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Old 02-12-2009, 06:46 PM   #281
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Also, I get what you're trying to say, Heyman, but I just cannot agree. The Rock is going to draw; Christian is not. It's just the way it is. If The Rock were coming back, you'd market him instantly to put him in the biggest position available. Hell, if The Rock came back, he'd probably win the World Heavyweight Championship at the first available PPV.
Let me put it this way:

If this was the year 2000 and the wrestling industry was absolutely booming.....and if there were only two shows (i.e. so an 'A' show and a 'B' show), then I'd definitely consider putting Christian on the 'B' show so that more people would tune it.

A) There would be a large enough audience that would care enough to tune in to see a guy like Christan

B) It would help bring more balance to the 'weaker' show....and give it more credibility.


The truth however, is this:

A) It's the year 2009. Not many people care about wrestling.

B) If there's not enough of an audience as it is (in its entirety), then why put a high quality wrestler on a show that hardly anyone will watch anyways? The market just isn't there right now.

Like I said though - I hope I'm wrong.

Given how Jericho is without an opponent right now, this might've been a perfect opportunity to help Christian get over. Having said that, this option is still there.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:19 PM   #282
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I told you all your hopes of Christian returning and not being treated like a goober were nigh impossible.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:23 PM   #283
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:13 PM   #284
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I love you Fox, but I've got to argue this:

Christian returning in the Royal Rumble Match -- and losing -- makes him look better than debuting on ECW and beating the Champion there? Christian returning against Santino Marella makes him look better than returning and defeating the ECW Champion? Maybe it works better in your head, but in mine, it is an instant passage into the mid-card for Christian.
Yes, I do think that. Why? BECAUSE IT'S ON RAW. Not only that, but Santino has been a very prevalent and, to an extent, over character on WWE TV for almost two years. The verbal interchange between them would have been classic, and Christian would have gotten more over in that one segment than he did in the two he was in on ECW. Again, his victory over Jack Swagger was nothing more than assisted build-up for Finlay vs. Swagger at No Way Out. In the big picture, he was just the object that Finlay used to get that last one-up before NWO.

A segment on RAW with Santino would have been a single cell dedicated to Christian - not build-up for another match. It puts the importance on Christian and his return, and not only that, but it would have been on the FLAGSHIP SHOW that gets nearly 3X the ratings ECW pulls in.


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There are a few problems with the scenario you have suggested, although it is one of the most organic of the Edge/Christian/Matt/Jeff ideas I have read:

1) As you saw, Christian returning got a face pop. Do you really want the genuine interest in Christian to be wasted with him enforcing that he is a bad guy? It's playing against the fans, and it's going to confuse and upset them. Some people will cheer Christian hitting Jeff with a steel chair, and that's not exactly a visual you want. It sends the message that Jeff isn't worth cheering, and that this Christian guy is the good guy. It just makes things more confusing.
Christian is better as a heel. Yes, he does well as a face, but his heel character is far more charismatic than his face. He just plays that cocky arrogance to perfection. And as far as your argument that the people who cheer Christian hitting Jeff makes things "more confusing," let me point out a character named John Cena who gets 50% boos on EVERY SHOW, and is the company's "top face."

The marks are what the company cares about. They will boo the guy who is hitting their beloved Jeff Hardy in the head with a chair.

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Christian returning as a face was absolutely the right move. Both from a creative and business standpoint. Hell, while he's hot, Christian might even move some merchandise. He was entertaining as hell on ECW, and he fills a gap in the face line-up that wasn't previously there. Triple H may actually be the closest thing the WWE has to a face with a zinging attitude right now.
That is fine and I understand what you're saying, but once again, Christian is at his best as a heel. Turn MVP face if you need a good face, but use the new guy to his fullest potential because otherwise you are succubusing yourself.

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2) In your scenario, you have three heels and one face. Maybe that is intentional, but it seems a little messy to me. Jeff Hardy is the only real character for the fans to attach to, so you're basically dedicating 75% of the angle to guys the fans don't like. That could turn some people off. If they were going to do something with those four men at WrestleMania, then I think a tag team match would have been the best option. That way you have two faces and two heels, and things a lot more even.
I did intentionally keep three heels in the feud and here's why: I believe it is Jeff Hardy's time. The match makes him the ultimate underdog in a way that Cena has never been portrayed - he is against three men who know him very well, one of which is his brother, two of which have wronged him deeply, and one who has the thing he wants more than anything. It is his dilemma - it's his story. And of course, it is he who would be winning the WWE title match at WrestleMania.

