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Old 09-29-2011, 05:22 PM   #41
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Black bandana? Check. Eye patch? Check. Sleeveless jean shirt (tucked into jeans)? Check. Clashing belt? Check.

Bret had to play a character. Hulk Hogan was Hulk Hogan no matter what the script, scene or weather called for. And for that reason, Bret will always be a tier below whatever tier Hogan is on.
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Internationally 10, in the U.S 7.

Bret's not as big a star as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Sting, Savage.

He's a second tier level star. Bret thinks he's up there with Hogan and Austin, but he's not. Reason: mediocre at best on the mic.

I'd put him on the level with Nash in terms of drawing power. Obviously he's a better in ring worker, but what big gate has Bret ever drawn in the U.S? The WWF was losing badly to WCW when he was main eventing, and the switch from Gee golly shucks Bret to the Attitude era after Bret left for WCW boosted WWF and sunk WCW when Bret was there. Half of Bret's problem was Bret being booked poorly in WCW. but the other half was Bret just not being that big of draw in the U.S, which hurt Bret because WCW for the most part stayed in the U.S as opposed to WWF where Bret draw big numbers in Canada and England.
Kevin Nash was one of the worst drawing champions in WWE history, domestically or internationally.

Bret Hart was a big draw internationally but within the US, he wasn't much of a draw. But he was still WWE's biggest draw for a few years.

Hogan, Austin, The Rock, Flair, Savage are all on a level Bret Hart.

I'd put Bret Hart in the same league as HBK, but he was always a bigger draw than HBK, but I don't know if it's a big enough difference for him to be considered in a tier above him.
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:47 PM   #44
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7-8 range for today and around 8-9 in terms of actual in-ring skills compared to most main event quality wrestlers. The whole US vs Canada feud during the mid to late 1990s ended up hurting his marketability in the US but same could be said of HBK in Canada during the time.

10 during his era in the WWF regardless how low or bad the WWF was because he fit perfectly against the more show-boating style of HBK.

He still is worthy of 2nd tier star status after all the really big names but HBK moved into 1st tier due to a longer career and after his return back to wrestling.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:03 PM   #45
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I have never met an american non-wrestling fan who knows who Bret is. The question is "how big of a star was he?" not "how good of a wrestler/performer do you think he was?"

That being said...in the U.S. he's a 6.
Canada he's a 9.5.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:09 PM   #46
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Bret was great in the ring and able to get over pretty well so I'd say 7 maybe an 8 at certain points in his career, but by no means was he EVER at the level of Hogan or any of the others listed.
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Yeah, I'm sure you have talked to soooooooo many non-wrestling fans about Bret Hart.

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well, if you didn't watch wrestling would you know who he is?
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For Christ's sake! I said this on the first page, but he was in the Simpsons!!! He wouldn't have appeared in The Simpsons if they didn't think people wouldn't know who he was. That should tell you all you need to know about how big of a draw he was back in the 90's.
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well, if you didn't watch wrestling would you know who he is?


How the fuck would I know? I've watched wrestling my whole life.
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ABT CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!
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For Christ's sake! I said this on the first page, but he was in the Simpsons!!! He wouldn't have appeared in The Simpsons if they didn't think people wouldn't know who he was. That should tell you all you need to know about how big of a draw he was back in the 90's.
Bret wasn't a huge draw then. Pro wrestling as a whole was a draw.
Bret just happened to be one of the top guys at the time.
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Bret Hart is serious business. He's the greasy Canadian father I never wanted.
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Which goes back to what I originally said. Bret was the top guy at the lowest time. But even at it's lowest time, WWF was still a world-wide company, therefore people knew who Bret Hart was.

Otherwise Hogan would have been in the Simpsons, probably jobbing everyone out.
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Bret wasn't a huge draw then. Pro wrestling as a whole was a draw.
Bret just happened to be one of the top guys at the time.
But why was wrestling so big? Because Bret Hart was the shit, that's why.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:33 PM   #57
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Kevin Nash was one of the worst drawing champions in WWE history, domestically or internationally.

