NFL 2009 Off Season Thread

[Hanso Amore]

You are only kind of retarded. If this was Chad Johnson, I might let you slide...But this is a guy that pushed against the grain on three separate occasions. Which brings me to my next point...



Basketball is a 15 man sport. It's barely a team sport nowadays, and I actually will defend the NBA to death. Football is a TEAM sport, and Owens is the epitome of selfishness.



Are you high? I actually know some guys in the league, but I'm not gonna throw that around like it means anything. D-Nabb lost his locker room because these guys were forced to pick sides, Was the blame to lie partially on Donovan's shoulders? Absolutely... But that doesn't absolve some fucking asshat that has decided that he's bigger then the game. If it wasn't for Andy, Tre and John would have been outta of there a long time ago. McNabb is an arrogant ass, but that certainly doesn't make Owens in the right.



Again, are you fucking high? For weeks Jeter has fielded questions about A-roid. His response...

No comment.

I know two words are confusing to jocks but...

While celebrities are under the microscope in the technology age, it's only magnified if that individual allows it. T.O doesn't only allow it, he feeds off that shit.



Firstly, u r retarder. T.O has as may championships as I do. Your entire argument is beyond terrible, but I'll face the actual bottom line...

"The Bills will be better"

You have no QB, your defense (which two years ago was solid) is suspect, and your line in dreadful. Now you have a receiver that drops more balls then he catches which might mean a damn if one of the best backs in the league doesn't get suspended for 6 games based on ridiculous decisions made in drunken moments.


It is a 7-9 team filling a glaring hole. How does it not make them better. Contenders? No. But the 25th ranked offense in the league is going to greatly improve. Bump that offense with TO last year, and the Bills would have held the AFC East Crown.

[Hanso Amore]

See the Eagles.

Then talk.

Ok. Ill take a Super Bowl Run.

Fucking idiot.

[Hanso Amore]

Also, I love how "He is a cancer! He WILL RUIN THE WORLD AGROGSJFSJIFJKSD"

This is a one year fucking deal. Even TO cant "RUIN" a franchise that quick.

I bet had he signed in NY, NE or Indy, you all would be sucking on his big black dick. You would be praising him, and how Manning, Bellichek, parcels Etc would be keeping him in line and it was a great move.


The Bills dropped 6.5 million, and they are now the center of the NFL universe. They are going to make a ton of money regardless of how this works out.

[Krimzon7]

Ok. Ill take a Super Bowl Run.

Fucking idiot.
Do you credit that run for saving McNabb's job? I thought Reid, McNabb, and company would be disbanded if they didn't go really deep in the playoffs.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Man, this thread got angry quickly.

[Hanso Amore]

Do you credit that run for saving McNabb's job? I thought Reid, McNabb, and company would be disbanded if they didn't go really deep in the playoffs.

Really Deep? They had just gone to like 4 NFC title games.

[Krimzon7]

How can you people not comprehend with your tumor-inflicted brains that most of these offseason transactions that take place usually mean absolutely, positively nothing? All I am hearing is this continuous white noise about how getting some linebacker or some corner automatically makes some crappy team a playoff contender. It doesn't, and it never will. Any success that a team may have during the regular season is entirely circumstancial and cannot be measured by these free agent acquisitions.

People can never seem to figure that part out. The only difference on this board at least is that there seem to be a couple of new morons spewing out additional bullshit.

This is the lure of the NFL...What island have you been on? This is when fans can look at a trade, or signing and fucking speculate!!! This is when hope springs eternal, and has us glued for the Draft, then Training Camp, and then the season!!! You're calling the FANS of the NFL morons, but how absolutely stupid do you come across trouncing in here and trying to shit in everybodies cereal???

[Krimzon7]

Really Deep? They had just gone to like 4 NFC title games.

Right, but there were grumblings in Philly man...Eagles fans had been booing Donovan out of the stadium, and calling for changes. I know their history,as I followed them when they had T.O. My best friend and his family are all Eagle fans. They'd been to 5 in 8 years right?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

T.O. doesn't even post here, and he's tearing the board apart.

I THOUGHT WE WERE A TEAM. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.

:shifty:

[Crimson]

lol

[RatedGSuperstar]

How can you people not comprehend with your tumor-inflicted brains that most of these offseason transactions that take place usually mean absolutely, positively nothing? All I am hearing is this continuous white noise about how getting some linebacker or some corner automatically makes some crappy team a playoff contender. It doesn't, and it never will. Any success that a team may have during the regular season is entirely circumstancial and cannot be measured by these free agent acquisitions.

This.

Out of all the major sports, the NFL free agency period is the most pointless. You don't build successful teams in the NFL through big name free agents -- it's how you get yourself into Salary Cap Hell. Individual players, even the best ones, aren't going to improve a team that much. Most NFL free agents are free agents for a reason -- they're either role players, washed up veterans trying to earn another paycheck, guys with serious red flags (injuries/criminal/psychological), or guys who are just about ready to start declining (and most NFL teams are very good at figuring out when to let someone go).

For the most part, good NFL teams don't go on a New York Yankees-like free agent binge. They build through the draft, pick up role players to fill holes, and figure out a system that works with the players they have. Who's more likely to stay with their new team longer, Albert Haynesworth or someone like Michael Boley?

[Hanso Amore]

Who said you build a team through Free Agency? You dont do that in any sport.

You get improvements and missing pieces through free agency.

You can find that one thing you are missing.

So what exactly is your point?

[#1-norm-fan]

T.O. did all he could. THere was a reason that so many young guys loved him. Owens taught them how to work, and how to be a pro. As Sam Hurd, ask the cornerbacks. The older guys had to respect that. And amazingly enough, TO has been proven right in every statemet he's made...

The polish has come off every quarterback that the media has defended. I can understand how you could agree and disagree with me, as TO is very polarizing.

I think that If T.O had a quarterback that could deliver and relate to him, he'd be fine. He never had a problem with Steve Young. I think if he had a Brady, or Warner, he'd be ok.

If he had a Brady or a Warner throwing to him, someone who has undenaibly achieved things TO has yet to achieve, I agree that it would be much MUCH more difficult for people to find something to nitpick about him. That's kinda the problem here.

Like I said, I like T.O. But I will disagree with you on the fact that he has been proven right on every statement he has made.

I don't find him to be any more selfish than most players in the league. He wants to help his team win and if his team doesn't win, he does tend to become frustrated and find a way to make excuses.

I'll bring up the example of the first Washington game last year which Dallas lost. After the game, T.O. made a big deal about not getting enough balls thrown his way... it was the most targets he ever had as a Dallas Cowboy.

[Krimzon7]

#1, after re-reading my anger filled rant, I should offer this. I agree with your statement about needing more targets. That was funny, but what else would you want your receiver to say? As far as dropped passes, I would attribute this stat to the whole Babe Ruth strike out analogy.


I understand that he makes statements that seem outlandish. I will counter your example in washington with one of my own.

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Does this look like a Team Obliterator??? Does Owens get credit for this statement? nope, he gets blasted and is labeled as fake...This is what angers me. The media paints T.O. as a heel, and they'll never credit him for the good he did for Romo and the Boys.

[McLegend]

That is the greatest thing ever.

[Krimzon7]

Really? What do you think about this? Did you mark out at the 51 second mark?

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[Krimzon7]

If I could find that last drive of the superbowl...But why don't we view this, classic McMoment.

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[McLegend]

Actually I did mark out.

[OssMan]

dats mah team mate

dats mah kota back

[VonErichLives]

good move by Buffalo, if he acts up you suspended him or cut him.

The upside is huge, the AFC East is riddled with small DB's... and putting TO across from Evans makes Evans better.

Everyone thought Moss was a cancer... we'll see about TO.

huge upside, small downside, good move.

[IC Champion]

good move by Buffalo, if he acts up you suspended him or cut him.

The upside is huge, the AFC East is riddled with small DB's... and putting TO across from Evans makes Evans better.

Everyone thought Moss was a cancer... we'll see about TO.

huge upside, small downside, good move.

Umm, you realize that Moss was only ever really a problem in Oakland. T.O has been a cancer for every team he's played.