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3) This idea immediately violates realism, because you do realise you have "the richest prize in the industry" being defended at the 25th anniversary of the Granddaddy of Them All between four former tag team specialists. Jeff Hardy is a guy with two wellness violations to his name; Matt Hardy has never been a "real World Champion" before, and has never really main eventing a PPV; Christian is only a few months off returning to the company after a three-year absence, prior to which he had no main event experience; with Edge probably being the only proven reliable main eventer of the four.

Again, it also leaves Triple H out in the cold. If you think that the WWE Title match at an event like WrestleMania XXV is going to leave out the guy who is banging the boss' daughter, and has been arbitrarily part of a World Title match every WrestleMania he could attend since WrestleMania X-8, for the fucking Hardy Boyz, you're delusional. Unless Triple H was injured with time to plan, there is no way the WWE Title match at WrestleMania is going to feature anyone but Triple H. If you want to include Edge, Christian, Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy, you better make it a Five-Way.

Any WWE Title match idea for WrestleMania XXV that doesn't involve Triple H should immediately be disqualified for being unrealistic. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.
This is a very narrow view point, especially from you. Jeff Hardy has proven he deserves his spot at the top. He is extremely over with the crowd (maybe more so than Triple H), and has been putting on fantastic matches.

I'm not ignorant to the fact that they are not considered "top names in the business." That's why Cena vs. Orton would be the main event of Mania. It would probably go WWE Title 4-Way TLC Match, Undertaker vs. HBM, then the World Title match. That's how WrestleMania usually goes anyways.

As far as Triple H is concerned, he has shown that he is willing to make sacrifices for the company (he's still on Smackdown isn't he?). The time of "oh my god the WWE is the Triple H Show" are passed. He could wrestle in a high profile match against JBL or Big Show. It's just this time. Undertaker has done such things in the past (WM XIX, WM 22) - I don't see why Triple H isn't at that point in his career as well where he will take a backseat to the new guys for one year. It's not like he's going to retire soon. There have been and will be more Manias for Triple H, but this year he could take a backseat. It's not like he's left off the card.

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As for MVP and R-Truth being suitable opponents for Jack Swagger? I'll maybe give you MVP. In fact, I would have loved to have seen MVP on ECW as a face. But that being said, Jack Swagger vs. Christian is definitely a bigger match. So even if you think you're taking away from the epicness of the other matches at the event (and with Edge vs. Triple H and Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy, I don't think you are), you're at least bulking up those lower on the card.
Of course Christian vs. Swagger is a "bigger match." It's because Christian is involved in it! But he deserves more than bringing this new guy to a higher level - he deserves someone on his own level. Who is more on his level than his "brother" and the two guys he broke through with? The storyline is built in.


Anyways, this is a dead issue. The deal is done.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:00 PM   #285
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But then what for Christian? It's obvious where Christian defeating Jack Swagger goes: Christian wins the ECW Title at WrestleMania. But where does Christian going over Edge lead? Keep in mind that he CANNOT challenge for the WWE Championship at WrestleMania!
Face The Big Show at WrestleMania or represent SmackDown in the Money In The Bank Ladder Match. Both of those matches would be bigger than a repeat of Christian vs. Jack Swagger.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:32 PM   #286
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Yes, I do think that. Why? BECAUSE IT'S ON RAW. Not only that, but Santino has been a very prevalent and, to an extent, over character on WWE TV for almost two years. The verbal interchange between them would have been classic, and Christian would have gotten more over in that one segment than he did in the two he was in on ECW. Again, his victory over Jack Swagger was nothing more than assisted build-up for Finlay vs. Swagger at No Way Out. In the big picture, he was just the object that Finlay used to get that last one-up before NWO.

A segment on RAW with Santino would have been a single cell dedicated to Christian - not build-up for another match. It puts the importance on Christian and his return, and not only that, but it would have been on the FLAGSHIP SHOW that gets nearly 3X the ratings ECW pulls in.
If Christian had returned against Santino Marella, I guarantee just as many people would be bitching. "Christian should be in the main event!" Also, just as many people are going to see the recap videos of Christian returning on RAW, or SmackDown!, or even WWE.com that would have seen it live had it happened on RAW. And I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that Christian could even be on RAW come next week.

