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Old 02-01-2008, 06:28 PM   #1201
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Baseball doesnt need a cap, it needs to cap salaries. the NBA has max and min contracts, the MLB needs it.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:29 PM   #1202
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I agree with you, but there are owners out there that crumble and give someone like Barry Zito 127 mil, so you have to expect someone the caliber of Johan Santana to make more than that.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:30 PM   #1203
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The market is so messed up its rediculous. I still can't believe last year Ted Lilly got 40 mil for 4 years. What a JOKE!
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:26 PM   #1204
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Santana to take his physical tomorrow
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ESPN just reported it. Pending the physical tomorrow it is a done deal! WOOOOOOO
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:45 PM   #1207
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I am so pumped right now...holy shit.

If he fails his physical after all of this I'm probably gonna commit suicide.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:07 PM   #1209
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That deal is huge...I can't believe this market now a days
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:08 PM   #1210
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Yup. Done deal. Must have been some wild numbers thrown in those 2 extra hours. Can't wait to hear the final word.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:12 PM   #1211
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Wonder how much he got in the end. I've heard a lot of different reports and stuff. One even said he it would be 7 years with an 8th year option.

This affects Sabathia a lot considering he's a free agent after this season. A lot of people expect him to sign an extension with the Indians but this is gonna make that a lot harder.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:18 PM   #1212
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I'd love to see a huge offseason for the Mets this year.....I can see it now...









Hey, I can dream. But I wouldn't be surprised if they got at least one of them, they NEED to make a huge splash.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:39 PM   #1213
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Ladies and Gentlemen. The numbers are in.


SI.com is reporting that the deal is for $137.5MM for six years with a $7MM signing bonus added to Santana's 2008 salary. The total deal is worth $150.75MM. Ken Rosenthal confirms it. So, the Mets had to give in on six guaranteed years.
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:44 PM   #1214
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A bargain for the Mets, imo
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:59 AM   #1215
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Indians fans are all panicking because now they are all but certain that Sabathia is a goner after 2008.
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Even though the Mets are paying all that money for Santana, they pulled a fast one over the Twins. I have to say good job by Omar.
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:25 PM   #1217
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The Mets are now holding a conference call, announcing the acquisition as final.

The press conference probably won't be until Wednesday as half the media is in Arizona and Tuesday is Super Tuesday.
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:38 PM   #1218
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Indians fans are all panicking because now they are all but certain that Sabathia is a goner after 2008.
Scratch that...now, some are saying they wouldn't be opposed to trading Sabathia NOW if they can't lock him up. How retarded, that would basically be handing the division to the Tigers.
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:42 PM   #1219
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CC isn't Santana. I understand he'd be due a big contract, but not of the likes of Santana.
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #1220
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Sabathia figures to be around 6 years, $100 million guaranteed plus options with the way it is now, I'd think. I've actually read though that several GMs have said that they'd be wary of giving Sabathia that big a deal...not just because he's a pitcher, but also because he's pushing 300 lbs.
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I'm pretty sure that every big name pitcher is just gonna keep pushing the market, "Santana got this much, I should get more" and Sabathia will get the biggest contract for a pitcher in baseball histroy like Santana just did. Then this process will repeat with whoever is the big name pitcher the following year. This will happen consistently for 5-7 years until everything spirals out of control and Major League Baseball collapses on itself.
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:34 AM   #1222
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I'm pretty sure that every big name pitcher is just gonna keep pushing the market, "Santana got this much, I should get more" and Sabathia will get the biggest contract for a pitcher in baseball histroy like Santana just did. Then this process will repeat with whoever is the big name pitcher the following year. This will happen consistently for 5-7 years until everything spirals out of control and Major League Baseball collapses on itself.
I don't think so, otherwise it would be happening right now with positional player after Manny, A-Rod and Jeter all got their deals.

Sabathia will make at least 35 million less than Santana IMO
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Its not Johan that is going to be the marker, its going to be Zito I believe. Sure Santana is making 150 mil and every picther who is considered an ace probably feels they should make that much, but it is someone like CC who could say "Hey Zito got 127 mil and I am better than him" which he is. I mean Zito is a good picther, but he is not 127 mil worth. I'm expecting CC to land a deal in the range of 130 mil.
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It all comes down to Scott Boras. He is what is wrong with baseball, aside from steroids.
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Boras is just a product of the game that happens outside the real game. It should also be noted that (imo) Boras overplayed his hand a couple times now and the shine, the luster of the man's swagger is off.

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if I was a pro athlete I'd want Borus...

