NFL 2009 Off Season Thread

[VonErichLives]

:o @ Vel

sorry to use simple math to prove you wrong again...

that being said, I actually was a big Favre fan even have his jersey, I just think it would be pretty crappy for him go to the Vikes... I could actually probably deal with him going to a team that wasn't a rival of the team he spent so many years with.

and yes, I do think he drags some of this out himself, but the media is equal to blame to some extent.

[Kris P Lettus]

I just want to see him play, if he wants to play.. The only reason I ever cared about the Packers was b/c of Favre..

And Gilbert Brown..

[road doggy dogg]

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[Krimzon7]

So it seems like Cincy will be hosting the Hard Knocks film crew this year. AS IF CHAD JOHNSON NEEDS MORE FUCKING CAMERA TIME. I want to punch Chad Johnson square in the face.

[Krimzon7]

I will never call him Ochocinco. His mamma called him Clay, Ima call him CLAY!

[Krimzon7]

Roy Williams (safety) signs with the Bengals

Interesting


Yes, it is interesting. If he is actually in tune, he could still be decent AS A STRONG SAFETY. However, I am much happier with the acquisition of Brian Leonard.

[Hanso Amore]

James Harrison is refusing to go to the White House.

Because he says that "he thinks the president would have invited Arizona if they won" and that upsets him. He thinks if they want to invite the steelers, they should do it win or lose.

Does this dumb fuck realize the Super Bowl Winners always go to the White house?

Honestly....What an idiot.

[Gonzo]

Wow, what a twat.

[RP]

LOL Bengals are on Hard Knocks this year. And coincidently Chad Johnson is being officially unleased on the NFL as Ocho Cinco.

I love the Bengals honestly. They make the worst PR decisions ever. I think if we could combine the Bengals PR decisions and the Broncos personall decisions, we'd have Satans team.

[ClockShot]

Interesting.

John Gruden to replace Tony Kornheiser on MNF starting this season.

I'll let you guys track down why.

[SammyG]

yesssssssss no more kornheiser

Love him on PTI, but he should stay there.

[Jeritron]

How is he a douchebag??

When the Packers first decided to get rid of him, he wanted to go to Minn.. The Packers made it so he couldn't, so he went to NY.. Now, he's figured out a way to go to Minn..

I'll say again, if it was up to him, he'd still be a Packer..

He's a huge douchebag dude. It's pathetic.

[Jeritron]

I'll say again, if it was up to him, he'd still be a Packer..

Yea, and if it were up to any retired pro athlete in their 80s, they'd still be on their team. That's a given. But it shouldn't be up to him. He can't accept what every other athlete eventually has to accept: the end.

The guy can't accept that he's past his prime. The Packers needed to move on. They needed him to give an answer and stick with it, which he failed to do countless times. Still tracking.

He expects them to put up with that? He expects them to accept the fact that he's not very good anymore and can't physically continue on much longer, yet tries to?
They have to put their team and future in a holding pattern so he can continue to live his glory days and refuse to accept his age?

He's suffering from a mid-life crisis and instead of buying a Porsche he's jerking the NFL around.
He expects all that shit to fly because it's the Bret Favre show and he doesn't care about the teams he's using. Apparently he also doesn't care about his dignity, respect, legacy, or the pathetic scene he's creating.
All he cares about is the spotlight, and it really is quite sad because it seems to be a sickness for him.

It will be fun to see him throw more INTs than touchdowns though. Especially if the team inches into the playoffs and he blows it again on the last play.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You know what I love about all of this? The sports world obsesses over Brett Favre and blows all of this way out of proportion while Kurt Warner- a guy whose career averages are better than Favre's, has been to more Super Bowls than Favre, has the 4th highest QB rating in NFL history, and has the highest career yards per game avg in NFL history- just quietly goes about his business.

If I had a kid old enough to understand football, I would tell him to look up to Kurt Warner. That's how you're supposed to conduct yourself. Like a man.


So in the interest of fairness, I will take it upon myself to balance out any Favre discussion with a fun fact about Kurt Warner's fantastic career.

[DaveBrawl]

Thank you. I wish Kurt Warner was the qb of my team. Don't get me wrong, I think all the Farve talk is hilarious at this point, but not recognition is given to Kurt Warner.

[Triple Naitch]

New York Jets fans, I present to you your new sexy hunk of a quarterback. :naughty:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/05/custom_1242734544913_00007f.jpg

[Mr. Monday Morning]

You know what I love about all of this? The sports world obsesses over Brett Favre and blows all of this way out of proportion while Kurt Warner- a guy whose career averages are better than Favre's, has been to more Super Bowls than Favre, has the 4th highest QB rating in NFL history, and has the highest career yards per game avg in NFL history- just quietly goes about his business.

If I had a kid old enough to understand football, I would tell him to look up to Kurt Warner. That's how you're supposed to conduct yourself. Like a man.


So in the interest of fairness, I will take it upon myself to balance out any Favre discussion with a fun fact about Kurt Warner's fantastic career.

Outside of his god-bothering habit, I would agree with this. It just seems a bit unrealistic that God would know the ins and outs of NFL contracts to give him advise on his new deal, but w/e.

[DaveWadding]

Kurt Warner is the man.

[ClockShot]

New York Jets fans, I present to you your new sexy hunk of a quarterback. :naughty:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/05/custom_1242734544913_00007f.jpg

So that's who was on the cover of the NY Post this morning. And here I thought it Spitzer's Callgirl.

[Nervous Ferret]

As long as he doesn't do a shoot with baby farm animals :o

[SammyG]

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Sanchez, amazing

[road doggy dogg]

Outside of his god-bothering habit, I would agree with this. It just seems a bit unrealistic that God would know the ins and outs of NFL contracts to give him advise on his new deal, but w/e.

What's wrong with him being religious? From what I read, he's really cool about it and doesn't try to press his beliefs onto other people or any other nonsense.


I've never really been on the Warner bandwagon, but he's def a player I can respect more than most. I still think Favre, in his prime, was a better QB. Present day though, if I was forced to pick between the two, I'd go with Warner.
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[DrA]

Bret Favre is the most over-rated quarterback of all time.

[DrA]

Actually I take that back. Joe Nameth is.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

What's wrong with him being religious? From what I read, he's really cool about it and doesn't try to press his beliefs onto other people or any other nonsense.


I've never really been on the Warner bandwagon, but he's def a player I can respect more than most. I still think Favre, in his prime, was a better QB. Present day though, if I was forced to pick between the two, I'd go with Warner.
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There's nothing wrong with being religious. Claiming that God is giving you advice in your contract negotiations so you can squeeze the Cards for a few extra million is taking it a bit far.

[DrA]

Actually I take that back. Joe Nameth is.

Actually Troy Aikman probably is come to think of it.

[Gonzo]

Actually I take that back. Joe Nameth is.

Actually Troy Aikman probably is come to think of it.

Definitely Namath over Aikman, and I'm a Giants fan.

[Nervous Ferret]

yeah Namath is horribly overrated and I am a Jets fan. He has a career losing record as a starter ffs. :o Then again, he did quarterback the Jets to victory in the most important game in the history of the NFL :-\ He WAS the MVP too. I don't know at what point his unimpressive stats and the fact that he never did much else outweighs that...

[VonErichLives]

Actually Troy Aikman probably is come to think of it.

ok, real funny.... who hacked DrA account?

