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**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-06-2006, 07:42 PM

Voted for Liriano and Mr. Nomar Garciapara

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-06-2006, 08:10 PM

AJ and Nomar ended up getting it. Liriano could get on if a pitcher drops out, but last I heard if any player at ANY position drops out, Ozzie is bringing Joe Crede

Smart move

**BCWWF** · 07-06-2006, 09:48 PM

So does that mean that Magglio is already replacing Manny?

I thought Crede should have made the team ahead of Glaus anyway, but what can you do I guess.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-06-2006, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer

So your answer is "because"

ROFL

**OssMan** · 07-06-2006, 11:36 PM

7 White Sox going this year. The year that they took away the vote from the fans was the year that the NL All Star team was the entire Cincinnatti Reds lineup. I hope they take away the fan's vote again, but that will never happen.

**MVP** · 07-07-2006, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Don't even give me that "that's how Ozzie would like it" shit. No one bitched and moaned when Torre would do that every year.

Hi, Red Sox fan here

**The Outlaw** · 07-09-2006, 01:40 PM

Wow, Liriano didn't make it?

I change my vote for biggest robbery.

**The Outlaw** · 07-09-2006, 01:40 PM

National League fans knows whats up.

NOMAAAAAAAAAAAA

**ct2k** · 07-09-2006, 01:54 PM

I can't believe AJ Pierfuckingzysnki got it ahead of Liriano...Above average catcher over rookie phenom pitcher

**Joey Slugs** · 07-09-2006, 02:20 PM

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

suckers.

**The Miz** · 07-09-2006, 02:24 PM

What's funnier is that Liriano is so much better than all of Chicago's "5 potential 20-game winners" it's ridiculous

**Joey Slugs** · 07-09-2006, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

What's funnier is that Liriano is so much better than all of Chicago's "5 potential 20-game winners" it's ridiculous

Say what you want.... The White Sox are defending champs and Liriano's Twins are fading. I could care less who he's better than right now. Arguement is over... AJ's in, Liriano's out.

**The Miz** · 07-09-2006, 02:33 PM

The White Sox winning the 2005 World Series has exactly what to do with Liriano vs. Pierzynski in 2006? And I guess it's Liriano's fault the Twins are fading when he starts every 5th game.

You know Liriano is better than AJ and all 5 of your starters so what is your point? "The Whie Sox won the World Series last year" is not an acceptable answer

**Joey Slugs** · 07-09-2006, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

You know Liriano is better than AJ and all 5 of your starters so what is your point? "The Whie Sox won the World Series last year" is not an acceptable answer

Better than all 5 of our starters? Based on what? At the moment stats?

Please. When the game is on the line I'd take one of our guys over some flash in the pan rookie anyday.

I've have this arguement when he has about 5 years of wear and tear under his belt.

**Ruby** · 07-09-2006, 04:22 PM

Punch AJ

**The Outlaw** · 07-09-2006, 05:56 PM

Yeah, most of the time we do base stuff on current stats.

**The Miz** · 07-09-2006, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Better than all 5 of our starters? Based on what? At the moment stats?

Please. When the game is on the line I'd take one of our guys over some flash in the pan rookie anyday.

I've have this arguement when he has about 5 years of wear and tear under his belt.

The Minnesota Twins won the World Series in 1987

**ct2k** · 07-09-2006, 06:00 PM

Ugh at the end of the day, who would rather see AJ (i wish i could punch him) possibly catch for an inning and take one at-bat, or Liriano show his stuff?

**Ruby** · 07-09-2006, 10:53 PM

Hard to argue with that logic.

**Joey Slugs** · 07-09-2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct2k

Ugh at the end of the day, who would rather see AJ (i wish i could punch him) possibly catch for an inning and take one at-bat, or Liriano show his stuff?

Liriano would pitch for what? MAYBE an inning? AJ could have the chance of being a late inning defensive replacement and maybe go on to get a game winning hit. Might even make him MVP. Who knows.

Really doesn't matter anymore does it?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-10-2006, 12:13 AM

Liriano is the best pitcher in the majors right now, thats why it does matter that he is not in the All Star game. How it even came down to a "last man" vote is ridiculous, so what if he hasn't made 15 starts? He has 9 (pretty sure its 9) wins with an ERA under 2.

Good thing Mark Buehrle and his 4.02 ERA made it though, cuz I know I can't name five pitchers in the American League right now that deserved the spot more than him...

**Joey Slugs** · 07-10-2006, 03:42 AM

You'll never hear me say that Buehrle should be on the All Star roster this year.

