Do you think we will get a William Regal WWE Championship reign?

[Bad Company]

Out-dated view of Regal's position on the roster? They guy who was tag teaming with Dave Taylor a few months back, and had a feud with Eugene?

He won KOTR out of nowhere, which was a pleasant surprise. And he's getting a nice push, But why does he have to be WWE Champ? You don't have to be champ to help carry the show, and he's great in that position to do that.

Why does everyone have to be WWE Champ with you? Does it really matter?
Just because you're getting a push doesn't mean you have to go all the way to the top. And Regal is the kind of guy who doesn't need the rub of the WWE title.

[Kane Knight]

By the way:

Originally Posted by Noid Also, the points you made about JBL and George Bush support exactly what I'm saying: if they can become WWE Champion and President of the United States, respectively (JBL was WWE Champion, Bush was President, just so people know), then why is it unrealistic to assume William Regal could be WWE Champion? Why is it unrealistic to assume that Finlay, with things properly aligned, could not be a World Champion?

If you think that what I said supports what you are saying, you are completely missing it. As in, 100% off the mark. Here is the pulse. Here is your finger, far from the pulse...

I guess what I'm saying is "Say...Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?"

Let's continue the metaphor, since you missed it entirely.

Okay, in 2000, there were several Republican candidates who were more qualified, competent, and intelligent than Bush. Same goes for the Democrats. In fact, we had better Democratic choices, too. We ended up with Gush and Bore.

2004, Bush was unopposed in the Republican party because he was the current President. We got Bush and Kerry, another weak candidate.

And all it takes is a little to take you out of the running. Howard Dean, who has been right almost 100% of the time when speaking about the war in Iraq, was disqualified because of a single "Yeeeehaw!" Gore lost a lot simply because they decided to say he claimed he invented the internet. He's still ridiculed for it, though what he said was quite different, not to mention true.

Clinton and Obama have outlasted more qualified candidates because Clinton's got the family name, and Obama's a Rock Star.

Where is this all going? The candidate pool starts with a dozen people, and gets weeded down to Bush and Gore. Or Bush and Kerry. You may have the best and the brightest, but that doesn't mean they will ever see the top rung.

Regal may be great, and so may Finlay. They're more the "Howard Dean" or "John Edwards" type than the "John Kerry" type.

Or, to answer your question: If Bush and JBL can do it, why not Regal or Finlay?

Because, like the Presidency, title reigns are not based on qualification.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by 311 When things like this happen it honestly makes me wonder if we smarks can never, ever be satisfied.

Things like what? Isn't there room for Regal having been underused, and still not being a draw as Heavyweight champ? I mean, the guy was tagging with Eugene, jobbing on the undercard shows, etc. Clearly, that's underused.

And just because you like Regal doesn't mean you can feasibly see him getting over with the mainstream crowd, which is important. It also doesn't mean people will pay to see him.

Then again, Smarks suck and probably won't be satisfied, ever.

[Jeritron]

Well, if I had to bet I'd still pick no just because it's safer odds. But it's a possibility. Like Destor said, Jericho Eddie and Benoit all did it. Even Rey did it. Booker, RVD and Edge did it too. Jeff would have done it if he wasn't a fuck up, and still may.

It's not as hard to become WWE champ as it once was, due to brand extension and constant attempts at creating new main event stars.
There was once a time where there'd only be 1 new first-time champ every 2 or 3 years, and at a given time only 2 or 3 former champs would be on the active roster and in the picture. Now you have more new champs in a shorter period of time, and on the current roster there has to be at least 10-15 former champs active and "in the hunt".
(thought of making this a topic for discussion once actually)


Look at JBL. That's gotta be the most out of left field world champ of all time and he held it for nearly a year. I never would have thought Bradshaw would win a world title, and Regal's current push is similar in many ways, as well as timing and randomness.

[The Optimist]

I . . . really don't care at this point if he draws well. Lol.

Regal getting a push is like a really hot chick I know is out of my league hitting on me while drunk, stoned, sleep-walking and hallucinating. I'm just going to roll with it and take it as far as it will go. What's best for the company is usually not entertaining to me. Doing something that I enjoy and doesn't make sense financially is better than doing something I hate that doesn't make sense financially, which they do fairly often.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by 311 Cena chasing Regal is money and could almost have an Austin/McMahon edge to it. Edit: If only there was someone who could wrestle that had Cena's drawing power.

Maybe it could be used for someone who could wrestle, who could gain drawing power through the storyline? CM Punk comes to mind. They could even work some teacher vs. student angles into it. Then there is that Coke vs. Pepsi storyline.