[RP]

New York Jets fans, I present to you your new sexy hunk of a quarterback. :naughty:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/05/custom_1242734544913_00007f.jpg

Whats the problem here?

Namath posed with his junk in his hand once.

[RP]

Atleast he's not seducing sheep like Tom Brady.

[SammyG]

Plus he is dating that girl.

[Jeritron]

Are you implying that Tom Brady is dating the sheep?

[Jeritron]

Tom Brady is a god

[parkmania]

Tom Brady is a goof

Fixed.

[Jeritron]

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0626/nfl_g_brady_moss1_580.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL Ryan Leaf

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, NOLA gets the SuperBowl in 2013.. They are also doing somethign like $85 mill of renovations to the Super Dome.. The NFL also OK'd a deal to keep the Saints in NOLA until 2025..

All great news for me..

[VonErichLives]

Are you implying that Tom Brady is dating the sheep?

If Giselle is a sheep... well, all I can say is... "baaaaaaaaaa"....

[Krimzon7]

Well, thank God Ben Utecht is saving us from a thugged out Hard KNocks
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/guitar-man/30779b2e-2482-43bb-850f-b798a9374021

[SammyG]

FUCK, Rams were supposed to get Rod Hood. Fucking Browns.

[RP]

Assistant head coach and receivers coach Clyde Christensen is overseeing the offense following Moore's departure while Pete Metzelaars, Mudd's assistant, has taken over full-time position duties. The team also hired interns Frank Winters and Ron Johnson to help with the offensive line and receivers, respectively.

"It's not normal not having a full coaching staff,'' Manning said. "I know we hired a couple of guys to come in, but these guys are learning. They're not offering a lot of coaching out there, I can assure you of that.''




Manning just blew up these new coaches we hired. Pretty funny. I agree tbh. I dont know what the fuck is going on with this retirement BS. But hiring a new O Coordinator and a new O Lineman coach is not a good thing. These guys have to come in and adjust to Manning and the Colts. They cant just bring there own system in. Especially when the system we run has been perfected and worked for the last 10 years. So how can they possibly go coach Manning and this offense? It's a shitty situation. Not the coaches fault, but Manning is right.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's alright Peyton Manning is a coach on the field so he can take care of it.

[SammyG]

Deuce Mcaallister:

On the St. Louis Rams:

“Definitely sounds like a pretty good fit. Just looking at some of the things they’re trying to do in St. Louis, you have to definitely look at it but at the same time there has to be interest not only on the team side but the player side and it’s definitely there on my side… One of the things that’s going to happen is everybody’s going to get a fresh chance in St. Louis just because of the new regime that’s in there. Guys are going to go out there and they’re going to play hard and they’re going to play basically for positions. You have to respect it. Everyone’s at a clean slate.”


.. Krispy ..

[SammyG]

also lol @ Manning.

[SammyG]

1. Rams moving outta St.Louis almost definitely next year.

2. Rams have genuine interest in Vick. Oh god.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Vick and the Rams seem destined for each other.

[Krimzon7]

Either the Rams or Seahawks.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Thought Jim Mora Jr didn't like Vick's work ethic that much when he was in Atlanta, why would he take a risk on him now?

[SammyG]

Wow if the Rams get Vick. Really don't know how I'd feel about it

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Put his locker right next to Leonard Little's

[Supreme Olajuwon]

IT'S MURDAAAAAAAA

[Krimzon7]

Jim Mora was still a Vick Supporter. I would think that if he had to choose between Vick and Seneca Wallace, he'd take VIck anyday. Then again, who wouldn't?

[McLegend]

Peta

[SammyG]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH.

[Krimzon7]

Sick Burn??? Totally not. Didn't Vick just ink a deal to have VICK do some PSA's for them? Yes, yes he did. You know that Peta is next in line.

[Big Fat Mike]

"Hi, I'm Michael Vick. Just want to let all you little inner city thug wannabe's that dogs is people too, so don't make them kill for sport. Or else some white people with badges and big words will come and take away your millions of dollars and endorsements. Prison isnt so bad though, there's always a new guard that wants you to sign something for them and they always have the best stuff to trade. Did I mention that I'm Michael Vick?Anyway, I'm Michael Vick, and this has been me speaking for 30 required seconds."

Or something along those lines.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vince Young wants to be a starter, don't think he can hold down a position unless they put in a totally non-traditional offense for him.

Also Rodney Harrison retired today, dude was a beast - played unbelievable for the Patriots at the end of his career.

http://www.trunkbunker.com/rodneyharrison.jpg
Probably my favorite Harrison play

Think it's pretty easy to guess what my least favorite Harrison play is...

[SammyG]

Always hated Rodney Harrison. Cheap shot on Trent Green that preseason.. but then again.. that paved the way for Warner to be a starter for us.. SUPERBOWL

[Gonzo]

I honestly hate Rodney Harrison too, but probably one of the more memorable players of the current generation.

Good career. :y:

[RP]

Rodney Harrison might be the most overrated NFL player of all time.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How is he overrated? Because he received tons of accolades and you don't like him?

[Innovator]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/02/13/amd_giants_catch_42.jpg

[road doggy dogg]

Oh hey I wasn't expecting that at all.
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[Innovator]

good for you

Just pointing out my favorite Harrison moment

[road doggy dogg]

No, you're just being extremely obvious in pointing out Stima's least-favourite Harrison moment.
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[Innovator]

Or my favorite

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Cool

He still won 2 Superbowls while he was a member of the Patriots so it's all good.

[RP]

How is he overrated? Because he received tons of accolades and you don't like him?

LOL what accolades has he recieved?

[RP]

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Tom Brady's surgeon spoke for the first time Monday about the star's rehabilitation from his knee reconstruction, and the doctor didn't try to hide his astonishment at Brady's recovery.


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The Los Angeles Times reported Dr. Neal ElAttrache said Brady "even exceeded what I thought he was going to be able to do, and I was expecting big things from him."

ElAttrache said: "Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different. By and large, they follow the same biologic rules as the rest of us. However, they're able to do things with their neuromuscular control and their strength gains and how they respond to exercise a little bit differently. Within safe limits of how we know how these things heal after an operation like this, I had to take that into consideration."

Brady returned to organized team activities with the New England Patriots on Tuesday and spoke to the media for the first time Thursday since suffering a season-ending tear in several knee ligaments in the first game of the season.


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Tom Brady has exceeded even his doctor's high expectations in rehabbing his knee following his October surgery.
A two-time Super Bowl Most Valuable Player and the NFL MVP in 2007, Brady crumpled to the ground in September when he was tackled in the pocket by Kansas City Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard.

ElAttrache, an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in L.A. and the Los Angeles Dodgers' team doctor, performed the knee reconstruction on Oct. 6. In addition to Brady, ElAttrache has performed surgeries on other top-flight athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers' Kwame Brown and the Dodgers' Jason Schmidt.

"With regard to his recovery of strength, I've never seen anything quite like it," ElAttrache said to the Times. "With an average person, it would have taken probably twice as long to get range of motion and strength back."

There were several small setbacks as Brady had to have follow-up procedures for a post-operative staph infection that developed.

"I remember when we came out of the original procedure and five days later things weren't going the way that we hoped, and I think it was his instincts and quick decision-making that got me in there before anything really bad could happen," Brady said to the Times. "If you misdiagnose something like that, then you have big problems. It was his judgment and instincts, and then him assuring me that everything was going to be OK.


