TUF 10 Discussion *SPOILERS*

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

UK viewers will not see Ultimate Fighter episodes until Saturday, so it would be appreciated if you could keep discussion in this thread, to make it easier to avoid spoilers.

[Kris P Lettus]

Gonna change the thread title..

Even is Kimbo doesn't do well, I hope some decent HW's come out of this season..

[Kris P Lettus]

Stickied it too..

:y:

[CSL]

I assume people have already seen this but figured I'd post it if not. Features some of the first ep including Kimbo showing up

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Wanna see him win the whole thing but he's got some serious odds to overcome. Rampage not doing him any favours either.

[Kris P Lettus]

"Who is it Tank Abbott??"

LMFAO

[Kris P Lettus]

I kinda want Kimbo to do well too, but regardless I'm sure he'll fight on atleast one UFC show after TUF, even if he loses his first fight..

[DaveBrawl]

Spike must seriously need to make up some commercial time from Fight Night with all of these random commercials with 30 seconds of show between. I hope next week isn't this way because it's almost unwatchable. I don't remember the last few seasons being this way.

[DaveBrawl]

Dialogue between Rampage and Evans reminds me of the movie Life though. :lol:

[Kris P Lettus]

Bloody ass fight..

[Kris P Lettus]

That was some bitch shit.. Fake shaking the hand straight to the shot..

[Savio]

Don't think Abe can get up Rampage

[Savio]

I bet if Abe coulda picked getting knocked out quick or go that whole fight look like a complete joke and get a cut bad enough where people could see his skull he would have chosen the quick knock out.

[Nark Order]

What an awful fight. Completely one sided, no offense from Abe whatsoever. Pretty bitch move on the hand shake shot too. Doesn't really seen like Abe would've won either way but still shitty.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Rampage was fricking pissed too. Can't blame him though, the dude didn't even try to defend the takedown, despite knowing it was coming over and cover.

Also, the preview of Rampage destroying the door was amazing.

[Kris P Lettus]

It looked like he headbutted it and like the entire top third of it shatters..

Also, I realize it was the first episode but I'm glad they were more on training and the fight than "real world" like drunken shenanigans (which I know is coming)..

[Impact!]

Can someone post a link to this episode whenever it's up (In the MMA Group obv)

[Kris P Lettus]

I'll try to just post them all in here..

[Kris P Lettus]

Found the vid, but couldn't embed it..

Try to get it up some time today..

[Kris P Lettus]

Fuck it.. Can't find one to embed..

Here's a link..

Episode 1 (http://mmaglory.blogspot.com/2009/09/tuf-10-episode-1-video.html)

[Loose Cannon]

wow, what an awful fight by Abe. I don't understand how he didn't learn to block a takedown by the 4th time. That guy deserved to be off the show. terrible preformance.

And this Wes Sims guy. wow, what a doucebag. I can't wait to see this guy destroyed. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he boast about having 2 consecutive victories over Frank Mir? I thought he was serious and I am thinking "wow, that's pretty good." Then I go look up the fights and the fucking guy got DQ'ed in the first fight and lost in the 2nd fight. And he doesn't even have a great MMA record. He's all talk, but seems to be a guy that can't back it up.

Kimbo is the man. love him. can't wait till he fights

[Kris P Lettus]

I think that Wes Shivers guy played football at Mississippi State and has fought here locally..

[Kris P Lettus]

Wes Shivers (born March 8, 1977 in Jackson, MS.) grew up leading a competitive life, playing several sports before focusing on football. Following a successful college football career and being selected Junior College All-American, as well as, All-SEC. The Mississippi State graduate was drafted by the Tennessee Titans. After a short stint there and with the Atlanta Falcons, Wes left the NFL in attempt at the normal life. The normal life for Wes consisted of a job in law enforcement. Although exciting at times the competitive drive Wes has was still strong and not being fulfilled.

With the undeniable rise of Mixed Martial Arts and the need for an outlet Wes began to train in one of the oldest forms of submission wrestling, Catch wrestling. It didn’t take long before one of Wes’s teachers tagged him “The Perfect Storm” not only because of his large size, but his athleticism and ability to learn quickly. Although getting started in MMA late in his life Wes has progressed at a fast pace and his humble nature enables him to improve everyday.Competing in various MMA events around Mississippi Wes Shivers came in contact with Alan “The Talent” Belcher. Belcher, believing in Shiver’s ability invited Wes to train with him. In short order Belcher helped to improve the limited skill set that Wes had. After a short time in the sport Wes arrived at a 8-1 record with a 3-1 professional record. Wes was noticed by the UFC and selected as one of the 16 heavyweights to appear as a member of The Ultimate Fighter season 10.

“I feel the skies the limit for me, the fact that I realize I have holes in my game drives me everyday. I am slowly beginning to fill those holes and improve on the natural ability God has blessed me with. I love the sport and feel that anyone that steps into the cage is special, regardless of the outcome they should be respected.”

While taking part in TUF10 Wes came in contact with Legends in the sport not to mention Dan White, president of the UFC. The experiences just confirmed the fact that the sport of MMA is definitely where Wes Shivers wants to be.

“Man its amazing, everyone I’ve come in contact with are honorable, hardworking people who are here for the love of the game and nothing more! There is no room for egos.”

Yeah, def got to pull for him now..

[Loose Cannon]

you're talking about a different guy though, right?

I thought his name was Wes Simms

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, Wes "A Whole Show" Sims (LOL "a-hole show") is the douche who has fought in the UFC before.. Wes Shivers biggest fight was on an EliteXC undercard..

[Reavant]

wow, what an awful fight by Abe. I don't understand how he didn't learn to block a takedown by the 4th time. That guy deserved to be off the show. terrible preformance.

And this Wes Sims guy. wow, what a doucebag. I can't wait to see this guy destroyed. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he boast about having 2 consecutive victories over Frank Mir? I thought he was serious and I am thinking "wow, that's pretty good." Then I go look up the fights and the fucking guy got DQ'ed in the first fight and lost in the 2nd fight. And he doesn't even have a great MMA record. He's all talk, but seems to be a guy that can't back it up.

Kimbo is the man. love him. can't wait till he fights

He also went on to say that he wont let the truth get in the way of a good story

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I heard that. he's like "that guy" that we've all encountered in sports. He'll talk a huge game, always call for the ball or whatever, but he never gets the job done.

[Loose Cannon]

and then that other guy (forget his name) that thought he was the "surprise" and not Kimbo. he looks like he is in poor shape. I think he's going to get killed

[Loose Cannon]

Reavant, why are you not on that show? I'm pretty sure you would do a lot better this that Abe clown. I think he just gave up like 40 seconds into the 2nd round

[Kris P Lettus]

Roy "Big Country" Nelson was the last IFL HW Champ.. He's a pretty good banger but looked like he'd put on 40+lbs since the last time I saw him..

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There is Shivers in EliteXC..

[Kris P Lettus]

Looking at his record, any time Nelson has faced any fighter of "note" he has lost.. Arlovski, Monson, even Ben Rothwell..

