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Old 04-01-2008, 09:53 AM   #41
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You mean what would other people assume, based on their fanboyish sense of entitlement? Probably something regardless of any evidence to the contrary, as you're doing.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:14 AM   #42
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I wanted an answer not a question.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:17 AM   #43
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Boo fucking whoo. The Rock was entertaining, and they need to deal with it. If 5 % of the current roster could work a mic like he could, they'd be lucky. And I'd sacrifice Cena to Hollywood in a second if it meant getting the Rock back.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:30 AM   #44
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I wanted an answer not a question.
Aska question that's not stupid. Preferably one that's a better analog to the situation you pulled out of your ass in the first place.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:33 AM   #45
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I lost so much respect for my former favorite wrestler, The Rock YOU TURNED YOUR BACK ON ME
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:47 AM   #46
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:38 AM   #47
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Ridiculous.

I find it ironic, that if The Rock didn't come back and do what he did, people would piss and moan about how he's too good to come back and be associated with wrestling. So he comes back gives an entertaining speech IN CHARACTER and of course, he's too good for wrestling.

Its just a bunch of fucking whiny, jealous grown men. Hunter, by my recollection has ALWAYS had something to say about the rock going to make movies (Also ironic, didn't Hunter go off and make a movie and sucked at it) and Cena who should be the absolute last person to talk had something to say.

I think I begin to understand why The Rock distanced himself from wrestling, and it doesn't have anything to do with stigmas and assoociations.
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:41 AM   #48
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Mike Johnson reported that the Rock hung around people he was with back in the Attitude days (Jericho, Big Show, Austin) and he wasn't aloof.
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #49
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Ridiculous.

I find it ironic, that if The Rock didn't come back and do what he did, people would piss and moan about how he's too good to come back and be associated with wrestling. So he comes back gives an entertaining speech IN CHARACTER and of course, he's too good for wrestling.

Its just a bunch of fucking whiny, jealous grown men. Hunter, by my recollection has ALWAYS had something to say about the rock going to make movies (Also ironic, didn't Hunter go off and make a movie and sucked at it) and Cena who should be the absolute last person to talk had something to say.

I think I begin to understand why The Rock distanced himself from wrestling, and it doesn't have anything to do with stigmas and assoociations.
Yeah, Hunter's crying sour grapes. He tried to get into film, was turned down, WWE built WWE films with him in mind (Journey of the Dead Man was the first ANNOUNCED movie, though it clearly wasn't put out first), and he's apparently pissed at nothing more than the guy being a success, whereas he's still a carnie....
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:23 PM   #50
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I seriously doubt that it's sour grapes from Hunter or any of the others. There were a number of things: the fact that Rock was in semi-in-character, and went after everyone - faces and heels alike. I think some of the others haven't forgiven him for leaving when he was in his prime. Triple H was never the same once Rock left - HHH is a great second-fiddle guy, but a terrible lead man. He was great when he was pushed to the forefront by a great babyface Rock or Austin, but once they were gone he, and the company, floundered. It's taken the WWE a long time to find the iconic figure to replace The Rock. I think they've finally found that figure in John Cena - he has some mainstream appeal (Subway commercials, Make-A-Wish, etc.) and could become the star that Rock was for the 'E when he left.

Back to my point. This isn't jealousy about money or anything. The guys who are in WWE still are bound to the business. Triple H lives and breathes the business. He is offended that someone who once claimed that "wrestling is in my blood" and "I will always be in some way affiliated with the WWF[/E]" has so quickly up and left for another pursuit. Hunter has got more than enough money to live quite luxuriously for the rest of his life, his children's lives, and his grandchilren's lives. This is about the biggest star of the Attitude Era leaving at the peak of his game, and never once glancing over his shoulder at what he left behind.
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Triple h just likes to whine, rock now has a career where the travelling is minimal (and paid for) he gets paid probably a couple of million a movie compared to the top wwe wage of maybe 2 million and a bit per year (according to that leaked wage chart thing).

When it comes down to it if Triple h had more charisma than a half empty tin of baked beans most likely he would have went Hollywood way. The pays better the workload is drastically reduced the toll on the body is obviously massively reduced.

Its not the first time he's openly whined about the rock being in hollywood so i doubt it was just an "on the night" reaction.
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I seriously doubt that it's sour grapes from Hunter or any of the others. There were a number of things: the fact that Rock was in semi-in-character, and went after everyone - faces and heels alike.

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I think some of the others haven't forgiven him for leaving when he was in his prime.
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It's taken the WWE a long time to find the iconic figure to replace The Rock. I think they've finally found that figure in John Cena - he has some mainstream appeal
Maybe the mainstream likes him, the typical wrestling fan (assume male 18-29) can't stand him

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Back to my point. This isn't jealousy about money or anything. The guys who are in WWE still are bound to the business. Triple H lives and breathes the business. He is offended that someone who once claimed that "wrestling is in my blood" and "I will always be in some way affiliated with the WWF[/E]" has so quickly up and left for another pursuit.
And I'm sure if Hunter had to work a few months out of the year, make millions and be home more he'd absolutely decline the opportunity. Rock's decision wasn't just a smart career move, it was a smart QUALITY OF LIFE MOVE. More to the point, who's Hunter to say anything anyways?