“
Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different.

”
-- Dr. Neal ElAttrache, who performed Tom Brady's knee reconstruction

"Obviously, with how I feel now, he was 100 percent right in what he did. It's great for me to have so much trust and to know that hopefully nothing ever comes up again but if it does that I have somebody like him in my corner."

Brady told the Times neither he nor ElAttrache doubted Brady would return for the 2009 season. But that point was brought home to ElAttrache during a workout in January in which he got to see Brady in his natural environment.

"When I saw the happiness on his face whenever he had that ball in his hands and was able to get out there and move around, I thought, 'Wow, he's much further ahead than I even thought he could be,'" ElAttrache told the Times.

"That was sort of his gift to me to show me we're good."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.




Can you say steroids? Yes yes.

[SammyG]

If the Golden Boy ever got caught with roids, I don't know what I would believe in anymore.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL what accolades has he recieved?
Oh I don't know, he only made the NFL All Pro 1st team three times and the 2nd team once. He only 2 Pro Bowls but I'd say that was more because of reputation. Played in 4 Superbowls, starting in 3 of them/winning 2 of them and he also holds the record for the most tackles in a season by a Patriots' defensive back.

I know I said accolades but he's obviously had a very good career, especially coming up huge in the playoffs (ask your boy Peyton Manning & Donvan McNabb about that). I highly doubt you think he's the most overrated player in the history of the NFL and you are just saying it to be a retard. Also you probably need to look up the definition of overrated, most people talking about him now in the media tag him as a guy who was a great player but a level below a Hall of Famer, which I think fits.

[RP]

He was junk

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Brilliant

[SammyG]

Sorry, RP, you just got owned.

[RP]

I did?

Sammy

you cried at a party. That life owned. Ok? Deal with this and leave.

[SammyG]

Haha, that was also like fucking 2 years ago. That's over with. I am just saying. Stima very logically destroyed your argument.

[RP]

No he didnt. I could name about 20 players who arent considered shit, that have the same credentials. I just dont. Because stima knows he's a homer and overates his favorite players.


And you cried at a part. It doesnt matter when it happend. It happend.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'd like to see this list of 20 players who aren't considered shit.

[RP]

I'll make it

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Even if you could (which you can't) don't you think someone could just make a counter argument listing off players who have similar credentials that are considered great? One of the top of my head is Walter Jones, who was a 3 time All-Pro first team I believe.

You just don't like Rodney Harrison, which is perfectly fine, but saying he was junk is pretty stupid. Can't say I'm surprised you'd say that though.

[RP]

Rodney Harrison made a career in San Diego making dirty hits, getting suspended and being injured. Then he goes to New England, a well established team by then. Takes over the saftey roll and mysteriously assumes some sort of leadership because he's old and he's Rodney Harrison. Despite the fact that Bruschi was always the leader of that team. You're favorite play picture of Harrison is fucking hilarious, because Manning for some reason, threw the ball right at him. Wow Great play Rodney! I could have intercepted that ball.

Do you know how many players i can name that played in 4 Superbowls and won 1 to 2 of them? Its a big number.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I concur with Innovator's favorite Rodney Harrison moment. But yeah, saying Harrison wasn't any good is retarded. Guy may have been a dick, but he could play. And even being a dick, certainly not my least favorite safety.

Football season is still too far away.</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Way to single out one little thing and make it seem like that's the only reason why I think he was a good player, do you work for FOX News? I want to see this list of 20 players who made the All Pro first team 3 times and are considered shit. Maybe you can give me a list of 20 players who have 30 sacks & 30 INTs in their career while you are at it.

[RP]

i probably can

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol

[RP]

To put Rodney Harrisons career into perspective

Bob Sanders has

2× All-Pro selection (2005, 2007)
2× Pro Bowl selection (2005, 2007)
Super Bowl XLI champion
2007 AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year
2007 GMC Defensive Player of the Year
2007 AFC Defensive Player Of The Year

In 5 seasons compared to Harrisons 8 seasons.




How bout Mike Brown, 1 probowl selection, 2 All Pro teams. Thats pretty comparable.

Roy Williams has 5 Pro bowl selections and 1 All Pro team. And he cant even cover a reciever.

Tony Parish
Patrick Surtain
Chris McCalister - 3 pro bowls, 2 all pros, 1 superbowl win
Ronde Baber- 5 pro bowls, 5 all pro's, 1 superbowl win, 37 int's, 23 sacks.
John Lynch - 9 pro bowls, 4 All Pro's, 1 Superbowl win
Troy Vincent- 5 pro bowls, 3 all pro's
Charles Woodson- 5 pro bowls, 4 all pro's
Blaine Bishop- 4 pro bowls, 3 all pro's
Carnell Lake- 5 pro bowls, 4 all pro's. 1990 all decade team too.
Robert Griffith
Leroy Butler
Ray Buchanon
Merton Hanks


Harrison dont stick out from none of these people. You're trying to give him all this undeserved credit for joining an established team who were Superbowl favorites with or without him. Not to mention he was injured like 25% of the time he was on the Patriots. He's nothing special at all.

[road doggy dogg]

Stima isn't saying Harrison is as good as Lynch or Woodson or Barber etc... I understand that you're saying Harrison isn't one of the best, but that's not to say he's terrible.
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[RP]

Rodney Harrison has missed 33 games in the last 4 seasons for New England. The 2004 Superbowl season was the only season Harrison played 16 games. When the Patriots won in 2005, he played 3. I love how you make him out to be some Superbowl hero too. Its such a Patriots fan thing to do.

[RP]

And correct me if i'm wrong, didnt Rodney Harrison get busted taking HgH? Yahhhhhhhh.... have some.

[RP]

How's that feel? Soak it in. Lemme know how that feels. Your Patriots hero is a cheater. Take a big whiff of that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Rodney Harrison has missed 33 games in the last 4 seasons for New England. The 2004 Superbowl season was the only season Harrison played 16 games. When the Patriots won in 2005, he played 3. I love how you make him out to be some Superbowl hero too. Its such a Patriots fan thing to do.
Bob Sanders has missed 35 games in his career out of a possible 80, including 12 during the Colts SB season, and you suck his dick so much your cheek bones are starting to cave in. Come on now.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm not even disagreeing with your main point. I think Harrison is extremely overrated. But let's not be retarded here. Stick with the stuff that'll help your argument.

[RP]

I'm not even disagreeing with your main point. I think Harrison is extremely overrated. But let's not be retarded here. Stick with the stuff that'll help your argument.

Are your just dumb or something? Yah, Harrison missing so many games for the Patriots should be a mute point, because i'm a Bob Sanders fan and he's missed alot of games? Is that what you're really trying to say here? Because i'm talking about Harrison in general compared to several players. Bob Sanders still has a good 6 to 8 years to go in his career.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Harrison is pretty comparable to all those guys on that list, I'd say he is better than a couple of guys on there but obviously not all of them. I wouldn't really consider any of those players "shit" either though. I don't think Harrison is the greatest player ever nor did I say he was as good or better than Bob Sanders (no idea why you brought him up). Bob Sanders is probably the 2nd best safety in the NFL right now. Maybe Harrison is a bit overrated I don't know? I didn't think he was rated all that highly by a lot of people but I could be wrong about that. Either way I know he definitely isn't shit and saying that, then trying to defend it is pretty stupid. He did get caught with HGH which is pretty stupid move but I still don't think that knocks him down to a "shit" player. Also athletes aren't heroes for me, I'm a grown man.

lol @ you calling people homers then bringing up Bob Sanders career statistics out of no where to put Harrison's "career into perspective" though. How exactly does that put Harrison's career into perspective? All it proves is that Bob Sanders is better than Rodney Harrison, so anyone who isn't as good as Bob Sanders is shit now? Damn I guess the NFL is chalk full of some really shit safeties then.