[Reavant]

What an awful fight. Completely one sided, no offense from Abe whatsoever. Pretty bitch move on the hand shake shot too. Doesn't really seen like Abe would've won either way but still shitty.

Rampage was fricking pissed too. Can't blame him though, the dude didn't even try to defend the takedown, despite knowing it was coming over and cover.

Also, the preview of Rampage destroying the door was amazing.

Madsen beat Lesnar a bunch of times in high school/college wrestling, so he could have some of th greatest defense and theyd still probably look the same

[Kris P Lettus]

FTR, Deuce McAllister whooped Wes Shivers in a brawl at the Egg Bowl (Ole Miss Vs State) like 10 years ago..

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[Kris P Lettus]

According to Starkville legend, Wes Shivers, a juco recruit visiting MSU during the 1997 Egg Bowl Brawl, was nothing more than an innocent bystander donning a Hinds Comm. College jacket. The legend also entails that Deuce McAllister took his helmet off and hit Wes with it and that several Ole Miss players knocked him down on his ass and then preceded to kick him.

As you will see in this video, none of that happened.

The truth is that Shivers, who incidentally went on to play for Jackie Sherrill's Bulldogs, was wearing a MSU jacket and actually made a huge mistake by running out into the middle of the field after the fight broke out. Furthermore, he ran into a group of players, grabbed Deuce McAlllister's shoulder, took a fist to the face, and landed square on his ass.

[Kris P Lettus]

DEEEEEEUUUUCCCEEE!!

:wavesad:

[Impact!]

HOLY FUCK at that cut...move over Marvin Eastman

[Vastardikai]

Nelson is a beast, and from what I hear, he's supposed to be getting an attitude adjustment (of the non Lex Luger or John Cena variety) because of his ego or whatever.

I would pick him over half the field, possibly to win it all. However, if the guy who was a #1 draft pick has any game, he could go all the way as well.

Simms seems like Junie Browning in many respects, only at least Browning can be written off as small man syndrome/inbred/meth addict. Simms is just an asshole.

I think they're gonna be dedicating several episodes strictly to Kimbo learning ground game (which is smart), his fight will be last, and whoever he's up against will rape him worst than Abe got raped.

[Kris P Lettus]

Im figuring he'll win his first fight but lose before the Finale.. Either way, the show is gonna pretty much mean that Kimbo will have atleast a few UFC fights at UFC events.. I mean, even if he loses his first fight, think of an UFN with him headlining.. Record ratings I'm sure.. Dana put him on the show is just the first step to letting him fight in the UFC.. Smart on Dana White's part, if you ask me..

[The Mask]

man rampage is a fucking awful coach. basically picked all the beefcakes and his advice is basically to do what needs doing, with no description of how to actually do it. rashad is going to piss all over him in this series.

[Kris P Lettus]

Really all depends on how talented the fighters actually are.. I know Wes Shivers is a good fighter, as an example.. Rampage is more the figure head but his "assistant coaches" are the one who are gonna come up with the gameplan.. I mean, with Greg Jackson on the sideline, do you really think Rashad Evans is coming up with strategy, etc??

[Jura]

man rampage is a fucking awful coach. basically picked all the beefcakes and his advice is basically to do what needs doing, with no description of how to actually do it. rashad is going to piss all over him in this series.

The one who wins in the Octagon will get the last laugh. Too bad it's been rescheduled.

[Funky Fly]

Really all depends on how talented the fighters actually are.. I know Wes Shivers is a good fighter, as an example.. Rampage is more the figure head but his "assistant coaches" are the one who are gonna come up with the gameplan.. I mean, with Greg Jackson on the sideline, do you really think Rashad Evans is coming up with strategy, etc??

No, but he obviously understands that you have to pick based on skill and not on who you like or think looks jacked up. Picking guys that way is what Vince McMahon does.

[The Mask]

Really all depends on how talented the fighters actually are.. I know Wes Shivers is a good fighter, as an example.. Rampage is more the figure head but his "assistant coaches" are the one who are gonna come up with the gameplan.. I mean, with Greg Jackson on the sideline, do you really think Rashad Evans is coming up with strategy, etc??

thats another thing though. rashad has greg jackson on his side, who does rampage have? obviously team rampage are gonna win a few but it won't be down to anything rampage has done at all.

[Kris P Lettus]

But, at the same time, besides training with him, it'll be based on nothing Rashad had done either.. The only reason UFC fighters are on the show is for entertainment value.. TUF made Matt Hughes a villain.. It made people realize how crazy Shamrock really was.. Etc.. The "coaches" are only there to bring star power..

[The Mask]

i guess, but at least when rashad is shouting advice from ringside it might actually influence what happens. rampage shouting "GET UP" 500 times isn't going to do shit.

[Kris P Lettus]

I think nit was more that he could tell he had made a bad match pick and that Abe couldn't do shit off his back, let alone stuff the takedown..

[Mr. JL]

It did not even look like Abe was throwing punches when the other guy was in close enough and shooting on him. It was a pretty one-sided fight. Bloody as hell, too.

[Crimson]

I dislike Rashad. I hope Rampage kicks his head off

[Funky Fly]

Steve Mazzagatti is such a piece of shit tho. That was massive blood loss. Should have stopped the fight, even though it wasn't in his eyes, just for safety.

[Impact!]

It reminded me of Lytle V Koscheck, craaaaaaazy bloooooooood

[Crimson]

So how far do you guys think Kimbo will go? One and done? All the way?

I'll say he wins one..then loses his second.

[Savio]

what would you do if the judges awarded the fight to abe?

[Kris P Lettus]

Dana White would have murdered them..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

No way is he ready for big Roy Nelson. I mean I heard the rumours before hand that he got taken out earlier, but really... Roys is just the worst possible matchup for him.

[Innovator]

WOOOOO

Kimbo vs. Big Country

[The Mask]

so do i have to watch rampage talking shit and being the worst cornerman of all time for a season and not even get to see him potentially have his arse handed to him at the end? gutted.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don't know how kimbo will be able to last past 2 minutes against Nelson. You never know though.

I say we make a pool to see how long he lasts.

[Stickman]

Tonight's fight was another awful fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

I really can't believe they gave that fight to James.. I had Shivers ahead in both rounds..

I think Kimbo will do well against Nelson.. It looks like his ground game is 10 times better than when he was in EliteXC (thanks to Bas Rutten) and he is a monster when it comes to banging..

DUNNO

[Savio]

Wes shut down after 2 minutes, Shivers kept striking with leg kicks

[Savio]

I think i missed Rampage killing the door

[Johnny McNasty]

What was Rampage thinking when he picked that match?

Fight was extremely boring. One point the two of them where standing like 10 feet from each other with their hands on their knees for like 10 seconds wtf? That Mcsweeny(what an awesome name) guy was very unimpressive. For being Rashad's number 1 pick he wasn't that good at all. Striking wasn't really that fluid, his takedown defense was laughable(he basically fell over when the big dude had his ankle) and his cardio looked non existent. I see that dude being destroyed, if put in the ring with anyone with some good wrestling and a little bit of stamina.