I mean, he WANTED to be in Dallas, and look at how he behaved. He's a whiner, needs to be thrown to a certain number of times a game, and if he isn't, bitches about it. I liked him at first in Dallas, but the guy isn't a winner.

[IC Champion]

Also, who the fuck is going to get TO the ball in Buffalo? Are they planning on signing or drafting a real QB?

[Gonzo]

To be completely honest I don't see TO on the Bills as putting them over the hump. They will probably be a better offense in terms of production, but I'd still think they would be one and done in the playoffs.

I agree with DrA though, FA is so overblown. I like to see my favorite team add depth but if you're looking in FA for starters then thats a problem. Rarely can a player go in as a big name, be a starter and be that mythical missing piece.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I dunno about the whole TO thing. I mean yeah the guy's a douchebag but even douchebags can clean up their act. Plus he chose to go to Buffalo. And it's not like the allure of the city or the history of the franchise was a draw so obviously he thought there was something that he wanted to be a part of.

[SammyG]

Rams just picked up James Butler. WOO.

[Krimzon7]

I dunno about the whole TO thing. I mean yeah the guy's a douchebag but even douchebags can clean up their act. Plus he chose to go to Buffalo. And it's not like the allure of the city or the history of the franchise was a draw so obviously he thought there was something that he wanted to be a part of.

That sounds good, but I think the only thing he wanted to be a part of was a team that was paying hiim a wage.

[The Gold Standard]

I have a strange feeling that TO is going to turn it all around in Buf. Just like Moss went to the Pats.

[Krimzon7]

I have a strange feeling that you're high! T.O. is in a contract year, he will ball out, and cash in next year.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Jaguars sign Tra Thomas to strengthen the line, but who knows how much he has left.

And Matt Jones is in jail again. Week-long sentence after admitting to police he was drinking while playing golf, which was a violation of the plea deal he copped last year when he got busted cutting lines of coke in his car. Some people are just born fuck ups.

[The Gold Standard]

I have a strange feeling that you're high! T.O. is in a contract year, he will ball out, and cash in next year.

Completely agree. Then he will turn into his old self, but this year, he is going nuts.

[The Gold Standard]

I meant to say he was going to turn it around this year

[Krimzon7]

Agreed...

[Hanso Amore]

Isnt it weird how Leonard Little, who killed someone, is hated less than T.O.?

T.O. Is hated more than Little, Lynch, Jones, Pacman, Tank and Rae Carruth all in one.

[Hanso Amore]

Not just saying thaty because TO is a bill, they were talking about it on the radio.

Cant say I havent felt t he same way as everyone, its just crazy that it is that way.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Pats signed Leigh Bodden on a 1 year deal. Could be good business if he gets his form back.

Orlando Pace officially cut.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Isnt it weird how Leonard Little, who killed someone, is hated less than T.O.?

T.O. Is hated more than Little, Lynch, Jones, Pacman, Tank and Rae Carruth all in one.
Yeah but OJ was hated more than all of them too and he didn't even do anything

[SammyG]

Gonna be weird without Pace... Gonna miss ya O. But yeah we freed up 6 mil. so...

[Triple Naitch]

And Matt Jones is in jail again. Week-long sentence after admitting to police he was drinking while playing golf, which was a violation of the plea deal he copped last year when he got busted cutting lines of coke in his car. Some people are just born fuck ups.

http://cache-foo.deadspin.com/gawker/assets/images/11/2009/03/504x_mattjones.com

:nono:

[VonErichLives]

Umm, you realize that Moss was only ever really a problem in Oakland. T.O has been a cancer for every team he's played.

I mean, he WANTED to be in Dallas, and look at how he behaved. He's a whiner, needs to be thrown to a certain number of times a game, and if he isn't, bitches about it. I liked him at first in Dallas, but the guy isn't a winner.

You'd get mixed opinions from Minnesota fans on that.

Also, who the fuck is going to get TO the ball in Buffalo? Are they planning on signing or drafting a real QB?

Edwards hasn't looked bad, not great, but not bad... with 2 weapons and a running game... who knows...

Plus it's interesting that when the news came that TO was cut Edwards called or text'd the GM in Buffallo and told him to get him.

Look, I'm not saying Buffalo wins a super bowl by adding TO, but they'll contend for the playoffs, possible the division.

Oh and all this talk about FA not meaning much... that really depends on how good or bad the signings are.

The Pats have made some great FA moves over the years that have paid off.

Atlanta getting Turner was huge for that team.

I'm sure we can list a lot more moves that helped teams big time.

Does it win someone a superbowl? no. that takes a lot more things, such as a team staying healthy all season.

but a key or a few key free agent moves can really help a team.

[SammyG]

Rams get Karney. good blocking fullback, I am sure Jackson is gonna love that.

[Fignuts]

The fact that T.O. is only there for a year, means they don't have to worry about being too strict with any behavior problems he may have. They aren't going to fuck around when it comes to his bullshit, like that giant pussy Wade Phillips did.

[Hanso Amore]

One thing I will give Dick Jauron, is I think he will have a great relationship with TO.

Erickson and Phillips avoided TO, Reid ignored him.

Jauron will have an actual relationship with TO, which is the reason his players love him.

How much that offsets TOs rage when he sees how bad a coach he is remains to be seen.

But if any coaching style would ever work with TO, it will be Jaurons.

[Hanso Amore]

At the end of the day, I am just sick of hearing about TO and how horrible he is all the time.

[IC Champion]

I guess you could confront T.O on his behavior, but than you're just Bill Parcells I guess.

[RP]

At the end of the day, I am just sick of hearing about TO and how horrible he is all the time.

wait until they find out he's been on steroids for a long time.

[Fignuts]

I honestly wish Jauron wasn't so loved by the players, cause he IS a pretty bad coach.

[Hanso Amore]

I honestly wish Jauron wasn't so loved by the players, cause he IS a pretty bad coach.

He is a horrible Coach.

A Great babysitter though.

The guy cannot manage game day situations. He cannot adapt during the game. The players love him, but he needs strong coordinators to mask his deficiencies, which the Bills DO NOT have.

[SammyG]

1. Peterson was just traded to the Lions. Nice move, Seahags.

2. Donte Stallworth just killed a guy, while driving.

[RP]

Oh Donte

[VonErichLives]

Galloway 1yr deal in NE....

if he stays healthy, nice weapon... moss, galloway and welker...

thats a good trio..

They have Greg Lewis listed at WR, but I thought he was a TE? (maybe I have him confused with someone else).

I'll miss Kelly Washington, good special teams player.

oh and the early report is Dante isn't being charged in the accident.

[McLegend]

Greg Lewis weighs like a 150 pounds. He's a wide Receiver.

He's terrible, but he would always play well against the Patriots.

[VonErichLives]

heh, everyone thought the reason they went after Welker was he kept killing the pats.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol Jay Cutler and Cutler's parents both put their houses in Denver up for sale

[FearedSanctity]

Jay Cutler put one of his 3 Denver houses that he'd been planning on selling for the last 6 months up for sale, actually. And the one for sale is not his "primary residence." Not that it means any less that he's preparing to possibly be traded

[SammyG]

lolllll @ McDaniels. You fucking idiot. Cutler is amazing. If Jay Cutler became a Ram I would honestly shit myself.

[Splaya]

lolllll @ McDaniels. You fucking idiot. Cutler is amazing. If Jay Cutler became a Ram I would honestly shit myself.

Sorry Bucko, Denver will do the smart thing and trade Detroit for the #1 pick in the draft FOR CUTLER and then take Stafford.






AND I WILL CRY TEARS OF JOY AND FORGIVE THE LIONS FOR 2008 :love::heart:

[FearedSanctity]

From what I've been reading, Detroit's only been offering the 20 pick

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It doesn't matter what they do, they're not going to get anyone as good as Cutler.

[Krimzon7]

Righto chap, It's also worth mention that The Browns are in the fracas as well. Apparently Brady isn't as teflon as first thought.

[FearedSanctity]

Don't really need someone as good as Cutler to win though. His abilities are amazing, but the Patriots did just fine with a guy who hadn't started a football game since high school. If we could get someone who could just win games, which with a 17-20 record Cutler hasn't done, I'd be perfectly happy with that. Sure that record isn't all his fault, but those many interceptions are the reasons most of those wins were so close and most of those losses were so bad.

