Official RAW Thread for 11/23/09 - Chat's back, bitches.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>So fucking pissed right now. Sheamus got moved to Raw and squashed jobbers solely to be fed to Cena. I just hope he at least has a good showing.</font>

[Ermaximus]

How the hell can they possibly build that up?

Fuck if I know. But it's going to be a the most boring TLC match ever.

[Londoner]

I don't think anyone was expecting the winner of the Battle Royal to beat Cena.

nah, just can't see sheamus v cena making people want to buy the ppv.

[Fabien Barthez]

Isn't this normal booking procedure? Noble, Finlay, PPV main event vs Cena?

[mike adamle]

To be fair Sheamus has really stepped his game up on Raw. Granted he's only basically had squashes, but he had a match with Shelton Benjamin on ECW right after being moved to Raw, and it was probably his best match in the WWE so far, so I'm willing to go with this.

[screech]

UGH Sheamus

[CSL]

lol. People complain about no new stars being made, they do something with Sheamus and yet people are still crying

[RawRocks]

i'd rather see the Geico Gecko over Sheamus in a Title match

[Londoner]

Remember the days of HHH v rock? now we get...

SHEAMUS V CENA, BAH GAWD

[Juan]

Also, you guys are lame. People have been bitching for years that WWE needs to build new stars, and when they finally start, you still find shit to bitch about.

"Sheamus is too white"

:| come on

[Johnny Vegas]

Sheamus is getting a faster push than Brock lol. Definitely would've loved to see a kofi/cena match but that can wait until Wrestlemania :y:

[Juan]

lol. People complain about no new stars being made, they do something with Sheamus and yet people are still crying

Exactly

[The Fraze]

Most innovative, high-flying TLC match in history: Sheamus vs. Cena!

[Ermaximus]

I just hope Taker faces someone worth watching.

[screech]

I'm all for the match because it's a fresh one, I just can't stand Sheamus.

[TheFallenOneX]

Vern Troyer will emerge from Chyna's VA-JAY-JAY

[CSL]

<font color=goldenrod>So fucking pissed right now. Sheamus got moved to Raw and squashed jobbers solely to be fed to Cena. I just hope he at least has a good showing.</font>

Of course he'll have a good showing. He's been booked like a monster the last few weeks and when was the last time somebody got squashed/fed to somebody in a World title match on a PPV?

[Savio]

I feel bad that verne can't get real movies roles anymore

[screech]

I'm all for the match because it's a fresh one, I just can't stand Sheamus.

That doesn't make too much sense reading it again.

What I wanted to say was that I am all for WWE creating new stars, but I honestly don't see what Sheamus brings to the table. I know other people do, but I just don't get it.

[Londoner]

, I just can't stand Sheamus.

Exactly. Sheamus is hardly wwe title material yet.

[jerichoholicninja]

I'm going to guess that at some point between now and TLC Orton is going to injure Shaemus and try and take his spot.

[Emperor Smeat]

lol. People complain about no new stars being made, they do something with Sheamus and yet people are still crying

Its more because it sounds like a throw away feud that probably doesn't last more than a month so they can go back to an Orton/Cena or maybe Kofi/Cena by time of the Rumble.

Sheamus winning did make the battle royale end in a fresh way since it wasn't a predictable winner like an Orton or Kofi.

[RawRocks]

I'm all for the match because it's a fresh one, I just can't stand Sheamus.

:y::y::y:

[ClockShot]

HOLY FUCK. QUIET REACTION FOR CENA!

[Ermaximus]

Also, you guys are lame. People have been bitching for years that WWE needs to build new stars, and when they finally start, you still find shit to bitch about.

"Sheamus is too white"

:| come on
I don't care about his lack of pigmentation as much as I care about the fact that there are several other guys who should get the shot before he does. That's my beef with it.

[Juan]

nah, just can't see sheamus v cena making people want to buy the ppv.

Anyone who's been complaining about the same guys main eventing for the past 3 years should be the ones buying the TLC PPV

[CSL]

Most innovative, high-flying TLC match in history: Sheamus vs. Cena!

