NBA 2009-2010 Season Thread

[McLegend]

thats not anymore lucky than J. Rich banking a hard left three

That was lucky.

[Nervous Ferret]

Kinda h8 both these teams but "damn".

[alvarado52]

awesome game...Lakers blew some big plays, but so did the Suns. This series isnt over, far from it. The Suns fought back tooth and nail

[alvarado52]

Next game should be interesting...hell, they might even call a travel on Steve Nash once in the game.

[DaveWadding]

This series isnt over, far from it. The Suns fought back tooth and nail

This is all I ever wanted to hear from a Lakers fan.

[Juan]

This is all I ever wanted to hear from a Lakers fan.

Lakers in 6

[Johnny Vegas]

Crazy game lol. Artest comes through FINALLY

[DaveWadding]

Next game should be interesting...hell, they might even call a travel on Steve Nash once in the game.

Just like they MIGHT call an Over the Back on Gasshole and Scrodom?

[alvarado52]

Gasshole and Scrodom....god damn you come off immature at times. With SammyG gone, you pretty much stand out here. Congrats Wadding, no longer are you runner up for 'dbag basketball fan'.

[Nark Order]

lol. Love Lakers ability to blow such a huge lead.

[Juan]

Gasshole and Scrodom....god damn you come off immature at times. With SammyG gone, you pretty much stand out here. Congrats Wadding, no longer are you runner up for 'dbag basketball fan'.

Careful. He might come back with his ace in the hole; a Kobe/rapist "joke"

[McLegend]

Wadding's user title is hilarious.

[DaveWadding]

Gasshole and Scrodom....god damn you come off immature at times. With SammyG gone, you pretty much stand out here. Congrats Wadding, no longer are you runner up for 'dbag basketball fan'.

Honestly, if you think I'm a dbag, you haven't looked in the mirror lately.

[Juan]

I dunno, avocado's posts have been mostly solid analysis/opinion. No name-calling.

[Loose Cannon]

did Sammy get banned or something?

[Nark Order]

did Sammy get banned or something?

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102989

[Loose Cannon]

oh ok, he's peacin

[Loose Cannon]

just read on the ticker on ESPN that Lebron, Wade and Joe Johnson are going to talk to each other first before deciding what to do.

[Juan]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/604758/artest-game-winning-shot-o.gif

[OssMan]

Richardson hitting that 3 pointer was one of my biggest mark out moments ever. But that was a shitty ending.

[alvarado52]

I dunno, avocado's posts have been mostly solid analysis/opinion. No name-calling.

Wadding thinks anyone who isnt a fan of whatever franchise he is is a dbag. Ive never once heard that dude say anything even remotely intelligent when it comes to basketball analysis

[Juan]

Kobe fucking Bryant

Game 1: 40 pts/5 rebs/5 asts/1 stl on 13-23, 3-6 from three
Game 2: 21 pts/13 asts/5 rebs on 8-18
Game 3: 36 pts/11 asts/9 rebs on 13-24
Game 4: 38 pts/10 asts/7 rebs on 15-22,6-9 from three
Game 5: 30 pts/11 asts/9 rebs/4 blks on 12-27,4-10 from three

the real "king"

[IC Champion]

Well the "king" is gettin ready to have a meeting with Wade, Johnson, and Bosh, Bryant is winning games in the playoffs. Suck it LBJ.

[Nark Order]

Why is everybody so hostile towards Lebron James?

[IC Champion]

I'm not, I just think it gets tiring hearing how great he is, and how he's the best, when he hasn't won anything yet. Yeah he's been to the finals, and then got swept.

[Emperor Smeat]

Why is everybody so hostile towards Lebron James?

Simple answer is he was anointed the next Jordan by ESPN and others before he even stepped onto an NBA court and then kept over-hyping him before he had a chance to earn that title. Last year's playoff hype was horrible since ESPN and Nike kept pushing for a Lebron-Kobe Finals match-up even though the year before the NBA had their best ratings Finals of the 2000s (Celtics v Lakers).

It took Jordan until he beat the Pistons in 1990/91 to earn the title of superstar/great player and by then his NBA career was about 6-7 years.

[Nark Order]

People sing the praises of Kobe non-stop everyday all the time as well. The Lebron thing has never really bothered me, I dunno. He is going to be one of the greatest of all time, I just don't see the issue here.

[Juan]

People sing the praises of Kobe non-stop everyday all the time as well..

lol there it is

[Nark Order]

Am I supposed to ignore that and only focus on Lebron enthusiasts because they annoy you? Come on now...

[alvarado52]

its the fact that he is praised for essentially accomplishing nothing. He's praised as the next coming of Jordan and the savior of (insert franchise here), when he is just a physically gifted athlete. Like i said in an earlier post, his scoring and assists come from him driving the basket, not from him making Steve Nash type passes and Ray Allen type shooting.

[alvarado52]

i cant stand Pierce...he's such a fucking girl.

[Juan]

http://partmule.com/blog16/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/paul-pierce.jpg

[Nark Order]

its the fact that he is praised for essentially accomplishing nothing. He's praised as the next coming of Jordan and the savior of (insert franchise here), when he is just a physically gifted athlete. Like i said in an earlier post, his scoring and assists come from him driving the basket, not from him making Steve Nash type passes and Ray Allen type shooting.

I suppose statistics aren't impressive in their own right? Him "doing nothing" seems to be pretty inaccurate.

[Emperor Smeat]

:D

Magic fell apart once Celtics showed the same toughness and defense pressure as in Game 3. They let Howard get his stats but stopped the rest of the team aka the Lebron defense.

Didn't think going into the playoffs they would be this dominate but then again they also got healthy when needed and won the critical road games.

[alvarado52]

I suppose statistics aren't impressive in their own right? Him "doing nothing" seems to be pretty inaccurate.

fairly certain i didnt say he did nothing, i said he accomplished nothing.