[RP]

Well its official, Broncos fans on the board are morons.

[FearedSanctity]

Explain

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You cannot blame Cutler for the Broncos' problems. Since Cutler took over as starting QB, look at the opposition's point totals in Denver losses:

23
48
26
23
38
41
19
44
37
34
31
23
33
24
41
26
31
30
30
52

The Broncos have lost ONE game where they held the opponent under 20 points. That is not Cutler's fault.

[Loose Cannon]

I heard the Jets got a pretty good D for '09. :shifty:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Broadway Jay

I like it.

[Loose Cannon]

The Jets had a chance to draft him whenever that draft was, but passed him up.

I heard this morning about him going to the Browns. just rumors though. If there is a trade, the Broncos will want a QB back.

[RP]

Jay Cutler is one of the top 5 QB's in the freaking league. If you believe your team is better with a more average QB, then you sir, are mentally retarded.

[RP]

Peyton Manning threw 43 int's his first 2 years in the league. Cutlers career total is 37 in 3 years.

I dont know if you know this or not, but Peyton Manning is pretty good.

[Splaya]

Honestly, the Lions could just do a trade where they trade the #1 pick for Cutler. Then the Broncos select Stafford or Sanchez

[Splaya]

From what I've been reading, Detroit's only been offering the 20 pick

Honestly, if the Lions found a way to trade the 20 pick and Stanton, I will wet myself

[ClockShot]

Yeah. Really don't know what to think about this. All I know is that Bowlen should have dumped a truckload of cash on either Ryan's or Spag's lawn. And this would probably never happened.

[VonErichLives]

So, Peppers to NE for the pick they got for Cassell.

Peppers wants to play OLB...

pardon me while I wet myself.

[RP]

What a corrupt league the NFL has become

[RP]

The Panthers arent even allowed to talk about a trade unless Peppers signs his Franchise tag. So if this trade does happen, it should be rejected and the Panthers and Pats should be fined for breaking the rules.

Suprise, suprise, the Patriots breaking rules again.

[The Gold Standard]

Peppers to the Pats. I actually expected this to happen. The Pats are the team that players go to when they get older because they want to win.

[SammyG]

Cutler come to STL PLEAASSSSEEEE

[VonErichLives]

The Panthers arent even allowed to talk about a trade unless Peppers signs his Franchise tag. So if this trade does happen, it should be rejected and the Panthers and Pats should be fined for breaking the rules.

Suprise, suprise, the Patriots breaking rules again.

You really need a new gimmick, or at least you need to know WTF you're talking about.

• If the player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries of last season at his position, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a “non-exclusive” franchise player and can negotiate with other clubs. His old club can match a new club's offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if it decides not to match. The signing period for non-exclusive franchise players to sign with new clubs is March 3 through November 9 (10th week of the season).

Peppers can work out a contract w/ any team he wants, The Panthers can then match, if they don't match the team normally gets two 1st round picks.

However, what normally happens is the team who originally franchised the player doesn't want or can't afford to pay the player what their new offer is and the team who wants to sign him wont give up 2 first round picks.

So, they lift the franchise tag and then trade the player.

You act like this is the first time a franchise player might change teams...

Really, find a new gimmick or at least know what you're talking about.

[VonErichLives]

Peppers to the Pats. I actually expected this to happen. The Pats are the team that players go to when they get older because they want to win.

that and Peppers wants to play OLB in a 3-4.

There was also a lot of talk about Dallas, but didn't they give up a 1-3-6 for Roy Williams? can't see them dealing away all their early picks the same year.

[RP]

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You really need a new gimmick, or at least you need to know WTF you're talking about.



Peppers can work out a contract w/ any team he wants, The Panthers can then match, if they don't match the team normally gets two 1st round picks.

However, what normally happens is the team who originally franchised the player doesn't want or can't afford to pay the player what their new offer is and the team who wants to sign him wont give up 2 first round picks.

So, they lift the franchise tag and then trade the player.

You act like this is the first time a franchise player might change teams...

Really, find a new gimmick or at least know what you're talking about.


THE DEAL IS NOT DONE YOU STUPID JACKASS. So if the deal was done and the Panthers denied the reports ( which they have ) then it would be a major violation. And we all know the Patriots love violating the rules.

[VonErichLives]

THE DEAL IS NOT DONE YOU STUPID JACKASS. So if the deal was done and the Panthers denied the reports ( which they have ) then it would be a major violation. And we all know the Patriots love violating the rules.



you can't be this fucking stupid... actually, never mind you are...

find a new gimmick.

What you can't seem to understand is while it's a violation for the panthers to talk directly to the patriots about a trade for peppers, peppers can talk to the pats work out his own contract and then even facilitate as a middle man "trade talks".

this isn't one of those things "just those cheating patriots do".

But I understand, unless Peyton pulls out 2-3 more rings before his career is over he will always be second to Tom Brady and that just kills you.

[RP]

you can't be this fucking stupid... actually, never mind you are...

find a new gimmick.

What you can't seem to understand is while it's a violation for the panthers to talk directly to the patriots about a trade for peppers, peppers can talk to the pats work out his own contract and then even facilitate as a middle man "trade talks".

this isn't one of those things "just those cheating patriots do".

But I understand, unless Peyton pulls out 2-3 more rings before his career is over he will always be second to Tom Brady and that just kills you.


TOM BRADY FUCKS SHEEP YOU FUCKING SHEEP FUCKER FUCK

[RP]

I swear i didnt mean to post that porn in there, i meant to qoute a VEL post, but i forgot to hit copy. LOLZ

[#1-norm-fan]

Jay Cutler is one of the top 5 QB's in the freaking league.

:|

[#1-norm-fan]

For the record, I don't think Cutler is all that bad at all.

Exaggerate much though?

[Hanso Amore]

For the record, I don't think Cutler is all that bad at all.

Exaggerate much though?

Its debatable.

Manning
Brady
Brees
Big Ben

After that I think it gets muddled

Romo
McNabb
Cutler
Eli
RIvers
Warner

I think you can make cases for all of them to be 5, depending on what you like.

[VonErichLives]

TOM BRADY FUCKS SHEEP YOU FUCKING SHEEP FUCKER FUCK

If Giselle is a sheep, you'd fuck sheeps too...

:kiss:

[VonErichLives]

what about a healthy carson palmer?

I think Cutler is top 10, probably top 5... I think he's better the Big Ben, and dunno about him and Brees...

[Krimzon7]

A healthy Carson can be MVP worthy, but he has a lot to prove this year. I hope to god he's healthy.

[SammyG]

lol @ random porn

[Hanso Amore]

A healthy Carson can be MVP worthy, but he has a lot to prove this year. I hope to god he's healthy.

Yeah, Iforgot Palmer...been too long since he has been healthy

[CSL]

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte’ Stallworth was driving drunk when he struck and killed a pedestrian, according to published and broadcast reports Thursday.

WSVN-TV reported Thursday that unnamed sources with knowledge of the investigation said Stallworth’s blood-alcohol level was between .08 and .16. The legal limit is .08. The Miami Herald also cited an unnamed source as saying that Stallworth’s blood-alcohol level was above the legal limit.

The Miami Beach Police Department refused to confirm the reports. Ed Griffith, spokesman for Miami-Dade County prosecutor Katherine Fernandez Rundle, would say only that the investigation is focusing on whether alcohol was a factor in the death of 59-year-old Mario Reyes.

Reyes was struck and killed by a Bentley driven by Stallworth about 7 a.m. Saturday morning. Reyes, a crane operator, had just gotten off work and was trying to catch a bus when he was hit.

No charges have been filed against Stallworth, 28. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, nor his attorney, Robert Switke, returned calls from The Associated Press seeking comment. Stallworth issued a statement Wednesday saying he was “grief stricken” over Reyes’ death.

If Stallworth was drunk, he could be charged with DUI manslaughter which carries a maximum 15-year prison sentence.

Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Browns as a free agent before last season but was injured much of the year. He previously played for New England, Philadelphia and New Orleans in the NFL and played college football at Tennessee.


Oh dear oh dear

[Gonzo]

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte’ Stallworth was driving drunk when he struck and killed a pedestrian, according to published and broadcast reports Thursday.

WSVN-TV reported Thursday that unnamed sources with knowledge of the investigation said Stallworth’s blood-alcohol level was between .08 and .16. The legal limit is .08. The Miami Herald also cited an unnamed source as saying that Stallworth’s blood-alcohol level was above the legal limit.

The Miami Beach Police Department refused to confirm the reports. Ed Griffith, spokesman for Miami-Dade County prosecutor Katherine Fernandez Rundle, would say only that the investigation is focusing on whether alcohol was a factor in the death of 59-year-old Mario Reyes.

Reyes was struck and killed by a Bentley driven by Stallworth about 7 a.m. Saturday morning. Reyes, a crane operator, had just gotten off work and was trying to catch a bus when he was hit.

No charges have been filed against Stallworth, 28. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, nor his attorney, Robert Switke, returned calls from The Associated Press seeking comment. Stallworth issued a statement Wednesday saying he was “grief stricken” over Reyes’ death.

If Stallworth was drunk, he could be charged with DUI manslaughter which carries a maximum 15-year prison sentence.

Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Browns as a free agent before last season but was injured much of the year. He previously played for New England, Philadelphia and New Orleans in the NFL and played college football at Tennessee.


Oh dear oh dear

He is fucked.

[Hanso Amore]

Fuck That piece of shit.

Back to my point....TO will get more bad press than this mother fucker.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Hey, what day does the 2009 schedule release?

[The Gold Standard]

Stallworth is a moron. I hate when people are stupid and drive drunk. I hope he goes to jail.

[Icess]

Fuck That piece of shit.

Back to my point....TO will get more bad press than this mother fucker.

Do you ever win an argument that you're having with.... Um, yourself?

We get it, you like TO.

[Krimzon7]

We get it, YOU ALL HATE T.O! Hanso is right, you all will dismiss this and keep buying tickets to the Owens is an asshole train!

[Hanso Amore]

I dont really like Owens. I just dont really care about all the Owens hype shit, it always annoyed me.

But this shit, and Leonard Little do bother me, and nobody seems to bat an eye.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's because Rams fans don't talk about Leonard Little every 5 seconds. And ESPN doesn't get ratings by talking about Little or Stallworth.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Bengals signed FB Naufahu Tahi to an offer sheet. He was Adrian Peterson's leading blocker last year. Will be pretty happy if the Vikings don't match because Cincy had a backup TE playing FB last year.

[Hanso Amore]

That's because Rams fans don't talk about Leonard Little every 5 seconds. And ESPN doesn't get ratings by talking about Little or Stallworth.

But that is my point...Why does a guy complaining get more press than a killer?

[SammyG]

LEONARD LITTLE DRUUUNK SHOWW

[Icess]

But that is my point...Why does a guy complaining get more press than a killer?

Damn it, I'm gonna take this bait.

The guy is likely to go down as the 2nd best receiver of all time (the stats should at least be arguable). Unlike Rice, he probably will never own a ring. And while it can't be blamed solely on him, it's not a huge leap to hold him accountable to an extent. His inability to take responsibility for his own actions while constantly blaming everyone else is one example. Calling other players out publicly rather then within team meetings certainly causes distention within said locker room. Consistent pandering to the media for that so-called-"press", is a sure way to earn a sound bite.

The 49er's and Eagles were left in turmoil when he was removed from the team (you could even add the Ravens to an extent). The Cowboys shouldn't be as bad because they HAD to make moves in case this happened (see:Roy Williams). Now that it happened, we shall see if he doesn't bitch and whine in Buffalo. I don't question his talent, nor his work ethic... But he is a cunt that puts himself way before his team. His intention may be to win, but a schizo thinks he's sane too.

To answer the actual question... ESPN has lawyers. Until an arrest is made, they don't want a liability suit. While the Herald has published the reports, ESPN tends to shy away from these stories until definitive proof has come forward. It's a huge story, but the fact he hasn't been officially charged seems to imply there's more to it. Not to mention, random stories that hurt the NFL's image--the image that earns ESPN a ton of cash-- aren't often highlighted.

[Hanso Amore]

DOnt feed me any bullshit about ESPN having Lawyers and wanting to avoid a suit before a trial...Did you watch an episode of Sports Center between 1993-1995? They had just as much OJ coverage as CNN.

Im not actually asking why they worry about TO so much. I know why. It is because it is an easy story and he is a superstar. I know it makes ratings.

I just hate the fact that TO is demonized so harshly, but yet everyone ignores the killers because they are not big stars!

I have never liked TO that much. I have no doubts he will have some form of meltdown again before he retires, whether it be with the Bills or not.

But really, people act like he is the worst thing ever, like he should be banned from the league, then dont even bat an eye at drunk driving killers.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Damn it, I'm gonna take this bait.

The guy is likely to go down as the 2nd best receiver of all time (the stats should at least be arguable).

Kind of an unrelated point, but I think Randy Moss will end up being closer to being #2 than Owens by the time they're both done. Hell, Moss might even end up as the top statistical receiver by the time he quits (but that depends on how long he plays...even if he does break some of Rice's records, there won't be many that try to claim he's #1, though).

And this coming from a Packers fan who spent the late 90s and early 2000s despising everything about the man.

[Gonzo]

Randy Moss has great natural ability but I don't think he can compare to Jerry Rice in other areas. Moss got lazy and was unproductive when he was in Oakland but I can't blame the guy for that.

[VonErichLives]

not a big fan of these new rules... not going to be long until you can't touch the QB.

[Krimzon7]

To Moss' defense, Rice loafed in Oakland too. Terrell Owens will be the second best receiver by the time he retires. He is better than Moss. The sad thing, is that It won't be long before Fitzgerald eclipses him.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't find anything sad about that at all. Fitzgerald is the man.

[Gonzo]

To Moss' defense, Rice loafed in Oakland too. Terrell Owens will be the second best receiver by the time he retires. He is better than Moss. The sad thing, is that It won't be long before Fitzgerald eclipses him.

Rice was in Oakland far later into his career than Moss was.

[Krimzon7]

I agree that Rice's career was waning during his time in Oakland, but we thought the same of Moss. It's funny what a good QB and a change of scenery can do.

Supreme, I agree, Fitz is the man, I think the tragedy is that the public will be quick to dismiss Owens greatness, and Fitz will be the reason.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm not so sure. Unless Arizona keeps winning and going to Super Bowls, I doubt Fitzgerald will be as talked about as people think. Not unless he does something bad to get everyone's attention and start the ESPN machine. Think about it, who gets the most press coverage? TO, Moss, Chad, Plaxico, Steve Smith, all guys prone to controversy. Marvin Harrison got no press coverage at all until his weapons charge. How many stories have you heard about Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, or Andre Johnson?

It's a shame that will live in such a sensationalist period for news coverage because the only people you hear about are the ones who bring in ratings. And that's not a good thing.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Andre Johnson's the fucking man

[Hanso Amore]

If Andree Johnson played for the Cardinals....HE would have broken every record there is.

He is hands down, the single BEST WR in the NFL.

I swear, even better than Fitz. I wish my team had him. He is so amazing.

Calvin Johnson could be on his level in 2 years.

[Hanso Amore]

Imagine Andre on NE or Indy....


Honestly....Think about it. He would destory Herman Moore's record.

The guy has made Kevin Walter a 66 catch guy....

[Kris P Lettus]

Hate cutting Deuce, but I understand why it happened.. We def need a "bruising" RB though as Bush and PT both have the same elusive running style..

Glad we added Darren Sharper, even though he's older, but I have no f'n idea why we released our best D-back in McKenzie.. I know he was hurt alot last year but in '07, even being on a horrid D, he didn't give up a TD until week 15.. I have alot of hope in Tracy Porter to become a shutdown CB but we still need help at CB..

I really wish we had gone after some of these big name DB's or OLB's.. Glad they resigned Vilma and RT Stichcomb but we need more big moves..