The best TLC match in recent history involved Cena, me thinks they'll be fine

[Londoner]

I don't care about his lack of pigmentation as much as I care about the fact that there are several other guys who should get the shot before he does. That's my beef with it.

:y: just aswell i think we'll be getting it free over here, not sure

[Johnny Vegas]

Wow, wwe better never have an event in hershey ever again. They sound like they are at a prayer meeting in there

[Savio]

Is cena having an inner monologue?

[parkmania]

Please beat up Michael Cole!

[Londoner]

same old cena

[Ermaximus]

Honestly does it matter anyways? Cena is just going to bury Sheamus either way. Granted Sheamus will get a great rub from this either way.

[Fabien Barthez]

It's just one extreme to another though... From people who have been main eventing for 10 years to a guy who hasn't even had a push to make him a legit threat.

[CSL]

Its more because it sounds like a throw away feud that probably doesn't last more than a month so they can go back to an Orton/Cena or maybe Kofi/Cena by time of the Rumble.

Which is what it is. Filler before the Mania countdown begins. They get to test the waters with a new guy. Not understanding how people don't get this.

[Londoner]

Reckon im gonna switch to the cricket, fuck cena's boring promo's

[Jannettyzilla]

Dude lost to Goldust.

2009 Goldust.

[TheFallenOneX]

Like him or not Cena does cut a good promo

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Ventura just had a look on his face like "man... this kid is a good promo"

[jerichoholicninja]

I'm enjoying the lighting in the ring.

[Evil Vito]

Of course he'll have a good showing. He's been booked like a monster the last few weeks and when was the last time somebody got squashed/fed to somebody in a World title match on a PPV?

<font color=goldenrod>I seem to remember Kozlov looking fairly crappy when he actually got his World title shot. I might be mistaken though.

I dunno, guess I'd prefer to just have Sheamus have more time...but at least it's fresh. Kinda speaks volumes about depth that he's probably the #3 or so heel on Raw already.</font>

[CSL]

These are the promos Cena should cut all the time. He owns the mic when he goes off on rants instead of pre-school insults

[Ermaximus]

Dude lost to Goldust.

2009 Goldust.

:rofl::rofl:

[Londoner]

Like him or not Cena does cut a good promo

'i don't give up..blah blah blah'

[Juan]

Sometimes I'm glad the WWE doesn't cater to the IWC. Seems like some of you will never be satisfied

[Londoner]

Sometimes I'm glad the WWE doesn't cater to the IWC. Seems like some of you will never be satisfied

I've been praising the show all the way through, have you not been reading ffs? Go back and check the thread if not.

Oh btw, im allowed to have opinions YOU don't agree with.

[CSL]

<font color=goldenrod>I seem to remember Kozlov looking fairly crappy when he actually got his World title shot. I might be mistaken though.

I dunno, guess I'd prefer to just have Sheamus have more time...but at least it's fresh. Kinda speaks volumes about depth that he's probably the #3 or so heel on Raw already.</font>

Kozlov has plenty of offense, the majority. He was just fucking awful. And you know what? WWE realized that and did something about it. Sheamus is light years ahead of Kozlov in the ring.

[Juan]

I've bene praising the show all the way through, have you not been reading ffs?

That's why I said "some of you" not "all of you". Gotta pay attention, mate.

[Savio]

on TLC

[Triple Naitch]

Am I the only guy who likes Sheamus?

[owenbrown]

Wow, Cena is gonna pop a roid vein

[Ermaximus]

Kozlov has plenty of offense, the majority. He was just fucking awful. And you know what? WWE realized that and did something about it. Sheamus is light years ahead of Kozlov in the ring.

Plus he is better on the mic.

[CSL]

'i don't give up..blah blah blah'

'To be the man blah blah blah'

'If ya smell-la-la-la-blah-blah-blah'

'Whatcha gonna do blah blah blah'

'Austin 3:16 says blah blah blah'

[Innovator]

:lol: Ventura

[ClockShot]

VENTURA IS ON TO SOMETHING!

