NBA 2007 Offseason Thread - Page 3

**VonErichLives** · 06-22-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

That is completely off base.

1. The Wolves are not actively looking to trade Garnett. They have made it known that they are at least listening to offers now, but they aren't actively shopping him.

2. The Wolves have also made it clear that Garnett will have considerable influence on where he would be traded to, out of respect.

3. Even if the first two were not true, no team is going to make a trade of any value if Garnett says, point blank, "I will opt out after this season." The Celtics would have traded their whole future for one season.

4. Kevin Garnett has never, EVER said that he wants to be traded. He has made hints at being frustrated in the past, but he HAS said he would like to stay with Minnesota and that right now he fully intends to start the season in Minnesota.

5. Kevin Garnett is guaranteed $23 million for 2008-09. If he opts out of that season, his new contract would probably give him half that amount. KG would like to win a championship, obviously, but he is very comfortable in Minnesota and making a rediculous amount of money. I would be very, very shocked if he took a giant pay-cut to potentially play for a championship.

Plain and simple, if the Wolves can't get a new deal with Garnett and don't trade him they're idiots. They're taking the risk of having one of the best players in the game walk away and getting nothing for them.

I'm a Red Sox fan, I've seen this happan many times

Side note, whoever was involved in a 3-way from the Suns has said he doesn't want to play in Minnesota or Boston.

big NBA trades are so difficult because of the cap rules... few people understand that.

**BCWWF** · 06-22-2007, 05:10 PM

The Wolves already are idiots, that's pretty clear. I am just saying that if KG doesn't want to go to a certain city and says he will opt out, the Wolves won't get any value for him. Also, say KG did stay in Minnesota for the next two years, I wouldn't say it's a given that he doesn't re-sign.

For the Suns, wasn't it Marion who listed Minnesota and a bunch of other cities as places he wouldn't want to play? TBH, I don't get why the Suns are even willing to trade Marion. I consider him to be extremely important in their system. Nash sets it all up, but Marion's versatility does so much for them. You can plug any 2-guard in there and he will be good, but I don't think replacing Marion is going to be a piece of cake.

**SammyG** · 06-22-2007, 05:15 PM

Yeah it would definitely be awkward. If they are both on the Lakers come October, there's gonna be a fight. And Kobe is gonna make him cry, just like Phil did. Bynum needs to get outta LA.

**mrslackalack** · 06-22-2007, 10:54 PM

Bucher says Kobe is so serious about wanting out of L.A that he will sit out the entire year if the Lakers dont trade him.

**mrslackalack** · 06-22-2007, 10:55 PM

Yeah Marion said if he gets traded to Min that he would play only one season there and opt out.

**SammyG** · 06-23-2007, 12:27 AM

Kobe Bryant will be a Laker come October.

**BCWWF** · 06-23-2007, 03:52 AM

Kobe for No. 7 draft pick, Rashad McCants, Troy Hudson and Marco Jaric.,

**Juan** · 06-23-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyG

It's so scary turning on the tv every morning, just waiting to see a headline saying: Kobe Bryant traded to "enter team name". Damn. We are gonna be so terrible next year.

I feel you. It's gonna be a dark day in sports when that happens.

**KingofOldSchool** · 06-23-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HuracanRana

I feel you. It's gonna be a dark day in sports when that happens.

Nothing will top seeing MJ in a Wizards uniform.

**BCWWF** · 06-23-2007, 09:14 PM

It won't happen. If something big is going to happen in Los Angeles this offseason, they are going to find a way to get Garnett.

**SammyG** · 06-23-2007, 10:54 PM

I wish. By the way, here's another rumor. Kwame, Farmar, Bynum and the 19th pick for JO. Ridiculous rumors comin' around.

**mrslackalack** · 06-23-2007, 10:59 PM

Think the Lakers might push harder for some1 like Camby or Artest?

**SammyG** · 06-23-2007, 11:01 PM

We offered Kwame for Camby and they laughed in our face. Artest in LA would be pretty cool. Even Mamba said he'd like that.

**mrslackalack** · 06-23-2007, 11:01 PM

I think it would take a lot for the Lakers to get KG. Id say it would have to take Odom, Kwame, Walton, and a 1st rder

**SammyG** · 06-23-2007, 11:03 PM

Yeah, Agreed. I love Luke Walton, and would hate to see him go. But if that's what is required to get KG, so be it.

