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Old 03-14-2006, 06:54 PM   #121
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"Chain gang", "You can't see me" are bad catchphrases? "You can't see me" isn't about not seeing him it's about him being so good that u can't even see him because he beats u so fast that you don't even see him to know how he beat u.


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Old 03-14-2006, 07:08 PM   #122
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Old 03-14-2006, 07:20 PM   #123
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What's funny is that I'm usually one of the first people to defend Cena, but I really can't see myself lying to support him.
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Old 03-14-2006, 07:22 PM   #124
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All I have said has been the TRUTH. FACE IT.
 
Old 03-14-2006, 07:29 PM   #125
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Apparently, truth is subjective based on how ignorant you are.
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Old 03-14-2006, 07:31 PM   #126
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the original cena was the man, they fucked him over so bad after he got popular on his own, and tried to make him even more popular with their retarded ways

the only reason i am still a mark for him is because of how he was when he first became the heel white rapper

they can still fix him, but it seems like he is just gonna be fed to HHH
Didn't read the rest of thread after this post because it covers my feelings exactly.
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Old 03-14-2006, 07:32 PM   #127
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Purehatred : Oh yeah, resorting to personal insults really shows how mature and smart you are
You whole argument is "I am right you are wrong because I am so smart" guess what that argument does not work. You don't seem to understand the point I am making.
You're not making any salient points. Everything you're saying is nonsense and gibberish. You have no proof or examples to back up your statements. And your examples of CROWD PSYCHOLOGY or BAD APPLES or LAZY CRUISEWEIGHTS are patently ridiculous. Even the most ardent WWE fan wouldn't buy that garbage.

Also, genius, the reason why a lot of companis like the WWE and networks like Spike and multibillion dollar industries like the NFL go so hard after the male ages 17-22 demographic is that its been shown that its one of the key markets in terms of sponsorship.
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Old 03-14-2006, 07:36 PM   #128
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All I have said has been the TRUTH. FACE IT.
No. It's been your opinion. That's all. The ignorant opinion of one hopeless WWE mark who can't get past his own bias to admit that the wrestlers he has a hard-on for are not necessarily the favorite wrestlers of allother fans. Basically, you're saying that if we don't like who you like, then we're wrong. Which is arrogant, shortsighted, and exactly the kind of mentality that got the WWE in its current state.
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Old 03-14-2006, 07:38 PM   #129
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It's thinking like that that's ruining this business, PH.
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Old 03-14-2006, 09:16 PM   #130
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Old 03-14-2006, 09:28 PM   #131
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Old 03-14-2006, 09:28 PM   #132
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No. It's been your opinion. That's all. The ignorant opinion of one hopeless WWE mark who can't get past his own bias to admit that the wrestlers he has a hard-on for are not necessarily the favorite wrestlers of allother fans. Basically, you're saying that if we don't like who you like, then we're wrong. Which is arrogant, shortsighted, and exactly the kind of mentality that got the WWE in its current state.
I couldn't agree more. I think Vermaat is actually Johnny Ace.
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Purehatred : Oh yeah, resorting to personal insults really shows how mature and smart you are
You whole argument is "I am right you are wrong because I am so smart" guess what that argument does not work. You don't seem to understand the point I am making. You might be lacking READING COMPREHENSION And as far as me not understanding the business, WWE is pushing Cena as a face for a long time now. I think people working in WWE, the MOST succesful and BEST wrestling company know a bit more about wrestling then some fan who think it's "cool" too boo the good guy.
This thread isn't about me, this thread is about WRESTLEMANIA, so unless you can adress the points I am making, which you obviously can't, maybe you should go to the WWE chat room and type in "cena sucks" 600 times in a row !!!!!

As far as me not understanding crowd reaction, I think it's you who doesn't understand CROWD PSYCHOLOGY with you denying that a few bad apples sway the crowd !!!! And of course the cruiserweights are lazy. Why would they wrestle very well when they are not in the WWE and come to the WWE and stop? Evil Vince making them? Then why didn't he make Mysterio do it! Because he didn't. They got their place and they got lazy. Why take the riskas anymore? You can just cruze!
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:04 PM   #134
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:08 PM   #135
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Whoever he is, he's definitely one of the guys hired to apologise for shitty booking.
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:15 PM   #136
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Whoever he is, he's definitely one of the guys hired to apologise for shitty booking.
Someone promote him.
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:16 PM   #137
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:38 PM   #138
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:24 PM   #139
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You're not making any salient points. Everything you're saying is nonsense and gibberish. You have no proof or examples to back up your statements. And your examples of CROWD PSYCHOLOGY or BAD APPLES or LAZY CRUISEWEIGHTS are patently ridiculous. Even the most ardent WWE fan wouldn't buy that garbage.