[CSL]

lol is Body gonna semi-'turn' here?

[Emperor Smeat]

Which is what it is. Filler before the Mania countdown begins. They get to test the waters with a new guy. Not understanding how people don't get this.

My only concern is will they treat Sheamus as they did with Miz when it looked like they were pushing him against Cena and then killed it or will this actually start a build up to make Sheamus a better contender down the road.

With the Miz, his push basically ended and only got back during his feud with Morrison.

[parkmania]

Ventura gonna heel turn and make it a 3-way with Orton?

[Londoner]

don't worry crowd, cena will win

[jerichoholicninja]

This lighting is just awesome.

[Juan]

Am I the only guy who likes Sheamus?

No, you're not.

[Londoner]

lol table match, even worse

[parkmania]

Table match, not TLC??? Boring.

[ClockShot]

Awesome.

[Savio]

First ever Table match for a the title?

[Ermaximus]

That makes more sense. A tables match for these 2 seems more on point.

[Juan]

lol, now I remember why I tend to avoid the Raw threads.

PEACE

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That was actually pretty awesome.</font>

[Johnny Vegas]

Lol idk what to think of that promo but I wish they were in MSG

[parkmania]

Mitchell Cole bakc on commentary :(

[Londoner]

Shitty ending for me, enjoyed the rest though.

[Triple Naitch]

So the PPV is actually called TLC: Tables, Ladders, or Chairs?

[rob11]

Small town crowds tend to be weak. I wish they had Raw in MSG multiple times per year.

[CSL]

My only concern is will they treat Sheamus as they did with Miz when it looked like they were pushing him against Cena and then killed it or will this actually start a build up to make Sheamus a better contender down the road.

With the Miz, his push basically ended and only got back during his feud with Morrison.

Yeah but the 2 aren't comparable. Miz and Sheamus have been booked completely differently, just like they should be. Sheamus is made to look like a monster, Miz looked like a pussy. If Sheamus doesn't go full time headliner off the back of this (which I'm 95% sure that he won't) he'll go back to killing bitches in the midcard.

[LuigiD]

as of right now, the Cena-Sheamus match screams epic fail. Lets see what they can build up in a few weeks.

[Schlomey]

I LOVE Sheamus winning this.

Kofi can go on to fuck Randy up in a chairs match & I do suspect that Sheamus will win the title. I also suspect that monkeys will soon fly out my arse.

[screech]

lol, now I remember why I tend to avoid the Raw threads.

PEACE

Because people have different opinions than you?

[Schlomey]

Screech 1 Juan 0

[Fabien Barthez]

Had to have Ventura do his promo because he has nothing to say that is worth listening to. Shame, because the idea is there, but I don't think Seamus is really ready for this, and it will only effect the output at the end of the day.

[Juan]

Because people have different opinions than you?

It's not about opinions. Just the constant bitching is really annoying.

[CSL]

I LOVE Sheamus winning this.

Kofi can go on to fuck Randy up in a chairs match & I do suspect that Sheamus will win the title. I also suspect that monkeys will soon fly out my arse.

No way Sheamus wins the belt 4 months before Mania.

Also peeps, do you know who Sheamus spends most of his time in the gym with?

http://www.comedyblog.merseyblogs.co.uk/Triple-H.jpeg

Conspiracy theories a-go-go

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

CSLi Manning, say what you like but a lot of the time, unlike all the catchphrases you mentioned, Cena tends to fall flat because his bullshit is so forced.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If I was in the WWE I would befriend HHH as soon as humanly possible.

[screech]

Again, I am all for the fresh match. Fuck, it's what everyone has been wanting for a while now.

But seriously, Sheamus? What makes him seem like a legit threat to the title? Throwing a guy who beat an agent one week and booted Lawler the next into a title match isn't really building a star.

[Schlomey]

Had to have Ventura do his promo because he has nothing to say that is worth listening to. Shame, because the idea is there, but I don't think Seamus is really ready for this, and it will only effect the output at the end of the day.