I am seriously hoping Kimbo knocks Roy the fuck out next week. Really don't like the guy, and the Kimbo/Rampage interactions are pretty funny.

[Nark Order]

lol, what? There's no way I would bet against Roy Nelson in this fight. He has just as much punching power as Kimbo but he knows just about everything else as well.

[Nark Order]

I'm wondering if Dana's plan was to have Kimbo lose to a man that looks less than physically imposing. lol. To the casual fan that doesn't know Roy Nelson he looks like a fat slob.

Watch casuals fans say "Kimbo lost to THAT guy?"

[Kris P Lettus]

I really wouldn't say he has just as much punching power as Kimbo.. He only has one KO in his whole career.. Only way he wins is by taking Kimbo down..

[Johnny McNasty]

Yeah if it goes to the ground I can see Kimbo getting submitted fairly easily.

I'm hoping Roy tries to go out there to prove a point, and stands with Kimbo. Goes all out for the knockout while not respecting Kimbo's ko power, thus leading to him getting his face raped by Kimbo's fist's.

[Loose Cannon]

I really can't believe they gave that fight to James.. I had Shivers ahead in both rounds..

I think Kimbo will do well against Nelson.. It looks like his ground game is 10 times better than when he was in EliteXC (thanks to Bas Rutten) and he is a monster when it comes to banging..

DUNNO

I thought Shivers won the fight too. It was pretty even in RD1, but Shivers had him down on the ground for a while n RD 2. Fuck though, he had him in a choke, but let him out. Shivers didn't really deserve it though. He gassed very quick and just kind of stood there with his hands on his hips most of the time.

very excited for next week. I have a feeling some of you guys will be surprised. I think Kimbo will take it

[The Show Off]

I thought Shivers won the fight too. It was pretty even in RD1, but Shivers had him down on the ground for a while n RD 2. Fuck though, he had him in a choke, but let him out. Shivers didn't really deserve it though. He gassed very quick and just kind of stood there with his hands on his hips most of the time.

very excited for next week. I have a feeling some of you guys will be surprised. I think Kimbo will take it

That choke wasn't in deep. I would have given it to Shivers too but having your hands on your knees for half the fight leaves and awful impression on the judges. Both those guys were terrible.

Roy Nelson should destroy Kimbo. All sports logic dictates Nelson tapping in the first round. Though that good old "punchers chance" thing is still in effect.

[Loose Cannon]

I'll have to rewatch it. It looked like he had it in deep enough to where he could of leaned back and just taken it.

and something about this Kimbo/Nelson fight is just screaming upset to me. I feel like they are setting everyone up to think Nelson is going to kill him. we'll see.

[Stickman]

I'm not a Kimbo fan, nor a Roy fan, but I kind of think Kimbo wins this. I think this season of TUF will bomb if Kimbo loses. After two awful fights it's the only way. Plus, Spike TV is hyping up Kimbo big time, I think he's going the distance.

[Reavant]

Wes shut down after 2 minutes, Shivers kept striking with leg kicks

wes shivers is the same person

[Reavant]

I really wouldn't say he has just as much punching power as Kimbo.. He only has one KO in his whole career.. Only way he wins is by taking Kimbo down..

hes had 6 actually

[Reavant]

I'm not a Kimbo fan, nor a Roy fan, but I kind of think Kimbo wins this. I think this season of TUF will bomb if Kimbo loses. After two awful fights it's the only way. Plus, Spike TV is hyping up Kimbo big time, I think he's going the distance.

not to mention the coaches arent fighting anymore

[Johnny McNasty]

No he has had one. Learn the difference between a KO and a TKO. Also that edit button is there for a reason...

[Reavant]

:roll: if a punch drops a guy and he follows them down and finishes them with strikes, its still testimate to his KO power fucking n00b

[Jura]

I have a feeling these big dudes are gonna get tired really quickly lugging all that meat around. McSweeney could have had him but I guess he was probably scared of getting knocked the fuck out so he didn't capitalize.

[Johnny McNasty]

Nobody said anything about his knockout power jackass. You stated that he has had 6 KO's which is false, as he has only had 1. Thanks for the new word though. Testimate lmao. Oh and I see you figured out that edit function too. Way to go kiddo.

Yeah I can see this being one of the more boring TUF, at least when it comes to the fights. So far we've had four fighters show us their skills inside the cage and I've yet to see anything slightly impressive. Hopefully things pick up next week, and considering who is fighting they definitely should.

Also just read about how John Madsen beat Brock in a high school wrestling match. Pretty neat little tidbit I thought.

[Nark Order]

Nobody said anything about his knockout power jackass.

lol, what? There's no way I would bet against Roy Nelson in this fight. He has just as much punching power as Kimbo but he knows just about everything else as well.

I really wouldn't say he has just as much punching power as Kimbo.. He only has one KO in his whole career.. Only way he wins is by taking Kimbo down..

[Nark Order]

Pretty much what Reav said. Almost every fight I've seen Big Roy in he's knocked a guy on his ass via a huge punch. Not to say KOs and TKO are the same thing but I think my point is still proven either way.

[Savio]

wes shivers is the same person
meh typo
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I hope Newsteads spoiler is WRONG

[RP]

Roy Nelson has a black belt in BJJ from Renzo Gracie apparently too. Bye Kimbo.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's just a rumour, I don't know if it's true or not. But considering Kimbo got his ass handed to him my both Seth Petruzelli and James Thompson up until he got that lucky ass stoppage, I dunno, I have to say a true badass like Roy Nelson is gonna have his way with him.

[RP]

no chance Kimbo wins unless Dana White pays Nelson to go down.

[Savio]

It's just a rumour, I don't know if it's true or not. But considering Kimbo got his ass handed to him my both Seth Petruzelli and James Thompson up until he got that lucky ass stoppage, I dunno, I have to say a true badass like Roy Nelson is gonna have his way with him.
Someone on here was stating he has been doing a lot of training since then.

[Reavant]

Nobody said anything about his knockout power jackass. You stated that he has had 6 KO's which is false, as he has only had 1. Thanks for the new word though. Testimate lmao. Oh and I see you figured out that edit function too. Way to go kiddo.



way to read all the posts in the thread dumbass

[The Mask]

any link to the second episode btw?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Someone on here was stating he has been doing a lot of training since then.

A solid fighter, even under trained, does not look like a fish out of water against c level fighters.

It'd be nice to see him do well, I'll just believe it when i see it.

[Reavant]

he'll probably lose and get a second chance in the tournament or something

[The Mask]

i imagine if he fucks it up this time he'll be back next time theres a heavyweight TUF. dana would probably pay the guy to go train with the best in everything everywhere, just because the guy is worth that much to him businesswise.

[Mr. JL]

I thought Shivers won that fight. The first round was a toss-up, but the second should have went to Shivers. I think what lost him the fight was a lack of octagon control, not taking the fight to the other guy and his mid-round rest breaks.