[Nark Order]

Semantics is how you're going about this then? Good job.

[Nark Order]

Because those two things in the given context don't mean exactly the same thing or anything...

Having such impressive stats apparently isn't an accomplishment.

Nor is winning MVP.

[Loose Cannon]

Pierce was pretty awesome tonight.

And I really want to learn Rondo's little "cuff the ball" move. He must have some big hands to do that. Oh by the way, I learned yesterday that Rondo is going to be practicing at the basketball facility I play at this summer. would be pretty cool to see him in person. Maybe he can teach me the "cuff"

[Crimson]

The dude has E.T. like fingers, no way anyone can just 'cuff' it

[alvarado52]

Semantics is how you're going about this then? Good job.

I dunno why im gonna discuss this with someone who doesnt even watch basketball, but i will anyway.

James is a good player, no question. What the problem is is that he is not the perfect amalgamation of every NBA great in history. He is not Voltron like most try to make him out to be. He doesnt have the greatest shooting touch, he doesnt make the greatest passes, he doesnt have Dennis Rodman type instincts.

He is an athletically gifted player. Big, strong, and fast...which is why (once again, if you watched any basketball) you see him drive the lane to get his point/assists more than shoot the ball.

And accomplishing and 'doing something' is different. Fucking Darrel Armstrong 'did something' enough to be a star for Orlando years back by leading his team in scoring, but what did he accomplish?

[Nark Order]

lol, I watch "any" basketball. Is this your way of trying to null and void my argument?

I'd rather be talking to SammyG right now. This is what you've done to me. Congratulations.

[Nark Order]

And Lebron vs Kobe is just a terrible way of looking at things in the first place. Kobe has been pampered with stars almost every season since he's been in the league. He's had a hell of a supporting cast of all stars helping him all along the way. LeBron James has carried his team on his back for years now.

I said it once, I'll say it again. If you put LeBron James on ANY team, they are instantly playoff contenders.

[Juan]

Narc, you have the most annoying way of arguing ever.

[Nark Order]

I just find it weird for Lakers fans to say that they are tired of hearing the praise of LeBron James being sung all the time when we've had to have Kobe shoved down our throats forever. It's like people want to ignore that there is a battallion of fans jacking off to Kobe's every move as well.

[Juan]

Instant Classic is not a Laker fan and no one mentioned Kobe until you did.

[Skippord]

Meanwhile Dwayne Wade toils away in relative obscurity

[Nark Order]

We talked about the same thing like two pages ago. I suppose I'll forget the conversation we were having?

[alvarado52]

you see the problem with most Cavs 'fans' and people who watch a game here and there dont do is see the man for the skills he has. They hear a name, and hear the hype from Nike, see the commercials from Gatorade, or the stupid ass rap songs with Lil Wayne, and go 'wow, this guy must be the greatest' because they are show some highlights of his plays.

Wonderful, the guy can do some crazy stuff, but so can many MANY other players in the league who dont even get half the attention James does.

He is projected as a gift from the basketball gods to single handedly dominate everyone in the league, and turn a piss poor franchise into some sort of contender.

The second part is relatively accurate. A player of his skill level can definitly change your teams fortunes...not all by his lonesome though.

The first part is a crock of shit. Any individual who watches basketball for the game, not the player, will say exactly what i have said about James' skill set. But anyone else will say the guy is going to be the greatest of all time.

Is he effective? Yes. Is he gifted? Yes.

Nobody is downplaying his effectiveness as a player, we are simply stating that his stat line, as impressive as it may be, is not because the shit people say it is. He didnt dish out 12 assists by threading a needle between two defenders like Steven Nash, he did that be driving the ball, passing it to whoever left their man to close in on him, and his teammate hitting the open shot.

He didnt score 40 with double teamed fadeaways like Kobe, or three point daggers like Ray Allen...he did it by getting to the line, and driving the lane.

It doesnt make him a bad player, it just doesnt make him what everyone imagines him to be.

[Nark Order]

The same thing has been said by Lakers fans tons of times in this very thread. It's just silly that Lakers fans, of all people, would complain about one player is getting too much attention.

[Juan]

And Lebron vs Kobe is just a terrible way of looking at things in the first place. Kobe has been pampered with stars almost every season since he's been in the league. He's had a hell of a supporting cast of all stars helping him all along the way. LeBron James has carried his team on his back for years now.

I said it once, I'll say it again. If you put LeBron James on ANY team, they are instantly playoff contenders.

So sick of this argument. Why is Kobe needing a supporting cast a knock on Kobe? No one in this league can win a championship alone.

LeBron has carried his teams but it's gotten him nowhere.

LeBron may be able to take any team to the playoffs, but again, without a supporting cast he'll never win a championship.

[Juan]

The same thing has been said by Lakers fans tons of times in this very thread. It's just silly that Lakers fans, of all people, would complain about one player is getting too much attention.

Laker fans aren't the only ones who are sick of LeBron James. I dunno why you keep acting like Laker fans have some vendetta against LeBron.

[alvarado52]

The same thing has been said by Lakers fans tons of times in this very thread. It's just silly that Lakers fans, of all people, would complain about one player is getting too much attention.

omfg, do you seriously not pay attention to ANYTHING stated? Nobody said they are jealous of his attention, all people have really said is that he is not what is portrayed.

[Juan]

There seems to be very little actual basketball knowledge in Narc's stance/opinion

[Nark Order]

you see the problem with most Cavs 'fans' and people who watch a game here and there dont do is see the man for the skills he has. They hear a name, and hear the hype from Nike, see the commercials from Gatorade, or the stupid ass rap songs with Lil Wayne, and go 'wow, this guy must be the greatest' because they are show some highlights of his plays.

Wonderful, the guy can do some crazy stuff, but so can many MANY other players in the league who dont even get half the attention James does.