How about this:

Christian hosts a special edition of The Peep Show on RAW, with the special occasion being that he is just happy to be back, and last night there was a feel good moment he just had to address. His guest is Shawn Michaels, and Christian asks HBK how it feels to be back, and HBK asks Christian the same question. Christian respectfully lets HBK talk about his goals now that he's free of JBL, until JBL himself shows up, tells HBK he got lucky and that he's an asshole for gambling his family's future, and that Christian doesn't belong on RAW and needs to get back to ECW. Cue the set-up of a Shawn Michaels & Christian vs. JBL & Jack Swagger match that night.

Being a main event on ECW is definitely more of an impact than being a mid-carder on RAW. I think that is essentially where we differ, but given that ECW is part of the WWE's universe, I think you just need to accept that they are occasionally going to get a bigger star than Mark Henry.

Also, just so you know: Anyone can see that they were building a Swagger vs. Christian ECW Title match from this. Well, I guess they could also do Finlay vs. Christian, but it was stressed so many times that Christian was there to go after the ECW Champion, whomever it may be. That's not putting over Finlay's program. If anything, Finlay fans should be bitching because Christian took the spotlight off his program.

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Christian is better as a heel. Yes, he does well as a face, but his heel character is far more charismatic than his face. He just plays that cocky arrogance to perfection. And as far as your argument that the people who cheer Christian hitting Jeff makes things "more confusing," let me point out a character named John Cena who gets 50% boos on EVERY SHOW, and is the company's "top face."

The marks are what the company cares about. They will boo the guy who is hitting their beloved Jeff Hardy in the head with a chair.
Yeah, Christian is better as a heel. That doesn't mean that the WWE should just take a guy that is hot off returning, and tell the fans they are wrong to be excited he is back, and use him as a heel immediately out the gate. By pushing Christian initially as a face, they have someone on their hands that is fresher, more over and that is probably going to move more merchandise than a lot of their other face characters.

Why not give Christian a chance to run as a face, and try and make some dough for the company? They're testing that out in the smaller waters first, and I don't blame them.

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That is fine and I understand what you're saying, but once again, Christian is at his best as a heel. Turn MVP face if you need a good face, but use the new guy to his fullest potential because otherwise you are succubusing yourself.
I think we both agree that the WWE should use Christian to his fullest potential, but I think we have differing views of what that is. I think introducing the guy as a top face of the company, and then building him up to move onto either RAW or SmackDown! in the same position is using him better. You think that having him as a mid-card heel on one of the more crowded shows is a better use of his talents. That's fine. I'm not going to agree with you, though.

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I did intentionally keep three heels in the feud and here's why: I believe it is Jeff Hardy's time. The match makes him the ultimate underdog in a way that Cena has never been portrayed - he is against three men who know him very well, one of which is his brother, two of which have wronged him deeply, and one who has the thing he wants more than anything. It is his dilemma - it's his story. And of course, it is he who would be winning the WWE title match at WrestleMania.
I can understand why you did that, but I don't know if I can see it working out. I'm just trying to think of programs like that which have worked. I'm not saying it wouldn't, but normally programs like that have two characters the fans can connect to, incase they reject one, or something goes afoul.

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This is a very narrow view point, especially from you. Jeff Hardy has proven he deserves his spot at the top. He is extremely over with the crowd (maybe more so than Triple H), and has been putting on fantastic matches.

I'm not ignorant to the fact that they are not considered "top names in the business." That's why Cena vs. Orton would be the main event of Mania. It would probably go WWE Title 4-Way TLC Match, Undertaker vs. HBM, then the World Title match. That's how WrestleMania usually goes anyways.
I get it wouldn't be headlining, but how does this take into account the Money in the Bank Ladder Match (which is happening, they pretty much advertised it the other week)? Don't you also think this is blowing their load? Also, isn't it ill-advised to put a guy who has just returned to the company in a WrestleMania main event like a month after he's back?

You are aware that this is the 25th anniversary of WrestleMania, don't you? This isn't going to be a Mania the WWE is going to sweep under the rug. They want big buys, and they're not really going to experiment too much with it. I don't think it makes sense to suggest they put forward a main event that consists of four guys, three of whom have pretty much been mid-carders up until last month (a bit of an exaggeration).

Also, if you can keep your load in for a little bit, you can build to that sort of match. What's wrong with doing Edge vs. Triple H, Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy and Swagger vs. Christian, and then do the TLC Match at like fucking Vengeance or something? Those four guys aren't going anywhere.