**mrslackalack** · 06-23-2007, 11:03 PM

Yeah I heard that they laughed at that trade and said they would consider Kwame for Nene but not Camby. I heard that if Artest wants out of Sac (although some reports think he loves the Theus head coaching hire) that Miami would be the fav to get him but you would think the Lakers would make an offer.

**mrslackalack** · 06-23-2007, 11:05 PM

The Lakers getting a big trade or 2 without giving up a lot is the only way I think Kobe stays. It seems he wants Bynum gone but would be mad if Odom is gone as well

**SammyG** · 06-23-2007, 11:12 PM

Bynum wont be a Laker next year. No way he is.

**mrslackalack** · 06-23-2007, 11:18 PM

Yup he has to be ticked, offended and betrayed on Kobes remarks, and I see him gone since he was not a favorite of Phil Jacksons as well.

**SammyG** · 06-23-2007, 11:21 PM

Exactly.

**mrslackalack** · 06-23-2007, 11:26 PM

Who do you think/hope that the Lakers will draft this season SammyG?

**CNM** · 06-23-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mrslackalack

Yeah I heard that they laughed at that trade and said they would consider Kwame for Nene but not Camby. I heard that if Artest wants out of Sac (although some reports think he loves the Theus head coaching hire) that Miami would be the fav to get him but you would think the Lakers would make an offer.

Kwame for Nene? Uhh, hell no.

**SammyG** · 06-24-2007, 01:25 AM

Yeah the Nuggets would be getting screwed with that deal, also. I dont give a fuck who we draft. We ain't drafting nobody in the first round, that's for sure.

**BCWWF** · 06-24-2007, 12:31 PM

JO is not worth all of that. Maybe KG would be, but that is still giving up four players, none of which are shit, for one. I never liked the idea of Artest on the Lakers, I don't think his style meshes with Kobe's.

**IC Champion** · 06-24-2007, 01:43 PM

Kwame Brown is terrible.

**Jura** · 06-24-2007, 07:23 PM

What happened to that boy?

**mrslackalack** · 06-24-2007, 11:06 PM

Bigger #1 overall draft bust. Kwame or Kandi?

**SammyG** · 06-25-2007, 02:01 AM

Kobe said he'd like to have Artest on the team. Also, Olowokandi is the bigger bust I think.

**SammyG** · 06-25-2007, 04:42 PM

Billups opted out of his contract, he's an Unrestricted Free Agent starting July 1st. Also, trade talks between Min. And the Lakers have been heating up. KG to the Lakers is looking like a strong possibility right now.

RP · 06-25-2007, 04:59 PM

KOBE TRADED TO THE PACERS FOR O'NEAL AND DUNLEAVY OMFG OMG OMG OMG

Just announced

**SammyG** · 06-25-2007, 07:11 PM

Shut up. The proposed trade is a 4 way deal. Lakers, Wolves, Pacers and Celtics. Lakers get KG, Pacers get Odom and Bynum. I don't remember the other parts. I know that a 5th round pick and Jefferson is inolved, and I think JO would go to Boston

**mrslackalack** · 06-25-2007, 11:17 PM

Bucher says that even if the Lakers get KG Kobe wants out

**mrslackalack** · 06-25-2007, 11:20 PM

Think the Lakers might make a move with Billups or develop Farmar at PG?

**SammyG** · 06-26-2007, 01:25 AM

Bucher needs to STFU. Seriously he is the biggest Laker hater. He just needs to shut the fuck up. And no, we are gonna spend money on KG, no way in hell we are getting Chauncey. Farmar will be our PG

**VonErichLives** · 06-26-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SammyG

Shut up. The proposed trade is a 4 way deal. Lakers, Wolves, Pacers and Celtics. Lakers get KG, Pacers get Odom and Bynum. I don't remember the other parts. I know that a 5th round pick and Jefferson is inolved, and I think JO would go to Boston

yeah, the Celts lose Jefferson and the #5 and get Jermaine O'Neil... O'Neil's a good player, but does O'Neil & Pierce put us in the finals? probably not... this deal doesn't thrill me.

Pierce has come out and said if the Celts don't do something by draft day, he wants to be traded.

At this rate Aingle will quit before the draft.

**BCWWF** · 06-26-2007, 02:16 PM

I have slightly amended my opinion. I would say right now there is a 40 percent chance KG gets traded.

The hot rumor yesterday was the four-way with the Lakers, Wolves, Pacers and Celtics. The Celtics and Pacers pulled out of that deal, and there is no way the Wolves trade KG for Kwame, Bynum, Odom and a non-lottery draft pick.

