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Old 01-06-2011, 03:16 PM   #41
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Mysterio putting his mask on the line led to fantastic matches with Punk and Jericho.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:17 PM   #42
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:18 PM   #43
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Cena vs. Barrett was fucking great. And it was edge of your seat exciting because if Cena lost he joined Nexus. Come the fuck on, people.
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Bret Hart and Jerry Lawler had a great feud revolving around foot kissing.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:20 PM   #45
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Well, you're comparing extremes though. How about Rotten VS. Balls Mahoney in ECW compared to one of those matches that Abyss had for Hogan's HOF Ring? Well, bad example...

Sandman VS. Sabu in Stairway to Hell VS. Kidman VS. Shane Douglas in the Viagra on a Pole match.

And yes, I realize that Sabu can be considered a good to great wrestler and is considered by many to have been a great high flier (not to mention myself), however many of his matches were garbage and more than a little of the reason that so many look so fondly back upon Sabu is because of Heyman's booking and editing out of all the botches and boring parts on Hardcore TV.

Kidman was at the time a great wrestler, so was Shane Douglas, and the end-of-match stipulation made for a crappy match.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:21 PM   #46
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Mysterio putting his mask on the line led to fantastic matches with Punk and Jericho.
I think Mask and hair matches are fine.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:22 PM   #47
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You're arguing that a match that's guaranteed to be crappy is preferable to a match that may be good or may be bad. Are you retarded?
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:22 PM   #48
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Every match that added another man kissing Vince McMahon's ass is a travesty.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:23 PM   #49
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You're arguing that match that's guaranteed to be crappy is preferable to match that may be good or may be bad. Are you retarded?
That's not what I'm arguing. You'd know that if you read the thread title along with my previous posts.
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A crappy stipulation can still lead to better things, Saturn did alright after wearing a dress.
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I dunno. Whatever.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:25 PM   #52
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You guys are dumb and I hate you.
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That is not what you wrote in your livejournal today. Stop having a period and join in the conversation like you normally do. WTF MAN?!
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:27 PM   #54
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I've given several examples of why you're wrong and I'm right. I thought you loved facts, gay boy.
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That's not what I'm arguing. You'd know that if you read the thread title along with my previous posts.
That was essentially what you were saying, though.
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A crappy match with crappy wrestlers is better than a match with crappy stipulations, whether the wrestlers are good or not. That's what you're saying, right?
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I'm spinning it as, when the potential for tarnishing someone's legacy is greater than the potential for two lesser performers to screw up a match, I would rather watch the two lesser performers rather than suffer the heart-ache.

Two amazing wrestlers not being able to live up to their potential seems a greater sin than allowing two fat guys to hit each other with chairs for a while.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:45 PM   #59
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Also I didn't say the gimmick was necessarily stupid, street fights and ECW "rules" can be fun to watch.
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What were the exact stipulations for viagra on a pole match?
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It's like if Edward Norton did Big Momma's House, I'd rather watch Bob Sagget play Norton's role in Fight Club than watch Norton degrade himself to play in a fat-suit and fart a lot.
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I'm spinning it as, when the potential for tarnishing someone's legacy is greater than the potential for two lesser performers to screw up a match, I would rather watch the two lesser performers rather than suffer the heart-ache.

Two amazing wrestlers not being able to live up to their potential seems a greater sin than allowing two fat guys to hit each other with chairs for a while.
My lord, you are reaching now. Sigh....

Which would you rather watch, though? Also, name one silly stipulation match that tarnished a great workers legacy that wasn't intended to do so (i.e. Saturn in a dress was a punishment).
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Whoah. I started watchin' it on youtube and the commentators said

"If you get the bottle of viagra, you can use it on your opponent".

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It's like if Edward Norton did Big Momma's House, I'd rather watch Bob Sagget play Norton's role in Fight Club than watch Norton degrade himself to play in a fat-suit and fart a lot.

Ed Norton would never take a role like Big Momma, but just for the sake of your side, let's say he did. He would have still been the most amazing Big Momma of all time.

Also, sticking Saget in Fight Club doesn't add up for your argument. You were talking about bad workers in bad matches. Fight Club is not a 'bad match'. You'd need to do something like Bob Saget in Daddy Day Camp...which he may have actually been in, for all I know.
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Well, Norton once put on a retarded (and fat) suit and made it work.
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I wasn't talking about bad workers in bad matches. I was talking about bad workers in gimmick matches.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:59 PM   #69
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But option B still has the potential to be a five star match...just with a stupid stipulation. If Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels are having a blood feud over a fucking ham sandwich, it doesn't really matter to me as long as the match is good.
Well option A could theoretically be good too on an individual basis, I mean I enjoy Kozlov and Ezekiel Jackson matches whereas most people probably don't, but how many people would enjoy a dog collar match between the two of them?

Or even if you have a match that is straight up awful you could get something so unintentionally hilarious that you may end up enjoying it.
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So Fight Club is a 'gimmick movie' then?

I fear Wrestlecrap has poisoned some of your brains.
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Some of you are plainly telling me that you'd rather see guys who suck wrestle in some ridiculous environment as opposed to two guys who are amazing wrestle over something 'unrealistic' like a 'woman'.

I really don't see how fighting over a woman is ridiculous or unrealistic. People have been doing it for years. Sure in real life, the woman has a say in it, but there's a certain level of belief that you just HAVE to suspend to even be a wrestling fan. This is a silly thread, and you are all making me sick.
I'm not saying I'd rather see Nathan Jones and Heidenreich in a ladder match over your Jericho HBK ham sandwich match, I'm just saying it may not be all bad.
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But which would you RATHER see?
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Anyway, Booker T had been a part of Harlem Heat for a loooooooooong time, and it really meant a lot to him. Some new guy thinks he's a big shot and tries to take it all from him. What's wrong with that?.
It was Stevie Ray trying to take the name though, not the new guy. Ahmed was just the replacement for Booker.
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But which would you RATHER see?
The one with a Canadian obviously.
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I meant Death to Smoochy.

Dunno, I liked it.
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It was Stevie Ray trying to take the name though, not the new guy. Ahmed was just the replacement for Booker.
Even still, not a bad premise. It's sort of like divorce court on Thursday Night Thunder.
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I meant Death to Smoochy.

Dunno, I liked it.
Great movie.
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The one with a Canadian obviously.
Hopefully they are more Robert Rhoode than Val Venis though.
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