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Old 10-13-2015, 11:22 AM   #281
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I don't listen to any wrestling podcast at the moment and have given up because I don't see these stories going anywhere nothing is really attractive to me about the product. I do enjoy watching lesnar wrestle but no interested in seeing him fight Big Show for the 30th time or Taker again. He should be destroying Taker, nothing short of that.

I didn't watch tonight did Cesaro continue his program with Big Show?


Don't know, didn't make it far into RAW before I looked at myself and got up from the couch to go do something meaningful with my life. Starting to dread how much WrestleMania is going to suck if they don't turn the ship around
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:56 AM   #282
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:57 AM   #283
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I guess it's great to have painfully low expectations.
Maybe. I enjoy talking to you guys .
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:04 PM   #284
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Also it's perfectly fine that you enjoy the product, it's the fact that you feel the need to attack our stance and opinion and completely generalize that makes you a cast off.

For instance, I'd say Anybody Thrilla as a whole LOVES the product, sure he throws in random jibes at it, but he generally is quite positive. Yet, we don't have these absolutely ridiculous arguments with him. You come off as some kind of robot. You don't really pay attention to what we're actually saying, you just say we read Dave Meltzer. I assure you, 90 per cent of the posters here don't read f4w, nor do they like Dave Meltzer. He's actually a bit irritating.
You got it twisted.

I defend, I don't attack.

I just point out the absurdity of claiming to dislike something yet spend valuable resources on it week after week.

If you go back since I made my triumphant return, I got blasted for saying I feel the product is good. And that most of the problems today lie not with the writing and booking but instead with the talent who are inferior to that of yesteryear.

Also was also vehimantly attacked for my stance of the Daniel Bryan Yes Movement that WWE cultivated.

It doesn't bother me because i enjoy a good debate. But don't pretend like I'm the aggressor.
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:07 PM   #285
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:14 PM   #287
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You got it twisted.

I defend, I don't attack.

I just point out the absurdity of claiming to dislike something yet spend valuable resources on it week after week.
I have stopped watching.
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If you go back since I made my triumphant return, I got blasted for saying I feel the product is good. And that most of the problems today lie not with the writing and booking but instead with the talent who are inferior to that of yesteryear.
I agree, not many people are good on the Mic at all. I think this comes from many wrestlers just letting the writers write for them.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:15 PM   #288
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:34 PM   #289
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Cynick you are a passive aggressor. Which is worse. Lol how were you attacked? Just because you spew nonsense and cast aspersions and people call you on it does not make you the victim.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:38 PM   #290
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I have stopped watching.
I agree, not many people are good on the Mic at all. I think this come from many wrestlers just letting the writers write for them.
Same here. I mentioned this in another thread but I rarely watch anymore, like once every 2-3 months and even then I don't watch the whole episode of RAW. I haven't seen anything that has gotten me remotely interested to tune in the following week or even the next PPV/event and I've been a fan for 25+ years, half of that as an adult.
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:36 PM   #291
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Cynick you are a passive aggressor. Which is worse. Lol how were you attacked? Just because you spew nonsense and cast aspersions and people call you on it does not make you the victim.
You said I attack. Which is incorrect.

I'm a victim of having the truth on my side.
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You said I attack. Which is incorrect.

I'm a victim of having the truth on my side.
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:47 PM   #293
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I have stopped watching.
I agree, not many people are good on the Mic at all. I think this come from many wrestlers just letting the writers write for them.
I agree. Which is why I blame the talent today. A lot fewer guys today seem willing to bring their own ideas to the table.
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:56 PM   #294
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What do you base that assertion on?
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:07 PM   #295
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Well I've heard some guys like Vince and Triple H do interviews where they say guys will receive scripts and say "this sucks" but not have any alternative suggestions.

Then you hear talent talk about how everything is so scripted (usually only when they leave), but then I remember watching an interview with Bray where he basically says only he can write for himself. And since Bray's promos are unique, it makes me think most guys just take what is handed to them.

Whereas all the top stars from the late 90s talk about how they would be given something, and massage it to best fit their character.

Put it this way. I feel like Steve Austin had a better handle on who Stone Cold was than a guy like Cesaro does his own character.
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Well I've heard some guys like Vince and Triple H do interviews where they say guys will receive scripts and say "this sucks" but not have any alternative suggestions.

Then you hear talent talk about how everything is so scripted (usually only when they leave), but then I remember watching an interview with Bray where he basically says only he can write for himself. And since Bray's promos are unique, it makes me think most guys just take what is handed to them.

Whereas all the top stars from the late 90s talk about how they would be given something, and massage it to best fit their character.

Put it this way. I feel like Steve Austin had a better handle on who Stone Cold was than a guy like Cesaro does his own character.
I don't doubt that's true for a lot of the superstars who just want to show up and get a paycheck essentially.