But in terms of fighting, I think he hurt McSweeney more than McSweeney hurt him.

[Reavant]

I think the first round was no question shivers and the second was a tossup

[Reavant]

IM CALLING IT RIGHT NOW!!!


Kimbo loses to roy. Someone gets injured or cant fight for some reason, and kimbo steps in to take his place.

[Johnny McNasty]

Wow my bad I phrased my sentence wrong. I never said anything about his KO power before you attacked me for proving you wrong.(I mean how hard is it to read a wikipedia page?) And if you wanna keep up the personal attacks I can do that all day you chicken dick fuck wad lol.

[Reavant]

well considering wikipedia is not factual information most of the time because it is edited by the users of the site, forgive me if i dont read that bull shit.

The only difference between a KO and a TKO is how quickly the ref steps in. So theyre really not that different are they? And considering the point I was making, before you decided to poke your ass into the picture, I was right to count the two as the same. Especially considering any site that keeps stats on fighters (sherdog, mmafighter, etc)groups them the same as well (not really too hard too look at one of those?).

But if you want to be an incoherent n00b and troll the forums then please be my guest.

[Loose Cannon]

Wow my bad I phrased my sentence wrong. I never said anything about his KO power before you attacked me for proving you wrong.(I mean how hard is it to read a wikipedia page?) And if you wanna keep up the personal attacks I can do that all day you chicken dick fuck wad lol.

dude, shut up. you have like 17 posts here.

[Reavant]

whos sock is he?... he fires back like fabien but he gave me shit on a post where I was correcting krispy. Id say it could be krispy but me and him like eachother. spelling errors and debating the precise definition of a word is not rob's style and rob is too smart to reference wikipedia. so whos sock are you mcnasty???

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Apparently Wiki is more accurate than the encyclopedia britania or some shit :O

[alvarado52]

Im hoping Kimbo makes it past next episode...cuz lets be honest, we're all really watching this for Kimbo now that Rampage and Rashad arent even going to duke it out.

[Johnny McNasty]

I still don't see how you can class a TKO and a KO as the same thing. They are not! The simple fact that a TKO can be awarded if a fighter receives a cut and the ref decides the fighter is unfit to continue should tell you that. I'm going to count you as being retarded if you keep that argument up.

Wikipedia might be questionable about some of its facts, but was it wrong this time about Roy's record? No. So I don't see how you corrected Krispy in the first place when he was right all along, and you where wrong.

Why am I a sock? Because I called you out for making a stupid statement, and trying to pass it off as a fact?

Oh and Loose Cannon hop off my nuts kid. Nobody is talking to you.

[Reavant]

Theres a reason why stats classify them in the same category. While TKO does encompas cuts, fighters unable to finish, etc. it also includes when fighters are out and taking shots and the ref has to stop the fight. Did you catch that? The fighter is out... taking shots... and the ref steps in to stop it. Now this happens a lot when the ref isnt fast enough to catch it or when the fighter is completely out but their bodies are still moving (in a way that doesnt make sense because their cognitivly unconscious). But theyre still out.

Now if you look back to the whole reason we;re talking about this anyway, Krispy was discrediting Roys punching power when he had 6 victories via KO/TKO with those TKOs being the result of punches which means the fighters were out. Which would tell Krispy that Roy has power because to put people out you need power.
But if you think its just me saying this or that "im crazy" heres the stats exactly how you see them at sherdog.

Name: Roy Nelson
Nick Name: Big Country

Record: 13 - 4 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)

Wins: 6 (T)KOs ( 46.15 %)
4 Submissions ( 30.77 %)
3 Decisions ( 23.08 %)

Losses: 1 (T)KOs ( 25 %)
3 Decisions ( 75 %)

Weight: 249lbs (113kg)
Birth Date: 1976-06-20
City: Las Vegas
Country: USA


Oh and the reason you are a sock is because you know whats going on around here and because 17 posts into your time here your already combative instead of getting acclimated to the people in the forum. That tells me youve been through that all before and you want to either come in and show off a shittier side of your personality because your a coward and you want everyone to like you with your other name,or you have been banned and this is the way your coming back. Not to mention you have a gimmick user name.

Of course maybe you really are new here and you developed your personality in a car crash and this is how you are in real life with the people around you. Which if you are new here Id have to say Id classify YOU as retarded because Loose Cannon is the MOD here and you just told him off. :y:

[Beauser]

I get what you're saying, but there IS a difference between a Technical Knockout (TKO), and a Knock Out.

Technical Knockouts can be had by a referee looking in the best interests of the opposing combatant.

But, it still is proof that he has power.

If Kimbo loses, I won't watch this show anymore, I'm calling it now. No point without Kimbo. Why spend so much effort pumping it, and hyping it down my throat if Kimbo doesn't do well?

I don't care about any of these has beens, or never will be's. Kimbo is why they're getting my ratings.

[Reavant]

u realize he could come back into the show if he loses?

[Johnny McNasty]

Why they may be similar their still not the same are they? You would've been correct in saying "Yeah he has 1 KO but he also has 5 TKO's due to him pummeling someone with his fists" but you went with ignoring the differences and classified them as the same exact thing. If your going to list sherdog as a source for why they are one in the same, I ask you to look at how the UFC lists the stats of their fighters.

A TKO can also be called when a fighter isn't intelligently defending themselves. That doesn't really show the stopping power of the fighter dealing the damage, only the inability of the fighter receiving the shots to deal with it. That could be due to poor training, him panicking, or a number of factors. Or the ref seeing that he will be out soon, but that isn't always the case.

I'm curious to know what I said that makes me look like I know what is going on here. The fact I wasn't shy to correct you on your erroneous statement, or advise you to use an edit feature when you had three posts back to back maybe? What a sock of me to know how to use a simple internet messaging board function.

Also if you worded your posts better than simply trying to correct someone with a one liner, maybe I would know what your getting at. But instead of trying to prove a point with your post, you tried to discredit someone by stating they made a false statement. Which is ironic because they didn't at all, but you clearly did.

Loose Cannon may be a mod, but he was jumping in on our discussion just to basically call me a noob. Nothing else. No adding to the argument, no providing another viewpoint. How else should I react?

[Reavant]

Speaking of jumping into someone elses conversation... Anyway, after you decided to enter the conversation, i went on to tell you "what i was getting at" which was a point that krispy would have figured out without you.

I am aware of all the different types of finishes that are under the TKO umbrella ( I mentioned some in my last post) and good for you, you were able to throw some out too! Just for shits and giggles I went to the UFC website and looked at the stats. For example when lesnar "TKOed" Couture, it was clear that he had Randy at one point in time unconscious OR when Jardine "TKOed" Forrest, and the ref let forrest's head bounce off the canvas 3 or 4 times before he stopped it (forrest was out). All the while all those finishes came from a big punch putting them down, which is how Roy does it.

I already gave my reasons for thinking your a sock but heres some of this I found of you 5 posts in...

Kinda of like how Gertner and moron are a synonym?

FLCL is amazing, but I'm sure you already know that. Trigun is pretty good, and I've heard they are making a movie soon.

