a 360.

[The Fugitive]

Graphics-wise, it looks incredible.

Really can't say anything until a gameplay trailer comes out but I'm not excited at the idea of playing as a Russian.

[DS]

I'm pretty excited about the whole Russian aspect. It looks great and just from the trailer there is a lot of great ideas they can do with the storyline. And Rockstar usually does a good job with the story.

[94 SVT Cobra]

I just cant believe there using a real city, thats insane.

[Xero]

They're not, it's Liberty City, which was always supposed to be New York anyway.

Just like Vice City is supposed to be Miami and San Andreas is supposed to be California.

Though I am surprised they put real landmarks in, especially the Statue of Liberty. Thought they would have at least changed it...

[94 SVT Cobra]

They're not, it's Liberty City, which was always supposed to be New York anyway.

Just like Vice City is supposed to be Miami and San Andreas is supposed to be California.

Though I am surprised they put real landmarks in, especially the Statue of Liberty. Thought they would have at least changed it...


Hey, do u remeber the 1st gta, wtf was the name of the other cities in the game besides san andreas, liberty and VC? they all had 2 cities per state i remember.

[The Fugitive]

Tell you what, it's always fun watching these types of trailers again, just to pick up little things that you didn't see the first time.

I.E. Anyone else notice the billboard advertising the latest movie to hit the silver screen, 'I slept with your Mom'.

[Xero]

Hey, do u remeber the 1st gta, wtf was the name of the other cities in the game besides san andreas, liberty and VC? they all had 2 cities per state i remember.


All I remember are San Andreas, Liberty City and Vice City, plus the London games.

[DS]

Me and Requiem went through and kind of framed-by-framed it to try and see the little details. Not much from this trailer but still some things like the return of the fast food companies from San Andreas and some other little things like the America's Next Top Model parody "Top Hooker". Pretty funny stuff.

[Xero]

I notice a something Weapon sign (pretty obvious, actually). I wonder if they're changing Ammunation's name, its a movie or it's just an ad for Ammunation...

[DS]

Pretty sure it's a movie add. If you look under "Weapons" it says "returns" so I believe it's just a sequel, number 10 according to the X, of an action movie.

[DS]

Looking at the trailer again there are a lot of different characters that are carrying groceries on the sidewalk which makes me believe that the groceries are not part of the character model. It would be a nice touch if they dropped them after a shooting or running into them.

Also, the cops look a lot better than the other games. Kind of reminds me of Sgt. Powell, or Carl Winslow in uniform, in this picture: (Don't know if he's even black but its the first thing I thought of)
http://files.gtanet.com/gta4/screenshots/gtaiv_trailer_19.jpg

Nice character models.

[Dorkchop]

Well, looks like I'm going to have to get a 360.

[94 SVT Cobra]

ebay that 360 lol...u can get them unopened for good price

[Xero]

And if you don't mind used, I'm sure quite a few great conditioned ones will go up for fairly cheap because they'll be upgrading to the Elite version.

[Dorkchop]

I don't mind used as long as it's in great condition. I'm always weary of buying used, but at the same time I know there are honest people like me who take care of their electronics and if there's something wrong with it, will mention it.

I do really want one though. Nintendo isn't doing anything, really, in the online department. Which is sad because they have a fun little machine.

I've loved GTA III, VC, and SA. I even loved the demo I played of the first GTA (Never had a computer until recently so I never got to play the full versions of the first 2). This game will be amazing. I just need more games that I want to get a 360. I want to wait another year or two, but at the same time don't want to not play GTA for that long.

[Drakul]

Though I am surprised they put real landmarks in, especially the Statue of Liberty. Thought they would have at least changed it...
I think they have, sort of. It looks like the statue isn't holding the torch but something else and the hat thing looks different. Maybe it's just the angle.

[DS]

Looks pretty much the same to me.

[Drakul]

What if the russian guy turns out to be Claude Speed after aging a few years and returning to LC. Never heard Claude talk so he could be russian. It's so unlikely I'm right, it wasn't worth mentioning but I did.

[Blitz]

^Doesn't look anything like Claude, unless he had plastic surgery.

Graphics look predictably beautiful. I hope it won't just be Liberty City tho, I want some new areas.

[Drakul]

I know. If Rockstar can change the face of Max Payne from one game to another then nothings stopping them doing the same to Claude but yeah you're right.

BTW the trailers on youtube and all these guys are arguing over weither it's LC or NY. Some can't even tell if the guy is Russian or an Arab.

[el fregadero]

It can be just Liberty City and I'll be fine with it, if it features ridiculously in-depth (like it appears to be) all 5 boroughs. Of course I have no 360 or PS3 and really don't want to buy one, but man I am pumped for this game.

[94 SVT Cobra]

Alright, i just had this totally CRAZY theory, beyond crazy actually. WHAT IF the BIG surprise for this game is that you can travel between ANY of the THREE CITIES? Dude, that would be dope as fuck. Idk why, but it seems possible. BEacuse think about it, imigrants come into USA from new york most of the time, especially from the other side of the pond like russia...hmmmm. what if when he said "maybe this place is diffrent." he didnt mean liberty city....but the USA?

[The Fugitive]

New features should be like you should be able to interact more with the city. You can go to sporting events, concerts, nightclubs (and actually drink and pick up a girl or something), go to the mall with girl/allies. You can fly to different cities (back to miami, NY, LA, Las Vegas, etc. since there will be more disk space). I'll think of more later...

Looking back, I've had a few thoughts with what I wouldl like to see from this game.

