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Old 11-11-2013, 08:03 PM   #441
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I thought it was already like that. Whatever.
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:12 PM   #442
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so at the end of the day, for all their championing of how they're not here to screw the consumers like evil giant microsoft, sony's pretty much here to screw the consumers too, right

like, all this music unlimited/no usb/etc stuff - is basically the only thing that the ps4 has over the xbox one that it operates in 1080 as opposed to 720? i read somewhere that xbone would graphically only run at 720p or i or whatever, so i was starting to lean towards the ps4 because if this gen lasts as long as the current, then i'll have to be happy with the graphics for that length of time.


if they're graphically indistinguishable, i think i might stick with an xbox
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:12 PM   #443
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:13 PM   #444
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UGM control isn't a big deal at all, can't imagine UGM being a game breaker/annoyance.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:42 PM   #445
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so at the end of the day, for all their championing of how they're not here to screw the consumers like evil giant microsoft, sony's pretty much here to screw the consumers too, right

like, all this music unlimited/no usb/etc stuff - is basically the only thing that the ps4 has over the xbox one that it operates in 1080 as opposed to 720? i read somewhere that xbone would graphically only run at 720p or i or whatever, so i was starting to lean towards the ps4 because if this gen lasts as long as the current, then i'll have to be happy with the graphics for that length of time.


if they're graphically indistinguishable, i think i might stick with an xbox
The big question is how much will it matter in the long run. Keep in mind there's every possibility developers will build both versions with the same deal in mind, effectively putting only the effort necessary for the inferior graphical version. Of course, the publishers were the ones pushing graphics above all, so maybe the Bone gets shunned in the longer run, or simply gets weaker (at least, graphically) ports.

But yes, the primary difference right now appears to be that one outputs in 1080p natively and the other appears to have problems with it.

Also, there have been complaints of stuttering and framerate issues when the PS4 does 1080p, so it may not be all it's cracked up to be.

And I'd appreciate it if people remember this in a week's time when I say something less than favourable about the Xbone or Microsoft and they are tempted to whine I'm jsut hatin' on the unit.

Of course, my PC will play at higher than 1080p resolution with solid framerate at or around 60 fps (which is all my dated monitor will support anyway) and I can even keep my 360 controllers for the time being, so I was never particularly in the PS4's corner either, but....

The differences are more and more looking to be nil.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:55 PM   #446
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do we know if Microsoft is planning on implementing backwards compatibility down the road a la the ps4? or are they adamant it's not going to happen?

see, my main issues with outright going the ps4 is that I honestly prefer the xbox controller, which is a big part of the play experience, obviously, and my missus is a fan of the fable series, which is xb-exclusive

backwards compatibility isn't actually so much an issue for the xb on my end anyway as I have a working 360; the reason it seems advantageous for sony, to me, comes down to being able to play games such as the last of us and other ps3 exclusives I missed this generation (not gonna buy a ps3 though, or would or prefer not to)
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:07 PM   #447
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Currently in doubt after Microsoft stated it won't be occurring anytime soon and hinted it might not be cloud-based if it does arrive.

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Old 11-11-2013, 10:35 PM   #448
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see, my main issues with outright going the ps4 is that I honestly prefer the xbox controller, which is a big part of the play experience, obviously, and my missus is a fan of the fable series, which is xb-exclusive
Both good reasons to go PC.

Anyway, as SM has covered, there doesn't appear to be plans for BC. I wouldn't hold my breath on it, anyway.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:06 AM   #449
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Sounds like first wave PS4s are running into some hardware issues, particularly with the HDMI out.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:35 AM   #450
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Shit happens, launch woes. Day 1 adopters deserve it, imo. Still, things will be ironed out.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:46 AM   #451
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Shit happens, launch woes. Day 1 adopters deserve it, imo. Still, things will be ironed out.
It's the idiot tax.

Ps4's also getting some shit reviews for its launch titles.

Which also shouldn't really be surprising.
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How do Day 1 adopters deserve a faulty console from a highly reputable hardware company?

be it day 1 or day 365, if you spend your hard earned money on something, it should work and what that person 'deserves' is a working item.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:23 PM   #453
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How do Day 1 adopters deserve a faulty console from a highly reputable hardware company?

be it day 1 or day 365, if you spend your hard earned money on something, it should work and what that person 'deserves' is a working item.
Honestly, if you haven't figured out that launch consoles will have issues, I don't know how you cross the street without being hit by cars. Multiple cars, because pattern recognition clearly isn't your forte.