He is projected as a gift from the basketball gods to single handedly dominate everyone in the league, and turn a piss poor franchise into some sort of contender.

The second part is relatively accurate. A player of his skill level can definitly change your teams fortunes...not all by his lonesome though.

The first part is a crock of shit. Any individual who watches basketball for the game, not the player, will say exactly what i have said about James' skill set. But anyone else will say the guy is going to be the greatest of all time.

Is he effective? Yes. Is he gifted? Yes.

Nobody is downplaying his effectiveness as a player, we are simply stating that his stat line, as impressive as it may be, is not because the shit people say it is. He didnt dish out 12 assists by threading a needle between two defenders like Steven Nash, he did that be driving the ball, passing it to whoever left their man to close in on him, and his teammate hitting the open shot.

He didnt score 40 with double teamed fadeaways like Kobe, or three point daggers like Ray Allen...he did it by getting to the line, and driving the lane.

It doesnt make him a bad player, it just doesnt make him what everyone imagines him to be.

This is ridiculous though. He has to achieve all his stats by doing it in the most difficult way possible? He gets his numbers, he gets his team numbers, and they are high numbers. Am I to understand that your disdain for him stems from the idea that he doesn't take the "long road" to accomplishing everything?

[alvarado52]

its like talking to Wadding.

[RoXer]

What is everyone's opinions on Shaquille O'Neal?

[Nark Order]

So sick of this argument. Why is Kobe needing a supporting cast a knock on Kobe? No one in this league can win a championship alone.

LeBron has carried his teams but it's gotten him nowhere.

LeBron may be able to take any team to the playoffs, but again, without a supporting cast he'll never win a championship.

It isn't a knock on Kobe. It's just in the "Kobe vs LeBron" argument, Championships are always brought up. If Championships are made by the team, then this has no place in the argument. All I'm saying. Either include it or don't.

[alvarado52]

This is ridiculous though. He has to achieve all his stats by doing it in the most difficult way possible? He gets his numbers, he gets his team numbers, and they are high numbers. Am I to understand that your disdain for him stems from the idea that he doesn't take the "long road" to accomplishing everything?

I DISDAIN Paul Pierce for being a dramatic little bitch, for KG being an all bark/no bite douchebag, and for Bruce Bowen being a dirty ass player.

I do not disdain LeBron James at all...i disdain talking to individuals who talk up the guy like he just did a behind the back pass off the backboard at half court to himself to hit a three with every player from the opposite team, both on and off the court, guarding him.

I disdain the LeBron James mythology.

[Skippord]

that really isn't the right use of the word disdain

[Juan]

It isn't a knock on Kobe. It's just in the "Kobe vs LeBron" argument, Championships are always brought up. If Championships are made by the team, then this has no place in the argument. All I'm saying. Either include it or don't.

Sorry, that's just not the way it works in sports.

[Nark Order]

That's not the way what works? I'm saying to either include it or don't include it. You can't have it both ways because it's convenient. That's what I'm saying here.

[Jeritron]

Whoever gets Lebron James can have him. He's a great player, but he's also talked up by the ESPN generation because the NBA is desperate to have another Michael Jordan.
Sick of hearing about it to be honest. He can go wherever and I could care less because he has been beasted by the Celts twice now. Lakers fans have every right to feel the same way too. Titles > endorsements.

[Jeritron]

Pretty much exactly how I feel about Peyton Manning too, to cross it over into sports in general and not just the NBA

[Nark Order]

Yeah, I suppose he's talked up I just don't get why people have such an issue. I mean Kobe was talked up and Kevin Durant is being talked up now. It just seems like Lebron "pushes peoples buttons" somehow.

[Jeritron]

Because it's far more shoved down their throats, probably. It pushes people buttons more because it's far more overblown.
I can't stand half the things the national sports media (especially ESPN) try to perpetuate anyways. They're responsible for leading droves of "sports fans" to think a certain way, and it's ultimately all in the name of marketability.
There's a huge base of people whose sports knowledge and opinions are lacking, and identical

[Jeritron]

I hate the modern mentality that has sports ADD, and only has interest in slam dunks, touchdowns, home runs and goals. They have no patience or understanding for the rest of what goes into sports, and they have more appreciation for the highest selling jerseys and product endorsements than they do for hard work and winning championships.

That's the end of my shoot. I just really don't care about Lebron James on the level I'm expected to. He's a great player, but enough is enough. That's why I avoid ESPN. I'm all set with spending a summer hearing about Lebron James and Bret Favre in 5 minute rotating shifts.

[Nark Order]

I'd care even more if he were on the Kings. :(

[Emperor Smeat]

Last year all ESPN hyped and covered was a a Kobe-Lebron NBA Finals like it would have been the biggest thing ever to happen in sports.

They got rid of the split-face promo commercials and pictures from the year before that were awesome just to partner up with Nike and others to hype up their ideal NBA Finals matchup. Those split-face commercials and the "Where anything happens" were some of the best NBA commercials in a long time.

[Jeritron]

I hope David Stern never gets his way on that matchup. I'd rather see The Lakers and Celtics 10 more times. Obviously that's because I'm from Boston, but honestly in principle I'd just rather see any major sporting event be about a rivalry between two TEAMS, not two players.

[McLegend]

It's great to see fans of Boston and LA hate over exposed athletes.

[Jeritron]

Might post in here more now that SammyG's gone

[Jeritron]

It's great to see fans of Boston and LA hate over exposed athletes.

Well you're going to get media attention when you win the championship. That should happen.
When you're playing in Cleveland and not winning anything, and you're getting nonstop attention, it's obviously all about the individual.

[McLegend]

Right since it's not like Boston got media attention when they weren't winng Championshps.

[Jeritron]

Yea the Celtics got tons of national media attention outside of Boston before 2008...

[Jeritron]

Patriots were a huge national franchise in the Drew Bledsoe era....