[311]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Things like what? Isn't there room for Regal having been underused, and still not being a draw as Heavyweight champ? I mean, the guy was tagging with Eugene, jobbing on the undercard shows, etc. Clearly, that's underused. And just because you like Regal doesn't mean you can feasibly see him getting over with the mainstream crowd, which is important. It also doesn't mean people will pay to see him. Then again, Smarks suck and probably won't be satisfied, ever.

Fair point, sir. However, my hope that WWE would actually push/utilize talents in a more effective way went out the window a long time ago, so, I suppose you could say I gave up caring a long time ago. It's pretty obvious Regal isn't a long term choice, but selfishly, giving him a month or two with the belt would amuse me. Who gives a damn, WWE will make money anyway.

[311]

Originally Posted by Noid Maybe it could be used for someone who could wrestle, who could gain drawing power through the storyline? CM Punk comes to mind. They could even work some teacher vs. student angles into it. Then there is that Coke vs. Pepsi storyline.

As stupid as it was at the time, I actually kind of liked when CM Punk was screwing with Chavo, the mariachi thing was lame, but it did have kind of an Austin-like vibe to it, and I admit, I kind of marked out just a little for the sheer WWE classic cheese factor. Could work I suppose, but I can't see pushing CM Punk to the moon right now...they barely let him talk, and there is a ton of other talent right now that he would have to get passed. Jeff Hardy might come to mind as a possibility...he already has the whole daredevil/rebel image.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Bad Company Out-dated view of Regal's position on the roster? They guy who was tag teaming with Dave Taylor a few months back, and had a feud with Eugene? He won KOTR out of nowhere, which was a pleasant surprise. And he's getting a nice push, But why does he have to be WWE Champ? You don't have to be champ to help carry the show, and he's great in that position to do that. Why does everyone have to be WWE Champ with you? Does it really matter? Just because you're getting a push doesn't mean you have to go all the way to the top. And Regal is the kind of guy who doesn't need the rub of the WWE title.

Cool it, I wasn't dismissing your opinion. You're allowed to think what you want to think, but I'll answer your questions anyway:

Out-dated view of Regal's position on the roster?
Yes, given that you brought up the point of Dave Taylor and Eugene. Regal is past teaming with Taylor, and is way past feuding with Eugene. That stuff is pretty out-dated.

He won KOTR out of nowhere, which was a pleasant surprise. And he's getting a nice push, But why does he have to be WWE Champ?
I didn't say he had to be. I think it would be nice if he was, because he is, as I have said, a fantastic entertainer, a fantastic wrestler, and someone I think that deserves to have a run with the belt, and is in a position to.

Why does everyone have to be WWE Champ with you?
They don't. For example: I am a fan of Jamie Noble. He is probably not going to be WWE Champ, and he really doesn't have to be from where I am sitting.

Does it really matter?
Yes and no -- no being from the standpoint that it won't really effect my life, personally speaking. Yes in that if I am to watch professional wrestling and be entertained, I'd like a better WWE Champion than John Cena, Triple H or Randy Orton from time-to-time.

You don't think Regal should be WWE Champion? That is fine. I'm just saying that the way you made it sound, William Regal is a mid-carder based solely on your opinion of the guy. That's not a critique of your opinion, but it's just not evidence of he will never be WWE Champion. Especially when, as others pointed out, stranger things have happened.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight By the way: If you think that what I said supports what you are saying, you are completely missing it. As in, 100% off the mark. Here is the pulse. Here is your finger, far from the pulse... I guess what I'm saying is "Say...Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?" Let's continue the metaphor, since you missed it entirely. Okay, in 2000, there were several Republican candidates who were more qualified, competent, and intelligent than Bush. Same goes for the Democrats. In fact, we had better Democratic choices, too. We ended up with Gush and Bore. 2004, Bush was unopposed in the Republican party because he was the current President. We got Bush and Kerry, another weak candidate. And all it takes is a little to take you out of the running. Howard Dean, who has been right almost 100% of the time when speaking about the war in Iraq, was disqualified because of a single "Yeeeehaw!" Gore lost a lot simply because they decided to say he claimed he invented the internet. He's still ridiculed for it, though what he said was quite different, not to mention true. Clinton and Obama have outlasted more qualified candidates because Clinton's got the family name, and Obama's a Rock Star. Where is this all going? The candidate pool starts with a dozen people, and gets weeded down to Bush and Gore. Or Bush and Kerry. You may have the best and the brightest, but that doesn't mean they will ever see the top rung. Regal may be great, and so may Finlay. They're more the "Howard Dean" or "John Edwards" type than the "John Kerry" type. Or, to answer your question: If Bush and JBL can do it, why not Regal or Finlay? Because, like the Presidency, title reigns are not based on qualification.