Also, genius, the reason why a lot of companis like the WWE and networks like Spike and multibillion dollar industries like the NFL go so hard after the male ages 17-22 demographic is that its been shown that its one of the key markets in terms of sponsorship.
Just because U say that everything I say is nonsense and gibberish, doesn't make it so, you say it because you know it's the truth and it makes you angry that someone doesn't see things the way you do (in a biased and BUSINESS IGNORANT WAY).

Crowd psychology is true. Do you ever hear the term "started a chant". That's right, a small group in the crowd can "start a chant" and have the rest of the people join in. But it starts in that core group. The rest of the crowd sees it and in order not to be left out even if they don't agree with it they join in. It is called PRESSURE TO CONFORM. research it. A small group of bad apples starts these things and in order to not be left out everyone joins in, thats why it's a fact and any scientist will agree.

Lazy cruiserweights are an observation. You have these cruiserweights who are all great outside the wwe and they come in and they start wrestling poorly. HMMM! Let's see, why did they come to the WWE? Because it was their goal, like the goal of any wrestler to come to the WWE because WWE is the big time. This is where you get paid a lot and get exposure. They did their best to get here and now they get lazy when they do. Lets show an example, if you had to work really hard to get a good job and show how good you are and you worked for like 12 hours a day and then you get the job. Another reason is that they dont want to take the risks. Guys like mysterio do.

Are you still going to work as hard? NO because you already have the job. There is no INCENTIVE to work hard. Same with the cruiserweights. Once they are in the WWE they no longer have the enrthusiasm to put 300% out there and that's why quality drops.

Companies do cater to 17-21 but GUESS WHAT WWE is not football, WWE is wrestling and TRADITIONALLY wrestling has been a fanmily demographic. Look at hulk hogan, he was a traditional face. It was only in the stone cold era that WWE went for this 17-21 demographic but now WWE is taking a different path to sucess. Is 17-21 a good dempographic to target? YES IT IS. Is the family demographic good to target? Yes it is. WWE is just targetting a different demographic, the traditional demographic / TRUE WRESTLING FANS.

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No. It's been your opinion. That's all. The ignorant opinion of one hopeless WWE mark who can't get past his own bias to admit that the wrestlers he has a hard-on for are not necessarily the favorite wrestlers of allother fans. Basically, you're saying that if we don't like who you like, then we're wrong. Which is arrogant, shortsighted, and exactly the kind of mentality that got the WWE in its current state
What you have been saying has been IRRELEVANT FACTS and your opinions and PERSONAL INSULTS. And WWE in it's current state? Well that means all those things are great because WWE is the best and most popular wrestling company, they are the only company in prime time in the U.S.A and they took WCW and ECW OUT OF BUSINESS. Current state? Seems great to me!

Maybe you should drop your opinions and get down to the facts because the facts are INCONSISTENT with your opinions. Face it, WWE is the top company in the wrestling world for a reason. They are just EXPANDING their demographic with John Cena. They still have character that go with the 17-21demographic like Finlay and RVD, but they have also expanded. That is smart. Heck, if people ran the WWE the way you want to it would FAIL with champs like RVD or something (look at ECW).
 
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This is example to the maturity level of the kind of fans that boo cena. WWE should not cater to such immature viewers !!!!!
 
Old 03-15-2006, 04:41 PM   #142
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yea because an annoying white guy who thinks he can rap and isn't funny is going to attract mature viewers
 
Old 03-15-2006, 04:46 PM   #143
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This is example to the maturity level of the kind of fans that boo cena. WWE should not cater to such immature viewers !!!!!
You are an example of what is wrong with the world... please kill yourself now... thank you!
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:46 PM   #144
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Interesting point of fact: Starting a chant is easy if the audience is ambivalent or presdisposed.

For example, starting "we want tables" is easy, in a tables match, or when the Dudley Boys/Team 3D are in a match. Chanting "Taker sucks" is nigh on impossible to pull off.

I've tried starting some chants for the Hell of it, and it just doesn't work if you're going against the grain.

