Lost - Season 5 - Someone get Jack a drink!

[CSL]

I was skimming a world history book last night at my girlfriends place while she was messing around online, found this guy and a short bio in it, thought people might find this guy as very interesting as I have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micheal_Faraday

There are quite a few references like this. Look up Rousseau, Locke, Abbadon, Alpert etc. I know I'm missing some too.

[XL]

Soooooooooooo excited! And I bet my net goes down tomorrow before I get a chance to watch it!

In fact, does anyone know of anywhere I can get a live stream for it?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Big night tonight

Someone is gunna die. I'm betting its Hurley.

Dear God, I hope not.

I'm thinking Juliet for some reason. Maybe Sayid?

[thedamndest]

Juliet set up us the bomb.

[redoneja]

What a total mindfuck.

[Reavant]

well i guess everyone died

[Loose Cannon]

THEY'RE COMING

[thedamndest]

I've never seen the guy that played Jacob, but he could pass for Steve McQueen, Jr.

[redoneja]

He played Hulk Hogan's little brother in No Holds Barred.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

God dammit I can't wait till 2010. That is sooooooo long.

[redoneja]

God dammit I can't wait till 2010. That is sooooooo long.

For real. And I have so many ideas about what went down but I'm not sure if I want to even bother thinking about them until January.

[thedamndest]

I can't wait to hear what songs they will put in season six.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I know whatever theories I come up with about what happened with the bomb will be completely wrong so why even bother? I was so certain that they couldn't change the future but now I don't have a fucking clue.

[RoXer]

Who says carrying out Faraday's plan's is what is going to STOP the past events from happening.

Maybe it's what will sstart them.

Good one Miles

[RoXer]

Sun is with "Locke" and Jacob.

It would be hard to explain her landing in LA.

So they'll probly dive more into the Jacob/Locke backstory.

Meaing Sun would still have to be there.

Meaning no future change.

[RP]

WTF WTF WTF

They should have let Juliett die like she died. That was moving stuff. But i guess its ok. They're still gunna crash on the island i'm sure. I thought for sure Hurley was dead. I thought the bomb didnt blow so Hurley would belly flop from 2000 feet right on top of it.

[XL]

JANUARY?? 2010??

What happened to an Fall start? Or did this season start in January too? It probably did thinking about it!

[ClockShot]

- I'll probably catch flak for this. But that had to be the tackiest, if not worst ending of the season yet. They should have either A. Let the bomb go off when Jack dropped it. Or B. Play it off as defective, Sayid rigged it up wrong, the 2 hour window closed. Somehow work it into next season and leave them figuring out the next step.

But no, Juliet with the last bit of life in her, after falling down a shaft a few hundred meters deep, with crane debris going in after her and missing her, whacks the bomb with a mere rock. And boom goes the dynamite. It could have been done better.

- Hey. Mr. Wint from Diamonds are Forever showed up as Jacob. At least that's who I thought it was. Would have loved some background on him since he's been around when pirates and/or explorers were sailing the seas.

- So which one is it? Is John Locke Cylon model #7? Or a spirit like Starbuck? I was totally thinking BSG at the end of that episode. And that turn of events at the statue was how the show, IMO, should have ended.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Completely in shock now and have no clue as to where they will go from here. I've gotta agree with ClockShot though about the Juliet ending. I mean, that scene where she fell was great stuff and really sad, and then they throw that away by having her wake up more or less fine 10 minutes later.

Other than that though, epic stuff.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, but is Juliet really dead? A hydrogen bomb just went off. Wouldn't Jack and everyone else be dead as well? Or did the hydrogen bomb going off totally fuck with the island and they are all still alive.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't have a problem with the Juliet thing. We've seen multiple times where someone on the island can't die until they've served their purpose.


And honestly, if you're complaining about something being too over the top, I don't think Lost is the show for you.

[loopydate]

As far as Juliet not dying from the fall - If the things that fell down the shaft hit the bottom hard, the bomb would have gone off. For whatever reason, I think she and the bomb both had a fairly smooth landing at the bottom. Whether that's a result of the electromagnetism or just the Island defending itself, I think that's why it happened the way it did. The debris and things formed sort of a cocoon around her, which leads me to think that something about the specific part where they landed is significant and we'll find out more in January.