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As far as Triple H is concerned, he has shown that he is willing to make sacrifices for the company (he's still on Smackdown isn't he?). The time of "oh my god the WWE is the Triple H Show" are passed. He could wrestle in a high profile match against JBL or Big Show. It's just this time. Undertaker has done such things in the past (WM XIX, WM 22) - I don't see why Triple H isn't at that point in his career as well where he will take a backseat to the new guys for one year. It's not like he's going to retire soon. There have been and will be more Manias for Triple H, but this year he could take a backseat. It's not like he's left off the card.
But this is WrestleMania XXV. The 25th anniversary of WrestleMania. Sure, Triple H could look at it as just another WrestleMania, but this is a pretty big landmark event for the company. Also, with Triple H being the guy built up to be getting the title shot, do you really think he'll be content to just say "Oh, hi, Christian! What, you're back? Oh, awesome! Here, have my WrestleMania main event slot!" Spoilers for WrestleMania XXV: Triple H wins the WWE Title.

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Of course Christian vs. Swagger is a "bigger match." It's because Christian is involved in it! But he deserves more than bringing this new guy to a higher level - he deserves someone on his own level. Who is more on his level than his "brother" and the two guys he broke through with? The storyline is built in.
No, I disagree. In WWE kayfabe, Christian has never been a World Champion. He is a multi-time IC Champion and Tag Team Champion. Jack Swagger is the quickest man to have ever won a World Title in the WWE's history. Granted, it's no acknowledged as being on a lower level than the WWE or World Heavyweight Titles, but it's still above anything Christian has ever held in the WWE.

As a smark, I can appreciate your views on how great Christian is, and what he deserves, but where is that evidence in kayfabe? Also, Christian gets a big smiley face against his name for making ECW look PPV worthy by challenging for the belt (if it wasn't going to be Christian, I had a feeling we were going to get Tommy Dreamer), and helping Swagger get a great showing at his first Mania. The WWE likes this Swagger kid, and he's really quite a good worker for how new he is. Give him a try sometime.

Also, how many times does it need to be said: At WrestleMania, it seems the WWE wants to do Edge vs. Triple H, which I feel they need to do, because there is no other WWE Championship program "big enough" for Mania. And that is the WWE's fault. They really need to elevate some talent. They also seem to want to do the big Matt vs. Jeff singles match at the event. That leaves Christian out in the dark. So you can have him go over Umaga, JBL, or Big Show, or you can have him walk out of the silver anniversary of WrestleMania with a World Championship.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:37 PM   #287
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Face The Big Show at WrestleMania or represent SmackDown in the Money In The Bank Ladder Match. Both of those matches would be bigger than a repeat of Christian vs. Jack Swagger.
Big Show vs. Christian would get lost in the shuffle, I think. WrestleMania is always that way. The title matches and epic special attractions drown out the upper mid-carder fight. Also, the storyline would probably have Big Show going after Christian because Vickie Guerrero told him to, which would put him at odds with Edge. So what you're essentially doing through Show vs. Christian is teasing Christian vs. Edge, which is all well and good, except WrestleMania should have some finality to it.

How are people going to enjoy the probably crappy (from an in-ring perspective) Christian vs. Show program, if it is just buying time until an Edge vs. Christian feud, and people can see that and look past the present to it?

I predicted Christian would be in Money in the Bank prior to ECW this week, and I have no problem with him being in the match, except that it does makes the match prediction. In case you're not following, SPOILERS: Christian wins. That's something I could accept, but then you've got another face winning MITB, and when Christian cashes in, you have the whole "paper champion" thing I'm sure people would complain about.

