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Old 09-19-2011, 04:40 PM   #41
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Shawn was protecting his company. Bret had nothing to lose and everything to gain.....yet WCW managed to screw that up, well half of the reason, the other half being Bret's not a big a star as people think.
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Old 09-19-2011, 05:13 PM   #42
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It ws a special set of circumstances. So, by usual standards of "doing business" he was in the wrong/being unprofessional.

Take into consideration that he was being asked to leave the company and he had to drop to a guy that was notorious for "not doing business" and it's not as black and white.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:05 AM   #43
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Factor in same guy explicitly said he'd never drop it for Bret if the situation was reversed and furthermore add in that Vince McMahon gave Bret Hart creative control over how he left the company.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:49 AM   #44
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Bret didn't do business and refused to do what his boss told him to, thought he was god in Canada and it would shatter the little hearts of every kid in the hallways who ever screamed BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

HBK was a whiny little bitch, coked up, pilled up, and had the worst mullet ever. If he wasn't a primadonna, maybe Bret would have done business right.

The only person who did what they were supposed to was Hebner.

CM Punk was getting his picture taken with Stone Cold.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:12 AM   #45
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Not exactly true, Taker was apparently taping his fists/threatening Michaels to make sure HBK did go through with it given his rep and umming and ahhing at the time

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hunter stiffing owen hart with a crutch during a shawn vs owen match
he hit him with a crutch no differently to how anybody else would have hit him with a crutch.

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Vince - firing Jeff jarret on tv, interviewing pillmans wife the day after the day he died, not stopping the show after owen died.
The same Jarrett that held Vince up for $250,000 before a PPV, the same Melanie Pillman that could have said no and the Over The Edge/Owen thing was an impossible situation.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:17 AM   #46
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Angle seems a bit of a sulky prick, that Daniel Puder thing comes to mind.

Also, no JBL mention, wtf.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:31 AM   #47
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It ws a special set of circumstances. So, by usual standards of "doing business" he was in the wrong/being unprofessional.

Take into consideration that he was being asked to leave the company and he had to drop to a guy that was notorious for "not doing business" and it's not as black and white.
Yes it is. The WWF was losing a ton of money. Bret just walking into the ring after beating their top star and just handing the belt over would have killed the company. Stop making excuses for this over-rated bitch.
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Old 09-20-2011, 06:42 PM   #48
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JBL for being a bully.

Bob Holly for being a bully.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:46 PM   #49
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Yeah that's about as intelligent and thought out a response as we're used to from you.

I can't believe we're doing Montreal again.

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HBK was a whiny little bitch, coked up, pilled up, and had the worst mullet ever. If he wasn't a primadonna, maybe Bret would have done business right.
Completely irrelevant. How many jobs can you think of where you don't have to do what the job requires because you don't like the guy you have to work with?

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Take into consideration that he was being asked to leave the company and he had to drop to a guy that was notorious for "not doing business" and it's not as black and white.
Straight from the "two wrongs make a right" box.

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Factor in same guy explicitly said he'd never drop it for Bret if the situation was reversed...
Now playing the "what if?" game. Nice.

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...and furthermore add in that Vince McMahon gave Bret Hart creative control over how he left the company.
Was not the phrasing "reasonable creative control?"

This pretty much sums up Bret Hart for me: "Hi kids, I'm Bret Hart, your Canadian hero, and I just want you to remember, when something doesn't go your way, you should hit someone in the face. Oh and destroy thousands of dollars of their property too."
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:55 PM   #50
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Making a thread filled with rumors and absolutely no solid, substantial fact (that can be verified through direct witness).

Yay gossip.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:55 AM   #51
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I would say that mine is verifiable.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:20 PM   #52
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Yours is.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:28 PM   #53
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I knew this thread would turn into Montreal Screwjob Debate #548906734890573.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:38 PM   #54
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I remember that, because I was there in Atlanta, where he refused to put Brock Lesnar over on RAW.
Wasn't Austins issue that the match, the 1st between the two, was on TV rather than PPV?
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:40 PM   #55
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I knew this thread would turn into Montreal Screwjob Debate #548906734890573.
We haven't had one in like 2.5 years though.

We were due for one.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:48 PM   #56
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Wasn't Austins issue that the match, the 1st between the two, was on TV rather than PPV?
Yes, it was going to be a King Of The Ring qualifying match on Monday Night RAW on TV that night.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:49 PM   #57
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And the fact that the match was not saved for Pay-Per-View, really pissed him off.
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:49 PM   #58
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Wasn't Austins issue that the match, the 1st between the two, was on TV rather than PPV?
I'm not sure, but it's still not an excuse for walking out on the company.
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I see his point though even if walking out was a bit dramatic.
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #60
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