- Interactive environments. I'm aware that we already have them but I can imagine that it can be improved. Picture this: You've just walked into a bar, you take a seat (by walking up to an empty stool and using the same button as one would use to enter a vehicle), from there, you could order a bottle or whatever takes your fancy. For now, we've ordered a forty. Some drunk ass a few stools away decides to talk shit about you, you now have a choice here, you can press a button to talk shit back to him or you can get up from your stool and press a button to pick up your bottle and smash it against the counter, allowing you to use it as a weapon (or if he's next to you, just smash it over his head). If the fight escalates and his friends come to help, you can walk over to the pool area, take a cue and use that as a weapon. That's just one scenario that has came to mind. Another is that while walking down the street, seeing someone carrying a bag of groceries and being able to snatch an apple or other food item when you need food.

- I agree with JV's idea. You need more ways to interact with the city. I liked the idea with being able to go into fast food outlets, into clothing shops and other places but I think you can do much better. You've got the sporting arena where you have to do the racing and the demolition derby. Why not make it possible to buy a ticket to watch it? You could even place a bet on who is going to win (taking the idea from SA). There's a department store a few blocks away. We should be able to go into it and cause havoc. Shoplifting, vandalism, whatever takes your fancy. Cinemas, museums, towers. I know it's impossible right now, but one day, I'll like to be able to walk down a street in a game and be able to walk into any building I see.

- Make the weapons upgradable. I'll like to see the possibility of being able to buy not only new guns, but better scopes, laser sights, different ammunition, silencers, maybe even larger magazines. I suppose you could be outrageous and attach an grenade launcher to a rifle, but I think that's a bit over the top and if you wanted that, you could play BF2.

- Multiplayer. I'll like to see some type of online gameplay where you could join a gang/clan and compete against other gangs in terriority wars or with your team, have a co-op game where you can ride around together, causing chaos. Of course, lag is going to be a major hurdle to deal with so I don't know how you'll deal with that, perhaps it could restrict who plays against who by their IP address.

I've got some other ideas, but I've rambled on way too long and I'm curious if anyone else has any other thoughts.

[Extreme Angle]

Don't think there would be much lag...
Look at the multiplayer for the gta's for pc....
Never seen lag on those

[The Fugitive]

Yeah, PC to PC wouldn't a problem, but I have no idea how good/bad the lag is on the 360 or the PS3. If it's fine, then no worries. One less reason to not have multiplayer for GTAIV.

[Disturbed316]

Downloaded it on XBL this morning, it looks amazing, graphics wise. Will be interesting to see if any of the gameplay has changed.

[Xero]

Alright, i just had this totally CRAZY theory, beyond crazy actually. WHAT IF the BIG surprise for this game is that you can travel between ANY of the THREE CITIES? Dude, that would be dope as fuck. Idk why, but it seems possible. BEacuse think about it, imigrants come into USA from new york most of the time, especially from the other side of the pond like russia...hmmmm. what if when he said "maybe this place is diffrent." he didnt mean liberty city....but the USA?
SA, LC and VC would never fit on the 360's disk. PS3's, probably, but if the detail is anything near that of the trailer, it'll be impossible to fit them on the 360 without requiring a network and a pretty big HDD.

[Just John]

SA, LC and VC would never fit on the 360's disk. PS3's, probably, but if the detail is anything near that of the trailer, it'll be impossible to fit them on the 360 without requiring a network and a pretty big HDD.

That's not strictly true, map size took up a small part of disc space in San Andreas. It was the audio that took up about half of the disc space. Sounds weird, but its entirely true. Especially when you look how HUGE Saints Row was, and that was on the 360.

Saw the trailer 5 mins before most people, watched it a few times, then R*s site broke down, Couldn't even ping it.

Not sure how they will go about fitting a new improved Liberty City into the storyline, mabye the shoreside 'Upstate' tunnel has something to do with it.

Oh and it is Liberty City, check out the signs on the Boats etc. and the LCPD on the police car.

Draw distance is good, and the shadows look great. Not sure about a russian main character though. Kinda tired of the whole mob thing.

[Xero]

That's not strictly true, map size took up a small part of disc space in San Andreas. It was the audio that took up about half of the disc space. Sounds weird, but its entirely true. Especially when you look how HUGE Saints Row was, and that was on the 360.
Really? Didn't know that.

[Just John]

Really? Didn't know that.

Yeah, its mad. Personally I have no idea why Audio would take up the most content Mabye it's how many tracks, plus the constant streaming (Because it doesn't pick up from where you left off if you get out of the car, wait a bit and get back in.) Either way it uses shit loads of disc space.

[Just John]

Basically, the maps are not what takes the space. Rockstar could have added another big city to SA without having to goto dual layer discs. The biggest part of GTA is the audio.

Beta testing SA sized maps makes it nearly impossible to find and fix all the graphical glitches because they are not gonna pay 100s of beta testers to go find them. GTA3 had a few glitches here and there nothing major. VC comes around and you find a little more then you did in GTA3. Now you have SA and you find the major glitches which are everywhere and easy to find.

[Mr Regal]

Just watched the trailer and i am very impressed.

Finally GTA will look as good as it plays.

I will be buying a 360 just for this game, fuck spending all the dough required for PS3.

[DS]

Why are people trying to argue that it's not Liberty City? I thought that was kind of clear with the numerous signs. Liberty Ferry Terminal, the Liberty Ferry, Liberteen, "Liberty City" under the Platypus, LCPD, the statue of liberty. Alright, that last one might not fit but still.

Also, it's only been assumed that the Russian is the main character. I wouldn't doubt that it's not, but still a chance. At first I was disappointed, but now I'm kind of looking forward to playing as him.

[Russenmafia]

Looks good, I would love it if they managed to do a Chatterbox Radio Station as funny as GTA 3.