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This is about the biggest star of the Attitude Era leaving at the peak of his game, and never once glancing over his shoulder at what he left behind.
And it was HIS choice. You think that these guys aren't pissed that once Rock left, business went downhill and Vince scrambled to find the next big thing? And screwed up doing that? By your logic, that has to have something to do with it.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:59 PM   #53
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Why do people slobber over Hunter's cock anyway?
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Cause he's the best of a mediocre era ala Bret Hart?
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:19 PM   #57
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Cause he's the best of a mediocre era ala Bret Hart?
Except he's not. He sucked in the Attitude Era (Anyone who was given his level of hype could have gotten over...Even Gilberg, Stevie Richards, or Zach Gowen), and he sucks now. He's not the most over guy, he's not the best on a mic, and he's not the best wrestler.
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:32 PM   #58
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Oh, and as I said in the headlines forum, This is especially stupid because heat on a guy who they need more than he needs them is just insane. The Rock actually has some level of status, and WWE's looked down upon. He has little reason to show up as it is, and wrestlersgetting sand in their pampers over this shit is not going to change anything.
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One thing I wanna bring up which I don't think anyone has. The retards (wwe wrestlers included) that are pissed he came out in character and gave THAT speech.

Did anyone happen to catch how the HOF was promoted? Commercials on USA FEATURING THE ROCK depicting his face on the screen. Hell, USA even went so far as to make it 'The Rock night' I believe they aired the Mummy Returns and The Scorpion King before the HOF show. So, it would seem blatantly obvious that they were building the show around him. That makes the Ric Flair thing null and void. If USA advertised it heavily and in the manner they did (I'm sure authorized by the E) you'd have to be retarded (again, wrestlers 100% included to expect anything different) not to expect the Rock 'character' and instead expect Dywane Johnson the person.

Not for nothing, but I'd be mad a fuck too if some guy who was out of the business 5 years was a bigger draw than I was.
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All I have to say is, the Rock could have said NO to the whole thing. He made time in his busy schedule for this event, made a few jokes, which his character is known for, and did his job. For God's sake, leave him alone already.
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Yeah, they really did market it around the Rock. I mean, big time. So if he made it about him in character, the cocky character for whom the show was always about, big fucking deal.
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This is one of the most retarded things I think I’ve ever heard. On so many levels I can’t begin to count.

Let’s start first with people being all butt hurt that The Rock made fun of people at a WWE event. I think I’ll say that one more time because it bares repeating. People are angry that The Rock made fun of people at a WWE event, with WWE fans in attendance expecting to see The Rock. Did WWE advertise that Dwayne Johnson was going to induct his father and grand father? No. They advertised The Rock. What they got was The Rock. Give the man a mic and he will say whatever, WHATEVER it is that he knows will get a reaction out of the people in attendance. They TRAINED him to do that. They PAID him to do that. And now, in a pathetic attempt to get him to show up for even one night, they grant his dad and granddad in the HoF, largely as a ploy to get him to come back. Well he did, he came back, he did exactly what the 2nd most advertised wrestler was supposed to do. And this is somehow wrong? The speech was funny. The Rock is supposed to be funny, that’s why he’s, you know, The Rock.

Now let’s move on to people, WWE workers, marks, smarts, movie goers, XPW fans, whoever it is that seems to have a problem with The Rock doing movies. Take your jealousy, shine it up real nice AND STICK…you know what you know where this is going. Let me just say this, FUCK YOU. Fuck you for feeling like this guy is somehow indebted to you. He entertained you for years. Isn’t that enough? And before people get all on my ass about how he was built up by the company and blah blah blah…let’s not forget this is the man who dropped the WWE Gold to Brock Lesnar in his rookie year, without so much as a peep of complaint. This is the man who before leaving the company he put over Goldberg. This is the man who, despite not needing to, and despite it being an inconvenience for his schedule, came out of retirement to be in a match with Foley where they could put over Orton & Batista (and Flair, but, well, you know). WWE did build him up, but he played the game honorably. Have you ever, EVER heard him say “no”, complain, or politic his way out of jobbing or putting someone over? Ever. Go ahead I’ll wait for an example. No. He was a business man who put his company before his own ego. I mean he put over The Hurricane twice for god sake. And now, AGAIN as an inconvenience, he goes out of his way to continue to do what is best for the company that made him, and honor his love and history with wrestling by coming back, getting a mic in his hand, and doing what he does best...but people bitched about that too.

Dwayne Johnson is a man, a man with a family, a man with bills to pay. If anyone can tell me one logical reason why he should step inside the squared circle again, I’d love to hear it. The points of money, safety, and time spent with family have been covered to nausea...but have you ever considered maybe he’s genuinely happier doing movies? Does the fact that he could be having the best time of his life matter to you? And while we’re at it, let’s talk about fans. The Rock has more people going to watch his movies than he does people who watched him wrestle. I know a lot of people that love The Rock as an actor but would never watch pro wrestling for him.