[Jeritron]

EVERYONE loved the Red Sox when Brian Daubach was batting cleanup....

[McLegend]

Wasn't there something invloving a curse that was mentioned every fucking day?

Or did I dream that?

[McLegend]

What about some guy name Nomar? Wasn't he the Jesus christ of the red sox that got insane media hype?

Or did I dream that to?

[Jeritron]

The Red Sox baseball curse is an overexposed NBA athlete?

Oh wait, it's something involving an entire franchise in another sport. It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Even still, it wasn't talked about on a national level unless something major happened involving it, or you were watching a show about baseball history.
The Red Sox weren't overblown the way they are until 2004

[Jeritron]

What about some guy name Nomar? Wasn't he the Jesus christ of the red sox that got insane media hype?

Or did I dream that to?

Comparing Nomar to Lebron James in any way shape or form is assinine. Every city has a star athlete regardless of their teams performances. That doesn't make them even close to the same thing

[Jeritron]

Next I'm gonna hear about how unfair it is that Brady is a bigger star than Donovan McNabb

[McLegend]

The curse was overexposed was it not?

[Jeritron]

The curse is something that had a sports history dating back 86 years before it got snapped. It was tremendously overexposed after 1986, and then again in 2004. Both of those things involved championship games though. That's a national story.
Yes, it was a major sports story but did you really hear that much about it before 2004? Only if you were watching a countdown of heartbreaking sports moments. It was a part of baseball culture, not front page news week in week out.

[Jeritron]

I don't recall hearing about where the curse might be signing in the offseason, or whether or not Delonte West was banging it's mom

[McLegend]

Next I'm gonna hear about how unfair it is that Brady is a bigger star than Donovan McNabb

Why would I say this? I'm pretty sure I've said bad things about Mcnabb plenty of times.

I have no problem admiting Tom Brady is a bigger star than #5.


Cmon

[Nark Order]

I guess the reason that I don't understand everybody getting so furious at this LeBron thing is that it's not like it's some crazy outlandish claim to say that he's the best in the league. A more suiting term would definitely be "arguably one of the best" but it isn't like they're trying to peg some B player as the face of the company or anything.

I will agree with the fact that they shouldn't be trying to really peg anybody as the face of the NBA, but it IS a business.

[Jeritron]

I'm just use to a parade of various complaints about Boston sports, that may take different forms but usually are rooted in just flat out resentment of the past decade of winning.

[Jeritron]

To be fair, I hate the ESPNs and David Sterns of the world more than Lebron.

[Crimson]

Lebron will stay in Cleveland.
Wade will stay in Miami.
Johnson to the Knicks.
Bosh to the Lakers.

[Juan]

Crimson with the inside scoop

[Droford]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/466087/dsc01540z.jpg

Clipper "Nation" wants Lebron James. Ben Maller was involved in this somewhere..

Also, the Salvation is in Christ only sign..lol

[OssMan]

John Wall to the Wizards

[McLegend]

I'm just use to a parade of various complaints about Boston sports, that may take different forms but usually are rooted in just flat out resentment of the past decade of winning.

This isn't true at all. Good for Boston they won all those titles. The teams were really good, and deserved to the win them. I have no problem with that. I even like the Patriots. So no that's not true.

I resent Boston fans, Laker fans, New York fans(primarily Yankee fans), and Cowboys fans is because they feel like a World Championship is there birthright. Once you feel entitled to something that's where all the problems start.

[Jeritron]

I don't feel that way at all. Years of losing makes it the opposite, and it seems to be even more that way for people like my father who've been around longer.
There are people like that, but they're probably the inevitable bandwagon fans that come with the titles, and they're always louder and obnoxious anyways.
Half of them are just there to get drunk and post pics on facebook anyways.

[McLegend]

To be fair, I hate the ESPNs and David Sterns of the world more than Lebron.

Also this...

Is it Lebron's fault that he is so good that every team in the NBA wants him?

Why does all this backlash come on Lebron? Same with Brett Favre? It's the media's fault and who ever else controls those things for doing it, but yet they feel the brunt of it.

[Jeritron]

The way they thrive on it is awful. Particularly Favre.

But I never said Lebron wasn't a great player or that I thought he was a bad person. I said I'm sick and tired of hearing about him, considering what he's done and more importantly what he hasn't done.

[McLegend]

I don't feel that way at all. Years of losing makes it the opposite, and it seems to be even more that way for people like my father who've been around longer.
There are people like that, but they're probably the inevitable bandwagon fans that come with the titles, and they're always louder and obnoxious anyways.
Half of them are just there to get drunk and post pics on facebook anyways.

Boston doesn't have years of losing though. They were one of the winning-est cities even before the decade(2000-2010).

[McLegend]

I don't feel that way at all. Years of losing makes it the opposite, and it seems to be even more that way for people like my father who've been around longer.
There are people like that, but they're probably the inevitable bandwagon fans that come with the titles, and they're always louder and obnoxious anyways.
Half of them are just there to get drunk and post pics on facebook anyways.

Boston doesn't have years of losing though. They were one of the winning-est cities even before the decade(2000-2010).

[Jeritron]

Well the teams were often winning in the sense that they were above .500, but the Patriots hadn't ever won a title, the Red Sox hadn't won in 86 years, and the Celts and Bruins hadn't won since 72 and 86 respectively.
That isn't anything above most cities. It was pretty standard.

[Jeritron]

Teams occasionally made the playoffs too, but never went anywhere. It wasn't all "losing" teams but they were years of losing in the sense that ultimately nothing was won and the teams were just good enough to get some scattered hopes up, but never win.
Even a city like Cleveland had The Indians going to the world series and deep into the post season often. I wouldn't call them winners in the 90s. Detroit has always had the Pistons and Red Wings, but look at the Tigers and Lions.
What I meant to say was, Boston never won big or had anything over most other cities (besides history) in my lifetime, until 2002 onwards.
This decade it's this big powerhouse that everyone else in the country hates for some reason or another. Eventually it will change and we'll see a dry spell again.