[Krimzon7]

I'm pretty excited about the Bengals Draft. We have 11 picks going in. There is the opportunity to bring some real solid talent in that will play right away. I personally don't think our O-line is as bad as people make it seem. We can really steal a solid DE here. We can pick up a good TE, and a RB. We're loaded at receiver, if Mr. Simpson can step up, and Chris HEnry can stay outta trouble. We'll be in the mix with a soft schedule and Carson firing away. If Jordan Palmer can't cut the mustard, we should look at getting a back up too,

[RP]

Broncos are now 100% trying to trade Jay Cutler and are also officially 100% retardo.

Enjoy many losing seasons for years to come Denver. And may you never even come close to making the playoffs for being absolute morons.

[Splaya]

LIONS, GO GET ME SOME CUTLER

[Supreme Olajuwon]

McDaniels gets 2 seasons in Denver, max.

[RP]

If i were the Lions, i'd trade the 1 in a heartbeat for Cutler.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And what a shithead McDaniels is turning out to be. You want to run an offense that does nothing but pass pass pass, you have a stud QB who literally got pissed off when his team called running plays because all he wants to do is throw the ball, and you tell him you'd rather have somebody else. What the fuck is wrong with you

[Splaya]

If i were the Lions, i'd trade the 1 in a heartbeat for Cutler.


And it's rumored that's what we will do. Wanna hear a sicker rumor??


Denver would then trade the #1 to Cleveland for Brady Quinn













HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....WANNA KNOW THE BEST PART.





It's not even an April Fools Joke :lol:

[SammyG]

Why the hell are the Rams not even interested. Bulger sucks. He has a huge contract, I understand, but come ON. TRY

[Kris P Lettus]

I hope Cutler doesn't go to the Bucs..

I'd like to see him as a Jet..

[Kris P Lettus]

Holy shit..


Report: Donte Stallworth to be charged with DUI manslaughter

By <address class="vcard author">Kevin Allen (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose)</address> on <abbr class="published" title="2009-04-01T12:01:58-06:00">April 1, 2009 12:01 PM </abbr> | Permalink (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/04/report_donte_stallworth_to_be.html) | Comments (0) (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/04/report_donte_stallworth_to_be.html#comments) | TrackBacks (0) (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/04/report_donte_stallworth_to_be.html#trackback)


Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter in connection with a fatal crash in Miami, several online sources are reporting.

Stallworth was questioned by Police the morning of March 14 after the seven-year NFL veteran struck and killed 59-year-old Mario Reyes while driving near the end of the MacArthur Causeway in Miami Beach. Later reports indicated (http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/sports/MI115914/) that Stallworth's blood alcohol level was above the legal limit (.12 according to a Miami Herald source).

A March 24 report stated that Stallworth told police he flashed his headlights (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4014292&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines) to warn Reyes -- who was struck as he was rushing across the street to catch a bus.

The charge carries a possible 15-year prison sentence.

A few days after the incident, Stallworth issued an apology (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/957148.html).


''My family and I are grief stricken over the tragic accident which occurred Saturday on Miami Beach where Mario Reyes sadly lost his life,'' Stallworth said in a prepared statement. ``My thoughts and prayers are with the Reyes family during this incredibly difficult time. Unfortunately, since this accident is still under police investigation, I cannot comment further on the matter at this time."

A video obtained by the Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/978852.html) shows police administering a field sobriety test on Stallworth as paramedics work to save Reyes.

Donte Stallworth expected to be charged with DUI manslaughter [Miami Herald w/video (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/978852.html)]
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[Kris P Lettus]

Lenard Little in the motherfucking house!!

[DrA]

Nah that's an April Fools joke.

[Kris P Lettus]

It was on the ticker on ESPN.. That's how I saw it and googled it..

[Kris P Lettus]

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Stallworth to be charged in man's death
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MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle) wide receiver Donte Stallworth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3541) will be charged Wednesday with killing a pedestrian last month while driving drunk in Miami, people familiar with the case told The Associated Press. ESPN's Michael Smith confirmed the story. Two people told the AP that an arrest warrant charging the 28-year-old Stallworth with DUI manslaughter will be filed Wednesday in the March 14 accident that killed 59-year-old Mario Reyes. The people requested anonymity because the charges haven't been announced. The charge carries a possible 15-year prison sentence. Stallworth's blood-alcohol level after the crash was .12, well above Florida's legal limit of .08, according to results of a blood test. Stallworth will also be charged with DUI, according to the people informed about the case. Stallworth, who is expected to surrender in court Thursday, released a statement after the incident saying, "My family and I are grief-stricken over the tragic accident which occurred Saturday on Miami Beach where Mario Reyes sadly lost his life." He returned to Cleveland and has been working out with the team, which Miami Beach police were aware of, according to Stallworth's attorney, Chris Lyons. A Miami Beach police report said that Reyes was not in a crosswalk on busy MacArthur Causeway when he was struck by the Bentley luxury car driven by Stallworth. The construction crane operator was trying to catch a bus home after finishing his shift about 7:15 a.m. The report also quoted Stallworth as saying he flashed his lights at Reyes in an attempted warning and that Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40-mph zone. Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Browns before last season but was injured much of the year. He previously played for New England, Philadelphia and New Orleans.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632

[SammyG]

He will get away with it like Leonard.

[Krimzon7]

that is fucked up. so, how many people has owens killed?

[SammyG]

43254

[Triple Naitch]

Jay Cutler is going to the Bears :eek:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

From what I've heard, bears gave up their 2009 1st rounder, (18th overall), next year's 1st, their third this year, and Orton.

Bears got screwed here. Cutler is amazing, but two first rounders? And a third and Orton on top of that? Bear in mind, I don't know the validity of this, but it seems to be legit.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Now I'm hearing just Orton and two first rounders. So I dunno.

But still. Cutler is amazing....but two first rounders?

[SammyG]

Not a bad deal

[RP]

From what I've heard, bears gave up their 2009 1st rounder, (18th overall), next year's 1st, their third this year, and Orton.

Bears got screwed here. Cutler is amazing, but two first rounders? And a third and Orton on top of that? Bear in mind, I don't know the validity of this, but it seems to be legit.

WHAT? Cutler is going to be the best QB in the game 2 years from now. Mark this down. LOL Bears just hit the fucking lottery and Denver just set there team back 5-10 more years. I love it. If i'm a Charger fan, I'd be fucking dancing in the street naked right now. What a retarded franchise Denver is. I'm so glad Indy had Bill Polian and not that amerature hour bull shit in Denver.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I hope he flops. Not because I hate Cutler, but because I hate Chicago. If there's one team I can't stand to watch, it's the Bears.

That aside, I definitely agree with you about Cutler's abilities and potential. I just can't get over the two first rounders.

[Krimzon7]

I am dancing naked in the streets! I ran back in to Post this! Cutler is outta the west! But The NFC North just got that much more exciting! How are they gonna find receivers now?




















Holy shit, Devin Hester! :eek:

[SammyG]

WHATTTTTTT Pace just signed with the Bears too

[OssMan]

Hey the Bears have a fucking quarterback for once

[RP]

The Broncos are getting the 18th pick in the draft and after the Bears make the playoffs this year, a pick in the 20's and Kyle Orton.

Explain to me how this is possibly better then having Cutler.

Its like going to a casino, getting on the craps table, slamming a 25 thousand dollar chip on the table and saying you want to purchase to rolls of the dice and a hooker.

[RatedGSuperstar]

It's not like the Bears have had good luck with draft picks lately, anyway, so I guess they're not losing out too much here. Still, I see Cutler as a guy who's extremely talented but lacks the mental make-up of a franchise quarterback.

Sure, he could be the next Brett Favre. He could also be the next Jeff George. I guess we'll see what happens in Chicago, but there's not a legitimate receiver on that roster right now.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Exactly. You could have Peyton in there throwing the ball, it's fucking Devin Hester and A Guy. Cutler's going to be pissed to all hell by like week 4.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Also, does this trade look as bad for Denver when you consider that..

1. Cutler left them with NO leverage in trade talks
2. They could draft Sanchez or Freeman with one of the two first rounders and get their defensive player with the second this year?