Really, if that Boston deal was legit: KG and Hudson for Jefferson, Telfair, Szczerbiak, Ratliff and No. 5, that would be an incredible deal for the Wolves. This could have potentially been their lineup...

PG - Conley Jr. - Telfair - Jaric
SG - Foye - Szczerbiak - McCants
SF - Brewer - Davis - Hassell
PF - Jefferson - Howard - Smith
C - Blount - Ratliff - Madsen

What a lineup, and with Ratliff and Davis going off the books next year they could make a run at one of the big unrestricted FAs next year, a list that includes: Arenas, Brand, AI and many others.

**BCWWF** · 06-26-2007, 02:18 PM

I didn't realize at the time how good of a trade that would have been for Minnesota. Somebody the other day was complaining on the radio because we didn't pull the trigger with Chicago last year, but:

Jefferson, Wally, Seabass, Theo, No. 5 > Deng, Nocioni, Gordon, No. 10

I really didn't think KG would demand a package that big. If they can trade him for full value, which means getting a good player and a lottery pick, I think they will do it.

RP · 06-26-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErichLives

yeah, the Celts lose Jefferson and the #5 and get Jermaine O'Neil... O'Neil's a good player, but does O'Neil & Pierce put us in the finals? probably not... this deal doesn't thrill me.

Pierce has come out and said if the Celts don't do something by draft day, he wants to be traded.

At this rate Aingle will quit before the draft.

I agree but i dont think Jefferson is gunna be as great as everyone in Boston thinks he will. I think he'll average 19 and 11 and be solid. But losing the #5 too and only getting O'Neil is pretty crap.

**VonErichLives** · 06-26-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

I agree but i dont think Jefferson is gunna be as great as everyone in Boston thinks he will. I think he'll average 19 and 11 and be solid. But losing the #5 too and only getting O'Neil is pretty crap.

Ya know what it is with Jefferson, it's be soooo long since we've had a 1/2 decent "big man" everyone blows a load over him...

I think he'll be like you said, solid 19/11 type guy with some flashed of "great numbers" but not consistant.

that being said, him and the #5 for O'Neil doesn't make sense to me unless there is some salary cap method to the madness I don't understand.

**BCWWF** · 06-26-2007, 05:44 PM

I agree that it is too much for O'Neil, but 19/11 are very, very solid numbers.

06-22-2007, 05:10 PM	#82
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The Wolves already are idiots, that's pretty clear. I am just saying that if KG doesn't want to go to a certain city and says he will opt out, the Wolves won't get any value for him. Also, say KG did stay in Minnesota for the next two years, I wouldn't say it's a given that he doesn't re-sign. For the Suns, wasn't it Marion who listed Minnesota and a bunch of other cities as places he wouldn't want to play? TBH, I don't get why the Suns are even willing to trade Marion. I consider him to be extremely important in their system. Nash sets it all up, but Marion's versatility does so much for them. You can plug any 2-guard in there and he will be good, but I don't think replacing Marion is going to be a piece of cake.

06-22-2007, 05:15 PM	#83
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Yeah it would definitely be awkward. If they are both on the Lakers come October, there's gonna be a fight. And Kobe is gonna make him cry, just like Phil did. Bynum needs to get outta LA.

06-22-2007, 10:54 PM	#84
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Bucher says Kobe is so serious about wanting out of L.A that he will sit out the entire year if the Lakers dont trade him.

06-22-2007, 10:55 PM	#85
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Yeah Marion said if he gets traded to Min that he would play only one season there and opt out.

06-23-2007, 12:27 AM	#86
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Kobe Bryant will be a Laker come October.

06-23-2007, 03:52 AM	#87
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Kobe for No. 7 draft pick, Rashad McCants, Troy Hudson and Marco Jaric.,

06-23-2007, 09:14 PM	#90
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	It won't happen. If something big is going to happen in Los Angeles this offseason, they are going to find a way to get Garnett.

06-23-2007, 10:54 PM	#91
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	I wish. By the way, here's another rumor. Kwame, Farmar, Bynum and the 19th pick for JO. Ridiculous rumors comin' around.

06-23-2007, 10:59 PM	#92
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Think the Lakers might push harder for some1 like Camby or Artest?

06-23-2007, 11:01 PM	#93
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	We offered Kwame for Camby and they laughed in our face. Artest in LA would be pretty cool. Even Mamba said he'd like that.