[RP]

thats about right

[Krimzon7]

I'll check back for more NFL information and discussion once this Bob Sanders/ Rodney Harrison cock fest ends.

[road doggy dogg]

How is a discussion about Rodney Harrison, a topic that is ENTIRELY relevant since he just announced his retirement, not football discussion? What exactly would you like to be discussed during the OFFSEASON? Go away.
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[Gonzo]

I like the passion Harrison brought to his game, but for me personally I think he is easy to hate if you're not a Pats fan. I feel the same way about Brian Dawkins, obviously he was an Eagle player and I'm a Giants fan, so I'm clearly biased. Kinda started hating on Dawkins really bad when he ended Ike Hilliard's season one year on a questionable late hit.

[Gonzo]

I'll check back for more NFL information and discussion once this Bob Sanders/ Rodney Harrison cock fest ends.

How is a discussion about Rodney Harrison, a topic that is ENTIRELY relevant since he just announced his retirement, not football discussion? What exactly would you like to be discussed during the OFFSEASON? Go away.
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Sometimes the retarded pissing contests do get annoying. Partially entertaining at first but then it just gets stupid. Nothing worse than when VEL and RP go at it.

[Krimzon7]

:roll: Ohh RDD you silly guy. I will simply not respond to your posts and posturing.


Ahem, now... There shouldn't be any denial of what Harrison is. a solid enough defender to be the second best player on the San Deigo Chargers while Junior Seau was there. He was able to find his way into a system and team who could use his deteriorating talents. He won some rings yipee, goodbye Harrison.

And Bob Sanders would define overrated until he can string some solid HEALTY seasons together.

[road doggy dogg]

Sometimes the retarded pissing contests do get annoying. Partially entertaining at first but then it just gets stupid. Nothing worse than when VEL and RP go at it.

So start another topic of conversation then. What's wrong with two people having a DISCUSSION about a sports player? I never understand why people bitch about that. The topic is about the NFL offseason. Pretty sure that's what they're talking about.
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[road doggy dogg]

i probably can

Oh, and to add to the conversation.


I highly doubt you can, since Harrison is the only player in history with over 30 sacks and interceptions. Just sayin'.
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[Krimzon7]

Adrian WIlson Re ups with Cardinals. Good news for him. I truly think that the Cards are in trouble this year.

[Krimzon7]

Did anybody catch the soundbite that Rex Ryan gave the media? I will go and search for it.

Additionally, there is a sound byte of Dungy shitting on the mental makeup of Jay Cutler. All are interesting topics for discussion. Ham away my friends.

[road doggy dogg]

Adrian WIlson Re ups with Cardinals. Good news for him. I truly think that the Cards are in trouble this year.

The deal is supposedly in the 8.5m per year range. Gonna make it really hard for the Cards to lock up Boldin now.
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[RP]

Oh, and to add to the conversation.


I highly doubt you can, since Harrison is the only player in history with over 30 sacks and interceptions. Just sayin'.
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big fucking whoop

[Krimzon7]

I think that They'll take advantage of the uncapped year next year. Overall, I think moving Boldin would've been the best move. However, yuo don't want to piss off your HOF Quarterback.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Are your just dumb or something? Yah, Harrison missing so many games for the Patriots should be a mute point, because i'm a Bob Sanders fan and he's missed alot of games? Is that what you're really trying to say here? Because i'm talking about Harrison in general compared to several players. Bob Sanders still has a good 6 to 8 years to go in his career.

You said Rodney Harrison was overrated by Pats fans and were critical of people who put him up on a pedestal despite the fact that he wasn't that critical a part of a team that was already Super Bowl contenders.


Yet you have no problem talking about how great Bob Sanders is on a daily basis when he's essentially the same player. He's a good but injury prone player on a team that was a Super Bowl contender without him.


And me bringing up Bob Sanders is completely relevant because it shows you're a hypocrite.

You're calling out Stima for being on Harrison's nuts (which in 7 years of posting on here I have never seen him do) yet you do the same thing all the time.

[road doggy dogg]

I think that They'll take advantage of the uncapped year next year. Overall, I think moving Boldin would've been the best move. However, yuo don't want to piss off your HOF Quarterback.

They also probably realize that Boldin, for better or worse, is generally a good "team guy", and won't put up a real stink if his contract demands aren't met. It gives them a bit of time and leverage to work with, which may be why they focused on getting other players taken care of before him.

Could be a big offseason next year in Arizona with the uncapped year. Warner might not even be back either, he's getting older. Their feel-good story could be pretty short-lived.
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[Krimzon7]

While the masses are ready to write off Matt Leinart, I'm not. I think if they can keep Fitz, Beenie, and at least Breaston he could be a really good QB. Now the defense is another matter. WIlson is a solid start in keeping a mediocre corp together. Dockett should settle down with Three full years on his deal left, and they have to figure out what to do with Bertrand Berry. Did they do anything to get better on defense? Greg Ellis is available.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ahem, now... There shouldn't be any denial of what Harrison is. a solid enough defender to be the second best player on the San Deigo Chargers while Junior Seau was there. He was able to find his way into a system and team who could use his deteriorating talents. He won some rings yipee, goodbye Harrison.



HOLD THE PHONE, MAVIS.
Donnie fucking Edwards.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno about the Cardinals, I want to think they were a fluke and won't be as good next year but who is gonna challenge them from the NFC West? Could be a toss up with the new coaches in the division.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah Cards will probably win the West by default, but who knows after that.

One team I'm excited about this year is the Texans. I think Slaton could be the real deal, and obvs the Texans do to since they haven't added any real competition this offseason. Their passing offense is going to be basically identical to last year, which is good. They helped the D out a bunch in the draft (loved the Cushing pick), but who knows if it will be enough.
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[Krimzon7]

HOLD THE PHONE, MAVIS.
Donnie fucking Edwards.

When you thought about the best players on the Chargers Edwards came behind Seau and Harrison...or so I thought :-\

I can agree with Edwards being one of the best Chargers during that time though.

[road doggy dogg]

So Westbrook had yet another surgery (nobody's surprised). How much longer can this guy last??? Seems like he's getting work done every offseason.
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[parkmania]

Who's had more surgery: Westbrook or Joan Rivers?

[SammyG]

Steven Jackson

[VonErichLives]

Sometimes the retarded pissing contests do get annoying. Partially entertaining at first but then it just gets stupid. Nothing worse than when VEL and RP go at it.

yeah, I get tired of being right and RP being wrong...

Harrison was a good player who had a good career...

Was he the best? No, and I don't think anyone tried to say that.

Was he a "super bowl hero"... missed that one... seems like another thing RP made up... but that's nothing new...

Love how he even tried to hint that Brady used Roids but there is no evidence at all...