I think Juliet is probably dead, but I don't think the explosion made its way up to the surface, meaning the radiation and electromagnetism is still down in the Swan, which means Dharma will need to cover it with some sort of device (a hatch, if you will) to keep it from infecting the rest of the Island. It also keeps with the hatch people assuming that anyone on the outside is infected, because every time they push the button, it releases electromagnetism and H-bomb radiation into the atmo.

Plus, the swerve at the end about John was phenomenal, but now I need to read up on my Egyptian mythology to figure out who he could be. Is "John" Anubis, judging Jacob for what he's done on the Island? So, does that make Smokey the crocodile/lion/hippo Amit? Or is "John" Amit, Jacob Anubis, and Smokey something else entirely? Or is the significance of the Egyptian symbolism something else entirely and I'm pushing my brain too hard to tie it into the Jacob/"John" story?

God, I love this show!

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I think they probably flashed to 2007 with Sun, Frank, Ilana etc. But who knows anything with Lost. Like Supreme said it's probably pointless theorizing.

[XL]

What did Richard say to Illana on the beach?

[Hanso Amore]

The They that are coming are the Losties from 77...all of whom were personally "selected" by Jacob...

Wow, what a mind fuck with Locke...he really is dead. "He" is the other guy from the beginning....who is he? WTF!

Im trying to still come up with ideas. But why didnt Sun go back in time? Im trying to wrap my head around the groups and shit, but she has really served no purpose this season.

[CharismaInjection]

Anyone else feel quite sad that the real Locke is dead? and his whole life was a real tragedy.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

What did Richard say to Illana on the beach?

It was latin and roughly translates to "He who will save us all"

[redoneja]

Yea, I'm thinking that the white flash at the end of the episode was a time shift instead of the bomb. However, I feel as if Juliet won't show up with the rest of of the group because she was the only one not visited by Jacob in her flashback. Even Illana was visited by Jacob.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah I was thinking that the "they" that Jacob was referring to was the people he touched and we're going to get an all out war of the losties plus Ilanas group against this enemy of Jacob.

I do think it was significant aswell that jacob didn't visit Juliet in her flashback, because I highly doubt that flashback scene was there for the sole purpose of giving her the mindset that while two people can love eachother, they may not be meant to be together.

[XL]

Am I right in thinking that Sun was not "touched" by Jacob? Perhaps that is why she is still in "present day" rather than shooting back to the past?

Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, etc were all touched and all ended up back in the 70's.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Am I right in thinking that Sun was not "touched" by Jacob? Perhaps that is why she is still in "present day" rather than shooting back to the past?

Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, etc were all touched and all ended up back in the 70's.

Just checked that and he touched both Sun and Jin at their wedding.

[Loose Cannon]

wtf, who are these Losties you speak of?

[redoneja]

He was touched Locke in a flashback but we don't know the significance of that yet as the true Locke appears to be dead.

[redoneja]

wtf, who are these Losties you speak of?

Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Hurley, etc. I guess you could potentially add Miles and Juliet to the list since they were with them in '77.

[Loose Cannon]

is Losties a name you guys came up with or what? I've never heard that before reading it here

[Corporate CockSnogger]

it's been a name that's been around since season 1 for fans I think. Aswell as tailies for the tail section survivors like Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia etc.

[Loose Cannon]

got ya :y:

[Loose Cannon]

just thought of something

were all these "dead people" or "ghosts" that appeared over the course of the seasons just this unnamed man who tricked Ben into killing Jacob? From Christian Shepard, to Walt, to Charlie to Alex and many more. These "ghosts" could of all been this dude. And this guy has basically used everyone and has set up everything over the course of 5 seasons to fullfill his ultimate goal of killing Jacob.

[Requiem]

just thought of something

were all these "dead people" or "ghosts" that appeared over the course of the seasons just this unnamed man who tricked Ben into killing Jacob? From Christian Shepard, to Walt, to Charlie to Alex and many more. These "ghosts" could of all been this dude. And this guy has basically used everyone and has set up everything over the course of 5 seasons to fullfill his ultimate goal of killing Jacob.