[alvarado52]

I resent Boston fans, Laker fans, New York fans(primarily Yankee fans), and Cowboys fans is because they feel like a World Championship is there birthright. Once you feel entitled to something that's where all the problems start.

thats a real generalization there. Ive been a Laker fan all my life, but the problem with people like Wadding is they talk down to Laker fans for having faith in their team.

Sure, some fans (see the Bandwagoners discussed earlier) can be annoying, but there are more Laker/Boston fans who see the game for what it is than you think.

Just because i feel the Lakers will win the championship doesnt mean im cocky, it means they had the best record, they are my team, and i will have faith in them until the final buzzer sounds, regardless of the outcome.

The difference, NBA wise, is that The Lakers have played in almost half the NBA championships in NBA history, so clearly youre gonna hear alot of a team so consistent with making it to the big game.

And anyone with sports history knows that the Celts have the most titles with 17, and the Lakers with 15. So if you base your hatred off championship success, i can see why you would hate the franchises listed, because they are consistintly (with Cowboys being the exception) competing heavily for a title.

As for the fans, the true fans...any real fan of any sports franchise will always have faith in their team. I have friends who are die hard Raider fans, and while i cant stand the 'Raider Nation', i applaud them for being so proud, no matter where there team is in the standings.

[DaveWadding]

thats a real generalization there. Ive been a Laker fan all my life, but the problem with people like Wadding is they talk down to Laker fans for having faith in their team.

There is having faith in your team, and then there is anointing them Finals bound after two games.

[MTH15]

I hope the wizards get john wall. My 2nd team (Celtics) are gonna pummel the lakers if they get to the ship....and my 3rd team (Suns) aint going out like that......FUCK DA LAKERS

[Juan]

Almost forgot....

http://www.backstagegfx.com/forum/uploads/U4-1240212700.jpg

[RoXer]

Would love to see the home/away shooting stats of the Suns this series.

[Juan]

Kobe fucking Bryant

[DaveWadding]

Emphasis on the fucking.

[DaveWadding]

Dunno what to say. Everyone on the Lakers finally started making the shots they'd missed against the zone. That's it. I'm proud of the Suns. I didn't think at the start of this season that they would be here at this point. They came on strong down the stretch, and the combination of the Lakers and the refs brought them down. But they scrapped all the way and the took the Lakers to the final minute of Game 6.

[McLegend]

Yeah Kobe is in that zone which only a few people have ever gotten to.

[DaveWadding]

P.S. Go Celtics.

[McLegend]

Also I don't know if it would have mattered, but Jared Dudley should have been on the court there in the final minutes.

[Emperor Smeat]

Random NBA Finals stats :

Lakers have won almost 1/2 of all the possible Western Conference titles and after this NBA Finals, Celtics and Lakers will own exactly 1/2 of all the NBA titles possible.

Celtics own about 1/3 of all the possible Eastern Conference titles.

Since 1999, the Mavs are the only non-Spurs/Lakers to come from the West while the East supplied 9 different teams in 12 years.

[Juan]

Suns put up a hell of a fight. Gotta give them credit.

With that said, though....

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/438964621_43f85a26d9.jpg?v=0

[Juan]

4 more to go!!

[Juan]

Alvin Gentry in post game interview and post game press conference: "Kobe is the best player in basketball right now. I don't think it's even close."

:D

[RoXer]

2005?

[Juan]

2005?

It's the best one I could find.

[Juan]

2007

http://www.nba.com/media/playoffs2007/fishin07_suns_600.jpg

[Jeritron]

Pretty valiant effort by the Suns at the end but Kobe being Kobe

Celts Lakers should be great

[Juan]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/620749/kobe-insane-shot-over-hill-o.gif

[Juan]

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[Skippord]

Hey everyone watch the Sports Reporters, otherwise known as the Kobe Bryant fellatio hour

[Tyguy]

I like the celtics in this series. For the first time in the playoffs the lakers will be playing a team that actually plays defense. Not only that, but the best defensive team in the nba. The key to stopping the lakers has always been to contain or shut down their big men. Up until now the lakers big men have had a field day. OKC had o big men, the jazz have no legit 7 footers, and boozer has always been a sieve defensively. Amare has the same defensive woes as boozer, and the suns implemented a zone to junk the games up. Perkins and Garnett are totally different beasts defensively. Perkins allowed the celtics to stay home on their defensive assignments by effectively single covering dwight howard. I'm expecting both bynum and gasols efficiency to go way down with perkins muscling in the paint with bynum, and gasol having to contend with the length of garnett. Rondo will also be an interesting situation. Fisher has no shot of containing rondo.

You might see the lakers match kobe up against him because they have nobody that can stay in front of him, and at least kobe has a length advantage. Dealing with rondo is a full time job though because he is the celtics catalyst and Kobe will need energy for the offensive end. It should be noted that Perkins only needs 1 more technical that will give him a one game suspension. That could really tip the momentum for the lakers. If I were LA I would do everything I could to get under his skin because they have no replacement for his low post defensive presence.

[Tyguy]

I'm not, I just think it gets tiring hearing how great he is, and how he's the best, when he hasn't won anything yet. Yeah he's been to the finals, and then got swept.He went to the nba finals with possibly the worst supporting cast in league history. The only legit starter on that team outside of Lebron was zydrunas ilgauskas. His starting back court of pavlovic and larry hughes are league outcasts, and Drew Gooden is the dumbest player in the nba.