That being said, I think there's also probably quite a few guys who do bring their own ideas to the table but everything has to get approval from Vince. Then, either Vince doesn't like their ideas and shoots them down or changes them so much that they become the shitty product that we see.

On the other hand you could also have a CM Punk scenario where you bring may be bringing him golden ideas but if you're not in the main event, he doesn't care about your story line or character development so he just shoots down your ideas. The result being, whether intentional or not, talent doesn't get to explore or have any freedom creatively to stand out or become bigger stars.

How in the blue hell, exactly, is a guy supposed to grow, develop or step up and "grab the brass ring" in that type of environment?
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I don't doubt that's true for a lot of the superstars who just want to show up and get a paycheck essentially.

That being said, I think there's also probably quite a few guys who do bring their own ideas to the table but everything has to get approval from Vince. Then, either Vince doesn't like their ideas and shoots them down or changes them so much that they become the shitty product that we see.

On the other hand you could also have a CM Punk scenario where you bring may be bringing him golden ideas but if you're not in the main event, he doesn't care about your story line or character development so he just shoots down your ideas. The result being, whether intentional or not, talent doesn't get to explore or have any freedom creatively to stand out or become bigger stars.

How in the blue hell, exactly, is a guy supposed to grow, develop or step up and "grab the brass ring" in that type of environment?
Yeah but see you're falling into that tap of basically saying Vince doesn't know what is good. He managed to identify the right formula to make tons of stars over his career. The problem is not everyone is good enough to reach the top. He pushed Eddie to the top when nobody thought he would. I don't know how much that character was Vince and how much was Eddie, but he certainly became a larger than life character under Vince's watch.

Punk got to do tons. He was given lots of freedom. He was just a bitch when it was time to step aside for other guys. I think he saw Bryan was gaining steam and didn't like it. So he took his ball and went home so he could pretend to be a real fighter.

I think you're cherry picking stories from guys who are bitter. Why would Vince turn down a million dollar idea? There is this belief among the IWC that Vince hates success, like as though guys are feeding him money angles every night, and he goes "nahhhh let's just do something that is boring and will cost me money". Yet Vince stands to gain or lose more than anyone else in the entire world, so why would he intentionally turn down great ideas?

I'm sure guys have made suggestions that Vince had turned down, but the devil is in the detail. Usually when you hear ex WWE guys talk about angles they suggested, it usually involves them at the top of the card. Maybe Vince no longer sees that guy as a top guy, or maybe he never did. Vince has to make a judgment call on how far he sees a guy going before investing resources in that angle and that star. Heath Slater could come up with a riveting storyline to get him to a Mania main event against Brock Lesnar, but if Vince only sees Heath as a comedy act, why waste time on it?

Is Vince always right? Hell no. Does he have a better track record than anyone else in the world? Yup. So maybe he should get the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 10-13-2015, 04:07 PM   #299
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I've heard people have the opportunity to work with the writers on what they want to say. I have thought that some people might be very green so they are given what to say and might not ever grow out of that.

That is speculation though.

It could also be a battle between the wrestler and the writer/vince of what they want to say and they might just get tired of it.
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I've heard people have the opportunity to work with the writers on what they want to say. I have thought that some people might be very green so they are given what to say and might not ever grow out of that.

That is speculation though.

It could also be a battle between the wrestler and the writer/vince of what they want to say and they might just get tired of it.
I think just the mindset of today's generation is let me just show up and success will be handed to me. More of Austin's generation had the mindset of i need to look out for myself if I want to get ahead.

If you don't think your career is worth fighting for then you will never grab the brass ring.
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Well I've heard some guys like Vince and Triple H do interviews where they say guys will receive scripts and say "this sucks" but not have any alternative suggestions.
So when Triple H or Vince do an interview supporting what you want to believe, it's gospel.

When Daniel Bryan does one that goes against what you want to believe, it's time to go into damage control and find a way you can still argue a bullshit point.


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Yeah but see you're falling into that tap of basically saying Vince doesn't know what is good. He managed to identify the right formula to make tons of stars over his career. The problem is not everyone is good enough to reach the top. He pushed Eddie to the top when nobody thought he would. I don't know how much that character was Vince and how much was Eddie, but he certainly became a larger than life character under Vince's watch.

Punk got to do tons. He was given lots of freedom. He was just a bitch when it was time to step aside for other guys. I think he saw Bryan was gaining steam and didn't like it. So he took his ball and went home so he could pretend to be a real fighter.

I think you're cherry picking stories from guys who are bitter. Why would Vince turn down a million dollar idea? There is this belief among the IWC that Vince hates success, like as though guys are feeding him money angles every night, and he goes "nahhhh let's just do something that is boring and will cost me money". Yet Vince stands to gain or lose more than anyone else in the entire world, so why would he intentionally turn down great ideas?