This is what I was thinking. The way their conversation went at the beginning leads me to believe that these two men have been fighting with eachother for who knows how long. The man in black said something about how they always come, always destroy, always corrupt.. etc.. like it has happened before.

Is the man in black the smoke monster? I was thinking about it.. perhaps they can't kill eachother directly. It seems like maybe Jacob kept the man in black as his prisoner. Maybe he was trying to get a series of events to happen that would kill the man once and for all. Ben was supposed to be his way of killing the man. Instead, the man appeared to Locke as Christian and told him he had to die. I think perhaps he was the one all along who created these images of people, in order to steer them other directions. Just as planned, Locke dies, the other people come back.. He comes back as Locke. He convinces Ben to believe everything John says, and gets him to kill Jacob. But... Jacob said "you have a choice" indicating that this didn't have to be the end. Maybe this particular event wasn't predestined. After all, in the beginning, he says there are many events in the middle, but only one end. And while Ben still killed Jacob, Juliet blew up the bomb, which could essentially either reset things, or just affect things in the future just as they'd already happened.

idk.. show just took a huge turn, and I like it. I just want to know more about the man in black and Jacob.

Also, I think Richard is from the Black Rock.

Edit: Also, about the other people making appearances... Jacob told Hurley he wasn't crazy.. Is he causing them to appear, or is the man in black?

[Loose Cannon]

yes, exactly. lots of questions.

by the way, I am trying to explain this to someone right now. Why did Ben kill John again?

[Requiem]

I think Ben killed John thinking bam.. he'd be dead. Of course, John was suddenly alive on the island, which surprised him. He got the information he needed from him, and didn't need him anymore, and viewed him as a threat (he always disliked John), so he killed him.

Now though, I am wondering if he killed him because he'd been told do or something. I dunno, maybe not.. but this does raise a lot of questions. This brings up shit that happened way back even. Like the old man in the cabin from way back. Was that the man in black, simply held prisoner by Jacob for so many years or something?

[thedamndest]

Seems like Jacob touched the Losties and set their lives on a course that would take them to the island. With Kate he paid for the lunch box and so the cops weren't called at a young age and she kept on stealing. With Sawyer he gave him the pencil that allowed him to finish the letter. With Hurley he convinced him he was blessed and that he should be on the plane. With Sayid he distracted him long enough for his wife to get injured and she was taken to the place where a suicide bomber would eventually kill her. At Sun an Jin's wedding he showed up and said not to take each other's love for granted, which they do, so I'm guessing that has something to do with sowing "strange feelings" in the marriage at that early stage. I forget what he does with Jack besides give him a candy bar.

[Loose Cannon]

yes, also was I was thinking this morning. With Jack, didn't he say something like "all we need is a little push sometimes." to Jack.

[thedamndest]

That sounds right. I guess with Jack he wouldn't have had to do that much since his issues with his dad were pretty much going to play out how they did and Jack would be on the plane anyhow.

I left out Locke. It's unclear as to whether or not Jacob actually saved John's life after the fall, or just offered him some comforting words.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

just thought of something

were all these "dead people" or "ghosts" that appeared over the course of the seasons just this unnamed man who tricked Ben into killing Jacob? From Christian Shepard, to Walt, to Charlie to Alex and many more. These "ghosts" could of all been this dude. And this guy has basically used everyone and has set up everything over the course of 5 seasons to fullfill his ultimate goal of killing Jacob.
This would also explain why Locke had to die in order to save everyone which never made sense to me. Evil Locke told Richard to tell Good Locke he would have to die.

[LaLa]

Ugh they always kill off the female characters, I liked Juliet. :mad:

[LaLa]

Also I hope there was a reason why Sun wasn't flashed to 1977, and I hope it is explained soon, rather than a plot device to hold off the Jin and Sun reunion.

[thedamndest]

Soon as in the year 2010?

[LaLa]

I don't have much of a choice but wait until then. :'(

[Requiem]

Reading a lot of theories about how the story has a lot in common with Jacob and Esau, the sons of Isaac and grandsons of Abraham from the Bible. People have even started referring to the man in black as Esau for short.