Not only is this a known, decades-old problem, but you're reinforcing that it's okay for corporations to release hastily assembled, faulty products with a fix-it-later mentality to beat the opposition to market/the Christmas rush/alien invaders (Thanks, Obama!).

Frankly, people like that are why we can't have nice things. And they have only themselves to blame for shitty launch products.
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Michael Patcher is predicting a dominant Playstation.

This is excellent news for Xbone fans.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:46 PM   #455
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Do Sony televisions have launch issues? I don't recall my day 1 PS2 having launch issues, or the ps3, or gamecube. The launch issue stigma comes from one console in the past 30 years of gaming:the Xbox 360. Don't act like this is something well rooted into console gaming history.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:49 PM   #456
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You're talking to a person who has purchased almost all day 1 hardware, both wise (super nes) and unwise (Saturn and 32x), and never once have I had or heard of batch launch issues on consoles. Hell, my launch day 360 didn't even shit out on me once, despite the large complaint of the RRoD.
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Alvarado52, I don't think the anger of day 1ers is meant towards ppl like you that don't throw it in ppl's faces that they have the new ish. The anger is towards the ppl that go out of their way to purchase the new ish and knock on ppl's doors at 3 a.m. to hoist the said ish above their heads as to ultimately one up the person who is losing sleep and gathering funds to purchase the new ish.
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Do Sony televisions have launch issues? I don't recall my day 1 PS2 having launch issues, or the ps3, or gamecube. The launch issue stigma comes from one console in the past 30 years of gaming:the Xbox 360. Don't act like this is something well rooted into console gaming history.
I see. So since you haven't had launch issues with a device, it hasn't happened.

Including with the PS2, with one of the most notable launch hardware issues in gaming.

Widespread launch issues don't happen if they don't happen to you personally.

God bless you, you fanatical little retard. God bless you
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In 2-3 gens, Alva will have forgotten about the problems with the 360 at launch too.
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Mind elaborating on these issues so clear in your mind? Or are you taking the Fox News route and just spewing shit out of your mouth and expecting us to believe it as fact?

I'm not taking it personally by any means, what I'm simply saying is regarding someone's purchase as "deserving" of failure or a "retard" tax is a stupid statement. People want an item, look forward to it, and want it on the first day, so they should expect a working system...ESPECIALLY from a company known for their hardware manufacturing.
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Correction: "idiot" tax.
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Mind elaborating on these issues so clear in your mind?

Okay, seriously, do you not remember Disc Read Errors on the PS2? It really was one of the biggest hardware issues ever and spawned a class-action suit.

The original PS had issues reading discs as well. Sony's solution was to turn the console on its side or upside down.

The original Xbox was a fire hazard. Same with the Japanese launch of the DS Lite.

Speaking of DS Lites, they've had electronic issues and that whole cracking hinge issue.

Keep in mind also that the most reliable hardware from last gen (the Wii) still had twice the standard acceptable failure rate.

How far back do I have to go? Just the fact that you're playing dumb to the PS2 hardware issues should be enough to make your statements ridiculous as all fuck. A fanatical statement from a special little man.
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Kane Knight isn't being serious, he's making fun of Kalyx.

I think.

Depends on the part. Hardware issues are a real thing. The concept of an idiot tax was tongue in cheek.

Anyone who thinks Sony's gaming division is known for its reliable hardware needs to be tested for down syndrome, though.
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I'll give you the disc read errors, because I did forget about that, but those other issues didn't prevent the operation of the system. I have never heard of this ps1 disc reading issue though.
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KK is on the money here, there has been a history of console launch problems that has happened enough for me to never consider getting a console at launch ever. I'm happy you didn't run into these issues, but it's well documented.