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 05:16 AM

lol I like the argument of what his role will be in the game. He'll probably only pitch an inning so he doesn't deserve it. We should probably invite Sandy Alomar Jr. to the all-star game, he's been the best pinch hitter in the game. Also Scott Sauerbeck is just deadly against lefties

**ct2k** · 07-10-2006, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

Liriano would pitch for what? MAYBE an inning? AJ could have the chance of being a late inning defensive replacement and maybe go on to get a game winning hit. Might even make him MVP. Who knows.

Really doesn't matter anymore does it?

Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe. Why's a maybe for AJ so different to a maybe for Liriano?

AJ could be a late inning defensive replacement sure, but then Liriano could come in with no outs, bases loaded and Albert Pujols at the plate, pitch a perfect inning with 3K's and then bring Ted Williams back from the dead, its all maybes at the end of the day

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 08:00 AM

Irrelevant

Liriano > Pierzynski, thats all that matters. The All-Star team is selected based on which players have had the strongest first-halves, not on who you think will have a bigger impact on the game

**ct2k** · 07-10-2006, 08:40 AM

That argument fell flat on Slugs the first time what makes you think it'll work a second time

To be fair the all star is always going to be a popularity contest, being able to vote up to 25 times doesn't help, i personally only vote once but i can imagine a lot of fanatical supporters do it all 25 times.

The only reason Liriano isn't there is because he's a Twin imo, not enough exposure, if he was on sunday night baseball every few weeks and people were seeing what he does for real, he'd be there, as it is AJ was on an historic world series winning team and plays in Southern California, nuf said

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 08:57 AM

Chicago isn't quite Southern California but yeah. Playing in SoCal would actually hurt him because according to ESPN no teams west of the Mississippi exist

**ct2k** · 07-10-2006, 09:05 AM

I was thinking about Vlad Guerrero at the same time for some reason and i managed to put AJ in an Angels uniform in my head

**BCWWF** · 07-10-2006, 03:29 PM

Chicago is the third biggest media market in the US though, so if they get some people behind AJ then he's got a good shot at getting in. What is kind of surprising though, it was obviously going to come down to a race between Liriano and AJ, but I swear nobody liked AJ outside of South Side Chicago and Minnesota. Obviously the people in Minnesota are voting for their current player rather than the former, so who else is voting for AJ?

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 03:31 PM

Casual fans, they don't know who Liriano is and they remember A.J. for the Josh Paul incident/Michael Barrett incident

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-10-2006, 03:43 PM

MLB needs to make up its mind and admit that the All Star game doesn't matter. I think they overreacted when the game ended in a tie a few years ago. "This one counts!" Shut the fuck up, no it doesnt. You let fans vote for the starters, most fans are going to vote for their favorite players, not some player they've probably heard little about playing thousands miles away even if that player is better. I think the entire roster should be selected by allowing every major league player to vote, I feel that'd be pretty fair and I cannot see players voting for dudes from their own team since I doubt most players are really that "tight" anyways (due to the constant roster turnover) And even if guys where voting with a biased view, I think they'd be in the minority so the right guy would still make it the majority of the time.

Listening to nationl radio, and they where dogging on Manny Ramirez. Understandable from the stand point that he was the top vote getter and should play, seeing how they don't feel he is really injuried (Neither do I) but then they were stressing the point about how he needs to be there to help his team win because the "this game counts." If this game counts then why is Ivan Rodriquez the starting catcher for the American League? Why isn't Liriano on the pitching staff? MLB needs to drop this "This Game Counts!!!" bullshit and just let it be known to pitchers that just because you made the team doesn't automatically mean you'll get a chance to pitch, or maybe carry an extra pitcher or something to avoid what happened a few years ago. The "This game counts" thing isn't even a fix to the problem from before, they could still very easily run out of pitchers if the game is tied so it is completely useless.

**OssMan** · 07-10-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

Chicago isn't quite Southern California but yeah. Playing in SoCal would actually hurt him because according to ESPN no teams west of the Mississippi exist

Barry Bonds

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 04:18 PM

I think the players voting would be better, but still not that great. I do think guys would vote for their teammates though, they don't exactly have the free time to look at stats that we do and they know their guys a lot better than the guys they play once every few weeks.

There isn't really a good way to pick the teams, unless they put The Miz in charge, then they'd be flawless

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AssMan

Barry Bonds

Like I said, no teams west of the Mississippi. They care about Bonds, not the team he's on. What team is he on anyway?

**BCWWF** · 07-10-2006, 04:42 PM

There was something that I was reading at one point, don't know where, but it was talking about the results of the players vote. The example they showed was that in the AL third base category, Troy Glaus and Eric Chavez were voted top and A-Rod third. Not implying anything because I don't really know, but just an example if you want to make a case for players voting.