[Rob]

Where's Claire?

This sucked. This was the same being 15 years old about to fuck the hottest chick you know only to cum in your pants before you've even kissed her.... not that I'd know this :shifty:

[Blitz]

Wow. Best show on TV right now for fun.

[Blitz]

Read that Richard's response to the "What lies in the shadow of the statue" question was "He who will save us all" in Latin.

[Matt Gingarac]

People asking why Claire wasn't in the finale.... She was never meant to be in this season at all, even she said that after the season 4 finale last year.

But she is part of the main cast for next season....

Rose and Bernards Little Getaway....Looked a hell of a lot like jacobs cabin
if you disagree please take another look, the tree being right next to it.

okay i was wrong bout the cabin, just compared them they look alike but for the sake of that massive tree next to jacobs cabin

[Reavant]

well seeing how they would be at the cabin 30 years before it gets burned dowm... the tree had time to grow gigantic


it was the same cabin

[Reavant]

did you notice the painted picture of the yellow lab in laying on the floor when the girl was looking through the cabin?

[Requiem]

i am thinking rose and bernard are 'adam and eve', the two skeletons they found way back in that cave..

[thedamndest]

It wasn't the same cabin. Remember the dream Locke had where he imagined Horace (I think) building Jacob's cabin. There is an entirely separate storyline about how Jacob's cabin came into existence.

[Loose Cannon]

wow, with all the bible referances you guys are spouting off, maybe this entire show is about the Book of Genesis.

[Loose Cannon]

Locke is Moses leading his people to the promised land. lol

[Requiem]

Nah, real Locke is dead, IMO. I don't think he would have even been the leader of the others had fake locke not told richard that he would be, when he told richard to go save him when he was shot

[Reavant]

It wasn't the same cabin. Remember the dream Locke had where he imagined Horace (I think) building Jacob's cabin. There is an entirely separate storyline about how Jacob's cabin came into existence.

horace may have still built the cabin... what does that have to do with rose and bernard living in it and it being jacob's cabin 30 years later?

[Reavant]

They had the flashback of rose and bernard at the cabin then immediately went to present day at the cabin... its the same cabin

[Loose Cannon]

You two need to settle this in the OCTOGON!!!

[Requiem]

fyi, it's not jacob's cabin

[Requiem]

i mean that as in, the cabin in general.. not anything related to rose and bernard.. just that that is not jacob's cabin.. I think it was the man in black's. After all, the ash was around the cabin obviously keeping someone in, and jacob clearly lives under the statue

[El Fangel]

I just had a stunning realization.

Locke is not actually alive, he is still dead. The Locke we see is actually the smoke monster, who is impersonating him. The smoke monster has only ever impersonated dead people on the island and I am willing to bet that when Jack saw his dad, that was the smoke monster as well. If you think about this, you never see the smoke monster in season 5, save for a few times and Locke is never around. Remember when Ben was in the hole and Locke said he would be right back? He came back as Bens dead daughter.

Also, just thought about this, but I bet that the person we saw talking to Jacob at the start of the last episode was the smoke monster impersonating someone Jacob had killed.

Also the statue is of Tawere (Sp?) which is the egyptian goddess of pregnant women if I remember right, which would make sense given all the pregnancy things going on on the island.

Fuck talk about an epiphany

[Hanso Amore]

Locke is Moses leading his people to the promised land. lol

You laugh now!

[Hanso Amore]

I am so thrown though. I try not to get into the message board ideas of Lost, but they all make so much sense.

I wish we had 2 episodes with Jacob, because it just seems like we could, and SHOULD have so much more.

[Requiem]

I just had a stunning realization.

Locke is not actually alive, he is still dead. The Locke we see is actually the smoke monster, who is impersonating him. The smoke monster has only ever impersonated dead people on the island and I am willing to bet that when Jack saw his dad, that was the smoke monster as well. If you think about this, you never see the smoke monster in season 5, save for a few times and Locke is never around. Remember when Ben was in the hole and Locke said he would be right back? He came back as Bens dead daughter.