Booing and popping work the same way.
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This is example to the maturity level of the kind of fans that boo cena. WWE should not cater to such immature viewers !!!!!
Yeah, they should cater to 13 year olds and retarded "adults" who pretend that if they ignore the vast number of people who dislike Cena, that they don't exist.
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And of course the cruiserweights are lazy. Why would they wrestle very well when they are not in the WWE and come to the WWE and stop? Evil Vince making them? Then why didn't he make Mysterio do it! Because he didn't. They got their place and they got lazy. Why take the riskas anymore? You can just cruze!
See, this is where you come across as a delusional, brainwashed WWE fanboy. It's a fact that Vince banned alot of the high risk moves that the Cruiser's use (ask Paul London) and it's a FACT that wrestlers really have little control over the move sets booked in their matches. That's not laziness, they really don't have a choice. You make these comments/ opinions of yours like they are scientifically proven to be correct, when in fact you're 100% wrong. You can make all the longwinded, rambling, nonsensical posts in the world...but it's not gonna change the fact that your...
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Yeah one or two guys can't get the crowd to chant, but a small group of disgruntled bored guys who think "its cool" to screw up the reaction on T.V can certainly do enough to 1. OUTSHOUT those that are doing the right reaction and 2. PRESSURE THE others to join.

It's A RUMOR that Vince restricted some moves, but let's think about it shall we. 1. It is a rumor, and not a fact. Just because a wrestler says its true, it's not an indicator until the WWE releases an official statement. 2. Even if true, like with the pile driver, these moves haven't been banned, they have been restricted to be used only on occasion and superstars that can perform them safely. Obviously Paul London has not been doing them safely. And there are ways to be good in the ring without these dangerous moves, look at Rey Mysterio, he has the 6-1-9 which is not as dangerous as these moves but is still innovative and fun to watch. There is a difference between a move that is good because it is innovative and fun to watch and a move that's good because it puts everyone in DANGER.
 
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the 619 is the weakest looking signature move ever.. how does it put anyone in danger..
 
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Yeah one or two guys can't get the crowd to chant, but a small group of disgruntled bored guys who think "its cool" to screw up the reaction on T.V can certainly do enough to 1. OUTSHOUT those that are doing the right reaction and 2. PRESSURE THE others to join.
Yeah, it's peer pressure! That's it!
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Yeah one or two guys can't get the crowd to chant, but a small group of disgruntled bored guys who think "its cool" to screw up the reaction on T.V can certainly do enough to 1. OUTSHOUT those that are doing the right reaction and 2. PRESSURE THE others to join.
You're an idiot... IT ISN'T A SMALL GROUP FUCKHEAD!!! The general opinion is that Cena sucks! And as much as I don't think it's his fault it's the way he's booked, you CAN'T blame the crowd for it, they paid for their ticket and can chant whatever they fucking want to. And a WHOLE FUCKING LOT OF THEM are chanting "Cena Sucks!" or Booing him!
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It's A RUMOR that Vince restricted some moves, but let's think about it shall we. 1. It is a rumor, and not a fact. Just because a wrestler says its true, it's not an indicator until the WWE releases an official statement. 2. Even if true, like with the pile driver, these moves haven't been banned, they have been restricted to be used only on occasion and superstars that can perform them safely. Obviously Paul London has not been doing them safely. And there are ways to be good in the ring without these dangerous moves, look at Rey Mysterio, he has the 6-1-9 which is not as dangerous as these moves but is still innovative and fun to watch. There is a difference between a move that is good because it is innovative and fun to watch and a move that's good because it puts everyone in DANGER.
WWE aren't going to release an official statement fuckhead, do you buy everything they want you to? They toned down the cruiserweights to attempt to avoid injuries... Although it's ridiculous... and the 6-1-9 while it may be innovative is a really stupid and unrealistic move... again I think you should kill yourself
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Old 03-15-2006, 05:16 PM   #152
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the 619 is the weakest looking signature move ever.. how does it put anyone in danger..
That's my point it is a safe and exciting move. Maybe these "poor" cruiserweights should stop being lazy and use some innovative moves that are safe or GASP come up with some innovative moves and bring them in like Mysterio did.

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You're an idiot... IT ISN'T A SMALL GROUP FUCKHEAD!!! The general opinion is that Cena sucks! And as much as I don't think it's his fault it's the way he's booked, you CAN'T blame the crowd for it, they paid for their ticket and can chant whatever they fucking want to. And a WHOLE FUCKING LOT OF THEM are chanting "Cena Sucks!" or Booing him!
You're right it's not a small group...but it STARTS with a small group and they pressure the others to join them and outshout them if needed and then next time after fans see it on T.V they copy it and that small groups grows just because some guys want to be seen as "cool" but it all starts out in a small group.

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WWE aren't going to release an official statement fuckhead, do you buy everything they want you to? They toned down the cruiserweights to attempt to avoid injuries... Although it's ridiculous... and the 6-1-9 while it may be innovative is a really stupid and unrealistic move... again I think you should kill yourself
That makes sense, they limited the dangerous moves and especially for those performers who are dangerous. You can be innovative and exciting without being dangerous and it makes sense, WWE does not want half the roster on the shelf just because some cruiserweights can't come up with SAFE moves.