Besides the ones on your list though, I would suggest Spirited Away. Pretty good anime film, with some interesting characters.

and the next post after that...
That doesn't sound like someone with 5 posts to their name.


hmmmm im not the only one to see something wrong here.

but seriously dude shut the fuck up. Just stick to modern warfare jacking it to anime and wishing you were a fighter.:y::yes:

[Reavant]

depending how you spaz to that Im going to know that ur a sock or not so be careful

[Johnny McNasty]

I wasn't referring to how the UFC decides what exactly is a TKO. Just the simple fact that they don't consider a TKO and a KO to be the same thing.

Dude do you realize your arguing with me for something I've never said lmao. I've never once said that a TKO can't be a testimate to someone's KO power. I've simply argued that a TKO and a KO are not the same thing. Which really shouldn't be that hard to understand. Geesh.

Like I said earlier if you had worded your original post better, showing what you where trying to say, instead of claiming Roy had 6 KO's to his name when he clearly doesn't. We wouldn't be arguing right now. But you didn't do that. Instead you chose to get all butt hurt when I corrected you, and began hurling silly insults my way.

About that post of mine you quoted. What can I say I dislike stupidity. But if you wanna keep being paranoid that is your business. I could also go through your posts, and dog you about anything you've ever commented about, but I don't find you that interesting really. Sorry. :-\

[Fabien Barthez]

It's not me, Reav. Kris P Lettus is my Sock account.

All I can think about with Kimbo, is he has done TV interviews in the last few weeks promoting TUF, and I believe the entire series was in the can by then... Would he be doing this if he got beaten in the first round?

[Reavant]

Now im positive hes a sock... and from the UK...


Fabien, I think someone isnt going to be able to fight and then hes going to come back after his first loss. Happens every season, and... Matt Mitrione (the heavywweight tha played for the jets) has been at Overtime for the last few weeks and he runs his mouth a lot. And he hinted towards what Im saying.

[weather vane]

A friend of mine told me that Kimbo goes the distance. Then I also hear that he gets killed in his first fight.

It all means fuck all and is all speculation. We will know when the show goes on the air.

[CSL]

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[CSL]

ON SPIKE

[Jura]

I have a feeling Kimbo will never be knocked out because his beard will absorb all punches.

[Reavant]

A friend of mine told me that Kimbo goes the distance. Then I also hear that he gets killed in his first fight.

It all means fuck all and is all speculation. We will know when the show goes on the air.

he could get killed his first fight and still go the distance

[weather vane]

True. Wanna speculate together for a bit?

[The Mask]

kimbo might have a massive underbite but his beard hides it, so nobody ever hits his chin :cool:

[Reavant]

True. Wanna speculate together for a bit?

YES!

[weather vane]

I think that he wins!

[Beauser]

u realize he could come back into the show if he loses?

Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same. It would negate all the hype. Why watch a "beast" fight if the last two fights he's had, he's gotten his ass kicked?

Kind of hurts his credibility.

Even though, everyone loses at some point, I want to see Kimbo Smash.

[Beauser]

Oh Man, that sneak peak, mays Roy look like a fat slob. He was even getting his ass kicked in training if you watch it.

I wonder if Kimbo has been training hard before TUF.

[Reavant]

I think that he wins!

I think he beats brock

[Reavant]

Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same. It would negate all the hype. Why watch a "beast" fight if the last two fights he's had, he's gotten his ass kicked?

Kind of hurts his credibility.

Even though, everyone loses at some point, I want to see Kimbo Smash.

Hes fighting the best guy on the show first fight.... him losing hurts nothing

[Vastardikai]

^


Roy by Massacre.

[The Show Off]

I'm going to say this again.

By all fighting logic Roy Nelson should destroy Kimbo Slice.

People who are saying that Kimbo wouldn't be on the talk show circut if he lost in the first round, are mistaken. I'm sure Kimbo is getting paid to be on The Ultimate Fighter, and part of them paying him is him being obligated to do press for the UFC. So reguardless of if he got knocked out in the third fight or if he made it to the finale he's probably contractually obligated to do the press tour.

[Stinkfist]

:wtf:

[alvarado52]

I'll tell you right now, i KNOW Kimbo will put up a better fight than the last two dudes Rampage put in there.

[Innovator]

Wes can be a solid fighter if he gets his cardio up

[Savio]

I'll tell you right now, i KNOW Kimbo will put up a better fight than the last two dudes Rampage put in there.
I would put up a better a fight then those 2.

[The Mask]

any streams for the second episode?

[CSL]

http://mmavideolinks.to/tv-shows/346-tuf-season-10-episodes-.html

[The Mask]

love you :heart:

[The Mask]

holy crap that was probably the most fucking shit fight i have ever seen. shivers was fucking useless and dead within half a round, and that other tit was going in with flying kicks and giving away his back loads and had pretty shite stamina too. worst of all those was the way the lanky fella was there for the taking about 6 fucking times and instead of capitalizing mcsweeney steps back for a breather, disgusting.

honestly thought mcsweeney would be good when i saw him doing padwork, he has good speed and technique but it's obvious his head isn't there when it actually comes to fighting. when they showed the stats before the fight and i saw he was 3-3 alarm bells started ringing.

i can't believe they even get the chance to compete for a UFC contract with stamina that bad and such an absolute lack of desire. it makes a mockery of the whole ultimate fighter show tbh.

[Reavant]

to be fair to shivers, when your built like him at his size, it is very hard to have good cardio. Look at bob sapp. When you have all that muscle and mass to pump blood too, your body just isnt capable of getting oxygen to where it needs to go if your that big.

[The Mask]

yeah i accept that but really he was fucked within 2 minutes. there isn't a chance of him lasting 5 5 minute rounds, to be honest i doubt he'd last 1 with anyone of skill.

[The Mask]

ANOTHER THING. i mean really if you can't make it outside of one round without gassing i think you need to look at another sport. i think almost anyone in the know would agree that MMA is probably the most cardio intensive sport going at the moment. i wouldn't ever go into an MMA fight without being at the fittest i had ever been.

[Reavant]

Yea totally... but thats why theres such a huge drop off from the elite to everyone else.

[RP]

Johnny Mcnasty is Rob btw

[CSL]

Nah

[CSL]

Convincing argument from CSL right there

[Savio]

ANOTHER THING. i mean really if you can't make it outside of one round without gassing i think you need to look at another sport. i think almost anyone in the know would agree that MMA is probably the most cardio intensive sport going at the moment.More than soccer?

[Impact!]

From someone who used to play soccer, and now is training a bit of fighting (BJJ, Muay Thai) I can truly say MMA so far is way harder on the cardio

[Reavant]

Johnny Mcnasty is Rob btw

theres no way... he went after me when i corrected krispy

[Innovator]

I won't lie, I'm pumped right now

[The Show Off]

I'm going to say this again.

By all fighting logic Roy Nelson should destroy Kimbo Slice.

Thank God for logic.

[Jura]

You said "destroy". Roy didn't destroy him.