Also, just thought about this, but I bet that the person we saw talking to Jacob at the start of the last episode was the smoke monster impersonating someone Jacob had killed.

Also the statue is of Tawere (Sp?) which is the egyptian goddess of pregnant women if I remember right, which would make sense given all the pregnancy things going on on the island.

Fuck talk about an epiphany

Firstly, yes to the first bit. Not really an epiphany though.. well, maybe for you, but that is the general idea that's circulating through the theory circuit right now. As for the second paragraph... Eh, why? Why can't it be an actual person? Yes, I believe that person is the smoke monster, but I think that is actually him and that the smoke monster is just a form he had to take.

As for the statue. Taweret is portrayed as a fat hippo in her statues. Not a half human, half hippo, but a full, standing hippo. The statue on the island only has the head of an animal, but the body of a man.

I think it is a statue of the Egyptian god, Sobek. He was portrayed as either a man with the head of a crocodile, or a full crocodile at time.

But he was also a creation god, and there were myths in egyptian lore that he was the first god to come from the waters of chaos to create the world.

Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part. In this way, he was seen as a more primal god, eventually becoming regarded as an Avatar of the primal god Amun, who at that time was considered the chief god. When his identity finally merged, Amun had become merged himself with Ra to become Amun-Ra, so Sobek, as an avatar of Amun-Ra, was known as Sobek-Ra.

[Reavant]

yes i thought from the brief glimps I got of the full statue that the head was a crocodile

[Requiem]

He is also portrayed with four toes frequently.

[thedamndest]

One of my favorite parts about this season has been the lack of Jack. It's probably because the story is in so many places now with so many people, as well as Jack generally taking a backseat this season, but I was kind of getting sick of him rallying the troops and running the show in the first few seasons. Glad there is a new Jack.

Also, Lost does a great job of killing off people I don't like quickly, and then building up the deaths of people I do like. Ana Lucia, Libby, Frogurt, Arntz, Caesar, Boone, and Shannon, Naomi, for one reason or another I'm glad they're all dead. Charlie, Faraday, Mr. Eko, possibly Juliette :(. There's more but I feel like I've listed enough.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The statue had pointy ears though and gators don't have pointy ears.

Also, don't forget we saw that carving of Anubis and the smoke monster earlier this season. There could be some serious symbolism of having Anubis, the god of death, with his back turned to the island.

[Requiem]

See, I had thought about Anubis at first, but his statues always have distinctly large pointed ears due to him being a jackal, and he also has a very slender face. The mouth and ears though seem to indicate that it's something other than Anubis.

[Requiem]

See, in general this is how Anubis looks.
http://www.pushindaisies.com/candypress/ProdImages/mum_life_size_anubis_lg.jpg

Sobek

http://www.stuffemal.com/store/images/product/sobek_standing_large_ate339_prod.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well the ears aren't consistent with either statue then

[Requiem]

there are depictions of sobek with ears

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Sobek.svg/235px-Sobek.svg.png

http://www.biasci.com/polyorg/Sobek_idol.jpg

http://www.mstecker.com/images/egypt/southernnile/a3sobek1a2.jpg

[Requiem]

The smoke monster seems to be a ringer for Apep (Apophis), who was depicted as a snake/serpent. (Especially because of the image with Anubis):

http://www.getlostpodcastm<wbr>edia.com/wp-content/galler<wbr>y/5x12-glyphs/c-users-thad<wbr>-pictures-lost-season-5-5x<wbr>12-5x1200002.jpg (http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/wp-content/gallery/5x12-glyphs/c-users-thad-pictures-lost-season-5-5x12-5x1200002.jpg)

Apep was the “Destroyer of Souls” and in the Book of Overthrowing Apep, one of the ways to defeat him is to “defile him with the left foot.” Which foot of the statue is still there?

[Requiem]

Assuming they are even gods. I'm not so sure I like that theory so much. But they obviously are special.