**ct2k** · 07-10-2006, 06:09 PM

I think the All Star is cool, but really the only sport where its garaunteed to produce fireworks is in the NBA...generally

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-10-2006, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

Like I said, no teams west of the Mississippi. They care about Bonds, not the team he's on. What team is he on anyway?

I dunno, I hear this a lot from people on who live on the West Coast but I hear a n awful lot about the Oakland A's and how they were projected to win 100 games this seasons.

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 08:11 PM

lol an awful lot. They were a trendy pick pre-season and Harold Reynolds picked Bobby Crosby for MVP, but that's it, and you know it. They're still the last team to get their games shown on SportsCenter regardless of how good or bad they're playing. Also, I'm sure you're aware that they're by far the most injured team in baseball. No? That's because ESPN never talks about them, the Rangers, the Dbacks, the Dodgers, or anyone else. They should the game highlight and thats it.

So far they have missed significant time from:

Huston Street
Justin Duchscherer
Rich Harden
Eric Chavez
Frank Thomas
Mark Ellis
Joe Kennedy
Milton Bradley
Esteban Loaiza
Jay Witasick

But I'm sure most teams in baseball would still be over .500 having played with less than 75% of their team the first half of the year

**BCWWF** · 07-10-2006, 08:17 PM

Well according to Michael Smith, the Yankees have been the most impressive team up to this point because of how they overcame the injury and Randy Johnson sucking problems. So there goes your argument The Miz.

**The Miz** · 07-10-2006, 08:18 PM

I don't believe it until I hear it from Skip Bayless

07-06-2006, 07:42 PM	#41
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Voted for Liriano and Mr. Nomar Garciapara

07-06-2006, 08:10 PM	#42
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	AJ and Nomar ended up getting it. Liriano could get on if a pitcher drops out, but last I heard if any player at ANY position drops out, Ozzie is bringing Joe Crede Smart move

07-06-2006, 09:48 PM	#43
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	So does that mean that Magglio is already replacing Manny? I thought Crede should have made the team ahead of Glaus anyway, but what can you do I guess.

07-06-2006, 11:36 PM	#45
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,537	7 White Sox going this year. The year that they took away the vote from the fans was the year that the NL All Star team was the entire Cincinnatti Reds lineup. I hope they take away the fan's vote again, but that will never happen.

07-09-2006, 01:40 PM	#47
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Wow, Liriano didn't make it? I change my vote for biggest robbery.

07-09-2006, 01:54 PM	#49
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	I can't believe AJ Pierfuckingzysnki got it ahead of Liriano...Above average catcher over rookie phenom pitcher

07-09-2006, 02:20 PM	#50
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! suckers.

07-09-2006, 02:24 PM	#51
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	What's funnier is that Liriano is so much better than all of Chicago's "5 potential 20-game winners" it's ridiculous

07-09-2006, 02:33 PM	#53
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	The White Sox winning the 2005 World Series has exactly what to do with Liriano vs. Pierzynski in 2006? And I guess it's Liriano's fault the Twins are fading when he starts every 5th game. You know Liriano is better than AJ and all 5 of your starters so what is your point? "The Whie Sox won the World Series last year" is not an acceptable answer

07-09-2006, 05:56 PM	#56
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah, most of the time we do base stuff on current stats.

07-09-2006, 06:00 PM	#58
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Ugh at the end of the day, who would rather see AJ (i wish i could punch him) possibly catch for an inning and take one at-bat, or Liriano show his stuff?

07-09-2006, 10:53 PM	#59
Ruby Member Posts: 172	Hard to argue with that logic.

07-10-2006, 12:13 AM	#61
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Liriano is the best pitcher in the majors right now, thats why it does matter that he is not in the All Star game. How it even came down to a "last man" vote is ridiculous, so what if he hasn't made 15 starts? He has 9 (pretty sure its 9) wins with an ERA under 2. Good thing Mark Buehrle and his 4.02 ERA made it though, cuz I know I can't name five pitchers in the American League right now that deserved the spot more than him...

07-10-2006, 03:42 AM	#62
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	You'll never hear me say that Buehrle should be on the All Star roster this year.

