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Originally Posted by Fignuts He was also a two-time Television champ. Going up against guys bigger than him, that you seem to think he couldn't do? Funny how they kept giving him all these titles, if he wasn't popular. Fact is, he wasn't competeing solely for wcw at the time, and he was something of a nomad at the time, wrestling all over the world, so that was likely a much larger factor in his short title reigns. Also, Juvi wasn't over? La Parka wasn't over? Fuck, Malenko never talked besides his fued with Jericho, and he was well over, before that happened. I'm not talking about freaking stonecold steve austin pops, but certainly big enough to be given a chance as a top cruiserweight. And there's no way you watched even one episode of wcw if you think that audience is that different from 2004 WWE. Or even WWE right now. They weren't a bunch ROH smarks, who only appreciate great technical wrestling. They were mostly kids, and casual fans. Same type of people that have made up the majority of wwe's audience for years. There is virtually no reason why any cruiserweight who got over then, shouldn't be able to get over in wwe now, other than not getting a chance. Like I said, it would be one thing if dragon received a couple ppv matches, to show what he can do, and failed to be a hit, but he wasn't even given that. You can debate whether Dragon would have been successful all you want, but you can't debate the fact that he wasn't even given chance to try.

come on, you're seriously going to bring in the TV Title? Look at the champions during his reign. Except for Regal, those guys were never major players. The Crusier division was miles ahead in terms of drawing/business. The Booker T/Benoit feud saved that belt from becoming worthless at that time.


I'm not even going to try and argue if you think the audience in 96 is the same as today. that's just retarded.


La Parka and Juvi and the rest of the lot were over as crusierweights during a short boom. That entire division was over. It was something new to fans, but again you needed guys like Jericho, Guerrero and Syxx (with the nWo behind him) to carry it because they could work the mic and draw heat.

Most of the other crusiers had a short shelf life. Hence that little thing in 1998 Called the LWO. WCW didn't know what to do with these guys anymore so they stuck them all in one stable as a last desperate attempt to give them a rub

At the end of the day you're argument is Ultimo didn't get over in WWE because he didn't have a chance. There's plenty of guys that have recieved shitty pushes, but have managed to get over. Ultimo was already handicapped by his mask, his Japanese style and he couldn't talk. So it's not a surprise that the WWE saw nothing in him as far as giving him any major run. There's plenty of smart business minded people in WWE and I'm sure if there was money to be made with Ultimo, they would of made it.