[DS]

Couple other small things. First, if you watch the video again you can see when the guy in the blue car is driving that he readjusts his rear view mirror. I'm thinking that shows some pedestrian AI improvement already.

Also, there has been talk online of multiple cities (LC, VC, and SA) in the game because at the beginning of the trailer there is a sign in the background that says "Visit Vice City $300". Pretty sure you need to sharpen it in photoshop and stuff but it's there. I can't imagine how big this game would be if that were true though. Took me forever to get from one side of San Andreas to the other. Imagine doing that and then going across two other cities.

[ClockShot]

Just watched the trailer.

Pretty impressive. Too bad we're going back to Liberty City. We've been east, south, and west. I was hoping we go someplace in the central U.S. (A spinoff of Chicago or Detroit.)

As for being a Russian? I don't know. Kinda reminds me of Lord of War. Starting out in Little Odessa/Brighton Beach and working your way up/out.

[Drakul]

What if the russian guy is a main character but he's not you? If he's in the next trailer then he probably is you but maybe in the next trailer we'll see someone else. Didn't R* show a pic of a black guys face and everyone assumed that was the main guy or was that fake?I don't have an Xbox360 or a Ps3 and I'm gonna get a Wii. I'd like to play GTA IV but I'm not buying a console just for one game, if more games for the Xbox/Ps3 interest me, then maybe I'll get one. Alternatively I can wait until my sisters gotten the game for her 360 and play it over there :D.

[Avenger]

Fuck, I am getting me a PS3. Selling this PS2 prompto.

[Xero]

I hope this isn't setting a trend. The last two generations had Liberty City. I really hope the sequel to GTA 4 won't be Vice City. Not that the amount of detail they could put into it won't be awesome, but I would like to see some new cities.

[Just John]

http://planetgrandtheftauto.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=90


Breakdown of the trailer

[MTH15]

I just beat San Andreas like 5 days ago. And now GTA 4 comes out

[Mooияakeя™]

It's LC. - So here's hoping on a brand reboot, jsut so I can get back into the 80's again!

[Extreme Angle]

That site with the breakdown of the trailer is cool as hell

[94 SVT Cobra]

I hope this isn't setting a trend. The last two generations had Liberty City. I really hope the sequel to GTA 4 won't be Vice City. Not that the amount of detail they could put into it won't be awesome, but I would like to see some new cities.


How about one even better.....new COUNTRIES! GTA London was pretty damn fun. How about a remake of that at least for the next one right?

[Xero]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind something like that.

GTA: Japan would be pretty awesome I would think.

[Blitz]

Would be cool to have a GTA Japan game where you could play as Wu Zi.

[94 SVT Cobra]

BEtter yet, GTA germany with an actual autobahn....IMAGINE the chaos you could cause on that stretch of road? Just stopping the car would cause more accidents then if you tried to cause one any other way.....Porsche doing 120 and all of a sudden BAM...right into your dinky peugot sending it FLYING.

[Xero]

I'm betting by next gen we're going to have an MMO GTA set on the entire Earth.

That would be so fucking awesome.

[94 SVT Cobra]

I'm betting by next gen we're going to have an MMO GTA set on the entire Earth.

That would be so fucking awesome.

the thought of that, is fucking mind boggiling. it would probally be a near never ending game.

[Russenmafia]

How about one even better.....new COUNTRIES! GTA London was pretty damn fun. How about a remake of that at least for the next one right?

GTA London sucked balls.

[Just John]

GTA London :n:


I'm hoping that by setting it in LC (And having Chicago and Detroit as Possibilities, someone claimed they've seen IV stickers in Chicago) we'll see a return of Rise FM. Been listening to the old GTA3 mixes by Slyder. Gotta say it sounds euphoric.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I just beat San Andreas like 5 days ago. And now GTA 4 comes out

I know how you feel. I'm still stuck on the last SA mission...:'(

[Xero]

I started playing SA just to fuck around a few weeks ago. GTA is the only series I have wanted to use cheats for. It's just so awesome to input the weapons and health cheat and go on a fucking rampage.

I know two of the three weapon tier codes by heart.

[tucsonspeed6]

The only codes I ever used were the riot codes. Fun times.

[DS]

Here's some key points:

The protagonist's name is Niko Bellic - an Eastern European immigrant who has come to Liberty City to live the "American Dream." The game is set in Liberty City in 2007, but it is bigger than the Liberty City we saw in GTA III.

Rockstar have recreated 4 of the 5 boroughs in New York, as well as part of New Jersey. Broker is the GTA IV equivalent of Brooklyn, Manhattan is now called Algonquin, Queens is now Dukes, the Bronx is Bohan, and New Jersey is Alderney. The map is smaller than San Andreas, but considerably more detailed. No countryside or desert, we are led to believe.

Pedestrians are far more realistic in GTAIV than in previous GTA games - they sit on benches, smoke cigarettes, read books and generally act like any real pedestrian would in the middle of a street.

The camera angle behind the car is closer to the vehicle than in previous GTA titles, which enables more detail on the car to be seen.

Your character uses a cellphone which has options for Phonebook, Messages, Organizer and Camera on it's LCD screen.

As Bellic walks, you can feel the weight behind each step he makes. Variations in the terrain cause realistic changes in the walking animation.

Rockstar consulted crime experts and ex-policemen when making the game, and they learned that being a criminal is a lot harder these days than it was during the 80s and 90s (for example) and they have tried to reflect this in the game. This means you can expect to see a lot of people getting arrested - the police are a heavy presence in Liberty City.

There are no planes in GTA IV because there is only one city, and Rockstar want the game to seem realistic.