And 6-1-9 unrealistic? Well wrestling is unrealistic. Stupid? YOU go and try to pull it off. It's not stupid because it takes a lot of skill to do it and it gets a great reaction. If you call the 6-1-9 stupid you might as well call the rockbottom and the stunner stupid.

And me kill myself? well I suggest you GROW UP
 
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So if it takes a lot of skill to do something, it's not stupid?

Wow. Compelling argument.
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And 6-1-9 unrealistic? Well wrestling is unrealistic. Stupid? YOU go and try to pull it off. It's not stupid because it takes a lot of skill to do it and it gets a great reaction. If you call the 6-1-9 stupid you might as well call the rockbottom and the stunner stupid.

And me kill myself? well I suggest you GROW UP
How can you even compare the Stunner or Rock Bottom to the 619? The 619 is a fancy kick followed by a sitting senton, that's it. The Stunner and Rock Bottom actually LOOK like they have impact (and they can have impact legitimately, but that's the beside the point). The 619 looks fucking weak, even for his size.
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How can you even compare the Stunner or Rock Bottom to the 619? The 619 is a fancy kick followed by a sitting senton, that's it. The Stunner and Rock Bottom actually LOOK like they have impact (and they can have impact legitimately, but that's the beside the point). The 619 looks fucking weak, even for his size.
And it doesn't look that good on anyone over a buck-fifty.

The Rock Bottom and Stone Cold Stunner aren't powerful looking finishers, but can be done on ANYONE. They'll look sloppy on someone who doesn't sell, and they'll be harder to make look good on someone Show's size, but realistically, almost all moves are.
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How can you even compare the Stunner or Rock Bottom to the 619? The 619 is a fancy kick followed by a sitting senton, that's it. The Stunner and Rock Bottom actually LOOK like they have impact (and they can have impact legitimately, but that's the beside the point). The 619 looks fucking weak, even for his size.
The 6-1-9 is a CRUISERWEIGHT move so it can't have the same type of impact as a Rock Bottom, but it can be compared because it HAS impact, it's a trademark move and it's INNOVATIVE. 6-1-9 is a kick to the head that doesn't have impact? That's weak? lol !!!! I think a kick to the head has more impact then being dropped on your back like rock bottom. Face it, your dislike of rey mysterio for his desire does not make his moves any less innovative then they already are.
 
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You're right it's not a small group...but it STARTS with a small group and they pressure the others to join them and outshout them if needed and then next time after fans see it on T.V they copy it and that small groups grows just because some guys want to be seen as "cool" but it all starts out in a small group.
Seeing you say this is starting to annoy me. Have you been to a wrestling show before? Just because other people are chanting a certain phrase or whatever doesn't mean you're 'pressured' into it, it's not like they're bullying people into it. People hate cena, ALOT of people. I'm not going to speak for why everyone else hates him, but personally I find the guy to be very unentertaining and annoying, I don't care what gimmick he's in.

Btw, How does booing a face make you look "cool"?
 
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Who said I disliked Mysterio? I'm only SAYING that his FINISHER looks WEAK.

Wow, a kick to the face, REALLY innovative. He's not the first one TO do the round-about. He may BE the first to use it as a MOVE (inside THE ring), BUT the fake DIVE is nothing new.
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It's A RUMOR that Vince restricted some moves, but let's think about it shall we. 1. It is a rumor, and not a fact. Just because a wrestler says its true, it's not an indicator until the WWE releases an official statement.
This just proves the point that you're a brainwashed fanboy. "OMG~! Nothing is true unless it's in an official WWE statement!" Because lord knows, WWE would never want to hide the truth from the public or it's fans.

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And there are ways to be good in the ring without these dangerous moves, look at Rey Mysterio, he has the 6-1-9 which is not as dangerous as these moves but is still innovative and fun to watch.
This coming from someone who thinks Cena is a good in ring performer. Before you state your opinion as fact AGAIN, why don't you watch One Night Stand and see how much the crowd thinks Rey's 6-1-9 is innovative and fun to watch.

I still totally don't understand your thinking in your "Cruiserweights are lazy" argument when you say that "they got their place in WWE, so why do anymore high risk moves?" You do know that the matches are scripted ahead of time by writers right? THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER TO DO THESE HIGH RISK MOVES OR NOT! If you've ever seen Rey wrestle in any other company other than WWE, you'd see that WWE has toned his high risk moves WAY DOWN, so you're counter arguement that "WWE doesn't tone Rey down, so all the other cruiser's must be lazy" is 100% Grade A donkey shit.
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