[The Show Off]

You said "destroy". Roy didn't destroy him.

Alright, fair enough. He didn't "destroy" him. But he made Kimbo look like a vastly inferior fighter.

[Savio]

Roy is a bitch.

I missed the preview for next week is kimbo possible for fighting?

[Jura]

Yeah they are making it seem like Kimbo could be fighting again because that big black guy collapses.

I don't know. All this talk of Nelson and the performance he put on was not impressive. If Kimbo lost it wasn't gonna be anything new and we've already seen what kind of fighter he was in his last fight and he hasn't really trained that much between then but if he improves he could really be something. If he had good take down defense or could have gotten himself free at will then I believe he could have knocked Nelson out or at least win by decision.

[Stickman]

I understand why that was stopped, but it didn't look like Kimbo was hurt at all?

[SammyG]

That was such a horrible fight.

[Nark Order]

ZOMFUCKINGG CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SPOILED THIS IN THIS THREAD ABOUT THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER.

[Johnny McNasty]

Man I was hoping Kimbo would beat the odds. Dude needs to just drill takedown defense and escaping from the bottom for the rest of the time he is on the show. If he can keep a fight up on the feet I don't see anyone giving him problems. It looked like he had Roy in trouble before the takedown, but Roy was just too experienced and knew exactly what to do.

I really didn't like the way the fight ended. Everyone could see those shots where not hurting Kimbo at all, but Kimbo couldn't defend himself properly so what can you do? Thought we would see some kind of submission from Roy, but whatever gets you the W works I guess.

Hope Kimbo gets another chance sometime before the show ends.

[Innovator]

Dude really needs some takedown defense, or escapes. Thought he had Country after he tagged him a couple times

[Mr. JL]

I don't know about that stoppage...

[redoneja]

Really hope Roy Nelson gets the shit knocked out of him. Cannot stand the fat fuck.

[Johnny McNasty]

I forgot to say that Rampage was simply brillant tonight. From him making fun of McSweeney's accent to the talking head of him just going to town on Roy. How do you get the Moon off of you? lmao.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Rules are rules I guess but that was mad dumb. Can't blame the dude for doing it though. He even said it during the show, if you continually punch someone (hard or not) and there's no response they gotta stop it.

[RP]

I disagree with the whole " he need takedown defense stuff " yah he can be better, but he showed a few things. 1st round he got parked up against the fence and Nelson was trying to get him down, but Kimbo showed some really nice wrist control. He didnt let Roy Nelson get his sencond hand around him. Eventually Nelson got him down, but ultimately Kimbo's wrist control saved him from getting TKO'ed the first round because by the time Nelson locked his arms to the ground and started pounding him, the round was over.

Kimbo does need better ground defense, but consider this...BJ Penn got put into the same position and got pounded out by Hughes. And you can say " well Hughes is so much better then Nelson on the ground ", but you can also say " BJ Penn is one of the greatest ground technicians in the game ". So either way. Kimbo has some work to do.

I personally dont think Kimbo has a major future in MMA, but who knows. I was put off by Nelson's arrogance after the fight.

[alvarado52]

Nelsons a fatty who thinks he's better than he is. He's decent at best, but because he beat Kimbo, he acted like he just won the heavyweight championship via girlie punches in a crucifix. It was a bitch win, plain and simple.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Did what he needed to do, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what we think.

I was impressed by Kimbo's stand up, it actually looked reasonably crisp, but obviously as soon as it hit the ground he was lost.

He looked like a legit tough dude in there, once he gets a semblance of takedown d, he could be a legit banger in the heavyweight division. Put him against someone else who likes to brawl and you've got yourself marketable fights and that's all anyone can want from Kimbo at this point.

[The Mask]

heard a rumour he got beat in the first fight though :$

:cool:

[Vastardikai]

The punches were weak, but I think the position was more devastating than anything else. Kimbo was more or less defenseless, and had no answer for Crucifix position. At that point, it doesn't really matter how hard you hit.
As for Dana's bitching, well, I also agreed with what he had to say after the Shivers-McSweeney fight. Oh yeah... he didn't say SHIT about that abomination. Hey, at least Roy ended the fight.Also, the after fight thing, I thought it was more about him joking about how fat he was, which he and Dana did BEFORE the fight. Dana also laughed about the whole Double Whopper thing at the time. He only talked shit AFTER the fight, during the commentary.

Seriously, out of the three people who have fought and lost, Kimbo will get a second shot. Abe probably won't get cleared after the cut and Shivers looked like the drizzling shit.

[Hanso Amore]

That was lame. I think the ref should have put them back on their feet. I know Roy was in control, but he was just throwing weak punches not doing any damage but just doing it to rack up points. He is a fat fuck who got on Kimbos head, and won because he couldnt get the fat off his head.

That said, Kimbo wasnt even trying to get out, so I dunno.

Weak Sauce.

[Innovator]

Shots to the forehead are more annoying than anything

[Jura]

The punches were weak, but I think the position was more devastating than anything else. Kimbo was more or less defenseless, and had no answer for Crucifix position. At that point, it doesn't really matter how hard you hit.
As for Dana's bitching, well, I also agreed with what he had to say after the Shivers-McSweeney fight. Oh yeah... he didn't say SHIT about that abomination. Hey, at least Roy ended the fight.Also, the after fight thing, I thought it was more about him joking about how fat he was, which he and Dana did BEFORE the fight. Dana also laughed about the whole Double Whopper thing at the time. He only talked shit AFTER the fight, during the commentary.

Seriously, out of the three people who have fought and lost, Kimbo will get a second shot. Abe probably won't get cleared after the cut and Shivers looked like the drizzling shit.

I think right at the moment he just chose to give a fake laugh instead of tear into Nelson's ass because everyone already knew what happened in that fight.

[Reavant]

IM CALLING IT RIGHT NOW!!!


Kimbo loses to roy. Someone gets injured or cant fight for some reason, and kimbo steps in to take his place.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What are you talking about Reavant, YOU KNOW NOTHING

[Reavant]

Im not saying, Im just saying

[The Mask]

kimbo actually looked pretty decent. he stopped the takedowns well for the most part, had good hands. his transition blocking is a bit cack and he's a bit too stiff on his feet, doesn't circle enough but i'm sure he can learn them easily enough.

nelson was ok. seems like a very boring fighter, he didn't have to hit hard so he didn't. i can see why dana would be annoyed cause if i had to pay to see one of those guys fight it'd be kimbo every time, even if you took out his whole back story and just had him as the fighter he is now.

rampage is still a fucking terrible cornerman. i don't know why he doesn't just shut the fuck up and let the actual coaches do the shouting. "get up get up get up get up" as if that hadn't occurred to kimbo previously.

[The Show Off]

That was lame. I think the ref should have put them back on their feet. I know Roy was in control, but he was just throwing weak punches not doing any damage but just doing it to rack up points. He is a fat fuck who got on Kimbos head, and won because he couldnt get the fat off his head.

That said, Kimbo wasnt even trying to get out, so I dunno.