What week do the Pats beat the colts this year?

[VonErichLives]

Did anybody catch the soundbite that Rex Ryan gave the media? I will go and search for it.

Additionally, there is a sound byte of Dungy shitting on the mental makeup of Jay Cutler. All are interesting topics for discussion. Ham away my friends.

the Ryan one when asked about the Patriots...

If that was the one, the question came around here if there was some behind the scenes issue between the two... but seems more like Ryan just running his mouth...

AFC East will once again be a power house...

If TO doesn't implode all 4 teams will be good... I think the Phins take a step back, get a decent pick next year and than compete for the div for the next few years.

Dunno about the Jets... rookie QB's can be a crap shoot... but if this guy turns out to be everything they hope he is...

For the Pats, I look at the 18-1 team and then this team... assuming Brady is 100%... don't see a huge difference...

can't wait for the season to start...

[VonErichLives]

oh and no, I'm not saying they run the table, wouldn't completely shock me... but they have a tough schedule and 6 tough AFC east games...

[road doggy dogg]

Steven Jackson

Gonna be a beast this year. For my fantasy league this year he's my #2 ranked player behind Forte. (it's PPR hence why Peterson isn't undisputed #1)
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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

For the Pats, I look at the 18-1 team and then this team... assuming Brady is 100%... don't see a huge difference...The defense has a lot of question marks, especially in the secondary and depth at the LB spot. Picked up Lenon from the Lions but he was a 4-3 cover 2 MLB, not a 3-4 one. Wouldn't think that's a big deal but veteran MLB Victor Hobson could not grasp the scheme last year & was released

The offense though, if Brady is back 100%, could be even better. This year's receiving core is more impressive and if Sammy Morris has the same type of year as last year pre-injury their running game could be pretty dangerous. Only thing is injuries in the backfield, Sammy Morris & Maroney are both coming off one (Maroney off a few) and Fred Taylor isn't exactly young anymore. Kevin Faulk isn't any younger either but I would expect him to be his usual self.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Jets D is the key. If Ryan can get them up and running to Ravens-lite levels they'll be pretty dangerous - wouldn't even have to lean on Sanchez that much as long as they keep their run game going.

[road doggy dogg]

Ryan is good but Jets D won't be nearly as good as Ravens.
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[VonErichLives]

The defense has a lot of question marks, especially in the secondary and depth at the LB spot. Picked up Lenon from the Lions but he was a 4-3 cover 2 MLB, not a 3-4 one. Wouldn't think that's a big deal but veteran MLB Victor Hobson could not grasp the scheme last year & was released

The offense though, if Brady is back 100%, could be even better. This year's receiving core is more impressive and if Sammy Morris has the same type of year as last year pre-injury their running game could be pretty dangerous. Only thing is injuries in the backfield, Sammy Morris & Maroney are both coming off one (Maroney off a few) and Fred Taylor isn't exactly young anymore. Kevin Faulk isn't any younger either but I would expect him to be his usual self.

yeah, D is a concern... I think Lenon will be a good fit and, I expect another monster year from Mayo...

But the secondary will be a ? mark once again... but with the exception of Samuel there isn't a huge difference between the team 2yrs ago and this team... unless i'm forgetting someone....

yeah, we don't have Vrabel, but we didn't have Mayo back then... so a little give in take...

ugh... just want the season to start... what are the odds Brady doesn't play a down all preseason?

and I forgot about Taylor... lots of injury and age questions but enough depth there they should be good at RB.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Shawn Springs could be a huge pick up for the secondary. I know he's a bit on the older side now but from what I've heard he did a pretty nice job against TO the 2 times he faced off against him last year. Curious to see who steps up and plays opposite of Springs at the other starting CB spot.

I think they are expecting a lot from Crable this year as well, I think he could fit the mold of a 3-4 OLB after watching him play in college. Too bad he lost the entire season last year due to injury.

AFC East is gonna be real this year though, will definitely be an interesting year.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ryan is good but Jets D won't be nearly as good as Ravens.
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Ya true. Dunno Jenkins was a decent pickup but he needs to stay in shape, which he's never done. David Harris is awesome, and they might actually get Gholston to do something this year.

I really like the Lito Sheppard trade though. He was pretty damn good a couple years ago, no reason he can't get back to that level. Him & Revis is a pretty nice pairing.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Gholston won't give them anything, so obvious he wasn't worth the 6th overall or whatever he was. Defensive version of Vernon Davis.

Also heard Joey Porter saying the AFC East still runs through Miami, why? Just because they got lucky last year and won it? Every team has arguably gotten better while the Dolphins really have not.

[SammyG]

It does simply because they are the AFC East champions. Every division winner has a right to say that IMO

[RP]

Well, for one. They won it. No excuses. They also run an offense that your coach cant seem to figure out and they drafted a QB that fits that offense perfectly. I still think the Pats will win that division because Tom Brady will trot out on the field for the first game with an HGH producer that acts as his tendons and runs through his body at all times.


No.. Pats will win it.

But I would be so entertained if the Dolphins go full blown Wild Cat with White and Pennington. Use Pennington as a decoy sometimes. NFL hasnt seen new stuff like this and if the Dolphins do it like 75% of the time, i'd love to watch it.


You're giving up on Gholston and Davis way too early. Vernon Davis will be a helluva a TE this year. With Gholston, it just depends on if he wants to toughen up and be a stud. But comparing Davis to Gholston is way off. Davis hasnt even had a QB to get used to in San Fran. He's seen like 3 different coaches. Different O Coordinators. I think Davis is gunna have a break out season if the 49ers stay with Shaun Hill.

[RP]

It does simply because they are the AFC East champions. Every division winner has a right to say that IMO

Bingo

I cant talk shit about the Titans that much if they say they'll control the division again. They won it last year. They get the right to talk shit. Colts will crush them this year though. Manning will win another MVP this year. I'm promise you. Donald Brown might be rookied of the Year too. I dont know about Addai, but man do i love Donald Brown right now.

[road doggy dogg]

I dunno though. "On paper" I think Miami had the worst offseason of the 4 teams and is the worst team in the division right now. Of course, that doesn't always necessarily mean anything at all.
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[SammyG]

It doesn't matter. Until Miami is mathematically eliminated from Division champion consideration, they rule the AFC East.

Think of it this way. The Lakers won the west, in the NBA this year. Say everyone else improves, and they don't. The Lakers are still considered best in the west until proven otherwise.

[road doggy dogg]

Yes, I'm aware of the connotation that being a division leader comes with.
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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't really know, I know "technically" they can say that since they did get the playoff spot but if I was in the Dolphins position I wouldn't be saying anything. It's not like they ran away with the division, they had the same record as a Patriot team lead by Matt Cassel, beat out a Jets team with a QB that faltered at the end as well as the Buffalo Bills that had injuries on top of injuries. Patriots also avenged their 20 point loss with a 20 point win in Miami at the end of the season, too bad the Patriots couldn't figure out the Wildcat offense by then though otherwise it could have been an even bigger victory...

Then throw in the fact that every Patriots, Bills and Jets all made improvements while Dolphins brought Jason Taylor and made a reach for a "Wildcat QB" in the 3rd round. Jets probably made the most improvements by upgrading their defense, I don't know about their QB situation but their D is gonna scary I think. Dolphins also went 1-15 two season ago, so lets see if last year was merely a fluke or the real deal. I just saying Joey Porter has a history of talking shit then having it blow up in his face a lot of the time, that's all.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Joey Porter is a dumbshit douchebag. There's really no need for further elaboration.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It doesn't matter. Until Miami is mathematically eliminated from Division champion consideration, they rule the AFC East.