Spot on.

I thought his sudden move to RAW was a bit of a stretch. Now this? Since coming to RAW he has had a couple unimpressive squashes that involved nothing more than punch/kick combos (minus the powerbomb ending of course).


Can he really pull off a main event match on PPV?


I'm excited they are trying new things, which is nice. I'll give this a thumbs up for now...but the build better be hot or it will fail.

[CSL]

CSLi Manning, say what you like but a lot of the time, unlike all the catchphrases you mentioned, Cena tends to fall flat because his bullshit is so forced.

Absoloutely a lot of it falls flat, because most of the time it's childish, 'I don't give up' followed by some kiddy insults. But not when he cuts promos like he did tonight. Which people still pick fault with.

[Juan]

Again, I am all for the fresh match. Fuck, it's what everyone has been wanting for a while now.

But seriously, Sheamus? What makes him seem like a legit threat to the title? Throwing a guy who beat an agent one week and booted Lawler the next into a title match isn't really building a star.

I don't think anyone, smark or casual, really believes that Sheamus has a shot at winning the title. It's more about giving Sheamus the rub and seeing what he can do on the big stage. You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

[screech]

It's good that new guys are stepp...being thrown to the top in this case, but as Fabien said, Sheamus just doesn't seem ready to go big yet. Maybe down the road, but since his move to the red brand he hasn't shown all that much [to me].

[Schlomey]

Screech he has shown that he can throw punches and has an impressive boot kick.


Hall of Fame bound offense.

[Nark Order]

Is the newest IWC fad to hate on Sheamus?

[CSL]

It's good that new guys are stepp...being thrown to the top in this case, but as Fabien said, Sheamus just doesn't seem ready to go big yet. Maybe down the road, but since his move to the red brand he hasn't shown all that much [to me].

For sure, he's just been given the generic monster push 101 but at least they're doing something. The daftest little thing can catch on at anytime in wrestling.

[screech]

I don't think anyone, smark or casual, really believes that Sheamus has a shot at winning the title. It's more about giving Sheamus the rub and seeing what he can do on the big stage. You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

I agree with you, but giving him the rub at this stage seems too early to me. The fact that it is a tables match doesn't really help, either.

My feeling is, if a guy needs to "prove he can hang" it needs to be one on one.

[Juan]

Is the newest IWC fad to hate on Sheamus?

Nah, because even if Kofi had won, there'd be people saying that Kofi has only been pushed for the past 4 weeks or so and isn't ready to main event.

[Juan]

My feeling is, if a guy needs to "prove he can hang" it needs to be one on one.

What better way to prove you can hang than main eventing a throw away PPV?

[Schlomey]

Is the newest IWC fad to hate on Sheamus?

I'm not hating. I"m excited for new things. I just don't think Sheamus has done enough to warrant this rub. If he would have came to RAW and dominated IN GOOD MATCHES that caught peoples attention...sure...but to simply do 2-3 random squashes while showing limited offensive skill scares me. Who would pay 40 bux to watch a squash guy? 1 match doesn't make a man...time does. Umaga is a great case and point here. He started off as a squash guy who went on to give Cena one of the coolest matches he has ever had...but that was after he developed quite a lot.

[screech]

For sure, he's just been given the generic monster push 101 but at least they're doing something. The daftest little thing can catch on at anytime in wrestling.

I will give you that. All Kofi had to do was lose his accent. Before that, no one thought of him as a major player.

I'm willing to give this a shot, but right now my outlook is cloudy.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's something new, who cares.

[screech]

What better way to prove you can hang than main eventing a throw away PPV?

That will help, but does performing in a tables match really show all that much? Worse guys have main-evented (nay, become champions) due to gimmick matches.

[Xero]

Way too early. WAAAAY too early for Sheamus. Sorry, but there are at least four other guys who SHOULD have gone into that spot that I can name off the top of my head. Swagger, Miz, MVP, Morrison. I only exclude Kofi because he's been feuding with Orton.

And why Swagger wasn't in the match to begin with is beyond me. Morrison and Miz I can kind of see since they're current champions.