Weak Sauce.

You don't do a stand up when one guy has another in the crucifix. That is a dominant position, it would have been an abomination if Herb Dean stood him up when he was dominating Kimbo. Sure the punches didn't appear to be hurting Kimbo at all but you're forgetting the most important thing...

...Kimbo didn't do a damn thing to try and get up from bottom position. He didn't try to buck, he didn't try to scoot over to even try and establish guard. He didn't do anything. He just laid their like a useless slug. The stoppage was just, cause Kimbo flat out gave up on the ground. It was the same exact thing that happened to him in the James Thompson. Which shows to me that Kimbo either doesn't want to grow, or is too slow of a learner to compete. Kimbo's ground defense was a joke.

That and I'm not impressed with Kimbo's "power." He hit Roy flush a few times and didn't knock him down.

[Reavant]

I just watched the fight... and i have to say wow to some of you and a big :y: to ^TSO

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I was impressed with Kimbo's ability to last past the first round against Roy, and the fact that some of his standup was decent. Not crazy power but he can definitley swing.

Dana gave Roy a bad rap, so the fuck what if Roy "only did enough to win", dude's gotta fight a bunch of other fights why would he want to risk perhaps breaking his hand or giving up position if he can get thefight stopped by throwing low risk punches?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

is it one or 2 more fights to get to the finals for Roy?

[Savio]

Really hope Roy Nelson gets the shit knocked out of him. Cannot stand the fat fuck.

[The Show Off]

is it one or 2 more fights to get to the finals for Roy?

2

[Kris P Lettus]

Reav from way DOWNTOWN (owen brown)..

Roy fought like a bitch.. Kinda weird Ben Rothwell is co-headlining a PPV while Roy Nelson is on TUF..

[Nark Order]

Roy deserved to win that fight the way he did, tbh. Whether the punches were soft or not, he trapped Kimbo in the same crucifix trap TWICE. He neutralized Kimbo's obvious physical superiority by locking Kimbo into a position where he could not defend himself. Hats off to Roy.

[Kris P Lettus]

Thing about Dana White is, he likes fighters that leave it all out there, not fighters who squeak by..

[Nark Order]

I think Dana forgets that MMA is a mental game sometimes. Roy incapacitated Kimbo and got a legit win using his experience and cage smarts. It seems like Dana just wants explosiveness and bloodshed all the time which is cool but it's not what the sport is all about. Not something you'd expect from the President of the fucking UFC.

[Kris P Lettus]

If it weren't for Dana White UFC (actually MMA in general in America)would have gone under like 8 years ago, instead of being on tv every day of the week..

[Nark Order]

Right. And I understand exciting fights are good for publicity and television but it's a little unrealistic to think that these guys are going to go trailblazing after each other with wreckless abandon every single time. Especially on TUF where you must fight anywhere up to 3 fights in an extremely short period of time. An intelligent victory should be praised, not shit on by the President of the company. That's alls I'm sayin here.

[The Mask]

its not gonna make him money though, that's the thing. i dont think any fighter happy to continuously get points victorys in the UFC would last very long. we'll see how it pans out though.

[Nark Order]

Point victory? Are you speaking of Roy's win? It was a TKO.

[The Mask]

i know i know. i guess what i am trying to say is the UFC is pretty big on explosive endings. cause that sells better. i guess what i am trying to say is nelson's attitude towards the whole thing might not be in line with the UFCs and the direction they are trying to go. i think everyone knows they will use every loophole possible to get kimbo to win this series somehow or another, it's a bit gay really.

[Kris P Lettus]

Griffin/Bonnar 1

[Reavant]

Reav from way DOWNTOWN (owen brown)..

..

what?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Griffin/Bonnar 1

Not every fight has to be like that. Or have the same mentallity of trying to do that.

Roy used his skill to easily beat an inferior fighter. It was lose/lose for him going into that fight. He took the thinkers way out.

[Loose Cannon]

watched it last night. I was dissapointed Kimbo lost, but he looked pretty good standing up. he was moving around a lot and got a few good shots in.

when he went down that was another story and we all knew it was coming.

Apparently the show was the highest rated TUF ever, so you can bet your ass Kimbo will be back.

[The Mask]

yeah, it's blatantly a matter of when not if kimbo makes it into the ufc now. even if he has to go away and train some more and reappear in another TUF a couple of years down the line, he is worth too much to dana not to. it's cool though, he's an interesting fighter and he actually seems like a really good guy which surprised me. Even if he isn't there as a fighter and liable to get smashed in no time the last thing the UFC need is a Fedor/Kimbo fight.

[Reavant]

mask..... stop it

[The Mask]

what

[Reavant]

oh shit nevermind... i read ur post too fast i thought you were calling for a kimbo fedor fight

[The Mask]

lol

[alvarado52]

Damn, i cant find the link...but on Yahoo Sports, they said Dana Whites planning on signing Kimbo regardles. I think thats a full blown conclusion at this point. Even if he doesnt rack up wins, he'll always be a draw...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

full blown conclusion

foregone conclusion isn't it? I can't remember the exact way of saying it but it's not full blow conclusion :p

[Vastardikai]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16366/roy-nelson-says-hes-just-fine-being-the-official-suck-meter-of-the-ufc.mma

Interesting interview for Roy Nelson. I disagree with the whole LHW just being a "Stand and Bang" division, but I think it's interesting how he isn't phased by the whole "He's just a fatass" dismissal.

And he's right: the fight SHOULD have been stopped in the first.

[Crimson]

Nelson sucks too though. Watching the fight made me cringe a little. I mean either fighter could easily been ko'd by a fast/quick striker. But that's what they are there for to improve.

[Vastardikai]

The Nelson/Arlovski fight was interresting because of a questionable stand-up (which occured WHILE Nelson was working for a Kimura.). It was the only time he got stopped.

[Kris P Lettus]

what?

You called Kimbo losing and him reappearing later in the season like a week and a half ago..

[Fabien Barthez]

The ratings for the fight are through the roof. But Dana has always argued that with Kimbo, it's not that he can draw, it's how he draws.

Smart business to take a draw, and teach him how to fight. Fucking loooooooong way to go yet, mind.

[Jura]

I used to dislike Kimbo. He was a thug on the internet beating up nobodies. When I watched his first fight I was hoping he'd lose. Then he did and now he gets another chance to get in MMA and I'm rooting for him.

[Reavant]

Nelson sucks too though. Watching the fight made me cringe a little. I mean either fighter could easily been ko'd by a fast/quick striker. But that's what they are there for to improve.

no really nelson doesnt suck at all. He tried to take as little damage in the fight and work as little as possible so that he was fresh for the tournament. He is actually one of the best ground fighters in MMA. He even beat frank mir in a grappling match. And besides tell me how many heavyweights out there fall under the umbrella of fast/quick strikers.

[Crimson]

Your telling me that fat slob is one of the best ground fighters in MMA? hah Like top 10 or top 100?