[alvarado52]

I like the celtics in this series. For the first time in the playoffs the lakers will be playing a team that actually plays defense. Not only that, but the best defensive team in the nba. The key to stopping the lakers has always been to contain or shut down their big men. Up until now the lakers big men have had a field day. OKC had o big men, the jazz have no legit 7 footers, and boozer has always been a sieve defensively. Amare has the same defensive woes as boozer, and the suns implemented a zone to junk the games up. Perkins and Garnett are totally different beasts defensively. Perkins allowed the celtics to stay home on their defensive assignments by effectively single covering dwight howard. I'm expecting both bynum and gasols efficiency to go way down with perkins muscling in the paint with bynum, and gasol having to contend with the length of garnett. Rondo will also be an interesting situation. Fisher has no shot of containing rondo.

You might see the lakers match kobe up against him because they have nobody that can stay in front of him, and at least kobe has a length advantage. Dealing with rondo is a full time job though because he is the celtics catalyst and Kobe will need energy for the offensive end. It should be noted that Perkins only needs 1 more technical that will give him a one game suspension. That could really tip the momentum for the lakers. If I were LA I would do everything I could to get under his skin because they have no replacement for his low post defensive presence.

so i guess Perkins and KG play every minute of every game? You dont think bodying up Bynum/Gasol is gonna tire them out as much as the other way around? Not to mention Odom can be placed at the 4 just as easily, and Artest could also bang if necessary (something i wish they would do more instead of have him float at around the 3 arc).

Rondo will have his, but not as easily as he has had it in the east. Sasha cant be relied on for offense, but you damn sure can rely on him to chase your guard around relentlessly. Brown has the athleticism to keep up with Rondo as well, the question being if he will bother to since he tends to be lazy on defense.

Pierce will have issues with Artest.

All in all, its not gonna be as easy as you just made it sound, like the Lakers have no answers for the Celts and the Celts have all the answers for the Lakers.

[McLegend]

Rondo is going to eat Derrick Fisher and anyone else on the Lakers alive.

[alvarado52]

Rondo is going to eat Derrick Fisher and anyone else on the Lakers alive.

With what, his fantastic shooting ability? The Lakers have had to deal with Westbrook, D. Williams, and Steve Nash so far...its not like they havent been tested at the PG position. And tbh, i think Nash and Westbrook are bigger threats than Rondo

[McLegend]

No they aren't.

He's the 2nd best player in the series.

[alvarado52]

Really? Westbrook has a better shot than Rondo, is just as fast (if not faster) and more athletic. Youre delusional to say Westbrook isnt.

[McLegend]

Rondo is better then Westbrook at this point. I'm a big Russel Westbrook, but child please.

You're hatred of The Celtics is blinding you.

[alvarado52]

im basing this off what i saw in these playoffs. Its not a matter of what jersey Rondo wears. Im not saying Rondo will not do well (matter of fact, i stated he will get his stats), im saying you guys are talking like the Lakers havent been tested this post season at the 1, when they have faced off against the leagues best. And yet here we are, in the finals.

On the other side of that coin, Rondo hasnt faced any real decent defenders during their East title run.

[alvarado52]

unless you consider Carlos Arroyo, Mike Bibby, and Jameer Nelson grade A defenders.

[alvarado52]

...or even grade B

[Juan]

Rondo is going to eat Derrick Fisher and anyone else on the Lakers alive.

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/26374-1/Kobe+Bryant+says+Shhhhhhh.jpg

[McLegend]

im basing this off what i saw in these playoffs. Its not a matter of what jersey Rondo wears. Im not saying Rondo will not do well (matter of fact, i stated he will get his stats), im saying you guys are talking like the Lakers havent been tested this post season at the 1, when they have faced off against the leagues best. And yet here we are, in the finals.

On the other side of that coin, Rondo hasnt faced any real decent defenders during their East title run.

They have no one to cover Rondo. History tells us anyway if you are quick PG who can get to the basket you are going to have really good games against the Lakers.

So now we take the best quick PG who is also the best at getting to the basket it's logical to think he is going to have his way with the Lakers.

Who are these decent defenders that the Lakers have at the PG position? It's most certianly Derrick Fisher. because he won't be able to cover Rondo. Jordan Farmer stands no chance either. I guess Shannon Brown is the best option defensively, and he isn't that much better of an option. So if Shannon Brown is your best option... That's trouble.

If Rondo isn't heathly though than that's the going to be a problem for the Celtics.

[McLegend]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/26374-1/Kobe+Bryant+says+Shhhhhhh.jpg

He isn't really going to be covering Rondo that much though.

[Juan]

Yes he is.

Fisher is gonna guard Allen, Artest is gonna guard Pierce and Kobe is gonna guard Rondo.

That's the plan, anyway.

[McLegend]

You want Kobe covering Rondo the whole game? Crunch time yeah sure, but if does the whole game throughout the whole series he's going to be tired out, and heavy legs.

Then on the flip side do you even trust Fisher to chase Ray Allen around on all those screens?

Lakers don't have as big matchup advantage here as they have had throughout the whole playoffs.

Lamar Odom again is the key.

[OssMan]

I like the celtics in this series.
OK random sports talk radio show host/ESPN basketball analyst

[OssMan]

Drew Gooden is the dumbest player in the nba.
I didn't know he was Lamar Odom

[Crimson]

Didn't Paul Pierce pretty much keep Kobe on check 2 years ago? Not stop him all together but neutrelized him throughout.

[Emperor Smeat]

Top 10 Moments of Celtics-Lakers NBA Finals
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[Innovator]

Didn't Paul Pierce pretty much keep Kobe on check 2 years ago? Not stop him all together but neutrelized him throughout.
That was more Jesus Shuttlesworth

[IC Champion]

Let's go Lakers, you can finally make up for your distasterous finals two years ago.

[Loose Cannon]

pretty pumped for this series. should be a good one.

[Juan]

Didn't Paul Pierce pretty much keep Kobe on check 2 years ago? Not stop him all together but neutrelized him throughout.