07-10-2006, 05:16 AM	#63
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	lol I like the argument of what his role will be in the game. He'll probably only pitch an inning so he doesn't deserve it. We should probably invite Sandy Alomar Jr. to the all-star game, he's been the best pinch hitter in the game. Also Scott Sauerbeck is just deadly against lefties

07-10-2006, 08:00 AM	#65
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Irrelevant Liriano > Pierzynski, thats all that matters. The All-Star team is selected based on which players have had the strongest first-halves, not on who you think will have a bigger impact on the game

07-10-2006, 08:40 AM	#66
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	That argument fell flat on Slugs the first time what makes you think it'll work a second time To be fair the all star is always going to be a popularity contest, being able to vote up to 25 times doesn't help, i personally only vote once but i can imagine a lot of fanatical supporters do it all 25 times. The only reason Liriano isn't there is because he's a Twin imo, not enough exposure, if he was on sunday night baseball every few weeks and people were seeing what he does for real, he'd be there, as it is AJ was on an historic world series winning team and plays in Southern California, nuf said

07-10-2006, 08:57 AM	#67
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Chicago isn't quite Southern California but yeah. Playing in SoCal would actually hurt him because according to ESPN no teams west of the Mississippi exist

07-10-2006, 09:05 AM	#68
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	I was thinking about Vlad Guerrero at the same time for some reason and i managed to put AJ in an Angels uniform in my head

07-10-2006, 03:29 PM	#69
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Chicago is the third biggest media market in the US though, so if they get some people behind AJ then he's got a good shot at getting in. What is kind of surprising though, it was obviously going to come down to a race between Liriano and AJ, but I swear nobody liked AJ outside of South Side Chicago and Minnesota. Obviously the people in Minnesota are voting for their current player rather than the former, so who else is voting for AJ?

07-10-2006, 03:31 PM	#70
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Casual fans, they don't know who Liriano is and they remember A.J. for the Josh Paul incident/Michael Barrett incident

07-10-2006, 03:43 PM	#71
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	MLB needs to make up its mind and admit that the All Star game doesn't matter. I think they overreacted when the game ended in a tie a few years ago. "This one counts!" Shut the fuck up, no it doesnt. You let fans vote for the starters, most fans are going to vote for their favorite players, not some player they've probably heard little about playing thousands miles away even if that player is better. I think the entire roster should be selected by allowing every major league player to vote, I feel that'd be pretty fair and I cannot see players voting for dudes from their own team since I doubt most players are really that "tight" anyways (due to the constant roster turnover) And even if guys where voting with a biased view, I think they'd be in the minority so the right guy would still make it the majority of the time. Listening to nationl radio, and they where dogging on Manny Ramirez. Understandable from the stand point that he was the top vote getter and should play, seeing how they don't feel he is really injuried (Neither do I) but then they were stressing the point about how he needs to be there to help his team win because the "this game counts." If this game counts then why is Ivan Rodriquez the starting catcher for the American League? Why isn't Liriano on the pitching staff? MLB needs to drop this "This Game Counts!!!" bullshit and just let it be known to pitchers that just because you made the team doesn't automatically mean you'll get a chance to pitch, or maybe carry an extra pitcher or something to avoid what happened a few years ago. The "This game counts" thing isn't even a fix to the problem from before, they could still very easily run out of pitchers if the game is tied so it is completely useless.

07-10-2006, 04:18 PM	#73
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I think the players voting would be better, but still not that great. I do think guys would vote for their teammates though, they don't exactly have the free time to look at stats that we do and they know their guys a lot better than the guys they play once every few weeks. There isn't really a good way to pick the teams, unless they put The Miz in charge, then they'd be flawless

07-10-2006, 04:42 PM	#75
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	There was something that I was reading at one point, don't know where, but it was talking about the results of the players vote. The example they showed was that in the AL third base category, Troy Glaus and Eric Chavez were voted top and A-Rod third. Not implying anything because I don't really know, but just an example if you want to make a case for players voting.

07-10-2006, 06:09 PM	#76
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	I think the All Star is cool, but really the only sport where its garaunteed to produce fireworks is in the NBA...generally

07-10-2006, 08:11 PM	#78
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	lol an awful lot. They were a trendy pick pre-season and Harold Reynolds picked Bobby Crosby for MVP, but that's it, and you know it. They're still the last team to get their games shown on SportsCenter regardless of how good or bad they're playing. Also, I'm sure you're aware that they're by far the most injured team in baseball. No? That's because ESPN never talks about them, the Rangers, the Dbacks, the Dodgers, or anyone else. They should the game highlight and thats it. So far they have missed significant time from: Huston Street Justin Duchscherer Rich Harden Eric Chavez Frank Thomas Mark Ellis Joe Kennedy Milton Bradley Esteban Loaiza Jay Witasick But I'm sure most teams in baseball would still be over .500 having played with less than 75% of their team the first half of the year

07-10-2006, 08:17 PM	#79
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Well according to Michael Smith, the Yankees have been the most impressive team up to this point because of how they overcame the injury and Randy Johnson sucking problems. So there goes your argument The Miz.

07-10-2006, 08:18 PM	#80
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I don't believe it until I hear it from Skip Bayless