Think of it this way. The Lakers won the west, in the NBA this year. Say everyone else improves, and they don't. The Lakers are still considered best in the west until proven otherwise.
Not really. The Rays won the American League pennant last year and were picked by many to finish 3rd in their own division this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Chad Johnson told me he plans to wear all gold next year on Twitter, cleats, gloves, chinstrap etc lol. When I asked him how he is gonna get by the uniform police (because he couldn't a few years ago with the crazy picture cleats) he said not worry about it. Probably complete bullshit but still made me laugh

[SammyG]

I need to get on Twitter, this shit is awesome. Do you have to have Internet on your phone to get Tweets like that, Stima?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No you can just do it online

I thought the idea of it was pretty dumb until I tried it

[SammyG]

What is his twitter name? I just signed up. THE REAL SHAQ is my only friend right now or whatever

[road doggy dogg]

THE REAL SHAQ is probably the most interesting Twitterer I follow. For hilarity, anyway.

I follow Kevin Smith and Matt Forte but they're pretty boring. Should prolly look up Chad Johnson, prolly got tons of interesting things to say.

Even though I feel like a douchebag for it, I follow Drew Rosenhaus on Twitter just 'cause he updates it pretty often.
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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sometimes its dumb when they make posts like "Just landed in Vegas!" or something, its cool when they got interesting things going on or they are responding to people on there. I remember Marbury said he hadn't got the chance to play Brian Scalabrine 1 on 1 yet but he reassured me when he did he wouldn't give him a black eye like Sam Cassel did when they played 1 on 1 lol

Chad Johnson's name is OGOchoCinco (even said it was him on the NFL Network)

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah I think stuff like that is pretty cool. I found a decent site a week or so ago, like athletetweets.com I think, had a list of a bunch of athletes' twitter pages.

Gonan add Chad Johnson :cool:
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[OssMan]

@MrsSmoochie (http://twitter.com/MrsSmoochie) Yall living like the flinestones without HBO

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just read that Peyton & Eli Manning are upset about their fake Twitter accounts

Really don't know how Peyton can stay focused right now, he has to worry about people pretending to be him on Twitter AND adjust to a new offensive coordinator for the 1st time in his 11 year career. :'(

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/06/07/coaches/3.html

[road doggy dogg]

lol
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[RatedGSuperstar]

Apparently the Vikings didn't get the memo that Brett Favre doesn't respond well to deadlines.

I'm going to miss having Brad Childress in the division when he's fired after this season.

[SammyG]

Rams gonna win the NFC this year

[road doggy dogg]

Apparently the Vikings didn't get the memo that Brett Favre doesn't respond well to deadlines.

I'm going to miss having Brad Childress in the division when he's fired after this season.

I'm not. Childress is awful. The sooner he's out the better.
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[road doggy dogg]

# OGOchoCinco
Man y'all won't believe this shit, The Jonas Brothers on my flight, this is so fucking cool. I am star struck, child please, I need autographs
10 minutes ago from txt


# OGOchoCinco
Damn false alarm, just some skater dudes with that look, that's LA for you, everybody even look famous
5 minutes ago from txt


lol
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[SammyG]

lollll

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Snap, I forgot the Pats signed Leigh Bodden. Oh well gg everyone else :'(

[RP]

http://drawingguy.com/images/steelers/TBrady.jpg

[RP]

Just read that Peyton & Eli Manning are upset about their fake Twitter accounts

Really don't know how Peyton can stay focused right now, he has to worry about people pretending to be him on Twitter AND adjust to a new offensive coordinator for the 1st time in his 11 year career. :'(

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/06/07/coaches/3.html

We cant all stay focused like Tom Brady

http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/images/2007/12/12/tom_brady.jpg

[RP]

http://thebosh.com/archives/upload/2007/02/tom-brady.jpg

Brokeback Brady

[road doggy dogg]

http://drawingguy.com/images/steelers/TBrady.jpg

Obviously a Photoshop but still pretty lol
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[Krimzon7]

I am going to join twitter just to belittle Chad JOHNSON

[Testicle]

Rams gonna win the NFC this year

:eek:

There is no way that you are serious with this.

[Testicle]

Snap, I forgot the Pats signed Leigh Bodden. Oh well gg everyone else :'(

Watched him play for Detroit last year, he really struggled, but he had quite a few good years with the Browns so we will see if he can rebound.

If there is one team that you should go and try to turn around your career its the pats, so who knows.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Might be wrong but I think he played man coverage when he was with the Browns, Lions were using Cover 2 last year. So that might explain it.

[Splaya]

Might be wrong but I think he played man coverage when he was with the Browns, Lions were using Cover 2 last year. So that might explain it.


WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD UP A SECOND THERE.....











The Lions actually ran defensive plays?

[Triple Naitch]

Stumbled upon this news by accident. Texans sign Rex Grossman.

[McLegend]

Eagles sign #5 to a 2/24.5year contract extension.

Also Incentives can be worth up to a million.

[Krimzon7]

Donnovan is absolutely fucked. He'll never get a chip.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Eagles sign #5 to a 2/24.5year contract extension.

Also Incentives can be worth up to a million.

It's not an extension. They just gave him more money on his existing deal.

[McLegend]

It's not an extension. They just gave him more money on his existing deal.

That is correct.

[Big Fat Mike]

Michael Vick was just released. How is that "Huge, breaking news", ESPN?

[RatedGSuperstar]

Michael Vick was just released. How is that "Huge, breaking news", ESPN?

Because they couldn't get a hold of Brett Favre today, so they needed something else to beat into the ground.

[Big Fat Mike]

Hope he ends up playing WR in the same division as the Colts and BOB SANDERS murders him.

[ClockShot]

Vick gets released. Watch McDevil nudge Bowlen to make a move to get him, further setting back the Broncos to the stone age.

[Big Fat Mike]

lol....Kyle Orton would smash Vick over the head with a bottle of JD and become a folk hero for centuries to come.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Donnovan is absolutely fucked. He'll never get a chip.

Why? They almost made it to the Superbowl last season and have been close a bunch of other times/made it once? If you make it to the Superbowl you never know what could happen - the Cardinals where one drive away from winning

[FearedSanctity]

Marshall no-shows first 2 days of camp. Meets with Bowlen today. Left the Broncos HQ with packed boxes. Greeeeeeat.

[ClockShot]

Marshall no-shows first 2 days of camp. Meets with Bowlen today. Left the Broncos HQ with packed boxes. Greeeeeeat.

In other news, Legend Killer Kyle Orton is our starting quarterback. :roll:

[Skippord]

Kyle Orton to Chad Jackson

woooo

[Krimzon7]

Vick gets released. Watch McDevil nudge Bowlen to make a move to get him, further setting back the Broncos to the stone age.


Actually Vick would be the only smart move that the Broncos would have made in the offseason. Just lock up your white women if he comes.

But if he did rape a white chick, at least we'd get a mike vick puppet.

[SammyG]

I hope Vick comes to St.Louis. I don't know why. It'd be sweet.

