This new ECW is a FAILURE

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Vermaat The reason I'm not seeing it is because it's not there. It's just empty rambling from you, you haven't pointed out a real contradiction.

That's the "just because you say it doesn't exist" part.

See, several people have tried to explain it to you. You can't even just pin it on me.

Just because you don't do it, doesn't mean its "out of the picture". ECW did some more violent things, they just haven't got to it yet. If ECW was still around, you bet they would have had at least one such match.

It was pretty clear if you watched ECW that this isn't the case. You apparently want to pretend you watched it, but I'd say that wasn't the case.

And where did he say that ECW was not extreme? The E in ECW disagrees with you. Extreme is in the name of ECW. EXTREME is E C W.

Nice try at changing the language. You're trying to use extreme instead of hardcore. However, since HEyman has, multiple times, pointed the focus was on the talent, not the extreme...

UH HUH, especially after I point out to you that I adressed it, and YOU STILL don't see it. Sure thing. It's not my fault you don't know the refresh button.

No. Isee what you're TRYING to say. It just doesn't work that way. Again, not my fault you cannot comprehend the nature of the internet.

Yes, TNA doesn't pay like WWE. Valid point. HOWEVER, this doesn't negate my point.

It makes your point logically incongruous.

Well, it was in the first place, this just highlights the elephant in the room.

They are innovators because they are putting these matches when most are not. Innovation is not just about being first, it's also about pushing something that others don't. CZW isn't afraid of doing REAL hardcore matches and their wrestlers aren't afraid either. They are HARDCORE, not "fake" Hardcore like the new ECW.

Actually, innovation is about developing something new.

Too bad you fail at the English language.

If it's not, why is everyone constantly flooding me with names of technical wrestlers in ECW?

Uhhhh...Because you equated ECW with CZW? Insisted that the show was about hardcore? About extreme? That you can't call yourself an ECW fan if you weren't a fan of hardcore? And they're demonstrating that these numerous statements are false by indicating otherwise?

It's called LOGIC. If you can't comprehend that this is simply a counter to many of your bullshit statements about what ECW was, then you have no right to preach to people about their thought process.

That's the "just because you say it doesn't exist" part.

You FAILED to point out a contradictions. You just thought you did, you have no point here.There was not a contradiction, just your lack of comprehension.

It was pretty clear if you watched ECW that this isn't the case. You apparently want to pretend you watched it, but I'd say that wasn't the case.

I'm not pretending, I watched some of it. Not saying I watched it hardcore, how could you watch anything hardcore besides WWE in the attitude era and call yourself a wrestling fan, I dont know. But I caught some of it, some of the best stuff and I ECW built its name on hardcore.

Nice try at changing the language. You're trying to use extreme instead of hardcore. However, since HEyman has, multiple times, pointed the focus was on the talent, not the extreme...

Extreme is hardcore. Hardcore is Extreme. The focus was on the talent and a good part of the talent was EXTREME. Thus the focus was on how extreme the talent is. No one called it Technical Championship Wrestling, it was EXTREME championship wrestling. No one stressed how many moves Dean malenko knew, but they did stress the SUICIDAL GENOCIDAL Sabu...HARDCORE EXTREME things.

No. Isee what you're TRYING to say. It just doesn't work that way. Again, not my fault you cannot comprehend the nature of the internet.

The nature of the internet? Now you're just saying nonsense. You missed a point I made because you don't know how to refresh a page. Okay. I POINT THAT OUT TO YOU THE POINT you missed and you refuse to acknowledge it. This is NOT ho discussion works.

It makes your point logically incongruous.

Nice way at ignoring my valid point. Sorry that my point still stands and you have nothing to say.

Actually, innovation is about developing something new.

And PART of developing something new is promoting it. If you make the lightbulb and don't tell anyone about it, that's not an innovation to society, it's nothing. Part of innovation is PROMOTING it and that's what CZW does by making lightbulb matches a focus of it's company.

Uhhhh...Because you equated ECW with CZW? Insisted that the show was about hardcore? About extreme? That you can't call yourself an ECW fan if you weren't a fan of hardcore? And they're demonstrating that these numerous statements are false by indicating otherwise?

Easy comparision. Both are hardcore and extreme.

It's called LOGIC. If you can't comprehend that this is simply a counter to many of your bullshit statements about what ECW was, then you have no right to preach to people about their thought process.

You're the one LACKING logic because you can't understand that a company with EXTREME in it's NAME is going to be about EXTREME.

[Just John]

damn, I just wanna stab you in the neck with a pencil.

[Kane Knight]

I know he's banned, but I was planning on answering this later, and dammit, I'm gonna have me some fun.

Originally Posted by Vermaat You FAILED to point out a contradictions. You just thought you did, you have no point here.There was not a contradiction, just your lack of comprehension.

Actually, I pointed out the same contradiction several other people did. You might want to consider your comprehension for once.

