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Old 06-15-2008, 03:06 PM   #1
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So if Foley wasn't supposed to fall through the top of the cell
how were they supposed to get down?


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Old 06-15-2008, 03:24 PM   #2
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Foley only climbed back up because Taker was still up there and Foley was concussed and raging with adrenaline?

Well, either that, or both bumps were planned and that's why the section of the cage roof was rigged to fall open on hinges.
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It wasn't planned.
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yea, Foley and Taker never planned on even going up. It was pretty much ad-libed
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yea, Foley and Taker never planned on even going up. It was pretty much ad-libed
Which is why Terry Funk has continually taken credit for coming up with the idea for the bump the day before, and telling Foley about it? Or how about the fact that Foley has recounted several times how the Undertaker tried to convince him not to go through with it before the match?

There's never been any real doubt that the bump was planned. It is the mysterious second bump which is often disputed ('was it planned or an accident?). I say it was set up, but then I don't know.
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Which is why Terry Funk has continually taken credit for coming up with the idea for the bump the day before, and telling Foley about it?
I invented the internet. See how easy that is?

While I'm at it, I am responsible for the Attitude Era, I created ECW but gave credit to Paul Heyman (Mostly because he let me use his basement) I put the needle in Benoit's arm, and I actually bought Nick Hogan's beer.

Now, I'd address the rest, but the notion that Foley has said Taker tried to dissuade him is a new one to me.
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While I'm at it, I am responsible for the Attitude Era, I created ECW but gave credit to Paul Heyman (Mostly because he let me use his basement) I put the needle in Benoit's arm, and I actually bought Nick Hogan's beer.

Now, I'd address the rest, but the notion that Foley has said Taker tried to dissuade him is a new one to me.
Yeah, well I screwed Bret. I win.
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Now, I'd address the rest, but the notion that Foley has said Taker tried to dissuade him is a new one to me.
Pretty sure that was in his first book. I've definitely read Foley saying that a couple times, can't be 100% sure where exactly, but Have A Nice Day sounds about right.
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yea, Foley and Taker never planned on even going up. It was pretty much ad-libed
Wasn't Taker already half way down the cage when Foley was getting off the stretcher?
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:40 AM   #10
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yea, Foley and Taker never planned on even going up. It was pretty much ad-libed

Foley and Taker agreed that to top the original hell in a cell match, a good way to start it would be on the top of the cage, and also with a huge spot. The start was planned with him throwing Foley off the top. It then would have wound up in the cell or whatever.

However, as we know that first fall was a lot further than they thought it would be, and he landed badly. After being knocked out, he impulsively went back up there to restart the match up on top where it was supposed to start.

As you could see early on, the roof of the cage wasn't supporting the weight of the two sizely men. The cell had never been traveled to the top of, so it wasn't engineered for that. They had no clue it would be so vulnerable. As you can see a few times they almost go through on their own weight and begin to use careful footing on the structural beams instead of the chainlink panels.

The chokeslam, which was pretty dumb of them (especially the conscious taker) knowing the weakness of the cell just from their own weight, naturally broke the cage material and he fell unexpectedly to the mat.

And in response to whoever said it was rigged with hinges, you are wrong. The future hell in a cells that used the same spot were hinged. This one was purely an accident, and as you can see the cage rips and doesnt do so very neatly.
It appears the cage was attached to the structure with twist ties, probably metal ones.
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The cell had never been traveled to the top of, so it wasn't engineered for that.
Firstly, this was only the second Hell In A Cell match anyway. And secondly, Taker and HBK battled atop the cage during the first one, so you're wrong on that count.
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Climbing down?
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Old 06-15-2008, 04:55 PM   #13
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Climbing down?
If they were just going to climb down without having another bump planned, how would they have made it believable?

Not trying to be sarcastic here. I can't think of a scenario where they would both climb down without someone taking a bump and make it look like part of the match.
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I mean come on, people have actually climbed down in matches before. It's like asking "If JFK didn't plan to be shot, how else was he going to end his car ride?"
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Foley admitted himself that it was Funk's idea in an interview with Power Slam in the UK which is a reputable magazine which doesn't embellish or kayfabe its material.
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The first one was planned, and Foley had talked about going up to the top with Taker to start it off before the PPV. It's all in his book.