[road doggy dogg]

God, even the Chargers are running Wildcat plays in their camps. Getting stupid. I mean, yeah LT's thrown a few passes on trick plays before, but god just let the gimmick go away. I hope Pat White plays this season and every snap is a turnover so everybody realizes they're retarded.
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[Brujesino]

the wildcat will get overused this year and then will be limited after that

defenses will start to get smart and learn how to stop the wildcat

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

God, even the Chargers are running Wildcat plays in their camps. Getting stupid. I mean, yeah LT's thrown a few passes on trick plays before, but god just let the gimmick go away. I hope Pat White plays this season and every snap is a turnover so everybody realizes they're retarded.
crossrineIt's not really a gimmick, it's just bringing the spread offense from the college game to the pros. Teams just don't want their QBs taking those hits so they put the RB in instead. I think it's going to last.

[Gonzo]

Yeah, I just can't see offenses like the Wildcat existing in the NFL for any length of time. NFL defenses will formulate a way to beat it, and the caliber of player in general on defense is drastically better than the college game.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't know, if everything is stoppable why have teams been running the double tight I formation since the start of modern day football? The caliber of the player in the NFL is definitely better (that's why teams aren't willing to design a lot running plays for QBs - would be taking much bigger shots) but wildcat forces guy to make plays out in space. Consistently making plays out in space can be tough.

Not saying it will ever get to the point of being the teams primary offense or anything but if a guy can throw why wouldn't it work? It's just taking the shotgun and adding the element of run to it

I think the name is so stupid though

[road doggy dogg]

I think you could be right, just to me it seems like the latest fad in the NFL that comes around every so often. West coast offense came and was successful then EVERY team seemingly had a variation of it. Pretty much been phased out now. Then the "Tampa-2" came in and a bunch of teams copied that too, now it's all but gone as well. Just seems that it's the next thing in line for a copycat league. It may stay and be successful for some teams, I just don't think it will have a long lasting effect.
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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The West Coast offense and the Tampa 2 defense are still both very much alive though

[Brujesino]

Greg Ellis signs with the Raiders

this is a good pick up ellis brings leadership and great play

putting him alongside burgess is a good thing also since burgess is always hurt ellis signing makes it great

[Krimzon7]

Good signing for the Raiders. But it doesn't outweigh the gaffe at wide receiver that they made in Heyward-Bay

[Brujesino]

Good signing for the Raiders. But it doesn't outweigh the gaffe at wide receiver that they made in Heyward-Bay

crabtree will be not live up to expectations he play in a spread offense and had the ball thrown to him all the time which inflated his stats

bey played in a pro offense in college and had a bad team around him

[Gonzo]

I don't know, if everything is stoppable why have teams been running the double tight I formation since the start of modern day football? The caliber of the player in the NFL is definitely better (that's why teams aren't willing to design a lot running plays for QBs - would be taking much bigger shots) but wildcat forces guy to make plays out in space. Consistently making plays out in space can be tough.

Not saying it will ever get to the point of being the teams primary offense or anything but if a guy can throw why wouldn't it work? It's just taking the shotgun and adding the element of run to it

I think the name is so stupid though

The Wildcat requires a special form of athlete. I can see it being used in part, like you've mentioned, but as a staple, hardly so. I know you're not suggesting it, just saying thats how I see it.

If anything, it could force teams to draft speedier defenders better at making plays in space. The NFL is definitely cyclical and this may just be the next part of the cycle.

[ClockShot]

Broncos sign WR Brandon Lloyd.

Let's see. Marshall, Stokley, Gaffney, Royal, and a few unknowns.

Either Orton pulled strings to get this guy, or this is a sign that Marshall ain't hanging around in the future.

[Brujesino]

Broncos sign WR Brandon Lloyd.

Let's see. Marshall, Stokley, Gaffney, Royal, and a few unknowns.

Either Orton pulled strings to get this guy, or this is a sign that Marshall ain't hanging around in the future.

marshall already demanded a trade..... i doubt he'll get it

[Icess]

Stallworth to plead guilty tomorrow. This carries a minimum 4 year sentence. Later bro

[RP]

Stallworth to plead guilty tomorrow. This carries a minimum 4 year sentence. Later bro


This is nice to hear that he's owning up to it, but i doubt he see's 4 years.

[Icess]

Florida DUI manslaughter law carries a mandatory four-year minimum sentence

[Droford]

marshall already demanded a trade..... i doubt he'll get it
I heard the Ravens are interested, aside from his off the field problems which aren't too bad and the fact he's a FA after this season. He's 3 years younger than Boldin who the Ravens were interested in but probably wont be traded by Arizona now. Adding Marshall would be huge for the Ravens who are already one of the top favorite AFC teams despite having a crap WR corps. Marshall, Mason, Washington and Clayton would be a solid set of targets for Flacco. I doubt however that Ozzie Newsome will pull the trigger unless he can get awahy without having to shell out a 1st/3rd round pick for him OR fully confident he can get Marshall to sign an extension.

[Droford]

Florida DUI manslaughter law carries a mandatory four-year minimum sentence

This is nice to hear that he's owning up to it, but i doubt he see's 4 years.
30 days (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-CLeMDPwyX2iShZyyhlE_wWxjlgD98RT2701).

Doesn't seem right does it?

[OssMan]

Florida DUI manslaughter law carries a mandatory four-year minimum sentence
You're forgetting that the law doesn't apply to famous people

[RatedGSuperstar]

Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth get a few weeks in prison and get to come out telling everyone how hard it was. The fuck up who killed Nick Adenhart gets charged with murder and will have the key to his cell thrown away.

Yeah, that's fair. If you kill someone while driving drunk, you should go to prison for life. No exceptions.

On another topic, LOL at Joe Buck's show getting completely derailed last night.

[Big Fat Mike]

So pissed off about stallworth only getting 30 days AND getting to resume his playing career. Fuck the law is fucked,

[ClockShot]

There's more than just 30 days in the slammer. He's also got:

2 years house arrest after he gets out of jail.

Lifetime drivers license suspension. But after 5 years he can win approval for limited driving.

1,000 hours community service.

Drug & Alcohol testing.

And, Roger Goodell must also make a ruling. That's supposed to come just before the Browns start training camp on July 31st.

[Icess]

Not to mention an undisclosed amount to the Reyes' family. I'd imagine he is going to pay them a certain amount for the remainder of his career, which should be a huge total.

[RP]

Florida DUI manslaughter law carries a mandatory four-year minimum sentence


Yep

And he got a whopping 30 days.

[RP]

There's more than just 30 days in the slammer. He's also got:

2 years house arrest after he gets out of jail.

Lifetime drivers license suspension. But after 5 years he can win approval for limited driving.

1,000 hours community service.

Drug & Alcohol testing.

And, Roger Goodell must also make a ruling. That's supposed to come just before the Browns start training camp on July 31st.


this...

Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth get a few weeks in prison and get to come out telling everyone how hard it was. The fuck up who killed Nick Adenhart gets charged with murder and will have the key to his cell thrown away.

Yeah, that's fair. If you kill someone while driving drunk, you should go to prison for life. No exceptions.

On another topic, LOL at Joe Buck's show getting completely derailed last night.

[Shadow]

God, even the Chargers are running Wildcat plays in their camps. Getting stupid. I mean, yeah LT's thrown a few passes on trick plays before, but god just let the gimmick go away. I hope Pat White plays this season and every snap is a turnover so everybody realizes they're retarded.
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You kiddin' me? Wildcat was made for a QB like White. too bad it wasn't made to beat NFL defenses though.