On the line about Day 1ers deserving it, Heisenberg also hit the note I was on that there's a early adoption culture for certain items that seem ridiculous and can only be because of the same attitude the makes people post "First" in gaming article comment sections. When we get software day one, at least that's because we know others will and we wanna be where the party is; big get togethers and such. This is a time in gaming where there's not quite an urgency to jump next-gen, with iffy launch libraries on both consoles to be honest. Add to that the most annoyingly pathetic console fanboy war in... ever. I kind of want these people to have hardware problems. I don't mind people spending money stupidly to have issues after the fact. Makes me feel good.

But if your luck stands I'm hoping you yourself don't have any issues, I didn't mean for you specifically to have issues. Hell, I even noted that I rather things work out. I don't want Sony or Microsoft to fail or anything. I want an Xbox One. Just not at launch.
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"OMG!! Been waiting since it was announced for this and it's CRAP?!?!"

A friend of mine just said this to me as he has one preordered and has done nothing but rave about how great its gonne be, etc. I told him this usually happens with a console launch and that maybe his won't have issues.

He's just recently gotten into gaming so he wasn't aware of the 360's issues at launch, the PS2's, etc.

I'm also holding out for an XBox One, but I wanna see how they do the first year before I'll buy one.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:18 PM   #468
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I dont know of any launch titles to go bananas over.
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The PS4 launch titles are nothing to rave about, with the best ones being multi-platform, and the games themselves looking just a tad above the current gen.

The One, on the other hand, easily has the stronger first party launch titles in Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, and Ryse.

Here's my crossroads...from a games standpoint, the One easily has my attention, but in terms of multiplayer, almost all my friends 'irl' have gone Playstation, and most of my Live play is with the TPWW community, which I feel is pretty fragmented.
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ANYWAYS...another worry of mine is that damn Kinect. Oliver loves to grab my shit and beat the hell outta it, im scared he's gonna see that thing sitting there and destroy it.
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Ryse is unimpressive. Dead Rising 3 is eh.
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Get the fuck out of this forum Kalyx...you've been such a god damned downer about anything regarding next-gen. Christ.
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Really? I've been fairly hype about Titanfall, Battlefield 4, Killer Instinct, PS4 and X1's new approach to indy games, and expanded digital marketplaces. I want an Xbox One (again, I say). I've had a very balanced view where I give credit or strikes where due. If I seem to give more strikes than credit, sorry if it seems that way.

Don't expect me to be blindfully optimistic, but I won't be blindfully critical at least. I call it how I see it. My blog has posts vilifying or blasting some stuff from next gen, but it also gets hype for next gen and even defended certain DLC practices. I don't wanna come off as pro/anti-consumer or pro/anti-corporation. I'm just a fucking gamer.

I think you just notice the critical stuff more, there's plenty examples of me being hype and hopeful in this forum.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:22 AM   #476
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And sorry, Ryse and Dead Rising 3 aren't doing shit next-gen or even generally progressive. They don't even need to be innovative, just present something cool. If Ryse was (and very well could have been) a 360 title, without the hoopla of it being a next-gen launch title, it would have went under everybody's radar in this forum. I guarantee this. I see hype for that game and wonder; 'when did this kind of shit spark any interest in the past?' It forces me to conclude it's only because it's a next gen title and not due to its merits as a game.

And the Dead Rising series never interested me in particular, but DR3 seems especially paint-by-numbers for a next-gen launch title. Again, where was this level of hype for DR2 and its expansions? Add to that the altered presentation going for the old 'gritty' filter and shit. Not a fan of that movement.

If you want me to write longer posts about what I like I can certainly do that.
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Get the fuck out of this forum Kalyx...you've been such a god damned downer about anything regarding next-gen. Christ.
To be fair, MS and Sony haven't really done anything to be hyped about next-gen. You've got some shooty shooty bang bangs on both formats, along with some brm brm driving and God of War: Rome. Shame Knack reviewed so horribly. Resogun is probably the only thing worth playing so far.

I know, I know, launch lineups suck, but at least they announced things to look forward to the last times. Sony have got Infamous and, erm... Deep Down I guess? MS has got fuck all (apart from the inferior version of Titanfall) so I'll quite happily sit back and wait a couple of price drops at this rate, or not bother if MGSV comes to PC.
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Oh goddamn, another Uncharted was announced. Naughty Dog finally do something fucking interesting and they're back to milk that teat. Unreal.
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What reviews? I haven't seen any yet.

It looks like the other DR games, dumb fun, but not full price dumb fun.
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