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UFC runs a better wrestling company than the wwe does
Think about it... at most, 2 shows a month and 80 per cent of the shows are very good- excellent.
The build up to the big fights is usually about 5 months. The results actually mean something. When someone goes over the top and goes apeshit (see Brock Lesnar and Dan Henderson this past saturday) it actually means something because people don't see it every single fucking week. When guys actually have a feud, people really care about it, there is actual emotional investment. Again, look at Bisping vs. Henderson, the young cocky upstart running his mouth against the aging, much respected veteran who people were questioning. The way the fight ended was definitive and unpredictable. If you want to see heat about something go into the mma forum and see how much people are going nuts about the controversy. There's drug tests after every fight. There's bonuses for submission, ko and fight of the night. There's insentive to perform. It doesn't matter if you're the top guy, you can get knocked off at any point, one punch changes everything. Big signings actually mean something, because they can actually succeed because it's really up to them how they do. Most importantly, MMA holds the inpredictability wrestling so desperately craves. Essentially mma pretty much nabbed the attitude demographic, the demographic that craved the in your face unpredictability that wrestling used to offer. The undercard fights actually mean something as well. Every fight has implications one way or another, there's never a throwaway fight. Vince needs to start taking notes. Team Toxic 4 lyfe |
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You know that’s right
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Plus they have Joe Rogan.
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Listen to Killer Mike
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b/c 5 is better than 4
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I dont think the two are that comparable. The UFC can do what they do because the competitions are real. The emotions for the most part are real.
WWE is entertainment. |
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You are right on one thing though. They aren't comparable. UFC absolutely kicks their arses on PPV and that's where the money is made. UFC can break the 1 million buys barrier on PPV and WWE never will even if they add every international buy they can. |
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#7 |
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There are still similar platforms. As Dave Meltzer said, you are still selling characters. People wouldn't care about chuck lidell if he wasn't the ice man. People wouldn't care about Brock if he wasn't a wild card, rabid animal. People wouldnt care about Rampage if he wasn't a wisecracking negro.
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#8 |
Listen to Killer Mike
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The main difference is MMA is a an actual combat sport while WWE is a staged exhibition..
You ever heard the saying "you couldn't make this stuff up", well that right there is why WWE will never have the emotion and unpredictability that UFC does.. Plus, Joe Silva (UFC's head match maker) knows the sport through and through so that's why you get so many great match-up.. |
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UFC is kicking their ass in ppvs because they are building compelling fights that mostly deliver. And they build their fighters well and they build their fights well. It's not EXACTLY the same thing, they just have similar platforms. If WWE managed to make everything mean something like everything means something in the ufc, and made things unpredictable like it used to be, they'd be way better off. I mean right now they don't need to since they're the only show in town and running a successful business, but still, for the sake of the viewer. Just because it's scripted does not mean it has to be lame and predictable. |
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Listen to Killer Mike
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Bottom line is, WWE will never be what UFC is.. Just step way from the darkside and into the light.. I did as soon as WWE acquired ECW (IMO the greatest prowrestling promotion of all time) and made it garbage..
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No.
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Also this belongs in the MMA subforum.
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You can't teach that
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Listen to Killer Mike
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Listen to Killer Mike
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Over Like Rover
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Listen to Killer Mike
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This is exhibit A for why people, and most people on TPWW, think wrestling fans are a bunch of retards. Last edited by Juan; 07-19-2009 at 04:14 AM. |
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#20 |
Listen to Killer Mike
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Last of a Dying Forum
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Also, still a Subforum.
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Now get back in your boat and out of my forum.
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#24 |
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WWE will never be as good as ufc that's for damned sure.
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lol tho I must say I like wrestling when it is at it's best... so I don't understand when pro wrestling fans get all butt hurt over comparisons to MMA.
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Tacos!
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Dale is on the mark here. UFC successfully marketed to the disregarded attitude era types and gave them something real, flashy and most importantly exciting. As a wrestling fan for a long time, I definitely find that UFC gives me what Vince doesn't. |
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I watch both, But Dale and Krispix are totally right. Funny thing is, it's not like MMA just showed up one day and took WWE's audience. The 'E has been doing everything it can to kill its own product for years. It all started with the botched Invasion, then super saiyan HHH for years, Randy Orton's premature title reign, putting a stop to Paul Heyman's great booking, the watering down of Cena, etc, etc and here we are in 2009. MMA went from human cockfighting to a legit sport with a HUGE worldwide following and WWE is for kids again.
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#28 |
boop/bop/beep
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Especially considering most who post on this forum don't like the current product... and most who watch the ufc who aren't total marks for "pure mma" (ie. huge homos) love the ufc.
You'll find more fans of mma satisfied with the ufc than you will of pro wrestling fans satisfied with the wwe. |
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#29 |
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lol my favourite thing the IWC believes is that Brock was foolish to walk away from wrestling because he couldn't handle it. LOL he's a thousand times more famous and more respected now than if he stuck with wwe.
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#30 |
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If Brock was in the WWE stll he wouldn't be highlighted on ESPN....
But anyways, it's like the ufc is a pro wrestling company (because they have such a similar platform other than real meaningful results) but with an air of actual legitimacy. If WWE actually tried to figure a way to make itself come off as legit (and there are ways) it would be such a better product. |
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#32 |
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Blading isnt allowed anymore, they are getting everything censored, so realism isnt their thing, its mostly stories and acrobatics, and they are making money so good for them
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#34 | |
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But I can see your mind is already made up so have a good one buddy. Keep watching John Cena pander to 8 year olds and enjoy yourslef ![]() |
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Your wishing for better, more compelling angles, not realism. Which is what most fans complain about.
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And this is a wrestling topic, because I want WWE to take notes from UFC on how to run a superior product. MMA is so much like wrestling it is ridiculous. |
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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It's like you're telling 7up to take marketing advice from Jack Daniels, while you have no legitimate experience marketing beverages. While they do have some similarities, it's still apples and oranges.
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I would compare it to Labatt taking advice from Jack Daniels. Beer and hard liquor, they aren't exactly the same but they have many, many similarities. Namely, they both get you wasted. Also, since you're completely out to lunch I guess I should let you know, MMA's deepest roots are from pro wrestling. Listen to the Bill Simmons podcast with Dave Meltzer. Though I guess you know more than him as well. |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Pro Wrestling and UFC, like it or not, largely have the same audience. WWE still trumpets their appeal in the adult male category, because that's their core audience, even if it's no longer their target audience. I know this whole thing asks you to go beyond your childish sense of "self-entitlement=reality," but try for a moment. The platforms, while "different" in your own estimation, can benefit greatly from one another, or in this case, one can benefit greatly from the success of the other. Just because one is an actual sport, and the other is for guys who aren't ready to come out of the closet does not mean that lessons learned from one cannot be applied to the other. This has already been covered in this thread, to which the only rebuttals you seem to be able to offer break down into "that's different, damn it!" Which really isn't true. Not in any meaningful sense. |
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* WrestleMania – 970,000 * Backlash – 185,000 * Judgment Day – 235,000 Last edited by Kris P Lettus; 07-17-2009 at 01:46 PM. |
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