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Old 02-28-2006, 06:52 AM   #41
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Benoit deserves a fucking Oscar if its all a sham. The raw emotion he displayed at the tribute show was intense.
I mentioned this on another board. This is not a work. You know how I can tell... Benoit is NOT that good of an actor.
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Old 02-28-2006, 11:52 AM   #42
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If Eddie's death was staged, you know what I would think? I would GAIN so much respect for WWE it'd be ridiculous. I mean, for Vince to be able to pull off the biggest work of all time, I would bow down to Vince's feet and worship him. That would take such secrecy and cleverness that I would be breathless and speechless. I would not be offended at all. In fact, my hope for WWE would be restored 100%; I mean, if Vince can convince 99.99% of the IWC population that Eddie really did die, then what else could he have us believe? I mean, this IS the era of anti-kayfabe, where what was once thought to have been real, ends up not so, or vice-versa.

Now, please, listen to me. I'm not saying I believe this guy. But WHAT IF it were true? That Vince really did fake Eddie's death? It wouldn't be the first time that the higher-ups fooled the workers to get a real reaction (Eric did the same to make all the guys in the back believe that Ric Flair's on-screen heart attack was, in fact, real, although that was botched and forgotten soon thereafter).

Just think about it for a minute. I for one would not be mad at WWE at all. In fact, I'd be so proud of Vince and co. that I would never doubt Vince again.

The one thing that stuck to my mind was:
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...nor has any death lasted as long with so much TV time and recognition as this one has.
So many things in that article rung true. Two tribute shows? Was Eddie's death that much greater than Pillman's or Owen's? I mean, one could argue that point, for sure, but I'm just seeing too many coincidence brought up in that article.

Geez, now I'm not so sure.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:29 PM   #43
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you honestly i was thinking about this, and it really wouldn't surprise me
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:32 PM   #44
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The thing about the two tribute shows is that they now have two weekly shows. Back then they didn't. (SmackDown! didn't come until mid to late 1999). However, it seemed too perfect that it happened on a day when there was a super show. All the talent was in the same place, and they had both shows being taped that night.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:42 PM   #45
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This thread is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:56 PM   #46
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I think you're giving the WWE too much credit, Mr. Rich.

First of all, if somebody was walking around telling you that Eddie was still alive, what's your first reaction? You're going to say, "Bullshit." and you're going to think that person is fucked up in the head. Since no one would want to believe that the WWE or even Eddie himself would do that sort of thing, there's no chance in hell you are. There's WWE's easy out.

As for the two tribute shows. Well, Eddie died on the day of a Super Show. Why wouldn't they have two tributes? Don't you think it'd be kind of odd (say if you're sitting in the audience) for WWE to have a tribute on one show and not the other? Also, Pillman and Owen died before they had two shows, thus eliminating any reasoning behind having two tributes.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:57 PM   #47
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:05 PM   #48
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I don't remember Eddie's head being bandaged? I kept that SD on tape and on my version anyway, Eddie isn't bandaged and those aren't his last words, on mine, his last words to Batista are 'we're amigos, compardres...'
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:07 PM   #49
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:26 PM   #50
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If the WWE were to have a big comeback like that, don't you think they'd build it up? What's the point of having him come back on a PPV if nobody who cares is watching? It's not like he's coming back on Raw, where you can hear the news and flip the channel or just catch it while channel surfing. If nobody knows about it, it won't draw. If it doesn't draw, it won't make a dime. If it doesn't make any money, why do it?
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:46 PM   #51
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Wooo! This is idiotic. I know there are some morons who watch wrestling, and that it caters to the lesser-intelligent people in the USA, but if you honestly believe that the whole thing is a work, then you are a retard plain and simple and you should be posting here

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Old 02-28-2006, 01:48 PM   #52
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How can you build up a return from the Dead?
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:53 PM   #53
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I have thought about this, but how would WWE explain Vicki etc crying, and how eddie faked his death? Or would we be so thankful he's back, we wouldnt question it? To be honest I dont wanna get my hopes up, Im not saying hes alive nor am I saying he's dead, but I'm afraid I'l Jinx it if I do get my hopes up.
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:02 PM   #54
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I have thought about this, but how would WWE explain Vicki etc crying, and how eddie faked his death? Or would we be so thankful he's back, we wouldnt question it? To be honest I dont wanna get my hopes up, Im not saying hes alive nor am I saying he's dead, but I'm afraid I'l Jinx it if I do get my hopes up.
he's dead, just like Owen. Or maybe Owen will return at wrestlemania because the WWF didn't drag his corpse out so we must assume he is alive. I am usually easy going but if you really think Eddie is alive you must be dumber than a bag of hammers.
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:03 PM   #55
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Eddie Guerrero ended his month-long feud with Rey Mysterio without a single victory. Not one.
False. Eddie beat Rey in there last televised singles, in a steel cage, on the first edition of Friday Night Smackdown.
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:06 PM   #56
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How can you build up a return from the Dead?
That's my point. You really can't, so why even do something like that? It won't make them any money. Plus, sooner or later people will realize that the only reason they're greatful to have the guy back is because you duped them into thinking he was dead in the first place. They'll resent the company for it.
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:35 PM   #57
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actually maybe Owen and Eddie will come back as Zombies!!
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:37 PM   #58
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Vince is even smarter

he faked Hitler's death, and will now bring him back, allign him with Triple H and see if they can finally get Cena some Face pops
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Old 02-28-2006, 02:58 PM   #59
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ddpBANG, you're right, no doubt about it, but I was just saying that IF it were true, I'd be amazed, in a good way, that Vince could've pulled it off. But I honestly doubt it is true. Hence the at the very end of my post.