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[Skippord]

I'm sure there's nothing biased there

[Juan]

I'm sure you didn't watch the whole video

[alvarado52]

cannot stand KG

[Skippord]

I did not watch any of it

[Skippord]

actually I watched the beginning and assumed

[Skippord]

me being biased against the Lakers may make me think that though

[McLegend]

I guess Adrian Wojnarowski doesn't like Lebron James.

[McLegend]

SammyG is rolling in his grave.

[McLegend]

Man Ron Artest just made the most sense ever with his recent quote about taking charges.

[OssMan]

This will probably be the worst finals of all time to cap the worst playoffs of all time.

[Juan]

You probably shouldn't watch it then

[Jeritron]

It would probably be much better if it was the Suns vs Magic

[Juan]

Game 1

Lakers 99
Boston 90

[Jeritron]

No

[Juan]

5 bucks

[RP]

laker 104
boston 102


Kobe is playing for his freedom

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[RoXer]

What is this, the nerdiest PA announcer alive? That was the flattest delivery I've ever heard.

[Londoner]

Why do NBA games always take forever to start?

[alvarado52]

man, Rondo is killing us...

[McLegend]

Yeah looking really good.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Why have so many people been talking about the Lakers trying avenge losing to the Celtics two years ago. Pretty sure winning the title last year was pretty good avenging. Why would the defending champs need revenge on anyone

[McLegend]

I guess because they didn't play the Celtics who were without KG.

Also they got embarassed really bad against Boston in 08.

[alvarado52]

um, cuz the Celts beat the Lakers for their title?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah but they're the champs

[Skippord]

Because people are retarded

[McLegend]

They got embarassed though in 08.

Wouldn't you want to avenge that? Even if you won the finals the next year?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Because you're the champs

revenge is for commoners

[Nark Order]

Lakers might blow their giant lead once again here. Celtics putting on a defensive clinic in the 4th. Gotta feeling Lakers will get back on their feet here pretty soon though.

[McLegend]

No way.

Revenge is awesome.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's in the top 2 no doubt.

[Juan]

I think if anyone has anything to prove in this series it's Boston.

[Juan]

Probably sounds a bit biased considering I'm a Lakers fan, but w/e

[alvarado52]

besides the whole Lakers/Celtics franchise history, youre trying to repeat against the team that beat you for their championship. Its also one of the few times the champs from the past two years are going at it.

[alvarado52]

Also, i really dont know what we're gonna do about Rondo...he's tearing through our defense and getting easy layups. Plus that sweet jumper of his. [/sarcasm]

[RP]

RON ARTEST JUST SLAPPED A BALL AWAY RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Kobe Bryant : " YAH NIGGA YAH... wait you hood??? YAHHHHHH DAWG GIMME LOVES AND HUGS FOR THE CAMERAS CAUSE WE DAWGS RIght? yah nigg!"

[alvarado52]

lol @ KG...thats two now.

[RP]

TIME to retire now kevin

[McLegend]

KG is making nearly 50 million in the next 2 years. He ain't retiring.

[alvarado52]

OH SHIT! THE NATIONAL SPELLING BEE!

[McLegend]

Also, i really dont know what we're gonna do about Rondo...he's tearing through our defense and getting easy layups. Plus that sweet jumper of his. [/sarcasm]

Looks like he had some trouble againsth the height of the Lakers.

[alvarado52]

Looks like he had some trouble againsth the height of the Lakers.

definitely. I think this is something alot of people havent really factored into Rondo's playoff run.

[alvarado52]

LOL KG!!!!

[McLegend]

Lakers obviously are playing better, but it fees like they should be up by more then 13 .

[alvarado52]

Game 1

Lakers 99
Boston 90

dang Juan, almost.

[alvarado52]

Lakers obviously are playing better, but it fees like they should be up by more then 13 .

they've had to battle off a couple small runs from the Celts. I dunno, im much more content with them holding onto a lead than having a huge one, it keeps them in check and on their toes.

[Juan]

dang Juan, almost.

fucking Kobe making that 3 at the end

[Nark Order]

So... How about them Chargers?

[Londoner]

lakers won i take it?

exciting

[Emperor Smeat]

Celtics had another poor 2nd half quarter they've done a bunch of times this season/playoffs while Kobe got really hot in the 3rd Quarter.

Pierce and Ray Allen both with 5 fouls did hurt a bit since neither could be as "physical" on defense or else be gone from the game also benefited the Lakers in Game 1.

[Nark Order]

Some Lakers fans are pretty obnoxious but Jack Nicholson cracks me up.

[OssMan]

Well this game was fucking scintillating

[OssMan]

Fucking Ron Artest performed the Impaler on Paul Pierce at the start of the game

[RP]

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[Juan]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2j5dmbs.gif

[RP]

lol

[Jeritron]

the spirit of SammyG is alive and well after 1 game. chill

[Nark Order]

lol

[Loose Cannon]

lol Chris Rock.

[McLegend]

Didn't Chris Rock get cursed out by Phil Jackson while he was getting interviewed?

[McLegend]

Danny Ferry is out as Cleveland Cavs GM. Assistant GM Chris Grant will take over.

[IC Champion]

It won't matter, LeBron is NYC or Chicago bound, maybe Miami.

[ClockShot]

If LeBron is out, Cleveland is going back to the stoneage. Probably much farther than that.

[Loose Cannon]

wtf, I thought Game 2 would be tonight. It's not till Sunday. Have the finals always been this spread out???

[McLegend]

There is always at least a day in between games. Yes, though it is usually this spread out.

[Juan]

Yeah, there are never back to back games during the playoffs/finals

[Emperor Smeat]

wtf, I thought Game 2 would be tonight. It's not till Sunday. Have the finals always been this spread out???

Usually its between the 3rd and 4th game to have the most days off (2-3 days) since it could be a series clincher to maximize a huge ratings but the NBA for last few years have based their schedule on what makes them the most money/hype.

NBA once had a 1st Round series (pre-Wade Heat vs maybe the Bucks) that lasted 2 1/2 weeks due to the weird tv schedule.