I'm thinking Orton is just a placeholder for whoever they draft this year, and they let the new guy take over next year.

[RP]

Cutler left them with No leverage? The Broncos are the ones who came out and said " We're trading Cutler ". Cutler didnt demand a trade publicly.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Depending on who you believe he asked to be traded after the QB coach was let go/fired. Doubt the actual truth will come out for a while, if ever. Both sides have fucked themselves, basically.

-edit- That was before McDaniels got hired btw

[Kris P Lettus]

So glad he didn't go to the Buc or Panthers..

[ron the dial]

oh i am loving this bears action baby. probably the most promising qb we've had in my lifetime.

[DaveWadding]

Next years draft is gonna be QB heavy though...McCoy and Bradford and them right? I'd lay money that Denver trades their 1st rounder next year (assuming its not in the top 5 already) and the Bears first rounder to get a top 3 pick to get their guy.

[Skippord]

Cutler is amazing...with Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Brandon Stokely

and an offensive line that is you know good

[Krimzon7]

Don't discount Cutler. The argument can be made that HE made the line receivers etc look better than they were. Cutler is fiery, and he felt like he was one of the few bright spots on that fucking squad last year...NEWSFLASH, He's right! If the Broncos wanted to trade Marshall, or any other of the 52 douches there they could. But Cutler was the franchise. He should have a say, he should have been untouchable. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

Fucking Broncos. GO BOLTS!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cutler is amazing...with Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Brandon Stokely

and an offensive line that is you know good
So then Kyle Orton should have no problems throwing for 4,500 yards and 25 TDs next season, right?

[RatedGSuperstar]

Probably closer to the 3,600 yards and 21 TD Matt Cassel put up in McDaniels' offense last year, but he should put up better numbers than he did in Chicago.

Part of it is the talent around him, and part of it is the system. Chicago's always been more ball-control oriented under Lovie Smith, even back when they had guys like Moose and Berrian.

[Kris P Lettus]

So then Kyle Orton should have no problems throwing for 4,500 yards and 25 TDs next season, right?

LOL

Skippord, Culter made Vanderbilt good..

Vanderbilt..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Apparently when Cutler was being recruited in college Ron Turner (now the OC in Chicago) was at Illinois - Cutler turned down other programs and thought he was going to sign up but Turner pulled the plug on it :lol:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Lovie Smith had no choice but to run a ball control system. You use a system that suits your players. Deciding to trust your offense to Thomas Jones over Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman isn't exactly the toughest of choices.

Let's not forget what kind of team Denver was before Cutler took over. Every year Plummer was starting they ran more than they passed. In Cutler's first full year in 2007, they passed more. Last year it was almost 2 to 1.

[Kris P Lettus]

Matt Forte will be a great RB in years to come..

Green Wave Represent!!

[Kris P Lettus]

Giants released Plaxico Burress..

[Krimzon7]

Spartans Represent! It's about time they cut that fucking cord. Now he can do his 'time' and be done with it. Maybe he can bunk with Stallworth.

[Skippord]

So then Kyle Orton should have no problems throwing for 4,500 yards and 25 TDs next season, right?
well being that we won't have two of those three wideouts it may pose a problem

[Skippord]

trying to feel good about the broncos is becoming harder and harder

[Supreme Olajuwon]

well being that we won't have two of those three wideouts it may pose a problem
?

[Krimzon7]

The Giants may be making a play for Chad Johnson! If there is a God, Let's ship his monkey ass out for a first rounder...:wave:

[Gonzo]

I just can't see Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin shipping a 1st round pick to the Bengals for Chad Johnson. Simply put they aren't that stupid.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah.. I see a third rounder at best for him..

[DrA]

Draft picks are so over-rated. I don't get this mentality of not wanting to give up a third round draft pick for someone that is already an established veteran. Odds are that the draft pick will just end up being a bust anyway. Even if it is not, it usually takes a couple of years before that rookie will become an impact player.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, I feel the same way.. Like, even with the Cutler trade, I think the Bears got the better end of the deal..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

San Diego might go 6-10 next season and still win the AFC West.

[The Gold Standard]

I actually think the Broncos go the better of the trade with all the extra picks. Culter is a great QB, but don't discount Orton. He can get the ball to receivers. The Broncos also get 2 1st rounders and a 3rd. You can get a lot of talent with those picks.

I am a huge fan of Cutler and Cutler is the QB the bears have been looking for for a long time, but he still needs a receiver to throw to. The Bears don't have anyone.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I am baffled as to why so many people think the receivers are what make a QB good. Did you not see what happened when Ryan Fitzpatrick replaced Carson Palmer? Did you not see what happened when Brad Johnson replaced Tony Romo? Do you not see what happens every time Random Hack QB replaces Donovan McNabb? Same receivers, yet all of sudden everybody's terrible. Gee, I wonder why?

Quick, name Drew Brees' top receiver last year. How many years has Tom Brady had a 1000 yard receiver? What about McNabb? I mean fuck, Trent Green used to put up 4000 yard seasons throwing to his WR core made up of Eddie Kennison and Johnnie Morton.

Yeah Cutler doesn't have a receiving core in Chicago. He also doesn't have an ungrateful fan base. Now let's remember what he does have in Chicago: a running game and a defense who won't force him into shootouts. I bet Denver fans can't wait to see how Kyle Orton responds to playing with a defense that gives up 28 points a game. I'm sure his arm and QB skills will really flourish.

[The Gold Standard]

Well it is tough no matter who you are if you don't have a good receiver. Denver can help that D on draft day with all of the picks they have.

Orton is not a bad QB. I am not saying he is going to lead his team to the promise land, but everyone is making it seem like he is so bad, but he is not, give him a chance.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I am baffled as to why so many people think the receivers are what make a QB good. Did you not see what happened when Ryan Fitzpatrick replaced Carson Palmer? Did you not see what happened when Brad Johnson replaced Tony Romo? Do you not see what happens every time Random Hack QB replaces Donovan McNabb? Same receivers, yet all of sudden everybody's terrible. Gee, I wonder why?

Quick, name Drew Brees' top receiver last year. How many years has Tom Brady had a 1000 yard receiver? What about McNabb? I mean fuck, Trent Green used to put up 4000 yard seasons throwing to his WR core made up of Eddie Kennison and Johnnie Morton.

Yeah Cutler doesn't have a receiving core in Chicago. He also doesn't have an ungrateful fan base. Now let's remember what he does have in Chicago: a running game and a defense who won't force him into shootouts. I bet Denver fans can't wait to see how Kyle Orton responds to playing with a defense that gives up 28 points a game. I'm sure his arm and QB skills will really flourish.

It's not that receivers make a QB, it's that Cutler is taking an enormous step down in terms of quality to throw to. If you took Kurt Warner out of Arizona he wouldn't be half the QB he is at the moment, and that's down to the system and who he has to throw to. Similar thing here. Cutler might prove himself but at this point it's just as likely he will stink it up next year as pull the whole Bears offence up a notch.

Also about 1/4 of Trent's yards came from throwing to Gonzalez ;) Quite a bit from Priest Holmes as well if you want to go back that far.

[Hanso Amore]

It's not that receivers make a QB, it's that Cutler is taking an enormous step down in terms of quality to throw to. If you took Kurt Warner out of Arizona he wouldn't be half the QB he is at the moment, and that's down to the system and who he has to throw to. Similar thing here. Cutler might prove himself but at this point it's just as likely he will stink it up next year as pull the whole Bears offence up a notch.

Also about 1/4 of Trent's yards came from throwing to Gonzalez ;) Quite a bit from Priest Holmes as well if you want to go back that far.

Its far more often that a QB makes WRs great than the other way around.

[SammyG]

lol Rams sign Kyle Boller. K.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's not that receivers make a QB, it's that Cutler is taking an enormous step down in terms of quality to throw to. If you took Kurt Warner out of Arizona he wouldn't be half the QB he is at the moment, and that's down to the system and who he has to throw to. Similar thing here. Cutler might prove himself but at this point it's just as likely he will stink it up next year as pull the whole Bears offence up a notch.

Also about 1/4 of Trent's yards came from throwing to Gonzalez ;) Quite a bit from Priest Holmes as well if you want to go back that far.