Bret Hart was a big draw internationally but within the US, he wasn't much of a draw. But he was still WWE's biggest draw for a few years.

Hogan, Austin, The Rock, Flair, Savage are all on a level Bret Hart.

I'd put Bret Hart in the same league as HBK, but he was always a bigger draw than HBK, but I don't know if it's a big enough difference for him to be considered in a tier above him.
lol Bret wasn't a bigger draw than HBK
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I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.
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I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.
Yeah, he still dress like it is the 90's, but I here that is the style in Canada.
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I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.
LITTLE KNOWN FACT: Those were the actual shorts being worn by 50 Cent when he was shot nine times.
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Or Nash Bridges.

Lonesome Dove is the highest grossing television series of our lifetime, and Bret's appearance were the all-time highest rated with a whopping 56.1 rating. Hard to believe, I know.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:58 PM   #70
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:19 PM   #71
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lol Bret wasn't a bigger draw than HBK
I don't know about post-2002, but in the mid 90s, Bret was definitely a bigger draw than HBK. There is no denying that. When HBK was champion in 1996 and Bret was off TV, that's when many people started watching WCW. Of course, a lot of this can also be attributed to the NWO starting up around then, but HBK's girly gimmick turned off many male viewers, which is WWE's target audience.
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:33 PM   #72
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Kevin Nash was one of the worst drawing champions in WWE history, domestically or internationally.



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Old 09-29-2011, 07:34 PM   #73
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Or Nash Bridges.

Lonesome Dove is the highest grossing television series of our lifetime, and Bret's appearance were the all-time highest rated with a whopping 56.1 rating. Hard to believe, I know.
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bet you're feeling pretty bastard stupid right now
Imagine if he had been on Spike!
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:43 PM   #74
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Most of us are capable of recognising this but we can also spot HBK's far greater contribution to what became the Attitude Era as well as the levels of performance that Shawn Michaels achieved post back injury.
Bret helped make Austin into the Austin everyone knows, Bret played a big role in the initial HBK/DX thing.

Anyway post 2002 sure fine, but Bret's head was jello by then. But before then Bret and HBK were both on top during the exact same era.

And here's the big thing Bret Hart is probably one of the biggest international draws of all time.
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Bret helped make Austin into the Austin everyone knows, Bret played a big role in the initial HBK/DX thing.
DX would have happened regardless of who was there or whoever HBK was feuding with.

You're perfectly right in saying that Bret played his part in the development of Austin but I would rank the 96 KOTR promo and the first Stunner on Vince as being of far greater importance in shaping the man who became Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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DX would have happened regardless of who was there or whoever HBK was feuding with.

You're perfectly right in saying that Bret played his part in the development of Austin but I would rank the 96 KOTR promo and the first Stunner on Vince as being of far greater importance in shaping the man who became Stone Cold Steve Austin.
The DX thing was somewhat of a direct response to what Bret was doing at the time. Would it have come out anyway, maybe but Bret played a role.

To be fair I think the only real thing either HBK or Bret played in setting the tone for the Attitude Era was Montreal. Bret was out of the picture by the end of 97 amd HBK was gone only a few months later. Then it was Austin/Rock/HHH's DX (The DX most people are going to remember more IMO)/McMahon from there on in.
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Curious about where all this knowledge about drawing power is coming from.

I give him 8. And it's all from his wrestling. I can't give him a 10. He is the only wrestler I would rate this high on wrestling skills alone. I would give him a 9 if he weren't the victim of some unfortunate circumstances. When wrestling evolves beyond you, it does you no favors to go to a company who drops the ball with you, have your family start dropping dead and have career-ending strokes. Had Hart more time, he might have surprised people and been able to evolve himself. But nobody knows now.

I save the tens for those who are the performers, the ones who can ignite the crowd and use the ability to create drama. Although a lot of these tens are great wrestlers, some of them aren't; moreover, none of them were as good as Bret in the ring. In his league, yes, plenty were. But none as good.
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He's an easy 9.5 for when he was in his prime.
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