[IC Champion]

NBA likes to wait 4 days between games.

[IC Champion]

thank god for the NHL

[Emperor Smeat]

If LeBron is out, Cleveland is going back to the stoneage. Probably much farther than that.

If Lebron leaves, his image probably takes a bit of a hit since management is making sure everyone else knows they consulted with Lebron for his feelings/input on the coach and GM firings.

It gives the owner an excuse to say that the decisions were made with help by Lebron when for the past couple of years everyone knew changes were needed.

[RP]

I dont give a fuck about Lebron

If Bird cant sign Carmelo next year, GET ... THE FUCK.....OUT LARRY BIRD!

[Nark Order]

If the Lakers win Game 2 we should all agree to be simultaneously obnoxious.

[IC Champion]

I dont give a fuck about Lebron

If Bird cant sign Carmelo next year, GET ... THE FUCK.....OUT LARRY BIRD!

No one's going to Indiana. Reggie Miller has been retired, he now calls NBA games, let's just move on.

[OssMan]

Lebron James is the prototypical negroid. All of his facial features exaggerate this. He honestly looks like those stone age drawings.

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/negskull.gif

http://www.eurweb.com/images/articles/200903/lebron_james%28007-headshot-smile-med%29.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/chris_ballard/01/27/lebron.james/lebron-james-cover.jpg

[Juan]

You have a strange fascination with black people.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tom Thibodeau (Boston assistant coach) accepts Bulls coaching job and turned down Hornets job offer but won't officially take the job until after the Finals are over. Hornets were too stubborn and wanted him to accept the job before the Finals while Bulls were willing to wait till after the Finals for his decision.

I'm a bit upset since he seemed liked the best choice to replace Doc Rivers had he decided to not come back next season or the following season.

[Jeritron]

Why would Gasol and Phil Jackson say the shit they did about KG? I have no idea why they would do this, not only because it's poor sportsmanship but it just seems like the last thing you would want to do.
He's one of the most intense dudes ever, and if he's playing sluggishly you should probably try to keep it that way rather than light a fire under his ass.

I dunno.

[Johnny Vegas]

Lebron James is the prototypical negroid. All of his facial features exaggerate this. He honestly looks like those stone age drawings.

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/negskull.gif

http://www.eurweb.com/images/articles/200903/lebron_james%28007-headshot-smile-med%29.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/chris_ballard/01/27/lebron.james/lebron-james-cover.jpg

Can you just die already, honestly.

[OssMan]

Are you trying to dispute my claim Johnny Vega$$$$©

[Juan]

Why would Gasol and Phil Jackson say the shit they did about KG? I have no idea why they would do this, not only because it's poor sportsmanship but it just seems like the last thing you would want to do.
He's one of the most intense dudes ever, and if he's playing sluggishly you should probably try to keep it that way rather than light a fire under his ass.

I dunno.

If you watched the whole press conference, that bitch from ESPN took what Pau said out of context and it blew up and the rest of the media were all over it.

As for Phil, he actually praised KG in the press interview the very next day.

[Nark Order]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2227/kobe2copy.jpg

[alvarado52]

If you watched the whole press conference, that bitch from ESPN took what Pau said out of context and it blew up and the rest of the media were all over it.

As for Phil, he actually praised KG in the press interview the very next day.

Waaaaay out of context. The chick basically took the first 6 words and ran with them, ignoring the rest of the statement

[Jeritron]

if it lights a fire under KG's ass I don't care

[Juan]

The bad game he had in game 1 should have been enough to light a fire under his ass.

[Emperor Smeat]

:eek: Ray Allen

[RoXer]

rayalleneyeballs.jpg

[alvarado52]

I hate the jersey he wears, but i love watching Allen play ball. Always have.

[Londoner]

didnt realise this was on till just now

[alvarado52]

well that 3 record is as good as Ray's. Lakers arent defending him for squat considering dude has scored HALF the Celtics points.

[alvarado52]

Lakers traditionally have very solid 3rd quarters, and the Celts tend to be hit or miss during the 4th, so i still feel comfortable

[alvarado52]

WTF...how the SHIT is that off Pau? This is some of the shittiest reffing ive seen in awhile on both sides of the ball.

[Triple Naitch]

Lol did anybody else just hear "MAAAAAAAAAAAAH NIGGA"

[Jeritron]

yes lol

[Juan]

god dammit

[Emperor Smeat]

Celtics really improved a lot in rebounding and 3pt shooting compared to the 1st game. A bit worried for a while when Lakers got hot to start the 3rd Quarter but Celtics stopped them unlike the 1st game.

[Jeritron]

Bad game from Pierce and Garnett, but I'll still take it

[alvarado52]

good to see KG still gets away with illegal screens and holding. Cant count how many times he's held Pau during his 'screens'

[Jeritron]

lol at the commentators. Sounds like a funeral

[alvarado52]

1) every Celtic's fan should suck Ray Allen's weenie tonight. 2) If the Lakers allow people to break records every game they will have trouble. That being said, Allen single handedly won this game for the Celts, but i dont expect him to break records against the Lakers all that often.

[McLegend]

KG should really think about doing HGH between now and Game 3.

[Skippord]

I feel like Rajon Rondo did pretty well for the Celtics also

[Jeritron]

Yea the Celtics aren't going to win another game unless players are breaking records. Rondo sucks because of Game 1 too

[alvarado52]

I feel like Rajon Rondo did pretty well for the Celtics also

didnt light up the score board, but he definitely got key rebounds. He got most of his assists off Allen's hot hand.

[weather vane]

Rondo is fucking unreal.

[alvarado52]

Yea the Celtics aren't going to win another game unless players are breaking records. Rondo sucks because of Game 1 too

not if they keep getting the KG and Paul Pierce they've been getting. Ray literally scored half the Celts points in the first half.