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Old 02-20-2010, 09:32 PM   #1
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I have to agree with Fignuts. Why wouldn't Ultimo Dragon ever stand a chance? I still don't get that. What makes Rey Mysterio so much more "serious" or "marketable" than Ultimo Dragon? If they had brought in Ultimo as a guy hyped as being able to do it all (martial arts, wrestle, fly, etc.), and put the Cruiserweight Title on him, I think he would have done just fine. Instead they stuck him on Velocity.
you kind of answered your own question as to why Ultimo would of never made it big in WWE. It's because he had a shelf life. Yea, he wins the cruisertitle and then what? That's as high as he would of ever got.

When did Rey Mysterio start becoming a huge supserstar? When he bulked up and when he started talking more. Mysterio started wrestling a heavyweight style and kept a little of his high flying arsenal. It worked.

Please don't blame bad booking on Ultimo's quick exit in the WWE. Almost all the top guys go through bad booking at some point or another. Ultimo could never work the mic and it's very hard to connect with the WWE crowd when you are under a mask and can't work a mic.
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:44 PM   #2
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you kind of answered your own question as to why Ultimo would of never made it big in WWE. It's because he had a shelf life. Yea, he wins the cruisertitle and then what? That's as high as he would of ever got.

When did Rey Mysterio start becoming a huge supserstar? When he bulked up and when he started talking more. Mysterio started wrestling a heavyweight style and kept a little of his high flying arsenal. It worked.

Please don't blame bad booking on Ultimo's quick exit in the WWE. Almost all the top guys go through bad booking at some point or another. Ultimo could never work the mic and it's very hard to connect with the WWE crowd when you are under a mask and can't work a mic.

He wasn't even given a chance ffs. Don't think he had a match past 8 minutes. Given his in-ring talent, that's bad booking, no matter how you look at it.

And don't give me that "well he can't speak english" reason. He and countless other non-english speaking wrestlers became mad over in wcw, because even the casual mainstream wrestling fans that watched wcw(the same type of fans who make up the majority of wwe's audience.) appreciated them for their in-ring skills.

In-ring skills alone may not get someone far in the main event, but the cruiserweight boom in america started because of pure in-ring talent.

Even besides that, ultimo also could have been a tag champ outside of the cruiserweight. I even think his talent was signifigant to even have a run with the U.S. or Intercontinental Title.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:59 AM   #3
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you kind of answered your own question as to why Ultimo would of never made it big in WWE. It's because he had a shelf life. Yea, he wins the cruisertitle and then what? That's as high as he would of ever got.

When did Rey Mysterio start becoming a huge supserstar? When he bulked up and when he started talking more. Mysterio started wrestling a heavyweight style and kept a little of his high flying arsenal. It worked.

Please don't blame bad booking on Ultimo's quick exit in the WWE. Almost all the top guys go through bad booking at some point or another. Ultimo could never work the mic and it's very hard to connect with the WWE crowd when you are under a mask and can't work a mic.
Why not a manager? I don't really see the difference between Ultimo Dragon and Rey Mysterio. They were both masked guys brought in and told to do flashy stuff. Rey Mysterio spent quite a while in the Cruiserweight Division, too, you seem to forget. The difference between them is that Rey won numerous Cruiserweight Titles, while Ultimo Dragon was put on Velocity.

Maybe it's because Dragon refused to take off his mask like Stephanie McMahon wanted; or it was because he just missed out on the era of the smaller wrestler being pushed with a lot more consideration -- but to put the blame of Ultimo Dragon's WWE run entirely on him is a bit silly. I remember actually being interested in watching Dragon at the time; but I couldn't find him. I remember actually partially ordering WrestleMania XX because it would feature Dragon in the Cruiserweight Open and I hadn't seen much of him. I would have been one of the few, but don't say that Dragon was there and got the same chances as Rey Mysterio (who wrestled Kurt Angle in his first WWE PPV match).
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