His job is to do what's in his clients best interest, which is up to the player and most of them say "get me the most you can" and thats what he does.

Should baseball have a cap? I dunno about that, on one hand you may level the playing field on the other what right does someone have to tell a company "you cant spend your profits on making your team better". Plus, you have the steinbrenner argument against the luxury tax.

His issue always was he's fine paying it, however the teams that get the money should be required to increase their payroll by that amount or lose the funds because otherwise it defeats the purpose.

if the Royals have a 20mil payroll and from the luxury tax get another 5mil but keep payroll at 20mil, that what good has it done?
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Yeah, Zito's contract really set the bar for pitchers. Santana based his off Zito's and thought he deserved more. And Sabathia will probably do the same.
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if I was a pro athlete I'd want Borus...

His job is to do what's in his clients best interest, which is up to the player and most of them say "get me the most you can" and thats what he does.

Should baseball have a cap? I dunno about that, on one hand you may level the playing field on the other what right does someone have to tell a company "you cant spend your profits on making your team better". Plus, you have the steinbrenner argument against the luxury tax.

His issue always was he's fine paying it, however the teams that get the money should be required to increase their payroll by that amount or lose the funds because otherwise it defeats the purpose.

if the Royals have a 20mil payroll and from the luxury tax get another 5mil but keep payroll at 20mil, that what good has it done?
What right therefore do they have in saying "You have to spend your luxury transfer cash on the team?" You can't argue they have no right telling someone they can't spend lots but then say you can't spend little. If it's going to be free marketed then it has to be free marketed. The consumer will walk away if the product isn't good enough. That's the whole gist of free market.

Now baseball is a hybrid of this free market stuff. They do penalize teams when they reach a certain threshold, the transfer does go to all the other teams, those teams should be spending it on the product. What's saying they don't? Maybe (using your example) they'd have only spent 15 million instead of 20 in the first place.

Where I see baseball needing controls is with these rookies. Hughes should never have been a Yankee. Other teams passed him up because they couldn't sign him to the type of cash he was commanding. Therefore he falls to the rich team. I'd argue draft eligible players are basically slaves until they prove themselves in the big leagues.
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In the end, you don't even need Boras to be your agent to make money. He does his job by getting a mediocre pitcher paid big, that means that all mediocre pitchers and going to be looking to land big money deals. Same goes for a superstar everyday player. I mean I believe JD Drew is his agent and he got out of a 60 mil dollar deal with the dodgers to go on to sign a 90 mil deal with the Red Sox I believe? JD Drew is NOT worth 90 mil. I just feel it is Boras who is taking the integrity away from the game by making it so money oriented.
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Yeah, the fact that Scott Boras is Oliver Perez' agent really scares me for the Mets' future

Their 2008 rotation is gonna be Santana-Pedro-Perez-Maine-El Duque. That's awesome...but then after the year we might be down to Santana and Maine...if Perez has another 15 win season with like a 3.50 ERA and a load of K's, I have no doubt Boras is gonna look for a Gil Meche-type contract.
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Ollie is one of my fav Mets, and I too feel this way. I would love to see him come back because even though people say he is a on/off pitcher I still believe he thrives in NY. Would I pay him 65 mil? I would because I don't want him to go, but coupon just dished out 150 mil on a pitcher so I'm expecting him to walk.
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if I was a pro athlete I'd want Borus...

His job is to do what's in his clients best interest, which is up to the player and most of them say "get me the most you can" and thats what he does.

Should baseball have a cap? I dunno about that, on one hand you may level the playing field on the other what right does someone have to tell a company "you cant spend your profits on making your team better". Plus, you have the steinbrenner argument against the luxury tax.

His issue always was he's fine paying it, however the teams that get the money should be required to increase their payroll by that amount or lose the funds because otherwise it defeats the purpose.

if the Royals have a 20mil payroll and from the luxury tax get another 5mil but keep payroll at 20mil, that what good has it done?
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If I was a pro athlete I would be my own agent and sign for the minimum salary no matter how good I was. Just tired about sports being all about money, maybe I could do something good for the league by actually caring about the sport and not the money
I feel what you're saying but I'm sure there are alot of other pressures we'd have on ourselves if we were in that position.
Besides there are players that sign for league minimum in sport, but you rarely hear about them. There are also guys that are their own agents, again, they don't set trends by doing this.

Much respect from me to you for having that type of character, AssMan
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Well you don't hear about those players because no one cares about them. It would be big news if Derek Jeter signed for the league minimum.

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