And Wooo! Flair Wooo!, try not to be an ass. 20 posts and already negative rep? Good job, amigo.
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Old 02-28-2006, 03:10 PM   #60
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You guys are retarded.
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:22 PM   #61
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I can't even read all of that bullshit. Yeah, this is all a fucking ploy, and Eddie Guerrero is still alive.
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:33 PM   #62
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Haven't you ever heard of the Undertaker?
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:35 PM   #63
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:37 PM   #65
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KK set it up, and I knocked it out of the park.
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:48 PM   #66
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i'm not being a ass or anything but what happened at the supershow?
they said they taped it then re-taped it when eddied died...
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:10 PM   #67
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No, the supershow was taped after Eddie's death. Eddie died in the morning of the show. No reason to re-tape anything.

Eddie's death (morning) -> Press conference (afternoon) -> Supershow (night)

Or am I like completely wrong here?
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:16 PM   #68
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If the WWE were to have a big comeback like that, don't you think they'd build it up? What's the point of having him come back on a PPV if nobody who cares is watching?
Well it'd be wrestle mania.
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Yeah, lets say he did come back, before WM23 they'd keep coming back to it and reminding us that 'anything can happen' etc.
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:40 PM   #70
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Eddie is dead.
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Old 02-28-2006, 06:18 PM   #71
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Whoever it was that said that WWE's policy is not to kill off its characters, then how do you explain Al Wilson. And the implication with Paul Bearer and even with Muhammad Hassan was that the "characters" had been killed off, whether they were declared dead or not.

Killing off a WWE character is no different to the death of a character in any other TV show. It's kind of different in that these stars often use their real names and the whole fantasy/reality balance is a bit wobbly, it isn't clearly defined like, for example, a soap opera.

As far as the "fraud" aspect of this thread is concerned, it must surely be fraudulant to sell Eddie Guerrero tribute T-shirts, with the profits allegedly going to his family, if he isn't really dead.

I can see why people can start to believe it's all an angle... it has crossed my mind... but the death was reported by all the mainstream media. Surely at least ONE reporter would have looked into it deep enough to notice if he was actually not dead. Also, the autopsy reports were apparently published.
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Old 02-28-2006, 06:23 PM   #72
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Also you have the fact that Eddie is being inducted into the Hall of Fame, which would either be a genius addition to this angle, or just a plain flat-out tribute to a wrestler who died in his prime.
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But then on the other hand, everyone says how Eddie had been hurt and tired in the weeks leading up to his death. Maybe Vince didn't want Eddie to revert back to the drugs, and so he masterminded this way of giving Eddie time off to heal naturally and return with HUGE controversy and momentum. I guess for every fact that makes me think he could be alive, another makes me truly believe he is dead.

WWE has this week applied their new drugs policy, a reaction to Eddie's death. This means their favourite big guys like Masters and HHH will now have to maintain their physiques WITHOUT any additional, erm, supplements. Which, let's face it, will be very hard to do because people do NOT look like that without 'roids.
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Old 02-28-2006, 07:29 PM   #74
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I'm amazed everyones over looked the fact that, if Eddie was still alive, someone would've noticed him by now.I think it's ridiculous were even discussing this, it's just a discussion started by someone who wanted to sound smart by writing this conspiracy theory.It's sickening if you ask me.
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Old 02-28-2006, 07:48 PM   #75
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I don't really believe he actually IS alive, I'm just exploring the ways in which people can doubt his death. There really is an argument for the fact that, on paper, this could well be a wrestling angle. Even though it isn't.

I think.
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Ok, my viewpoint is this on this issue:

NO, we are not "retarded" or stupid for thinking that the WWE could be pulling the biggest swerve ever in history, regardless of these people who seem to think that if we even hint at considering that it could happen that we don't deserve to be posting here (and THAT has to stop). We're just enertaining the possibility, and YES, the article DOES bring up some good points. Yeah, it also shoots itself in the foot sometimes, but in other cases, it doesn't.

And yeah, we do with that Eddie would still be alive, myself included, but in all likelihood, it isn't going to happen.

HOWEVER, with that being said, look at how the WWE has handled deaths of their own wrestlers as opposed to the Eddie one. Owen is a big one here. They never dragged out his death in such a way as they have for Eddie. But let's go further. Brian Pillman. Sure there was that exploitation by Phil Mushnick that Jim Cornette ranted about later on that month (I think it was that month), and Vince had a candid interview with Melanie Pillman, but that was it. No dragging out of his death to the point that we got sick of hearing it, no repetitive dedications, nothing. The Bulldog didn't get that either, and the majority of his career was spent in the WWF/E. But with Eddie, Vince has insisted in pulling every little thing he can out of his dirty little bag of tricks to exploit the Eddie death. It does seem rather odd. Now again, I'm not agreeing that Eddie is surviving in seclusion somewhere, but I'm not disagreeing with it, either (if that makes sense). In other words, while it does seem POSSIBLE, it's not PROBABLE that such a thing can happen.

Then again, we have seen Vince do much stranger things, and the lows he's gone to are almost too far than he may have hoped to sink, so I wouldn't put it past the WWE to simply TRY to do something like this.

Notherless, the notion that we're all retards for agreeing that it is possible shouldn't be. We were all Eddie fans, and it's just a sign that we want for the impossible to end up happening, not matter how far off that may be.
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That's my point. You really can't, so why even do something like that? It won't make them any money. Plus, sooner or later people will realize that the only reason they're greatful to have the guy back is because you duped them into thinking he was dead in the first place. They'll resent the company for it.
I think a stunt like this would make them money. I don't think they have the wherewithal to pull it off though.

And the last guy to be successfully hyped in an angle like this was Jesus.

Well, Mark Twain counts, sorta.
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