After an initial load sequence, the game will never load again. Not even during exterior-interior transitions (and vice versa).

Both versions of the game (Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3) will likely be identical, but the Xbox 360 version will have exclusive downloadable episodic [sizeable] content.

GTA IV will have multiplayer, but it's not going to be a massively multiplayer online game, says Dan Houser. They are trying to make something that is interesting, fun, progressive and which goes along nicely with the single-player game.

More information can be found here but I took out the most exciting parts. There is some information on the story though so read it:
http://www.gta4.net/news/3857/game-informer-reaches-subscribers/

Pages 7-10 of the magazine:
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[DS]

Also, if that means there is no episodic content for the PS3 then I'm pretty much set on getting a 360.

[Blitz]

No planes what :'(

[The Fugitive]

Can't say I'm upset about the lack of planes. The flight lessons in San Andreas are headache-inducing. I will miss planes randomly crashing into the middle of the street though.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I knew there'd be no planes as soon as I learned it was set in NY with actual buildings. It would take about 2 seconds before someone decides to crash a plane into the Empire State Building and everyone gets outraged.</font>

[Mr Regal]

The planes not being there is very good news, I found that the hardest part of SA by a mile......especially that fucking little model one!

I can't wait for this to come out.....although i will have to kiss goodbye to my social life.

[The Fugitive]

Supply Lines? Yeah, that was frustating but once you know what to do, it's not that difficult. For me, the hardest part of SA was the NRG-500 challenge. Probably the most annoying part of the game and one that took me a month to complete.

[Xero]

"After an initial load sequence, the game will never load again. Not even during exterior-interior transitions (and vice versa)."

That's what they said about SA.

Also, even though planes aren't in, I would expect helicopters to be flyable.

[Blitz]

Why?

[MTH15]

I know how you feel. I'm still stuck on the last SA mission...:'(
The firetruck part was confusing. It said car and I thought it meant firetruck. But it meant my car. Everytime the car hit 0 I'd die and be like. OMFG CHEATERS!! But then I found out it meant your car and I killed the crooked cops. The ending was fun.

Please let this game be online free roam where you can kill anyone at anytime with snipers so it could be like a riot city.

And that dude up there looks so real. Graphics are :love:

[Xero]

Why?
Well, they're obviously going to be in the game already with air searches, so I don't see why not.

[Xero]

Please let this game be online free roam where you can kill anyone at anytime with snipers so it could be like a riot city.
From how it sounds, it'll probably be done the same way Crackdown is done, maybe with more players.

[Blitz]

Well, they're obviously going to be in the game already with air searches, so I don't see why not.
Well, I'm sure there will be planes in the sky as well. But if they're keeping planes unflyable because they're worried about realism, I don't see why copters would be available.

[Xero]

Helicopters are usually used for short trips, like, say, across a river or a city, planes are used for longer distances (usually).

[Blitz]

Yes, in the real world. This is a videogame, however.

[Xero]

In your last post you were arguing for realism, now you're arguing against it?

[Blitz]

I'm not arguing anything. I'd love to have copters, planes, or both flyable. But I'm just saying that if one's not in, why would they have the other?

When Rockstar says realism, I'm guessing what they mean is they don't want to have to put in invisible walls in the sky to keep planes from flying wherever. Copters could do that just as easily, so why put them in?

[Xero]

I took it as you wouldn't see a plane fly across the city, but a helicopter you would.

It just makes sense to have copters in, especially since they have to have collision detection on them anyway (assuming that they're in for the police, which they probably are). If it's already in there, just adding controls and adding a few spawn points wouldn't hurt anything.

[Blitz]

There were copters for the police in GTA3 as well. But they weren't flyable.

[Mooияakeя™]

If they don't have planes due to the NY location, that's cool. Just respect really from R*.

I do hope they'll have choppers though, because I'm hoping this is gonna be ONE BIG MASSIVE HUUUUGE GAME! WOOP-WOOP!

And that cars will move out the way when you pap ur horn at them. Nitrus was a stupid idea when ur blazing away then a car just turns into you randomly. Plain annoying. But ach, nothing near to them. Love these games.

[DS]

I do hope they'll have choppers though, because I'm hoping this is gonna be ONE BIG MASSIVE HUUUUGE GAME! WOOP-WOOP!
They said it would be close to the size of San Andreas. So it will be big, but not anything beyond.

I really can't see them putting in helicopters this time. Not many people know how to hijack a helicopter and I see them using this as a valid point against them. Plus, they're going to have trains and subways which will probably be used to get you from one side of the city to another. So I'll rephrase that first sentence and say that I can see them putting them in, but I don't think they will.

[Blitz]

Strange to think that it will be as big as San Andreas, but with no countryside or desert or anything. Just one massive city.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well, this is just fucking great...fucking just beat the game not even a full 3 days ago, and now the piece of shit says "Load Failed! Now restarting game." And I figure it's either the enormity of the amount of cheats I used, and still continued to save despite the warning, or the fact that I switched into a cop outfit and saved, which I don't know how that would cause it, but I had heard that Madd Dogg (as you're getting closer to the Los Santos return missions) mission likes to mess up on people who use cheats on it to beat it, but it didn't give me that error until after I had beaten the game...*SIGH* oh well, such is life, guess I'll just wait for GTA IV, as I can no longer try to satisfy my GTA craving with crap like VCS...