The way the WWE are going about it, Christian can win the ECW Title from Jack Swagger, and use that to springboard himself to the main event scene of, say, SmackDown!. Shelton Benjamin could then also win MITB (because let's face it, he needs a little help), and can then use that briefcase to win the WWE Title down the track. That's two main eventers set-up, instead of just one.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:59 PM   #288
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Christian = awesome
Christian returning to WWE = awesome
Christian being on ECW = kinda gay (no idea when it's on in Canada, can't see it)
Christian in the ECW Title race this close to 'Mania = awesome
Christian's new theme = extremely gay, gimme Waterproof Blonde any day
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The way the WWE are going about it, Christian can win the ECW Title from Jack Swagger, and use that to springboard himself to the main event scene of, say, SmackDown!. Shelton Benjamin could then also win MITB (because let's face it, he needs a little help), and can then use that briefcase to win the WWE Title down the track. That's two main eventers set-up, instead of just one.
Christian could win MITB and then use it to win the WWE Championship.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:05 AM   #290
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Again, I'm fine with it. I think everyone, maybe even including myself, has to chill about it though. He's back in WWE under contract. Things will change one way or the other. He's not on ECW forever neccesarrily, and I think it's very naiive and stupid to think they won't eventually use him in fueds with Edge, Jeff, Matt and combinations, not to mention other top talents.
I just can't stand how everyones so proclamative of "oh no how could they" like it's the end. Is being in the ECW title hunt for Wrestlemania THAT bad? It's uppermidcard status.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:35 AM   #291
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Noid, I am not reading all that shit. Come on.
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Christian could win MITB and then use it to win the WWE Championship.
Very true. But then you get the whole issue with CM Punk coming back up. MITB works best with a heel winning the title. Someone like Shelton Benjamin could benefit more from it this year.
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Noid, I am not reading all that shit. Come on.
I don't expect you to, nor really care if you do.
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I read the rest of your post of course, but this is what I want to focus on right now.

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Is being in the ECW title hunt for Wrestlemania THAT bad?
I don't think it is bad at all. As much as people (myself included sometimes) shit on it, it's still the main title of a brand, which makes it a World Title. It will be used as a stepping stone to bigger accomplishments and bigger feuds (i.e. he'll be off ECW soon enough).

Like you and others have said, this isn't the end of the road for Christian. Yes, he's on the 'C' show, but he's the main attraction on that show. And his time there will benefit him in many ways. Just because he wasn't thrown into the "fantasy feuds" right away doesn't mean his return was a waste. Enjoy him being in WWE again and just sit back and watch him kick some ass.
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You're exactly right, screech. And just to add onto that: the "fantasy feuds" are going to happen anyway. You just have to wait a few months before they do. They'll be all the better because of it all.
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They should just bring back the Cruiserweight title and have it defended on ECW
. Besides how many Cruiserweights are we left with?
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But the question is, Why didn't they put him straight into a programme with everyone in the Main Event, on the flagship show, and push him as the most dominant force to return to WWE since one of the Undertakers reincarnations?

For he is Christian. Anyone with his unrivaled skills and drawing capabilities should receive the fanfare and acknowledgment of say, HBK after age reduction surgery to make him 27 again. Or Steve Austin following a full spine transplant.

How dare they treat the mighty, invaluable Christian like this!!
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The amount of defense for the WWE's decision making in this matter is astonishing to me. Have you all forgotten the greatness that is Christian? Do you all really not believe that he deserves a better foot than ECW? (That's a rhetorical question, btw, Noid).

I mean, come on.
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Rhetorical questions on a discussion forum? A bit like Vodka at an AA meeting. Has no place, but will tempt everyone who sees it.

First shot is mine.

I haven't forgotten, I just don't think he is great enough to warrent this outrage. Me and Vince McMahon believe this, and nobody could understand wrestling more than me and Vince.

And I don't think ECW is the reserve team at all. I think it just needs people, like those here who claim to enjoy actual wrestling to watch it.

I mean, there are still a shitload of people who only watch Raw, and SD has been the better show for well over 6 months now.


Everybody stop acting like this matters, and watch ECW.



And Funk, it's in HQ on YT the day after usually. Problem solved.
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The amount of defense for the WWE's decision making in this matter is astonishing to me. Have you all forgotten the greatness that is Christian? Do you all really not believe that he deserves a better foot than ECW? (That's a rhetorical question, btw, Noid).

I mean, come on.
I remember how great Christian is, no doubt. I marked out for him just this past week on ECW. I marked out for him showing up unexpectedly, and I marked out for his promo-interrupting skills. I also marked out for his return to the ring, and for him defeating the ECW Champion and thus securing a shot at the third World Title of the WWE.

I will also mark out for Christian when he wins said World Championship, and his stock in the company continues to rise.
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They should just bring back the Cruiserweight title and have it defended on ECW
I don't know. I still think that guys like Evan Bourne would be lost in a Cruiserweight Division if it returned. Before he was injured, Bourne was chasing the ECW Championship. It also looks like he could be one of the featured highlights of the Money in the Bank Ladder Match this year. I can't see that happening if he is Cruiserweight Champion, wrestling Jimmy Wang Yang on the pre-show of any other PPV.
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What is the point of hyping? What good would it actually do?
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What good would hyping Christian's return have actually done?
This question has seriously been bothering me. Not just because it is from noid, but because it ignore the basic function of the business. It ignores the fact that wrestling is indeed a business.