And now, after Hollywood has spent MANY millions more on building Dwayne Johnson up than WWE ever did building The Rock up, Dwayne should turn his back on the people who helped him get there? His agent, his manager, his friends from the movies, his cousin who can now make a living off of being his stunt double...yeah fuck them. What’s really important is that he stops performing for the world and goes back to performing for the esoteric little universe of Pro Wrestling.
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And aaaaaaaalso, if we're going to talk debt...

Let me first of all state that the concept that someone "owes" someone else in this is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'm following specifically the point of view that the Rock should be giving back to wrestling or some such.

The Rock and Steve Austin made the business what it was in the 90s. They were the chief draws, the chief sellers, the big guns. If anything, WWE owes the Rock. Vince owes the Rock. Triple H owes the Rock. Instead of cheap shots, Triple H should be checking to see if Rocky needs his balls massaged or his asshole tickled. Triple H is on top because professionals made him look good. The Rock was among those ranks.

They very likely only inducted Maivia because it would entice the Rock to show up. He wasn't obliged to show up, and he isn't obliged to do anything for WWE. The Rock gave WWE some of their best years in terms of popularity, if not financial. WWE is in the dumps right now because of their own hubris, not because of the Rock being in Hollywood.
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Sounds like Triple H and John Cena will not be wishing Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson ANY luck in his future endevours.
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All of those great points aside, what about The Rock apparently wanting to drop the name "The Rock" and just be Dwayne Johnson, so as to get rid of the pro wrestling stigma as a Hollywood A-list actor? Or his claims that he would NEVER come back to perform for the WWE again (meaning in a storyline, as a GM, etc, etc)?

Do those things not make you feel even the littlest bit tarnished or thrown aback as wrestling fans?

If, say, 6 months from now, Dwayne Johnson was on a talk show promoting his new film and the host referred to him as "The Rock," and he said "Don't call me that, that's the old me, I don't go by that name anymore, my name is Dwayne Johnson, I'm an actor," would that not bother you even the slightest?

I respect the man for leaving the WWE and I believe he should be given every right to go out and do what he wants with his charisma and skill and that he shouldn't be judged by it, but at the same time, the man cannot forget who got him started in the world of entertainment. If it wasn't for Vince McMahon and the WWE fans, he WOULD just be Dwayne Johnson, some ex-CFL linebacker who works at fucking Big R, for all we know.

I'm not saying that's who he is now, but I'm asking if he WERE to become that stuck up, that full on Hollywood, and truly trying to "erase" his wrestling past, would you still feel that The Rock is not an ass?
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oh no a guy wants to make a name for himself in hollywood with his real name and not a wrestling moniker. i'm so hurt. the guy has moved on. so should everyone else.
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yeah i mis-read it. thus the delete.


anyways, austin seems to be enjoying the promo when rock calls him out.
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Rock was hilarious. Peoples just be hatin'.
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Not because of any personal accomplishment of his own. When its all said and done Rock will have made of a 100 million, HHH will at best inherit anything he gains.
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All of those great points aside, what about The Rock apparently wanting to drop the name "The Rock" and just be Dwayne Johnson, so as to get rid of the pro wrestling stigma as a Hollywood A-list actor? Or his claims that he would NEVER come back to perform for the WWE again (meaning in a storyline, as a GM, etc, etc)?
Has he actually said he'd NEVER work for WWE again? I haven't seen that.

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No more than I did when Mick Foley started actively badmouthing wrestling. Of course, I didn't really care then, and I don't care now.

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Should it?

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Or, for all we know, he'd have become a big movie star without WWE. That's how hypotheticals work.

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People move on.

In fact, given the state of things, I wish more people would move on. Ric Flair's retirement match, his big moment, would mean more to me if it had happened years ago. Hulk Hogan should have moved on ages ago. Hell, Mick Foley retired, never to wrestle again, and keeps coming back. Now, I love Foley, but his continued returns are bothersome. Kurt Angle should have walked away while ago, and Steve Austin's kind of lucky he can walk at all.

Unless the Rock starts actively ragging on WWE, I doubt I'll have a problem with him if he says something like "That's not me now." Because it isn't. He's not the Rock anymore, except maybe in name. Even then, Mick Foley ragged on wrestling in general, and he said in a speech I saw him give that he'd have more to say about WWE specifically when the terms of his contract were up. Mick's still respected, despite the fact that he slammed the product pretty hard and pretty loud.

Will I be happy? No. Will I care?

Probably not.
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Side note...there is a commersial for some sports drink or sports shoe, I can't remember which. It features Stacey Keibler, actress. Yeah, that is right, actress, not former wrestler though she does mention dancing with the stars in said commersial. Yet no one is hating on her.
Howabout Jericho? Many ofthe times he appeared on VH-1, he wasn't listed as a wrestler. I guess people couldn't stop slobbering all over his cock long enough to call him on that, but It sounds like it's the same thing to me.
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