I'm sure guys have made suggestions that Vince had turned down, but the devil is in the detail. Usually when you hear ex WWE guys talk about angles they suggested, it usually involves them at the top of the card. Maybe Vince no longer sees that guy as a top guy, or maybe he never did. Vince has to make a judgment call on how far he sees a guy going before investing resources in that angle and that star. Heath Slater could come up with a riveting storyline to get him to a Mania main event against Brock Lesnar, but if Vince only sees Heath as a comedy act, why waste time on it?

Is Vince always right? Hell no. Does he have a better track record than anyone else in the world? Yup. So maybe he should get the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not saying that everyone can be a huge star or success. I'm not saying that Vince wasn't responsible for making huge stars throughout his career or isn't the most successful promoter. I'm also not saying that Vince would intentionally turn down a great million dollar idea in favor of an idea that may or may not cost him money instead. I don't think anyone here is claiming any of those things.

What I am saying is that he's CURRENTLY either out of touch, complacent, afraid to take risks creatively, or some combination of the above. His past success was great. No one's denying that.

What we are complaining about is his CURRENT ability to make FUTURE stars. Absolutely, some of that is very much out of Vince's control and instead is in the talent's hands (drive, work ethic, talent levels, etc.) With that said, all of the talent or drive in the world are useless if you have someone running the show who is out of touch, complacent or afraid to take chances on talent or ideas.

I've been waiting for 5+ years (closer to 10 years) for things to change, and no, I don't mean going back to strictly Attitude era type material. Where do you draw the line? How long do you give Vince & co. to find and develop that next crop of stars or come up with a consistent set of compelling midcard and main event storylines? I've already given up in terms of watching regularly. No more watching RAWs or PPV events regularly for me until I hear of an awesome and consistent turn around.
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As far as talent goes, Vince has gotten real lucky in the past too. A lot of the stuff he gets credit for "creating," he only really fostered.
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Seems to me like new day are yanking quite hard at the brass ring. You could have yourselves a freebirds level group, main event styles pretty much having a group of guys making something out of nothing. That doesn't mean they need to be world champions, it just means you can make them a real feature, a constant threat and a focal point (as they slowly are becoming) if the rug gets pulled out from under them, it could not possibly be their fault
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And what's funny is they were initially meant to be pushed as a face team, as confirmed by Kolfi in the table for 3 segment they had.
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So when Triple H or Vince do an interview supporting what you want to believe, it's gospel.

When Daniel Bryan does one that goes against what you want to believe, it's time to go into damage control and find a way you can still argue a bullshit point.


SHEEEEEEP
HHH and Vince are in charge, they don't need permission to address certain topics.

I don't see how the two comments relate. My statement on Bryan saying that the plans for him changed was that he was towing the company line. The WWE story was that the plans changed through the YES Movement by the fans. Bryan parrots that in interviews.

You gotta check your reading comprehension bud.
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As far as talent goes, Vince has gotten real lucky in the past too. A lot of the stuff he gets credit for "creating," he only really fostered.
That's his job.

I heard Big Show do an interview where he said Vince is great at noticing little things that make a huge difference. Look at almost every star in the history of the business, and the vast majority became bigger stars with Vince.
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This is what people do when they are outmatched.
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Seems to me like new day are yanking quite hard at the brass ring. You could have yourselves a freebirds level group, main event styles pretty much having a group of guys making something out of nothing. That doesn't mean they need to be world champions, it just means you can make them a real feature, a constant threat and a focal point (as they slowly are becoming) if the rug gets pulled out from under them, it could not possibly be their fault
We'll see what they do with the push.

It's one thing to be opening card comedy, it's another to be at or near the top. I think now more than ever the ball is in their court. WWE is clearly behind them, clearly wants them to succeed. Now they have to show they can do it. Let's see what happens
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And what's funny is they were initially meant to be pushed as a face team, as confirmed by Kolfi in the table for 3 segment they had.
They were introduced as faces. Kofi would have no idea if Vince thought they would turn heel. And ultimately, he was right, they are heading down the babyface path.
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Kofi in an interview from a couple months ago mentioned that he wanted the team to be faces.
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That's his job.

I heard Big Show do an interview where he said Vince is great at noticing little things that make a huge difference. Look at almost every star in the history of the business, and the vast majority became bigger stars with Vince.
If you disallow peoples interviews who left the company to be factual, you cant allow peoples interviews who are still in the company.
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If you disallow peoples interviews who left the company to be factual, you cant allow peoples interviews who are still in the company.
Well Chris Jericho was doing the interview and he agreed.

Its my nature to take everything i read or hear with a grain of salt. I think Show and Jericho are both at stages in their career where they are comfortable criticizing if it's warranted. Whereas a guy like Punk is just really bitter when he did his big "shoot".

But you're right, all interviews should be scanned for BS levels.
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