[Reavant]

Well, this is just fucking great...fucking just beat the game not even a full 3 days ago, and now the piece of shit says "Load Failed! Now restarting game." And I figure it's either the enormity of the amount of cheats I used, and still continued to save despite the warning, or the fact that I switched into a cop outfit and saved, which I don't know how that would cause it, but I had heard that Madd Dogg (as you're getting closer to the Los Santos return missions) mission likes to mess up on people who use cheats on it to beat it, but it didn't give me that error until after I had beaten the game...*SIGH* oh well, such is life, guess I'll just wait for GTA IV, as I can no longer try to satisfy my GTA craving with crap like VCS...
u have to cheat over 100 times for the madd dogg mission to fuck u up... and after it u can cheat all u want

[Just John]

There were copters for the police in GTA3 as well. But they weren't flyable.

That was because of development issues, same applies bikes. There is a rumour, that says that the reason there are no planes is because of the 9/11 incident. A few things said in the Gameinformer special that DS didn't mention:

-The new way of entering cars is to elbow in the window, and open the car from the inside, then hotwire the car, no work involved though, its just an animation.

-There is a new level of freedom; instead of the going to someone to get a mission, you can use the phone to call up contacts and use meet points.

-Geographically, the map will be smaller than San Andreas, but there wont be vast stetches of wasted land (this does not rule out countryside)

-Dont expect to see Bellic driving vehicles that do not match his character (Rollerskates, skateboards, pogo sticks etc.)

[Just John]

Weapon, Money, armour and health cheats wont cause Madd Dogg to jump off the building, however, a large amount of the other cheats will cause him to jump off without having a chance to save him.

Oh and some missions dissallow cheats, like the Ran Fa Li mission in the 4x4, if you put the health cheat in to repair the car, the back of it pops off and its mission failed.

I think we'll see Helicopters, you could always find them on the roof of expensive properties or police stations. I think the thing with the planes was because of it doesn't really match up on Bellics character and they wanted to improve that. Like CJ flying a jetpack, I can imagine Niko driving Bikes, Cars, Boats, Helicopters, Mabye even trains. But not planes, besides, they'll probably be just one airport, which makes flying and landing a bit pointless.

[94 SVT Cobra]

Can't say I'm upset about the lack of planes. The flight lessons in San Andreas are headache-inducing. I will miss planes randomly crashing into the middle of the street though.

God that WAS fun to watch lol.

[94 SVT Cobra]

Also i think this game is REALLY gonna recapture the feeling the Orginal GTA gave you when you played it, i just get that feeling lookin at the pics. I know most of you GOT to knwo what i mean when you think about it if you played the first GTA on PS/PC

[MTH15]

I am in a situation now to buy a PS3. I have 2 options of high schools I can go to. If I go to Mckinley Tech I will wear uniforms and will not have to pay for clothes. If I go to Roosevelt I will have to pay 700$ for clothes. I want a PS3 bad. :lol: Who knows maybe it will come out on PS2 later. And I'll miss having a black character for San Andreas. Hope its not too different.

[DS]

Yeah, it's not coming out on PS2. Only thing it will come out for later is PC. And maybe a different version for Wii.

[The Fugitive]

God that WAS fun to watch lol.

Tell me about it. The first time I ever loaded up San Andreas, within about 5 minutes of the game, I was at the hospital near your house walking around when this plane just nose-dived straight into a nearby car.

I jumped around 3 feet in the air. :(

[MTH15]

Lol, I always tried to shoot down planes. I dont think GTA: 4 will be as interesting if its in Liberty City.....is it?

[Just John]

Tell me about it. The first time I ever loaded up San Andreas, within about 5 minutes of the game, I was at the hospital near your house walking around when this plane just nose-dived straight into a nearby car.

I jumped around 3 feet in the air. :(

Ah, Planes randomly crashing was the shit. I remmber on the 'Madd Doggs Rhymes' mission, going up to his home in the hills felt like a complete trek, and as I was going up the hill I heard this really weird sounding plane, I look back and the fucker crashes right into a Taxi behind me, made me fucking jump.

Also, I had an AMAZING pic stored on my ingame gallery: I was doing the Photo ops in San Fierro, and I was taking the picture of the Towers in foster valley, and a plane with smoke pouring out of it, flew right between the towers straight at me, I saved the pic which looked incredible, then ran down the hill I was standing on to avoid it.

It tried to go over the hil but it was smoking and didn't make it, so it crashed back down and blew up, and the burned out chassis was grinding down the hill, with me running away from it indiana jones style. One of my greatest GTA moments. :D

Another one, was when I was in the countryside and I got the Hippy Van (Camper) and took it to the top of the hill and slowly pushed it to the edge. Just as it is about to start going down the hill, I jump on the roof and crouch down to 'surf' on it. I've done this a few times, but one particular time, as It was going down the hill, there was a small river with a jump formed from a slope of grass. I managed to stay on the van as it went over the little river. So cool. I'm gonna post some GTA videos here.

[Just John]

These are from a guy named Ning who never lets anyone rate his videos but even so they are fucking incredible, much better than the average stunt vids. This is a video dedicated to Hydra (the jump jet) stunts. 1:36 onwards is AMAZING

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This is him messing around with satchel charges (sticky bombs)

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[Just John]

Another amazing fun thing to do on 2-Player, is to out the 'Cars Float When Hit' cheat on, then make sure you and the othe have katanas/whatever weapon you want. Hit a parked car, then jump on the roof, wait till you are floating really high up then start to fight to the death, its amazing, especially when you both have parachutes.

[MTH15]

That was so fucking nice and funny lol. Where was the first explosion at?

[Funky Fly]

Got to admit, that was kinda sexy.

[Just John]

On the top of a triangular shaped building on the second Island, its opposite one of the clucken bell chicken places.

[MTH15]

O aight thanks. What if the character cant swim. And I want to create someone.