[VonErichLives]

yeah, Stallworth had to donate 2,500 to M.A.D.D.... and... the undisclosed amount to the guys family... I'll assume he paid them off big time and they backed the 30day sentence... While I'd like to see him in jail longer, if the family feels they got a good deal with the money I can't blame them.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well Stallworth probably had the best lawyers working for him. Also you don't need to pass the bar to understand the FL DUI laws - there isn't a 4 year minimum if the drunk driver wasn't the only one at fault in the accident. Stallworth technically wasn't the only 1 at fault since the man he hit was jaywalking on a 6 lane road.

I don't know what exactly goes into being under house arrest but I would think that would limit his ability to play in the NFL, not totally sure though

[VonErichLives]

So, I'm not a Colts fan (I do respect most of them and their ability) but I think it's pretty shitty they lost their OC and OL-coach because the nfl owner changes the pensions rules for assistant coaches and those 2 I think are in their 60's and were worried if they didn't retire now they wouldn't get any pension since a bunch of teams are eliminating pensions and 401K's for assistant coaches... there's talk again about an assistant coaches union... word was owners told them a few years ago when the talked happened anyone who joined would get fired... and where the NFL has the antitrust exemption I think the NFL could legally get away with it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Should just coach until they die like the defensive coordinator from Pittsburgh seems to be planning to do. The guy is pushing 75

[Krimzon7]

crabtree will be not live up to expectations he play in a spread offense and had the ball thrown to him all the time which inflated his stats

bey played in a pro offense in college and had a bad team around him

Maybe so, but there was enough depth at WR for Oakland to address some needs on the Defensive line. Al Davis would have served you, the Raider fan, better by trading down. Trust me, Bey would have been there.

[parkmania]

Should just coach until they die like the defensive coordinator from Pittsburgh seems to be planning to do. The guy is pushing 75


He may be an old fart, but he's still one of the best footbal minds out there.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

LeBeau has a great defensive mind. Just don't ask him to run a team, or he will shit his depends.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LeBeau has a great defensive mind. Just don't ask him to run a team, or he will shit his depends.
lol

If Crabtree fails in the NFL it won't be because he played in a spread offense, it will be because he can't beat the jam off of the line by stronger corners in the NFL.

[Brujesino]

Maybe so, but there was enough depth at WR for Oakland to address some needs on the Defensive line. Al Davis would have served you, the Raider fan, better by trading down. Trust me, Bey would have been there.

definetly would have gotten better value if we traded down to get him iam pretty sure no one wanted a pick in the top 10 cuz of the money

but iam happy anyways except for that DHB tweaked his hamstring again during that last day of OTA's

[Krimzon7]

Yeah, don't want a runner going into camp with a hammy injury. Let's hope rehab and time will keep him healthy enough to play.

[ClockShot]

Goodell passed judgement on Stallworth.

Suspended indefinately without pay.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

JP Losman signed with an USFL team, some blogger claims Mike Vick could be next. We'll see...

[RP]

Stallworth should be doing a ton more time . Thats insane to be quite honest.

[SammyG]

Yeah, RP is right. Ridiculous.

[Krimzon7]

Stallworth will be in that new league too.

[Gonzo]

Is anyone shocked? The guy has money. This is what happens to people in these situations when you have money.

[Gonzo]

Also a valid point, Stallworth's actions didn't raise nearly quite the shit storm that Vick's did. I'm adamantly against what Vick did, but Stallworth killed a human being for fuck's sake.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well I think it's more about the intent of the actions. Plus plenty of people can say "Shit I've gotten behind the wheel once or twice after a few too many" but not too many people can say "I want to go murder dogs if they don't perform well after I train it to fight and attempt to kill other dogs"

Also since Vick was celebrity so he was used as an example, it works both ways.

[Shadow]

Not sure it matters but Skins let Thrash go due to failing a physical.

Gonna be alot of new names for Sonny to memorize this year.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Let me make one thing clear. I like Donte Stallworth.

Yes, the guy is an idiot for driving drunk.

However, let's not forget that the guy he killed was jaywalking, basically walking right through the middle of the road.

And I am not condoning this. Stallworth should have gotten MUCH more than he did. However, everyone seems to forget that the guy pretty much just walked right out into the middle of traffic.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah, it seems like the sentence is light because of the jaywalking. Had it been a cross walk, Stallworth would be gone for a long time.

But I still find is amazing that he killed a man, but Mike vick's sentence was 23 times longer...

[VonErichLives]

also, keep in mind the person stallworth paid off was the family. They're not crying that the punishment didn't fit.

[Krimzon7]

Yeah, it seems like the sentence is light because of the jaywalking. Had it been a cross walk, Stallworth would be gone for a long time.

But I still find is amazing that he killed a man, but Mike vick's sentence was 23 times longer...

Bingo. I like Stallworth as well. Nothing personal but I can't imagine that a human drunk and jaywalking is 23 times less important than a few dead, tortured Dogs.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's because of the intent, if Stallworth took out a gun and shot the guy in cold blood he wouldn't be getting 30 days in jail no matter how much money he had.

I mean yeah he still killed the guy and should be getting more time but like it's been pointed out he was able to pay off the family.

[Krimzon7]

Honestly, we could dicuss varying aspects of this case until the 2011 offseason. He's beaten the sentence, he's out of work, and the world will contunue to spin.

On a completely related note, I fucking hate Rodger Goddell.

[D Mac]

Chiefs sign safety Mike Brown. Is he any good?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If he could stay healthy the Bears probably would have kept him

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just found out Michael Jackson is the reason why Bob Kraft owns the Patriots...so thank you for that King of Pop

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/06/how_michael_jac.html

[Krimzon7]

wow. six degrees of separation.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Shit, Michael Boley has surgery...expected recovery time 8-10 weeks. Prolly gonna miss at least the opening game.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

HUGE "WTF" at Steve McNair. WOW can't even register.
crossrine

[RatedGSuperstar]

Just in case anyone hasn't heard and couldn't figure out what road's talking about...Steve McNair Found Shot to Death (http://deadspin.com/5307523/steve-mcnair-found-shot-to-death).

Horrible, shocking news. Former MVP and borderline HOF candidate...arguably one of the best quarterbacks in Oiler/Titan history.

[Brujesino]

either him or warren moon

[Droford]

Being a Ravens fan he played here 1 year (plus a couple games in 07) but he was washed up then and it was actually painful to watch him play most of the time. He'll always be remembered more as a Titan and for SB 34. Still really sucks though.

[McLegend]

Terrible

[SammyG]

Wow. Can not believe it. RIP

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That fucking sucks. Seemed like a decent guy.


Krispy is devastated

[ClockShot]

I check my phone for the MLB scores and I found this. My cousin and I were in complete shock.

R.I.P. I really hope this wasn't drug or gang related.

[DrA]

I think it was more screwing around with some other guy's woman related.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

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[OssMan]

Yeah they had those songs in Madden one of the years when I used to play it a lot. I turned off all the other songs so that was all I heard. Can't stand them now

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That's awful, such classic songs

[SammyG]

Love every one of those songs.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The first song is amazing. Has such a great shits going down feel to it.

[The Pope]

DRC