[thedamndest]

This is from abc.com:

In an unknown room, we see a man dressed in white at a spinning wheel creating a tapestry with an intricate design containing Egyptian and Greek symbols. We cut to the man sitting on the beach cooking fish over a fire. It's morning, and on the horizon, out over the ocean, a large ship is sailing towards the island. Another man, this one dressed in black, walks over to the Man in White. The Man in Black asks why the Man in White brought the ship to the island -- is he still trying to prove the Man in Black wrong? The Man in Black says they come, fight, destroy, corrupt, and it always ends the same. The Man in White tells him it only ends once, and everything else is just... progress. The Man in Black says he wants to kill the Man in White, and one day he's going to find a loophole. The Man in White says he'll be right there. The Man in Black leaves and addresses the Man in White as Jacob. Yes, this is Jacob. The camera pulls back over the ocean, and we see they were sitting on the base of a giant stone foot. And next to the foot is another foot -- and both feet have four toes. And as the camera pulls back, we see what we've been waiting to see since we first glimpsed that four-toed foot over three years ago... the towering, majestic statue of the Egyptian goddess Taweret. And we clearly know we're a long time ago, so let's get the finale of season five started --

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648

[Requiem]

i can agree that the head looks like Taweret hands down, but really? Kinda dumb to have a body that looks nothing like Taweret. I mean look at this, and tell me if you see ANY resemblance whatsoever to the rest of her?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=taweret&sa=N&tab=wi&um=1

[thedamndest]

I guess they wanted to leave it ambiguous for awhile, or maybe Taweret didn't look as cool, or maybe they couldn't put a statue with floppy tits on tv.

[Requiem]

http://www.theoriesonlost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tawaret.jpg

I guess, and I really can't dispute it if ABC says that's who it is.. But body-wise it doesn't seem the same.

[Matt Gingarac]

And so the wait begins......

Can't wait to actually find out if Claire is dead or not, or we at least get the fill on what happened to her during season 5.

So what bout the eye for the promo of sason 6 eh?
and at the start of the finale when jacob is eating, he eats a red herring and that of course throws me of the destiny/free will theories.

one thing of course seasn six will start with jack's eye and the 2004 crash and something's will be different, very different

[CharismaInjection]

I don't believe that the future will have changed, cause if that were the case, Jacob would still be alive, as would Locke...so the finale would've been pretty pointless. I believe that 77 survivors will return to the present time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I just hope they don't do something where the bomb mixed with the energy created a black hole or something like that.

[The Destroyer]

Argh, this is going to be a hell of a wait. :(

I'd stake good money on the man in black/Fake Locke being the monster - makes sense given it was effectively the monster that told Ben to do what Locke told him. Also wouldn't be surprised if Christian was another manifestation of him/it, given that it was Christian that helped get Locke off the island.

Still doesn't explain why it was necessary for the Oceanic Six to return to the island though - clearly something Locke was also manipulated into doing. Maybe Miles had the right idea and they actually caused The Incident rather than preventing it, ensuring Flight 815 ended up crashing and ensuring that Jacob would eventually die. Guess we'll begin to find out in 8 months.

[Hanso Amore]

Remember when Ben went to the Monsters chamber, and there was the image of Smokey fighting the statue?

Man in Black = Smokey

Jacob = Statue

Opposing sides.

My guess is Jacob was worshiped as a god. That was the way he "appeared" to the people who worshiped him. Or maybe it is another form...I dunno.

What we see as Jacob and the Man in Black are just their Human forms. I bet they are godlike beings. Perhaps smokey is the Man in Blacks true form?


it does seem to be some form of Good vs Evil, Order vs Chaos, Fate Vs Free will thing.

I lean on the Fate vs Free Will.

The Fate side things humans will always be the same, war, chaos and corruption. Free Will (Jacob) thinks they can change.

[El Fangel]

Firstly, yes to the first bit. Not really an epiphany though.. well, maybe for you, but that is the general idea that's circulating through the theory circuit right now. As for the second paragraph... Eh, why? Why can't it be an actual person? Yes, I believe that person is the smoke monster, but I think that is actually him and that the smoke monster is just a form he had to take.

As for the statue. Taweret is portrayed as a fat hippo in her statues. Not a half human, half hippo, but a full, standing hippo. The statue on the island only has the head of an animal, but the body of a man.