Pushing Sheamus is fine. Pushing him this far this fast could blow up in their faces.

[Xero]

It's something new, who cares.

A GM hasn't booked themselves into a WWE title match and won it.

How does Verne Troyer: WWE Champion sound? It's new.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Cough JBL Cough

[Schlomey]

I'm glad it wasn't Swagger. He is my hope for the future and when he gets his shot at the title I hope it is NOT against Cena and against a guy like HBK or Jericho instead.

[Fabien Barthez]

Spot on.

I thought his sudden move to RAW was a bit of a stretch. Now this? Since coming to RAW he has had a couple unimpressive squashes that involved nothing more than punch/kick combos (minus the powerbomb ending of course).


Can he really pull off a main event match on PPV?


I'm excited they are trying new things, which is nice. I'll give this a thumbs up for now...but the build better be hot or it will fail.

I have no question about whether he can work a good match. If you knew about Seamus, you would know he is a great worker and has been for years. It is just that he has no personality to sell the match or build interest. He has no past spoken of, no rounded signifiers of his character, he has just come out, fairly generic irish gimmick, few squash matches, few unoriginal angry powerhouse promos and as a result nobody cares about him, and as a result, the match.

And like somebody already said, if he fails, he has been built as unbeatable so he is worthless should he lose. There is only a 3 week build to this PPV. It spells doom for Seamus for at least until after Wrestlemania in my eyes.

[CSL]

Nah, because even if Kofi had won, there'd be people saying that Kofi has only been pushed for the past 4 weeks or so and isn't ready to main event.

Yup. And if Orton had won, there'd be a huge froth-fest. However, if Ted DiBiase had turned face and won the rumble, people would be claiming this to be the greatest episode of RAW of all time, despite it making zero sense whatsoever. Just good old internet logic.

[Juan]

That will help, but does performing in a tables match really show all that much?

Only one way to find out...

[Nark Order]

It's something new, who cares.

This, pretty much. If Sheamus actually won somehow I think the results could only be good, tbh. A new star is created, new main event programs become possible, and maybe it will finally break the "no relying on the new guy" rule that Brock set when he left.

[el bobbo]

Am I the only guy who likes Sheamus?

No.

[CSL]

Pushing Sheamus is fine. Pushing him this far this fast could blow up in their faces.

How? He's been on TV for a few months. He's hardly gonna gain X-Pac heat off the back of one PPV title match. Worst case scenario is people don't give a fuck, Sheamus lays down for Cena and he goes back to being built. Absolute disaster huh.

[screech]

Only one way to find out...

True. I like to remain optimistic, but this is a stretch even for me.

Still, here's hoping.

[Xero]

Or they continue to push him hard with no real crowd reaction or tweaks to the gimmick and they kill off anything they may have had with him.

THAT'S what I see happening.

[Fabien Barthez]

Nah, they are building him as a threat. Not many people have gone from this kind of fast push and lost and made it back to the main event. If he was a new guy trying his hand in the deeper waters, he could handshake after the match, and continue his journey.

He should have had a Goldberg-esque build.

[Johnny Vegas]

so....how about that Kane/Batista fued, eh!

[screech]

so....how about that Kane/Batista fued, eh!

Woohoo!

[CSL]

Well I know I'd damn sure rather see Sheamus wrestling on PPV than Kane

[Xero]

But Batista is just fine...

[CSL]

Yes, he is.

[Nark Order]

Kane makes Batista look like Bret Hart.

[CSL]

Is TRO in that group or is Destor spelt wrong?

[Nark Order]

I just felt 'destro' was more effective. Gut feeling.

[Lock Jaw]

I think Sheamus makes a good "filler contender". Sure, they could have waited a bit, but whatever.

[el bobbo]

So... not as many people here are as pissed as I am that CM Punk doesn't really have anywhere to go?

He lost to Cena, cleanly... who then got beat down by Sheamus. Then Kane and Batista have a grasp on the #1 contender spot for Smackdown.