I'm not pretending, I watched some of it. Not saying I watched it hardcore, how could you watch anything hardcore besides WWE in the attitude era and call yourself a wrestling fan, I dont know. But I caught some of it, some of the best stuff and I ECW built its name on hardcore.

Heyman disagrees with you. He's said it not only multiple times, but on your own precious WWE product.

Extreme is hardcore. Hardcore is Extreme. The focus was on the talent and a good part of the talent was EXTREME. Thus the focus was on how extreme the talent is. No one called it Technical Championship Wrestling, it was EXTREME championship wrestling. No one stressed how many moves Dean malenko knew, but they did stress the SUICIDAL GENOCIDAL Sabu...HARDCORE EXTREME things.

That's not the only thing they stressed though, and you'd know that if you watched it. They stressed him as homosexual, genuflectual, and Sodomistical because that was his style, not the company's.

Funny how that works.

The nature of the internet? Now you're just saying nonsense. You missed a point I made because you don't know how to refresh a page. Okay. I POINT THAT OUT TO YOU THE POINT you missed and you refuse to acknowledge it. This is NOT ho discussion works.

I know how to refresh a page, it's just retarded to expect people to keep hitting refresh because someone might have responded in the intermediate time.

There's a proof in physics that addresses something similar, and I'll sum it up by saying: By your logic, if a human being has a running start, a jet plane can never catch him.

Nice way at ignoring my valid point. Sorry that my point still stands and you have nothing to say.

Your point doesn't stand, like I said, it was logically incongruous. The minute you admitted the validity of my point, your argument died.

And PART of developing something new is promoting it. If you make the lightbulb and don't tell anyone about it, that's not an innovation to society, it's nothing. Part of innovation is PROMOTING it and that's what CZW does by making lightbulb matches a focus of it's company.

No, promoting something by itself is not innovation. It was already developed by stupid teenagers, and made popular by backyard wrestling feds across the country. The promotion of this did not make it an innovation.

Easy comparision. Both are hardcore and extreme.

Heyman disagrees with you. He founded one of the companies. Ergo, you are wrong, he is right.

You're the one LACKING logic because you can't understand that a company with EXTREME in it's NAME is going to be about EXTREME.

Except, again, Heyman disagrees with you. You may call my logic illogical, but it's as simple as this:

Paul Heyman, more than anyone, knows what ECW was about. If he says what it was about, I am in no place to disagree with him.

I think also, you fail to comprehend (That means understand) just how much EXTREEEEEEEEEME was used in the 90s, even for products that didn't involve hardcore. I mean, there were extreme televisions shows (Extreme Ghosbusters--OMG THEY R HARDCORE!!!!!!), There were extreme comics (as in comedians), there were extreme cooking shows, everything on MTV was extreme, because extreme was a buzz word for the 90s, whether you were actually extreme or not.

Of course, Heyman pushed a lot of things to the limits, which is "extreme" in and of itself, without even getting into this bullshit of "hardcore." Matt and Jeff were team Extreme before they did anything that could be considered hardcore, there, I used it in relation to wrestling. Extreme is used to describe many top rope moves. OMG ITZ HARDCORE! No. Sorry, try again.

And if you want to complain about someone's logic, complain about Paul E's. Mine is so simple even you (Or any other child) should be able to understand it: Paul knows better than you, therefore, I put more stock in his definition of ECW than yours.

There. When he gets unbanned by an admin, he has something to read.

[AJHayes]

Originally Posted by Vermaat You FAILED to point out a contradictions. You just thought you did, you have no point here.There was not a contradiction, just your lack of comprehension. I'm not pretending, I watched some of it. Not saying I watched it hardcore, how could you watch anything hardcore besides WWE in the attitude era and call yourself a wrestling fan, I dont know. But I caught some of it, some of the best stuff and I ECW built its name on hardcore. Extreme is hardcore. Hardcore is Extreme. The focus was on the talent and a good part of the talent was EXTREME. Thus the focus was on how extreme the talent is. No one called it Technical Championship Wrestling, it was EXTREME championship wrestling. No one stressed how many moves Dean malenko knew, but they did stress the SUICIDAL GENOCIDAL Sabu...HARDCORE EXTREME things. The nature of the internet? Now you're just saying nonsense. You missed a point I made because you don't know how to refresh a page. Okay. I POINT THAT OUT TO YOU THE POINT you missed and you refuse to acknowledge it. This is NOT ho discussion works. Nice way at ignoring my valid point. Sorry that my point still stands and you have nothing to say. And PART of developing something new is promoting it. If you make the lightbulb and don't tell anyone about it, that's not an innovation to society, it's nothing. Part of innovation is PROMOTING it and that's what CZW does by making lightbulb matches a focus of it's company. Easy comparision. Both are hardcore and extreme. You're the one LACKING logic because you can't understand that a company with EXTREME in it's NAME is going to be about EXTREME.

Am I the only one who imagined his voice being really whiny during this one?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by BelfastBomber Am I the only one who imagined his voice being really whiny during this one?

I imagined it just being very angry.