06-23-2007, 11:03 PM	#95
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Yeah, Agreed. I love Luke Walton, and would hate to see him go. But if that's what is required to get KG, so be it.

06-23-2007, 11:05 PM	#97
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	The Lakers getting a big trade or 2 without giving up a lot is the only way I think Kobe stays. It seems he wants Bynum gone but would be mad if Odom is gone as well

06-23-2007, 11:12 PM	#98
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Bynum wont be a Laker next year. No way he is.

06-23-2007, 11:18 PM	#99
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Yup he has to be ticked, offended and betrayed on Kobes remarks, and I see him gone since he was not a favorite of Phil Jacksons as well.

06-23-2007, 11:21 PM	#100
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Exactly.

06-23-2007, 11:26 PM	#101
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Who do you think/hope that the Lakers will draft this season SammyG?

06-24-2007, 01:25 AM	#103
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Yeah the Nuggets would be getting screwed with that deal, also. I dont give a fuck who we draft. We ain't drafting nobody in the first round, that's for sure.

06-24-2007, 12:31 PM	#104
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	JO is not worth all of that. Maybe KG would be, but that is still giving up four players, none of which are shit, for one. I never liked the idea of Artest on the Lakers, I don't think his style meshes with Kobe's.

06-24-2007, 01:43 PM	#105
IC Champion They/Them Posts: 15,331	Kwame Brown is terrible.

06-24-2007, 07:23 PM	#106
Jura ▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬ Posts: 16,011	What happened to that boy?

06-24-2007, 11:06 PM	#107
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Bigger #1 overall draft bust. Kwame or Kandi?

06-25-2007, 02:01 AM	#108
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Kobe said he'd like to have Artest on the team. Also, Olowokandi is the bigger bust I think.

06-25-2007, 04:42 PM	#109
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Billups opted out of his contract, he's an Unrestricted Free Agent starting July 1st. Also, trade talks between Min. And the Lakers have been heating up. KG to the Lakers is looking like a strong possibility right now.

06-25-2007, 04:59 PM	#110
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	KOBE TRADED TO THE PACERS FOR O'NEAL AND DUNLEAVY OMFG OMG OMG OMG Just announced

06-25-2007, 07:11 PM	#111
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Shut up. The proposed trade is a 4 way deal. Lakers, Wolves, Pacers and Celtics. Lakers get KG, Pacers get Odom and Bynum. I don't remember the other parts. I know that a 5th round pick and Jefferson is inolved, and I think JO would go to Boston

06-25-2007, 11:17 PM	#112
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Bucher says that even if the Lakers get KG Kobe wants out

06-25-2007, 11:20 PM	#113
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Think the Lakers might make a move with Billups or develop Farmar at PG?

06-26-2007, 01:25 AM	#114
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Bucher needs to STFU. Seriously he is the biggest Laker hater. He just needs to shut the fuck up. And no, we are gonna spend money on KG, no way in hell we are getting Chauncey. Farmar will be our PG

06-26-2007, 02:16 PM	#116
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I have slightly amended my opinion. I would say right now there is a 40 percent chance KG gets traded. The hot rumor yesterday was the four-way with the Lakers, Wolves, Pacers and Celtics. The Celtics and Pacers pulled out of that deal, and there is no way the Wolves trade KG for Kwame, Bynum, Odom and a non-lottery draft pick. Really, if that Boston deal was legit: KG and Hudson for Jefferson, Telfair, Szczerbiak, Ratliff and No. 5, that would be an incredible deal for the Wolves. This could have potentially been their lineup... PG - Conley Jr. - Telfair - Jaric SG - Foye - Szczerbiak - McCants SF - Brewer - Davis - Hassell PF - Jefferson - Howard - Smith C - Blount - Ratliff - Madsen What a lineup, and with Ratliff and Davis going off the books next year they could make a run at one of the big unrestricted FAs next year, a list that includes: Arenas, Brand, AI and many others.

06-26-2007, 02:18 PM	#117
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I didn't realize at the time how good of a trade that would have been for Minnesota. Somebody the other day was complaining on the radio because we didn't pull the trigger with Chicago last year, but: Jefferson, Wally, Seabass, Theo, No. 5 > Deng, Nocioni, Gordon, No. 10 I really didn't think KG would demand a package that big. If they can trade him for full value, which means getting a good player and a lottery pick, I think they will do it.