The whole ordeal just makes Punk look like he's wandering through a sea of shit. That is unless they really want to start a program with him and R-Truth (fuck).

[CSL]

He'll be fine.

[jskinnyg]

Finally something F**ing new... I couldn't agree more with this decision... Nice for Orton & Cena to help get over the other kids... Sheamus might pull it off... Cena did 7 years ago with the US title... This is how they pushed Cena in the beginning...

[CWK]

Mark my words........

Sheamus is going to fuck Cena up.

[CWK]

Besides the contract signing with Cena/Sheamus at the end, what about the fucking promo that The Body cut on Vince backstage?! When Jesse said "You may be a billionaire, but you know what the budget of Minnesota was? 32 Billion dollars, thats what I was in charge of Vince, so I could come in here and run your little pip-squeak operation", I marked the fuck out, said FUCK YES! and stood up and applauded. Wrestling needs promos like that, greatness.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty much everything Ventura said tonight was gold.

[el bobbo]

I really hope Sheamus wins at TLC. It would be something unpredictable (much like all of Raw tonight). I really want to see where the creative team is going with this.

Did anyone else hear the "Cena Sucks" chants tonight?

[CWK]

It was a different feeling with RAW tonight, what a great show. New stars being made. I think we will look back on this RAW five years from now and say that this particular show was the turning point for several wrestlers. Particularly Sheamus.

[CWK]

I think Sheamus has an excellent chance at winning at TLC, then dropping the belt at Royal Rumble or Elimination Chamber in February.

Since Triple H even says that he works out with Sheamus on the road, thats a huge advantage for Sheamus O'Shaughnessey.

[el bobbo]

After watching the Divas segment, I really wish that Maryse was in porno and not wrestling. I think her talents are being under-utilized.

I mean, I'm not even asking for the hardcore shit. Just some simple softcore scenes of her on Twisty's or the like would really be a big deal for me.

(Glad to have her back on Raw though)

[CWK]

If we are talking about divas that I wish was in porno....

In TNA, Velvet Sky HANDS FUCKING DOWN, no one hotter.

In WWE, Melina... gawd. Those splits and that big wide mouth.

What about Awesome Kong? I think she could find her niche in the BBW ebony porn. Picture her saying in that soft ghetto voice "Yeah thats it baby, yeah give it to momma I can't take no mo' uh dat shit."

Gosh its hot in here.

[Skippord]

I love Sheamus

anyway who else in that battle royal should have won over Sheamus, people who are bitching about it?

[#1-norm-fan]

Wow. That was an AMAZING Raw.

[el bobbo]

I love Sheamus

anyway who else in that battle royal should have won over Sheamus, people who are bitching about it?

After Orton won his match I just knew it would be him or Kofi. I'm really glad they had Sheamus win it. This gives Kofi and Orton a chance to build a good damn fued and it gives a breath of fresh air the WWE Title scene.

And I hope Sheamus wins it just to fuck with people and deliver something new.

[el bobbo]

But we'll probably get an "FU" through the table...

or better yet, a "Super FU" through the table.

[CWK]

Sheamus clobbered the hell out of Kofi when he eliminated him in the battle royal tonight.

Also funny to hear Jesse Ventura crack on Sheamus' skin saying that his skin never saw the sun before, hilarious shit.

[CWK]

Jesse "The Body" Ventura has been the greatest RAW guest host yet, by a mile.

[Skippord]

clearly someone didn't see ZZ Top

[redoneja]

Good Raw. I think there is a good chance Jerishow/DX will main event the next PPV, instead of either title match. Especially since it's TLC.

[el bobbo]

clearly someone didn't see ZZ Top

Ha! Were they even on the show? Or was it all pre-taped segments?

That Santino bit was one of the best. All he really wants is for women to be in their place and cook him Thanksgiving Dinner. What's wrong with that?

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm hoping for a Sheamus win at TLC next month, but not holding my breath, especially since they went to all the trouble of having a contract signing literally immediately after Sheamus had won the Battle Royal, and then to have Sheamus sneak attack Cena and put him through a table right before Ventura conveniently notifies Cena, Sheamus and everyone else in the building that the match is a tables match?