The way that fight went I was picturing anyone from lesnar,couture,noguera, arlovski, dos santos, mir, knocking anyone of those two fighters out. They looked slow and tentative on their feet. Of course like I said that's why they are both there to imoprove their overall skills .

[Reavant]

YES! I am telling you he is one of the best ground fighters out there. He beat frank mir (who is arguably the best hwt on the ground) in a grappling/jujitsu tournament. He beat him bad. Look on youtube.

Watch that arlovski fight again... he rocked andrei on the feet and had him in side control on the ground going for a submission before it got stood up.... if he gets on top of anybody he can beat them.

you do realize roy was the IFL heavyweight champ?

[Crimson]

Well i'll be damned. He didnt look impressive against Kimbo . And yea he gets on top it would be hard to get his fatass off..unless it's Brock .

[Reavant]

haha what? youve never seen brock fight from his back! plus hes a wrestler and they are known for having trouble there.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

If Roy Nelson puts Brock on his back, I'll eat my hat.

[Reavant]

well right

[The Show Off]

If Roy Nelson puts Brock on his back, I'll eat my hat.

I've become a fan of Nelson's ever since his Arlovski fight but if he ever fights Brock Lesnar I'll eat your hat.

[Vastardikai]

If Roy Nelson puts Brock on his back, I'll eat my hat.

I so misread that as "I'll eat my heart"

:rofl:

[The Mask]

the trick is to know the guy is gonna try and get it to ground and stop that, another reason kimbo should have circled more.

i think kimbo would have done better on rashad's side tbh.

[Vastardikai]

ANYONE would do better on Rashad's side. One side has a coach, a techno viking, and one of the best strategists in the game. The other side has... a funny guy who wears a chain around his neck and howls.

[The Mask]

well yeah that's true.

[Pete Cash]

its not gonna make him money though, that's the thing. i dont think any fighter happy to continuously get points victorys in the UFC would last very long. we'll see how it pans out though.

The LHW and MW champion both will point it out if they have to. Machida and Anderson Silva refuse to fight outside their own terms unless forced.

If Dana White wants the best of the best he has to realise that most of those people will only fight on their own terms and that seldom means come out swinging like a maniac.

[Nark Order]

Yeah. Chris Lytle is know for his all out fucking wars and gets fight of the night on most of the cards he fights on. That being said, Chris Lytle will NEVER hold a title in the UFC.

[The Mask]

man i can't get over how bad rampage sucks.

[Nark Order]

As a Coach he's pretty awful.

As a comedy persona he's pretty 'LOL', if you will.

[The Mask]

yeah that's true but man, nobody on his team is going to improve under him.

[Reavant]

He was a total peice of shit last night

[Pete Cash]

I tell you what... Rashad is coming out of this looking a million dollars.

[Mr. JL]

I tell you what... Rashad is coming out of this looking a million dollars.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Rampage is too crazy to be a coach. He doesn't know how to interact with people lol.

[CSL]

I tell you what... Rashad is coming out of this looking a million dollars.

I dunno. He definitely came off well when consoling/talking about Demico but other than that, he usually comes off as a bit of a dick, especially in his exchanges with Rampage.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Don't say nothin' to me.

[Savio]

video stream for those of us that missed it?

[Stickman]

Rashad is coming across as a real down to earth humble guy who cares about people and likes to have fun. Rampage is just coming off as a goof who tries too hard to be funny.

[alvarado52]

Evans is a cocky prick, but he does seem to put in the work and know his stuff...so i guess he has a reason to be. Rampage on the other hand, seems to live up to the knock he's had on him for years, he simply doesnt take things serious enough.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't give a fuck what any of you say, Rampage is the G.O.A.T..

[McLegend]

No one denies Rampage isn't a great fighter. He's not a good coach, and mostly I think it's just because he doesn't like fighting.

[Kris P Lettus]

I love him so much it is ridiculous..

[Pete Cash]

How can he be the greatest of all time when he would lose to the MW champion

[The Mask]

i bet rashad/silva would be a pretty interesting fight

[Nark Order]

Interesting in the fact that Rashad would do his crazy limbo knockout dance again.

[weather vane]

wow @ Team Rampage....

[DaveBrawl]

You know I've been behind team Rampage the whole time but Justin Wren is my new favorite. That was beautiful.

[Nark Order]

Wes Simms, come the fuck on. He didn't try to bridge, he didn't squirm, he didn't do anything. LOL, this season is pretty one sided.

And they end with another Kimbo teaser.

[DaveBrawl]

Yeah it looked like he kind of accepted he was just gonna lose midmove and let it happen.

[The Gold Standard]

I would be pissed if Rampage was my coach. He is terrible.

He keeps saying he is not a coach, THEN WHY DID HE AGREE TO DO THE SHOW!?!?

[DaveBrawl]

$$$

Or promises of more prestigious fights down the line would be my guess.

[Loose Cannon]

wow

I basically had the same reaction as Dana last night. What the hell happened? this is getting pathetic. It's not all on Rampage. I mean yea, he's not a coach, but a coach can only do so much. These guys are looking like they have never faught before. like holy shit. Sims did absolutely nothing.

Rampage should get in the cage

[The Gold Standard]

Well it is sorta Rampage's fault because of how he picked the team. He picked his team based on size instead of skills.

[Vastardikai]

^

And I think, as a coach, his attitude translates to his fighters.

I honestly think he may have given up after Kimbo lost, and it's showing in these two fights with his fighters.

Then again, he's more interesting in whether or not one of his boys pulled off in the shower instead of getting ready for his next fight.

Then again, what do you expect? These guys are being trained by someone notorious for not liking to train.

[Savio]

I got so mad after Simms lost

[Reavant]

haha yea i wanted to hear him talk for a few more episodes

[Reavant]

Also I feel SUPER bad for zack. He went to my college and was on the wrestling toeam with me and while i didnt really talk to him much since he quit a week after i got there(he was a couple years older), from what I was told is that he was harrassed by the guys on the wrestling team. They were incredibly mean to him. So to see him getting that on the reality show its kind of :(

[Stickman]

I though Rampage was supposed to have a quick tongue and be great at trash talk. Rashad is owning him without even being a dick. Rampage is embarassing himself on this show.

[weather vane]

I can't see the UFC trying to make him look good either...

[Reavant]

rampage might actually a bit retarded... just a bit

[Jura]

It's like they are making it seem like Kimbo is happy his teammates are getting injured or whatever with the chance of him being able to fight again.

[Savio]

I'm glad titties won tonight

[Johnny McNasty]

Have to say this is one of the worst seasons so far. I'm really not getting into any of the fighters or the fights. Something feels like it is missing this season. Don't know if it is that none of the fighters really have much of a personality, or the fact that the coaches won't be fighting this year. Which is especially saddening after all the trash talking.

I need my stupid reality tv show drama damn it lol. Anyone else feel disappointed in this season thus far?

[KillerWolf]

first two seasons were the best, really. maybe they should go back to doing the physical challenges in order to gain control of the fights. cuz lets face it - all the pranks and whatnot, along with the "heat" between Rampage and Rashad seem pretty contrived.