I think it is a statue of the Egyptian god, Sobek. He was portrayed as either a man with the head of a crocodile, or a full crocodile at time.

But he was also a creation god, and there were myths in egyptian lore that he was the first god to come from the waters of chaos to create the world.

Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part. In this way, he was seen as a more primal god, eventually becoming regarded as an Avatar of the primal god Amun, who at that time was considered the chief god. When his identity finally merged, Amun had become merged himself with Ra to become Amun-Ra, so Sobek, as an avatar of Amun-Ra, was known as Sobek-Ra.

I dont read the theory circuits, only this thread. Anywho, cant wait to season 6. :)

[Dave Youell]

Has anyone considered that Jacob is god? And the man in black was the Devil?

[Hanso Amore]

Has anyone considered that Jacob is god? And the man in black was the Devil?

That is a pretty popular theory.

I think though because of all the Egyptian type themes, that your typical Christian God vs Devil scenario is out.

I think it will be very similar though.

[Dave Youell]

That is a pretty popular theory.

I think though because of all the Egyptian type themes, that your typical Christian God vs Devil scenario is out.

I think it will be very similar though.


Well they are the super good gods and bad gods.

Observe the man in black in his true form.

I present to you, the super devil!:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gpY3_lVRZE4/SDTFYUAHENI/AAAAAAAAAh0/v0bY8U7E9C8/s400/superdevil2.jpg

[Matt Gingarac]

Well they are the super good gods and bad gods.

Observe the man in black in his true form.

I present to you, the super devil!:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gpY3_lVRZE4/SDTFYUAHENI/AAAAAAAAAh0/v0bY8U7E9C8/s400/superdevil2.jpg

lmfao

[Impact!]

Damn! That was great...It's gonna be way to long till next season :(

Also has anyone else wondered where on earth the compass that Locke and Richard trade back and forth came from? (As richard gave it to Locke when his leg was being mended, and Locke gave it to Richard in the past...so on and so forth)

[XL]

I've already gone back to start watching from Season 1. Got me thinking about something that was spoken alot about a couple years ago...the producers said that there is something in the Pilot that we didn't spot/realise was significant.

What was it?

[Hanso Amore]

Lol what is that picture of?

[Matt Gingarac]

I've already gone back to start watching from Season 1. Got me thinking about something that was spoken alot about a couple years ago...the producers said that there is something in the Pilot that we didn't spot/realise was significant.

What was it?

the producers said there was a big hint during the pilot about what the shows about.

it was when locke and walt were gonna play backgammon and he says to walt"backgammon is a game of two sides, one is dark, the other is light"

this has been the ruccuring theme thru-out the show.

i think thats what u were on about.

[XL]

Well that's pretty shitty, tbh.

[Dave Youell]

Lol what is that picture of?

...The Super Devil!

[El Fangel]

I just want to throw this out here, incase by some inconceivable chance I am correct.

Locke has been dead for a long while before Ben "killed" him.

[The Destroyer]

That's maybe taking Lost theory-mongering too far. :p

It would just cheapen the character completely if it turned out we'd been watching someone impersonating him for 5 seasons. But then again, who knows what twist they'll surprise us with next...

[XL]

I can't see Locke having been dead before Ben's intervention tbh.

For one, if the speculation about 'The Man In Black' being the Smoke Monster is correct, then we know that the 2 have stood face to 'face'. Also, Locke has been through a lot of 'character building' experiences on the island that wouldn't make sense if it was happening to 'Fake Locke'.

[XL]

Anyways, I was thinking about Claire earlier.

At first I thought she had died when her house was blown up and that we were seeing her dead like we'd seen Yemi, Christian, etc. Then I figured that 'The Man in Black' had taken on her identity, until I remembered that she was with 'Christian' last time we saw her - taking that 'TMiB' has been Christian all along, then that can't be.

So, where is Claire? She's not in the cabin, we know that much. She's no longer with Christian (if TMiB was 'Christian' and is now 'Locke'). So where is she and what is she doing?

Also, considering that Kate went back to the island "to find Claire", she's done a piss poor job of it. At no point has she even mentioned it!