1418 of the Bears' 3229 receiving yards, 44%, were collected by Matt Forte, Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark last season so you can take your little wink face and shove it up your ass. :kiss:

I'm not saying Cutler will have another 4,500 yard 25 TD season, and with Forte he shouldn't have to, but the assumption that because Chicago's receiving core was bad under Orton and Grossman, it will be bad under Cutler is ludicrous. Cutler's stats will be down next year because he won't be pressured to score 30+ points every game. In fantasy terms, Cutler will have a bad year. But in actual football, where it matters, he will have as good a year or better.

[Kris P Lettus]

Denver can help that D on draft day with all of the picks they have.


Yeah, in years to come.. You could give me eleven 22 year old defensive players right now, who will potentially make the Saints D look like the Steel curtain in 2012, and I wouldn't come close to wanting to give up Brees.. Draft picks are iffy.. I mean, sure there are guys like the Bucs CB Talib, who can come in and make plays, but giving up a probowl QB who can give you 20+ TDs and 4000+ yards of offense a year, for the chance to sign unproven talent is ridiculous.. Plus the fact that Cutler hasn't near reached his prime as a pro..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

1418 of the Bears' 3229 receiving yards, 44%, were collected by Matt Forte, Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark last season so you can take your little wink face and shove it up your ass. :kiss:

So? Your point was that Green threw for 4000 to Kennison et al when you missed out mentioning that he also had a genuine 1000 yard a season TE, maybe even a hall of famer in Gonzalez, and Holmes, one of the best receiving backs, used to go for 600-700 as well. So that kind of dampens down the numbers for those other receivers.

As good as Forte is he's not Priest Holmes. And Olsen & Clark combined don't come close to Gonzo at his peak. What Cutler has to work with is even less than Green had.

Look Chicago will probably go .500 this year. They still play the Lions twice, and they play the NFC West too. Oh and they also play the AFC North. So that's probably 8 wins there, given that the Browns and the Bengals play in the North :p

Outside of that they have Philly, Atlanta, and of course Green Bay and Minny twice apiece plus Pittsburgh and Baltimore. At this point I don't see them winning more than 1 of those, honestly. Which would basically put them at the same level they were last year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So? Your point was that Green threw for 4000 to Kennison et al when you missed out mentioning that he also had a genuine 1000 yard a season TE, maybe even a hall of famer in Gonzalez, and Holmes, one of the best receiving backs, used to go for 600-700 as well. So that kind of dampens down the numbers for those other receivers.

As good as Forte is he's not Priest Holmes. And Olsen & Clark combined don't come close to Gonzo at his peak. What Cutler has to work with is even less than Green had.


No, I was responding to people immediately writing off Cutler because Chicago didn't have wide receivers. Just like Kansas City didn't have wide receivers. But they had other options, just like Chicago has now. And how do you know how good Forte will be? He had a far better rookie season than Holmes did and had almost 500 receiving yards. Imagine what he'll do without 8 or 9 guys playing up in the box.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Holmes didn't have a carry in his rookie year, so that wasn't difficult. When Forte breaks the rushing TD record get back to me.

[Krimzon7]

Now, now, we're missing the spirit of Supreme's post. He's saying that a good quarterback will make chicken salad outta chicken shit. Cutler has options. Greg Olson will become quite the gem with Cutler throwing to him. Devin Hester will be better once he knows what a route tree looks like. There's a blueprint in place for Cutler to win. Stats mean jack shit when you're losing all the time.

[OssMan]

Now you're gonna have a nice chicken salad. You're gonna have an exciting life now.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Greg G-REG Olsen is gonna light it up

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Gotta love G-Reg, even if I hate the Bears with a passion.

And I am praying to God that Brady Quinn gets traded somewhere. I like the guy too much, and I don't see Cleveland winning a Super Bowl anytime soon.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Holmes didn't have a carry in his rookie year, so that wasn't difficult. When Forte breaks the rushing TD record get back to me.
Ok fine Mr. Fussy Britches, his first year as the starting RB. Either way, Forte outplayed Holmes. Forte had 1700 yards from scrimmage in his rookie season which was 3rd in the NFL.

[DrA]

Jay Cutler will have impressive stats on a 9-7 team. That's what it's going to come down to.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ok fine Mr. Fussy Britches, his first year as the starting RB. Either way, Forte outplayed Holmes. Forte had 1700 yards from scrimmage in his rookie season which was 3rd in the NFL.

That Ravens team had even less talent on offence than the Bears. I mean Jim Harbaugh? And why is it that they leaned on Forte so heavily? Oh yeah, they haven't got any receivers.

We could go round and round on this if you want but Cutler's not going to suddenly jumpstart the Bears. Just like Favre didn't suddenly jumpstart the Jets.

IMHO, of course.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

5 more wins and an extra 137 points scored and you don't think Favre jumpstarted the Jets?

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, WTF MMM??

The Jets were so much better with Favre than with Pennington..

[Nervous Ferret]

The Jets also added Faneca, Kris Jenkins, Dustin Keller etc. before last season. I am not saying the Jets would have been any better or even the same with Pennington but to give the majority of the credit to Favre is absolutely crazy. People were excited about the Jets in 2008 BEFORE they traded for Favre. I was at least :-\

[McLegend]

haha Brett Favre

[Krimzon7]

Garcia to Oaklan, Kellen Winslow signs the highest paying contract for tight ends. 6 years, 36.1 million with 20 guaranteed

[ClockShot]

Samari Rolle back with the Ravens.

[OssMan]

Who is the jets QB

[Mr. Monday Morning]

The Jets also added Faneca, Kris Jenkins, Dustin Keller etc. before last season. I am not saying the Jets would have been any better or even the same with Pennington but to give the majority of the credit to Favre is absolutely crazy. People were excited about the Jets in 2008 BEFORE they traded for Favre. I was at least :-\

Thanking you.

Also did you not see the way Favre's play completely fell off toward the end of the season? Favre was meant to get them to the playoffs, easy, and they choked it away.

[DaveBrawl]

Although I agree with you about the similarities in the Cutler and Farve situations, Farve never was right after the Bengals game and I believe the shoulder injury in that game hampered him far more than just the team choking.

Truthfully I believe Denver is in for another 6-10 to 8-8 season and the Bears will be in the 8-8 to 10-6 range. The Broncos took a serious hit on offense losing Jay, but they seem to be trying to upgrade the defense and if they can do that even a little it will pick them up a few games.

Personally I look for the Chiefs to be a powerful player for the division this season. With Denver having to reload and the Chargers falling off at the rate they have the last few seasons the way KC has reloaded has me worried. No one is paying attention to them, but I think they have a good shot at winning the AFC West this year.

[Krimzon7]

The Chiefs won't be that power player right away. Maybe the year after. this year is a virtual LOCK for the Bolts. The only team that has their feet under them to give chase is the Raiders, and that is laughable to consider.

[DaveBrawl]

I can seriously see a team leading that division with only 2 or 3 wins after 6-7 games this season and it's truely sad considering how good Denver and even SD were a couple years ago. Sad part is it probably will be Oakland. :lol:

[FearedSanctity]

AFC West should probably be out on some sort of playoff probation this year

[DaveBrawl]

As long as the Chargers don't make it I'm happy. :shifty:

[Krimzon7]

Playoff probation? Not with the NFC West steadily sending 8-8 teams to the playoffs for years. The Chargers get to cruise into the playoffs. It will be great if they get the #1 seed due to the soft division...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Thanking you.

Also did you not see the way Favre's play completely fell off toward the end of the season? Favre was meant to get them to the playoffs, easy, and they choked it away.
That's because Favre is 39 years old and his arm quit on him. That doesn't mean he didn't provide a spark to that team.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So Favre deserves no credit for the Jets improved play last year, but he deserves all of the blame for them choking. That's fair.

[Krimzon7]

The JETS imploded, not just Farve. I think that there were a lot of factors that caused Farve to suck so much ass at the end of the season.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't know how you people could possibly be arguing with me on this. A good quarterback makes his receivers and his team better. How is this even a debate right now?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Marvin Harrison didn't have a 1000 yard season until Manning's 2nd year as QB. Then BAM 8 straight 1000 yard seasons and 8 straight Pro Bowls. And that doesn't even begin to mention how good the rest of the team got.