The entire point of wrestling, from the business stand point, is to make money. How do they make money, by promoting matches which in turn sells seats, ppv, and add space. How do you promote a match? The most common way is by promoting the individuals in the match, making people aware that they exist, and making them seem larger than life. Which explains why they make all those video packages, have all those fire works, and spend time writing stories and doing interviews and well basically everything they do. Infact WWE, the actual company really should be looked as a marketing agency, also so should TNA.

So really does anyone disagree with me? Does anyone think wrestling isn't a business and they shouldn't be promoting events, wrestlers, matches, returns and so forth in an effort to drive up ratings, ppv buys, and ticket sales?
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Oh My God. Tell me he didn't actually say that.
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Noid really did say that.
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That's like...Wrestling 101.
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Yeah obviously, promotion is a big part of any business.

I like the shock value wrestling has at times. It was more prevalant during the Monday Night Wars though but I welcome stuff like the Christian return.
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If Christian's return was on Raw, PPV or possible Smackdown it would have been shock value. But no one watches ECW, therefore no one was able to be shocked.

Also, back in the Monday Night Wars period, there was record ratings already, but they had to keep being over the top, big shocks, and suprise returns, so it made sence back then. But in today's era of Cena wins, HHH wins, Undertaker wins, and title matches are only ever on PPV, people aren't expecting a shock every time, they are expecting the same old same old. So for most people Christian's return will slip under the radar.

In a few weeks people will be flipping channels ona tuesday night and see Christian. They will wonder to themselves, when did he come back, I wonder if it was cool. Ah well, it is just Christain. Then flip to the next channel.
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BTW, on the bright side, Christian can cut a great promo. Maybe, just maybe he can teach Swagger (who for the record is not good on the mic) how to cut a promo.
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Yeah obviously, promotion is a big part of any business.

I like the shock value wrestling has at times. It was more prevalant during the Monday Night Wars though but I welcome stuff like the Christian return.
The Attitude Era could get away with it because people were watching expecting to be surprised. The MNW period, especially, because it was "Who could one up who."

That still doesn't change the fact that promoting Christian would have easily provided a benefit.
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Everybody was shocked the he returned on ECW instead of Raw

The same old gets boring fast and in the age of internet spoilers some of the best bits about wrestling has been lost. Let's face it, the first Nitro starting the war was based on shock value. You could say a lot of what we see today is based on shock value in one way or another, we tune in because we want to see the unexpected or at least a large part of the audience does.

They needed to do something with ECW because it wasn't really taken seriously to the point where a lot of posters were suggesting it isn't 'cannon'. It's being discussed a bit more now, maybe they can continue to build it up.
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The Attitude Era could get away with it because people were watching expecting to be surprised. The MNW period, especially, because it was "Who could one up who."

That still doesn't change the fact that promoting Christian would have easily provided a benefit.
Easily could have. All I'm saying is that it's still nice to have an unannounced surprise every once in a while.
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If they actaully do something to build it up and tell everyone Christian is back, they won't build anything up.
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Easily could have. All I'm saying is that it's still nice to have an unannounced surprise every once in a while.
It would have been nice if they did it on a show people watch.
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If they actaully do something to build it up and tell everyone Christian is back, they won't build anything up.
build it up was relating to ECW the brand
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It would have been nice if they did it on a show people watch.
There's obviously a reason he is on ECW. To be honest, it could be something stupid like he is being 'punished' for the manner in which he left in some strange way.
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Old 02-13-2009, 11:30 AM   #316
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Yeah if you don't learn something from a strong promo guy like Christian, there's something wrong.
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I still stand by my statement. If they don't mention anything about ECW, or just gloss over it, they won't build interest. Also ECW has a limited viewing area. My point is that Christian by himself isn't particularly special, neither is ECW. So buy just having him show up on ECW unannounced is acknowledging his meritocracy. So this act by itself, won't build up ECW. Now if they start promoting his return and the fact anything can happen on ECW, then I'll shut up. But WWE's past treatment of ECW suggest otherwise.
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There's obviously a reason he is on ECW. To be honest, it could be something stupid like he is being 'punished' for the manner in which he left in some strange way.
Yeah, that is another thought.
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Yeah, it could definitely be punishment. I never really thought of it that way until now. Good call.
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I've actaully considered it being that Vince is a carnie, not a businessman.
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