[el fregadero]

You'll more than likely be able to swim, unless Rockstar is hardcore about the realism and don't want the invisible wall in the ocean, in which case there would have to be no boats as well.

[MTH15]

O, because it was fun jacking boats. Lol

[Just John]

Last time (San Andreas) there were no barriers, the sea just kept on coming and repeating itself.

[MTH15]

Like on Mario 64. There were these stairs and if you kept running up these stairs and didn't have enough stars the stairs would keep going.

[Mr Regal]

I only used one cheat in SA while playing through, and that was to make a hovercraft or boat appear. I chased whats his face out to sea, but took way to long to kill the dick. By the time I ended him my boat decided to blow up leaving me stranded. I think i swam for about half an hour, and the SA map still looked mainly blue:lol: That was pretty booooorrrrriiiiing

[Just John]

There is a strange glitch in the system, in which flying out to the infinate sea for hours mcovers the whole map in gang territories like Los Santos, which means Ballas in the desert :-\

I tried it once and didn't like it so I just reset my game.

[KingofOldSchool]

$5 says the shootings at Virginia today will give Jack Thompson mroe reason to bitch and moan about this game.

[DS]

Jackie T just gave some long interview about the history of shootings and video games.

[MTH15]

Yea I remember when I had to fly to Liberty City.

[Blitz]

Turns out Xero was right. Copters are in. That and a bunch of other questions and answers here.

http://www.destructoid.com/gta-iv-your-questions-answered-31170.phtml#ext

[Mr Regal]

HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHICKS IN THE GAME BEING HOTTTTTTTTT:foc:

[Xero]

Boo ya.

[The Fugitive]

A Canadian Asks: I just wanted to know when GTA IV for Xbox 360 will be in stores in Quebec, Canada.

Nope. Rockstar specifically told me that Quebec is the one location on earth that won’t be getting GTA IV. Actually, I have no idea. Call your store to find out..

:lol:

[D Mac]

I read somewhere that you have to break the back window to get into some cars.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Ok, some slightly detailed info to whet your appetites...A lot of the sights in LC will be presumably exactly the same or very similar to their real-life NYC counterparts. Examples:

∙ The MetLife® building is the Getalife building in-game,
∙ The Statue of Liberty is the Statue of Happiness in-game
∙ The overpass known as DUMBO (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass) will be known as BOABO (Beneath the Offramp of the Algonquin Bridge Overpass).
∙ There will be 4 boroughs: Algonquin (Manhattan), Broker (Brooklyn), Dukes (Queens), Bohan ([The] Bronx), as well as New Jersey (Alderney in-game.)

Wish I had more, but that's all I could dig up for now, do hope you appreciate the find if it isn't already old news to you all.:cool:

[Xero]

How big is Jersey going to be? And how is it going to cut off? Because, while it does make sense, I don't know what one or two Jersey cities would do.

Probably going to be Newark, if it's just one city.

[DAMN iNATOR]

How big is Jersey going to be? And how is it going to cut off? Because, while it does make sense, I don't know what one or two Jersey cities would do.

Probably going to be Newark, if it's just one city.

Dunno. If I was Sam Houser or somebody with RockStar or Take-Two Interactive, I could probably tell ya, but as it stands now, you and me both have no idea, bud. Sorry.:|

[Xero]

It was more of a rhetorical question...

[DS]

Ok, some slightly detailed info to whet your appetites...A lot of the sights in LC will be presumably exactly the same or very similar to their real-life NYC counterparts. Examples:

∙ The MetLife® building is the Getalife building in-game,
∙ The Statue of Liberty is the Statue of Happiness in-game
∙ The overpass known as DUMBO (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass) will be known as BOABO (Beneath the Offramp of the Algonquin Bridge Overpass).
∙ There will be 4 boroughs: Algonquin (Manhattan), Broker (Brooklyn), Dukes (Queens), Bohan ([The] Bronx), as well as New Jersey (Alderney in-game.)

Wish I had more, but that's all I could dig up for now, do hope you appreciate the find if it isn't already old news to you all.:cool:
No offense, but I don't see how that would "whet anyone's appetite". And, yes, it is pretty old news. Been known ever since the release of the trailer.

[DS]

Reports are that the Official Playstation Magazine UK are announcing that a female main character will become playable half way through the game.

[Just John]

Nah, not playable. I've seen the OPM scans and apparently: No character customisation, except I've realised that he wears different clothes in different screenshots.

Scans are on their way


http://www.playthree.net/2007/04/gta-iv-secret-woman-revealed-elizabeta.html Thats about the woman in the game

[Just John]

http://www.ottae.com/images/iv/1.jpg
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Scans of OPM magazine, pretty good read. I took these scans from some guy on GTAF

[Kane Knight]

∙ There will be 4 boroughs: Algonquin (Manhattan), Broker (Brooklyn), Dukes (Queens), Bohan ([The] Bronx), as well as New Jersey (Hades in-game.)

[DS]

Crap. I meant to link to the article but I guess I forgot to paste it. They said it was playable there but I didn't think that sounded right.

http://www.1pstart.com/breaking-gta-iv-to-feature-female-main-character-other-exclusive-info/

[Xero]

Haha, we just got a pizza here and the box is an ad for GTA IV. (The "IV" is on the top.)

:cool:

[tucsonspeed6]

Careful.... That pizza could potentially make you more prone to kill cops and stuff.

[Xero]

Nah, but I did get a hankering to get a hooker, go out for "coffee" :naughty: and then beat her with a dildo for my money.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Nah, but I did get a hankering to get a hooker, go out for "coffee" :naughty: and then beat her with a dildo for my money.