The second fall wasn't planned. The cage actually did break away and Undertaker really did think that Foley was dead.
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I swear I read somewhere or even heard Foley say he got the idea to start at the top when he came down the isle and Taker had no choice but to follow him up. Then when they were up there Foley told Taker to toss him. I think it's on that DVD. I'll have to rewatch now
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I swear I read somewhere or even heard Foley say he got the idea to start at the top when he came down the isle and Taker had no choice but to follow him up. Then when they were up there Foley told Taker to toss him. I think it's on that DVD. I'll have to rewatch now
He's said it a couple of times, and I think I have it on DVD myself. Though he did spend a lot of time concussed.
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If the cage had held after Taker had chokeslammed Foley, he could have climbed down and worked the crowd a bit, gone inside the cage and maybe tossed the steps into the ring or tossed some chairs in or even just paced around with his hands on his hips. Or maybe start to walk away like even he couldn't believe how ridiculous Mick Foley was while he climbed down then they meet back up in the ring.
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Chris Benoit wasnt suppose to kill Daniel
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Yes he was. Hitler took credit for giving him the idea in "Mein Kampf"
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ok, now that I think about it, I'm sure he said he talked to Terry Funk beforehand about starting on top. That's on the DVD. but I don't think he told Taker about it. And I'm sure he mentioned he wispered to Taker to throw him off when they were up there
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I think he would have gotten down from the top of the cell by climbing down.
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Old 06-15-2008, 05:13 PM   #27
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I don't believe for a second that the second bump wasn't planned
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Taker had a broken foot going into that match. Plus he's THE veteran of the WWE and I'd wager calls and lays out the majority of his matches, most likely ALL of them.

Foley - in 1998, or ever in fact - didn't have the clout to go over Taker's head and force the guy into that situation without clearing it with him first. How was he to even know if Taker could physically climb the cage with his broken foot?
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I'm just saying what Foley said, that's all. I'll post it later when I get home
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i'm far from an expert on this stuff, but I recall Foley said the first was planned and claims the 2nd wasn't that the section of the cage "gave way" but there was also speculation he was lieing because his wife flipped out over the 2 bumps and wanted to assure her the 2nd one wasn't planned.
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In Foleys first book doesn't he say how he had the idea on how to start the match and spoke to Taker about it and was told by him that he was insane but eventually went through with it anyway.
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I always laugh when I see Taker drop down from the cell into the ring after Foley's 2nd bump. You can just tell Taker is thinking for a second "FUCK why did I do that when I have a broken foot?"
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From my memory it went something like this (from various interviews and Foley's books):

Terry Funk and Foley were in the ring coming up with ideas for the match on the Saturday at the arena. Funk told Foley he had to come up with something huge to top the awesome HBK-Taker HIAC from the previous October. He then suggested starting the match on top of the cage, and (perhaps jokingly) suggested taking a bump off the top. Foley, I believe, shot it down but later started seriously considering it.

The next day he told the Taker, who refused to do it. With Foley nagging him, he must have eventually agreed to it.

Who really knows about the second bump, it does seem unneccesarily dangerous and uncontrollable, but also that panel gave way far too easily.
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...but also that panel gave way far too easily.
Uh huh. Not to mention Foley practically deadweighting the 2nd worst looking chokeslam ever and the hinges on that specific part of the cell. The only part unplanned in that spot was Foley getting his teeth smashed in by the chair that followed him down
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The only part unplanned in that spot was Foley getting his teeth smashed in by the chair that followed him down
No that was planned too.
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From my memory it went something like this (from various interviews and Foley's books):

Terry Funk and Foley were in the ring coming up with ideas for the match on the Saturday at the arena. Funk told Foley he had to come up with something huge to top the awesome HBK-Taker HIAC from the previous October. He then suggested starting the match on top of the cage, and (perhaps jokingly) suggested taking a bump off the top. Foley, I believe, shot it down but later started seriously considering it.

The next day he told the Taker, who refused to do it. With Foley nagging him, he must have eventually agreed to it.

Who really knows about the second bump, it does seem unneccesarily dangerous and uncontrollable, but also that panel gave way far too easily.
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Not disagreeing with you but earlier in the match the two were walking on the top of the cell and Taker's foot broke through part of the cage without any extra force. So I dunno.
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and comparing this bump to the bump with Triple H that was obviously planned with maximum safety in mind
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Well if the second bump was planned, u'd think taker would've moved the chair outta the way first, too much of a risk to leave it on there knowing Foley was going 16 feet into the ring on top of it with such velocity, doesn't seem smart to me.
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Foley says in his book and on one of his VHS's that the throw off the cage was planned as an attempt to top the HBK fall.
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