Not bitching, mind you, just saying it's one of those stupid things that with what happened tonight will be hyped as "ZOMG! CENA NEEDS TO OVERCOME THE ODDS!!!11!!!! FOR THE 98 BILLIONTH TIME, BUT WILL HE?" No matter who he faces, it's always just the same ol' shit with Cena retaining every 3 weeks or so, as Ventura said, and Kudos to the former Minnesota governor for manning up and finally being the one to tell Cena off to his face, even if it was to set up Sheamus' sneak attack.

[Schlomey]

I forgot it was a 3 hour RAW and tuned in to see CM Punk getting the 5 moves of death by Cena. I wish I would have seen that match in it's completion! I really dug the top rope FU.

[DaveBrawl]

Cena's hat and shirt made him look like a giant can of NOS energy drink.

http://www.nacd.net/images/foodsilverweb.jpg

[Schlomey]

hahhaa good observation sir.

[RatedGSuperstar]

So... not as many people here are as pissed as I am that CM Punk doesn't really have anywhere to go?

He lost to Cena, cleanly... who then got beat down by Sheamus. Then Kane and Batista have a grasp on the #1 contender spot for Smackdown.

The whole ordeal just makes Punk look like he's wandering through a sea of shit. That is unless they really want to start a program with him and R-Truth (fuck).

Punk was allowed to counter out of a couple different FU attempts before Cena finally resorted to the second-rope FU. He was even allowed to grab the ropes on the STFU. He was allowed to taunt Cena and dominate him at points during the match. It was far from a burial.

As for him not being in the World title picture right now, it should probably be expected. He's coming off two high-profile feuds for the title with Jeff Hardy and the Undertaker. Between the Edge injury and Batista's turn on Rey, he was being booked as the top heel on SmackDown, and probably the second biggest heel in the company behind Randy Orton.

I don't have a problem with the company using Punk in an attempt to get someone else over. I do have problems with who they've chosen for the rub, but it's not like Punk's never going to sniff a World title again. He'll be one of the last few eliminated in the Royal Rumble and the Elimination Chamber, if not holding a title by the time WrestleMania rolls around (I'd rather see an Edge/Jericho feud for the title by then, but that's a different thread).

[NeanderCarl]

Having watched that, I wish WWE would pay whatever it takes to get Ventura back full-time as a colour announcer.

Unlike most older guys who came back (case in point, Roddy Piper last week) 'The Body' wasn't rambling and incoherant, didn't struggle to recapture his old magical verbal form, didn't come across as a shell of his former self... the guy is still as sharp and entertaining as ever.

He was clearly a little lost with regards to the current product and the wrestlers, but that was to be expected. If he did that well with basic pointers, he'd be as good as ever if he was there every week getting familiar with the storylines and characters.

Vince, on the other hand, has lost it. There were flashes of his former self but he seemed unprepared, confused and disinterested.

[Schlomey]

SHUT UP MONSOON was cooler than SHUT UP MCMAHON.

[NeanderCarl]

I don't remember Jesse ever saying "shut up Monsoon"; he always respected Monsoon on the mic, it was Vince he used to ride.

[Schlomey]

I stand corrected. I should have said...Man, his time with Monsoon was tons better than with Vince. Vinny sucked bad last night and embarrassed himself at times.

[Droford]

I had this day dream at work.

They should re-do Sheamus' theme to a the tune of Garth Brooks' Shameless.

"Well Im SHEAMUS!"

[Juan]

Slow day at work?

[Droford]

Slow day at work?

14 hours doesn't exactly just zip by..

[parkmania]

I had this day dream at work.

They should re-do Sheamus' theme to a the tune of Garth Brooks' Shameless.

"Well Im SHEAMUS!"

Billy Joel recorded that song 10 years before Garth.



I'm just saying.

[The Mackem]

Going to see if I can catch this somewhere. Always loved Ventura, especially on commentary.