...which is much more fun than, say driving into a narrow alley somewhere in Liberty City, and then getting paid for it, yet killing the bitch for whatever other funds she may have.:D

[DS]

Here's an update from the Official Xbox Magazine:

* According to the magazine, GTA IV is currently 66% complete.
* When Niko pulls out a pistol, a crosshair with a simple black cross within a circle shows up on the screen. This could be an indication of manual aiming being available in the game.
* Rockstar's humorous take on the number 69 makes an appearance yet again in GTA IV, the editors of the magazine saw a sign for a "69th Street Diner". Another building called "Twitchins", the GTA version of Brooklyn's Domino's Sugar Factory, is in the game.
* Niko will be able to climb and descend exterior fire escapes and some meetings will take place high in the office buildings of skyscrapers. It's said that from on top of them you'll be able to throw people off.
* Hand to hand combat is also being reworked on for GTA IV, and will feel "much more natural" than before.
* One of the radio stations includes an "Eastern European-sounding" dancing station.
* Players will be able to change their camera views whilst in a car according to their needs. This however is said to still being experimented on, and that Rockstar want to give better control and "immediacy" to players.


* When selecting your mobile phone, a zoomed-in version of the mobile screen pops up in the bottom right-hand corner of the screen, where you can use its address book to pitch for "jobs" with gang contacts among other things.
* One of the things that makes it easier for Rockstar setting GTA in a fictional New York is that they sometimes get a call from the developers at Rockstar North in Scotland, wanting to know more about a specific building or traffic flow in a certain area, for instance, and using their in-house researchers in NYC they can easily assist the guys back at R* North.
* Dan Houser is quoted saying that the Liberty City in GTA IV is bigger than any single city they've done before, giving a more clear indication of the physical size of the game. He continues saying that the "detail" of the game is the big thing.
* He also confirms Central Park to be in the game, though it's fictional name is still unknown to us.
* Dan says that they're "certainly evolving the way the radio works". He says the same for police behaviour and their reaction to crimes. Nothing further is said about this...
* For confirmation, boats will be making a return and the handling is "really nice".
* "Fun ridiculous" weapons is said to be in the game, because R* is not going too "naturalistic".

[DAMN iNATOR]

* "Fun ridiculous" weapons is said to be in the game, because R* is not going too "naturalistic".

So in other words, the weapons aren't going to be as realistic, but a bit more cartoony this time around or something? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what they're actually trying to say here.

[Xero]

I hope they have something like CQC for hand to hand.

[Xero]

So in other words, the weapons aren't going to be as realistic, but a bit more cartoony this time around or something? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what they're actually trying to say here.
I think they're saying there will be ridiculous weapons in the game, like some sort of a disintegrator (to be extreme) or the BFG along with regular AKs, pistols etc.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I think they're saying there will be ridiculous weapons in the game, like some sort of a disintegrator (to be extreme) or the BFG along with regular AKs, pistols etc.

Hmm...guess we'll see how it works. Maybe throw in a shrink-ray gun for good measure...:y:

[Xero]

I see it sort of like how the jetpack was in SA.

[The Fugitive]

Here's an update from the Official Xbox Magazine:

* Niko will be able to climb and descend exterior fire escapes and some meetings will take place high in the office buildings of skyscrapers. It's said that from on top of them you'll be able to throw people off.

Hahaha, I like the sound of that.

* "Fun ridiculous" weapons is said to be in the game, because R* is not going too "naturalistic".


I wonder if the GTA2 guns will make a return. Been so long since I've played it though, so it's hard to remember what they were.

I remember the Electrogun, but wasn't there a gun that shot out a green intelligent ray that actually bended and curved around to find an enemy?

[tucsonspeed6]

I thought they were going to make this one a bit more down to earth. Like how they weren't going to allow your character to fly helocopters because most people can't just hop in one and fly off. At the same time they're going to have "fun ridiculous" weapons?

That just doesn't make sense to me. If it's the case that you can go to the amunation and buy a gun that turns your enemy into a cute fuzzy bunny, but at the same time are limited in other ways to preserve "realism" I don't think I'd be able to get past that.

I'm going to have to wait for more details on that. :-\

[tucsonspeed6]

Actually, it occured to me last night right after I posted that above that the goofy guns is probably Rockstar's way of putting up some petty defense against the anti-videogame freaks out there. Kids can't go out shooting police with shrink rays if shrink rays don't exist.

Thinking about it that way, it kinda pisses me off. If that were the case, it's not a very good defense, and it's taking a part of the game away that I think is necessary. Having joke radio stations is one thing, but filling the game with Twisty Rockets or whatever is too distracting from the plot.

[DS]

Here's some more small updates:

# During the demo, Niko was seen approaching a bus stop. When he reached it, an icon appeared on-screen that enabled him to control the bus schedule. Is it possible to use the bus service similar to how you can with trains?
# When Niko pulls out a weapon, the camera positions itself above his shoulder, and a view-finder appears at the centre of the screen. It's possible to lock a target and move laterally to avoid incoming shots.
# Stealing a car can no longer be done simply by opening the door and driving off. Now it involves Niko approaching the car sneakily, breaking the glass with his elbow, using the injection cables to start the car, and only then can he use it.
# Niko can freely climb wherever possible (telephone poles, fire escapes etc.)
# Philip Glass, the author of the Grand Theft Auto 4 trailer music, will be involved in the production of GTA IV's soundtrack.
# The graphical improvements are clearly evident when walking over a grating on the sidewalk. You can see what is underneath it, and the light trickles realistically around the iron bars.