[Krimzon7]

Ok, wait, who's arguing? I was agreeing with you when I said that the Jets have to take some of the blame for the implosion last year. It wasn't all brett's fault.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Obviously not you

[Krimzon7]

However Supreme, I will pose this line of thought...

The Job of the QB is to be the hero AND the scapegoat. So while it is unfair to give QB's all the blame for poor passing offenses, isn't that a part of their job?

[Krimzon7]

Who is the jets QB

To Be Determined...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Apparently the Bears are going to sign Plaxico so this is a moot point anyway.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

However Supreme, I will pose this line of thought...

The Job of the QB is to be the hero AND the scapegoat. So while it is unfair to give QB's all the blame for poor passing offenses, isn't that a part of their job?
I never said it wasn't.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

In fact, all I said was that it's a double standard to say Favre isn't responsible for New York's improved play but then put all the blame on him when they choke.

He was responsible for their falling apart at the end, but without him, they wouldn't have even gotten to that point in the first place.

[Krimzon7]

oh.

What do you think about the Bengals chances this year? Who are you hoping for in the draft?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'll be happy with any of the big name OTs. If BJ Raji is there I wouldn't mind drafting him either but I'm a little skeptical of top 10 DTs.

[Krimzon7]

Dan Wilkinson syndrome, eh??? I"m right there with you. I would love to get a great DE, and perhaps a running back. I think the OT class is deep. I don't want that fat kid from Alabama. This could definitely be a depth year with 11 solid picks. I would love to see Chad Go to New York.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

So Favre deserves no credit for the Jets improved play last year, but he deserves all of the blame for them choking. That's fair.

I didn't say he deserved no credit, neither did I say he deserves all the blame. But as part of his job as a leader of the team, he failed. And when you compare what Favre did with the Jets to what Pennington did in Miami, it's a fair assumption to make that given the money the Jets spent in free agency bringing in Jenkins, Pace, Faneca etc that they still would have improved if they still had Pennington as QB.

If a receiver can't run his route properly, if he can't beat his coverage, if he can't catch the damn ball, there's not much the QB can do about that.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Also by the by did you just compare Devin Hester to Marvin Harrison? I think you did.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'll be happy with any of the big name OTs. If BJ Raji is there I wouldn't mind drafting him either but I'm a little skeptical of top 10 DTs.

Bengals signed Tank Johnson so I'm guessing you are now wanting an OT?? Oher from Ole Miss is a beast..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

so much for cleaning up that jailbird image, eh Marvin?

I would like Oher but not at #6. I don't know why people have Smith from Bama over Oher though. Smith seems like a walking PUP list waiting to happen. Guys with a poor work ethic don't just change.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

MMM, I believe this argument is going nowhere so let's just see what the season brings.

[SammyG]

Rams willing to deal the number 2 pick... WHO WANTS IT

[Krimzon7]

Supreme, there's no argument. Tank HAS cleaned his act up. He's been fuck up free for quite some time...

[Krimzon7]

I would love to see the kid from Baylor, or Virginia at OT. I don't want that fat ass lazy fucking kid from Bama.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

BATAVIA, Ohio -- An Ohio State Highway Patrol spokesman says Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Leon Hall was arrested in southwest Ohio and charged with drunken driving.



YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER GOD DAMMIT WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID TAKE A FUCKING CAB

[Krimzon7]

Hey, last time we had a string of arrests, we made the playoffs.

[Team Sheep]

When's the schedule released?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Tuesday, 7 PM EST

[ClockShot]

Byron Leftwich to the Bucs.

[Kris P Lettus]

He might start for them..

[SammyG]

Well who else do they have?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Luke McCown and Brian Griese, basically

[RP]

Marvin Harrison didn't have a 1000 yard season until Manning's 2nd year as QB. Then BAM 8 straight 1000 yard seasons and 8 straight Pro Bowls. And that doesn't even begin to mention how good the rest of the team got.

Ofcourse, if you're a Pats fan, you would argue that the recievers made Manning better, but that Tom Brady is the lone exception because, omg Jabar Gafney made catches omg.

Yah. PM is the best QB ever. He's gunna win it this year. This will be his FU year. He's got a healthy knee going into training camp.

Do you realize that if Manning wasnt injured for the first 4-5 games or so, Indy may have won 15 games? Manning truely struggled with his knee up until about the Houston game where Shane Rosenfels did the helicopter meltdown. He won the MVP through the last 12 games of the season and Indy ended with 12 wins. If Manning was healthy last year, Indy isnt playing an 8-8 San Diego team in SAN DIEGO. I mean, not to make excuses, because the Chargers seem to just have our number, but comon. No way a 12-4 team should have to play an 8-8 team at there house in the playoffs. Thats a joke. If Manning is health last year from start to finish with a training camp under his belt, i'm pretty confident Indy would have finished 15-1 and won the Superbowl.

My whole point is this, i dont even know what Supreme was arguing cause i just happen to read the post I qouted, but fucking hell! How stupid is Denver for giving Cutler away. Dear Lord! Cutler is going to be a fucking beast and Denver will have to chew on it for the next 10 years. Dumbest move i've ever seen or heard of.

[RP]

I hope Tom Brady is healthy this year because i seriously miss Manning v Brady. I need it in my life, to go on. Beating Cassell wasnt the same. Watching Belichick melt down and make bonehead head coaching moves was brutal. I rather beat the Pats when they're the Pats. Good thing about Titans winning the division last year... we finished 2nd in the division and Pats finished 2nd, so we get Pats vs Indy again. It better be prime time this time, because thats where it should be all the time until Peyton or Brady retire.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Really like the Shawn Springs signing by the Patriots. I think its definitely an area they needed to address after last season's disaster at corner

Curious to see what happens at LB though, curious if one of the younger guys like Crable or Guyton will step up? Mayo is about to be the franchise on D, plus you gotta assume Thomas is gonna bounce back from that arm injury but other spots will be interesting. Just took a look at the roster to see if the Pats made any LB moves that I wasn't aware of - haha they brought back Tully Banta-Cain, probably going to take Izzo's old spot on specials.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

What's the word on Rodney Harrison?

Is he returning or done or what? I've heard like 3 different things, but I'm not sure what's what (in the butt).

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Chiefs signed Zach Thomas btw

[VonErichLives]

Harrison & Wayner make Manning better, Moss & Welker make Brady better.

Give Manning or Brady an avg rec corp and they will still find a way to win, that's what makes them great.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sean Segaloff

[Heros Welcome]

With the rumors of Tony Gonzalez possible becoming Atlanta's new Tight End, I am very iffy on the possibility.

I mean the guy is still a stud regardless of his age. He brings leadership to a very young team and becomes another weapon in the arsenal for Ryan.

The downside is the fact that we would have to give up a 2nd round pick, and we need as many picks as we can get to retool our defense.

If the trade happens, I would expect/hope that ATL trades down from 24 with someone like the Giants at 29 while nabbing their second round pick.

[Kris P Lettus]

Rumors The Saints are gonna go after Beanie Wells..

Dunno how I feel about this.. I mean, I realize we need another RB cause Bush will never be an every down back, but I figured we'd go after a veteran "bruiser" and go after a DB or LB in the draft..

Dunno what to think of this..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Did Pierre Thomas drop off the face of the earth or something?

[Kris P Lettus]

He is a small "elusive" back (like Reggie).. We need a between the tackles "bruiser" and Aarron Stecker aint him..

[ClockShot]

And the schedules are out.

[Team Sheep]

Lol I swear the Jets always get the Patriots at home in week 2.

[Kris P Lettus]

NFC South plays the NFC and AFC East this year.. Saints also play the Rams and and the Lions..

LOL

:wavesad:

[Hanso Amore]

Im def going to Bills vs saints...see a shootout before it gets cold.

[OssMan]

Minnesota in Week 17 again? Really?

[Boomer]

Falcons at Pats, Cowboys, and Giants, and also play four teams coming off of their bye week. Yay.