* During the demo, when Niko passed an ATM machine a message appeared on the screen indicating a button to press in order to access his funds. Nothing more official is discussed about this, though it would appear that you'll likely be able to deposit and withdraw money from the various ATM machines across the game.
* As part of GTA IV's new physics, you'll be able to hear/feel the base of vehicles passing by with their radio turned on.
* Rockstar says that the usual GTA driving controls have been tremendously tweaked and enhanced.
* When selecting a contact on your mobile phone, a list of several commands are made available to the player, such as "meet me here" etc.
* Playing the single player game through co-operative mode is not possible, however there will be a co-op mode in addition to all the other unknown multiplayer modes.
* According to Dan Houser, VP of Creative for Rockstar Games, they haven't yet figured out if GTA IV is going to spark off another set of GTA games connected to it, and they're currently just focusing on this single game. He does say he "would have a certain confidence" setting GTA outside the United States, such as England in the future.
* When asked about a San Andreas Stories for the PSP, he replies saying that they don't have any plans for that at the moment, suggesting that they likely haven't started at all on another GTA PSP title.

[DAMN iNATOR]

# Stealing a car can no longer be done simply by opening the door and driving off. Now it involves Niko approaching the car sneakily, breaking the glass with his elbow, using the injection cables to start the car, and only then can he use it.

So, one thing that doesn’t clear up is whether or not you only have to do this with parked vehicles, or if it applies to people driving around also, which obviously you wouldn’t have to start an already moving car, unless they make it to where the drivers shut off their cars before you pull them out requiring you to hotwire it, and also, I kind of wonder how you'd go about stealing a motorcycle...

* When asked about a San Andreas Stories for the PSP, he replies saying that they don't have any plans for that at the moment, suggesting that they likely haven't started at all on another GTA PSP title.

Come on, you mean to tell me that R* doesn’t even know if they’re making a San Andreas Stories game for PSP?:rofl:, I don’t buy it for a second!

[DS]

Well seeing as how there isn't anything on a San Andreas Stories, I would assume that what they said would mean they don't have any plans on making one right now. So...they know that they aren't...right now.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well seeing as how there isn't anything on a San Andreas Stories, I would assume that what they said would mean they don't have any plans on making one right now. So...they know that they aren't...right now.

Yeah...I just found it comical how they could say that they “likely” hadn’t started development of another PSP title, because either you are or you aren’t, and you’d just think they’d do the obvious, and tell the reporter, “We are absolutely NOT, under any circumstances, at this point in time developing any new GTA games for the PlayStation® Portable™.”

That’s all I was trying to say, but I think it’s safe to say that your explanation is correct.

[DS]

I believe the "likely haven't started at all" was just a paraphrase by the person reporting the article from the website. Meaning he probably just worded what the article stated in a misleading fashion. I'm sure the actual article says that they haven't started a new PSP game.

[tucsonspeed6]

I hope that mini game isn't going to be necessary to steal all cars. Some of the time would be ok, but if I was in the middle of a mission and had to grab a car quick, I'd be pissed if my mark was driving off into the sunset and I was stuck playing "Simon" type memory games or something stupid like that.

Minigames are over used these days I think.

[DS]

Where did you get mini-games from?

[DS]

http://files.gtanet.com/images/3285.jpg


There will be several different animation sets for breaking into a car, so far we know one of them includes Niko breaking the glass of the window with his elbow, then starting the car using the injection cables. We know there probably isn't a lot of different other ways Niko can do this, but we suspect it will involve dynamic animations, and for instance Niko sometimes becoming suspicious in the middle of hotwiring a car, looking around to see if anyone suspects what he's doing, then continuing. Rockstar previously said they want the animations to look less "canned", so this would fit well with that goal.
According to the article, Rockstar are using less non-realistic elements than previous GTA games, such as arrows and markers assisting and indicating things to the player. We already know the in-game mobile phone will play a big part in replacing some of these things, so perhaps we might see other helpful gadgets such a GPS system, though that is just speculation.
One of the ideas going into development is to give every street in the game a name, which could be displayed on-screen when you enter it by foot or car. This feature is yet to be decided on, along with the previously revealed information piece about Rockstar still deciding whether the entire city will be accessible from the start, or if different areas will be inaccessible by way of cordoning off bridges and such.
When R*'s Dan Houser was asked about the differences between the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions, he replied saying that it is their goal to have none, and that there are no platform preferences, both are difficult to develop on. For now, we take this as to have nothing to do with the extra downloadable content.
Speaking of which, he further says that they're not sure what exactly will be offered through additional content downloads. He says that maybe some things will be free, and others offered at a price.
By all means we'll only do things [through downloads] that really serve the game. Simply pulling 5 dollars out of someone's pocket - that's too cheesy for me.

[CSL]

I hope that mini game isn't going to be necessary to steal all cars. Some of the time would be ok, but if I was in the middle of a mission and had to grab a car quick, I'd be pissed if my mark was driving off into the sunset and I was stuck playing "Simon" type memory games or something stupid like that.

Minigames are over used these days I think.

<font color=white>This is true but you aren't gonna have to break windows and hotwire cars if you're jacking somebody.</font>

[tucsonspeed6]

<font color=white>This is true but you aren't gonna have to break windows and hotwire cars if you're jacking somebody.</font>

Then that should be ok. I wouldn't mind it every once in a while, but every time would suck.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Ok, so apparently, unsurprising as it may be, there will be a “Special Edition” version of GTA IV. Details from http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/907/907969.html had this to say:


The Grand Theft Auto IV Special Edition is presented in a customized Grand Theft Auto metal safety deposit box. The box contains a GTA IV artbook, a CD soundtrack, a keychain, and a limited edition duffle bag.

Make of it what you will, just thought I’d let you all know...