LOL. And you completely missed what I was saying, Jon Stewart:

If anyone can become WWE Champion, and they can be, why does that disqualify Regal? Also, the metaphor "wrestling is like politics" is a pretty crappy one, and seems really forced to me. You might have a point with it all, I stopped reading when I got the impression you knew your politics were "right."

Also:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Aren't we merely making projections and estimations based on how we see things? I mean, is there really any other way to answer this question in the first place? And aren't you just using another variation of "That's your opinion" in a field where there is only opinion, and it should be understood?

I'll give this the treatment I gave Bad Company:

Aren't we merely making projections and estimations based on how we see things?
In a way. Not in the creative sense, more in the sense of the patterns and trends one can deduct from what is happening on the screen.

I mean, is there really any other way to answer this question in the first place?
Given the breadth of what you seem to be saying, yes, yes there is. There is simply making a wild statement: "William Regal will never be WWE Champion, because I say so," and making one based off evidence: "William Regal is getting a push, and Triple H is reportedly a fan of the guy."

And aren't you just using another variation of "That's your opinion" in a field where there is only opinion, and it should be understood?
Crappy, vague writing here. What I gathered from this is that you only think there is opinion in this field (which is what you blatantly said), and then you denied mine. Granted, you tried used what you thought was an "on the pulse" metaphor, but going by what you said...

KK: No. Stop making shit up.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by 311 Fair point, sir. However, my hope that WWE would actually push/utilize talents in a more effective way went out the window a long time ago, so, I suppose you could say I gave up caring a long time ago. It's pretty obvious Regal isn't a long term choice, but selfishly, giving him a month or two with the belt would amuse me. Who gives a damn, WWE will make money anyway.

I gave up caring, too. I mean, I'll probably be happy if Regal gets the title, but I've given up being really arsed by this shit.

And no, Noid, you said that what I said dovetailed with what you were saying. It doesn't. You really did miss the point and have now moved on to name calling (And a lot of things you bitch about me doing...Sounds like hypocrisy, but as long as you think you're above your own standards...). Bravo.

The wrestling politics metaphor works. Just because you don't particularly get it doesn't change anything. After all, you thought my point backed you up, when I'm not saying what you want me to be saying. You're replacing logic with wishful thinking. On two counts in this thread at least.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Noid Crappy, vague writing here. What I gathered from this is that you only think there is opinion in this field (which is what you blatantly said), and then you denied mine.

Except nothing I said actually dismissed your opinion. You're trying to force this notion like a square peg into a round hole. You call it vague, but again, that's not really the case. The problem really isn't me. When I said "I hope Jericho's coming back, but you guys are jumping the gun," You turned that into "Jericho's not coming back and you're all morons for thinking it."

"What you gather" from this has no actual bearing on what was written.

But when your argument's dead, you try and change the subject. Just like when you said that my point supported your point. When I pointed out that what I said did not such thing, you changed the argument.

[Inadequacy]

I think that if you two (kk and noid) ever meet in real life, you're gonna argue for a couple minutes and then just start making out.

Kind of like Sam and Diane from cheers.

[thedamndest]

Update based on Raw (Spoilers): I take back my dreams of this reign.

[U-Warrior]

I hate WWE now and forever.

[Bad Company]

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Indifferent Clox]

Kane Knight, You neg rep me constantly, yet I find myself enjoying your posts. I hate this about myself and you. One day you will go far in the world of whatever it is you do all day. Perhaps writing.

Noid you write quite a bit of fan fiction and one day you could be a writer at TNA or some other thing that no one will ever see. Good luck.


Uwarrior, you probably won't read this but would you like to grab a pizza sometime and smoke a bowl and talk about japanese wrestling? I would. Thank you.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Except nothing I said actually dismissed your opinion. You're trying to force this notion like a square peg into a round hole. You call it vague, but again, that's not really the case. The problem really isn't me. When I said "I hope Jericho's coming back, but you guys are jumping the gun," You turned that into "Jericho's not coming back and you're all morons for thinking it." "What you gather" from this has no actual bearing on what was written. But when your argument's dead, you try and change the subject. Just like when you said that my point supported your point. When I pointed out that what I said did not such thing, you changed the argument.

Your metaphor is really shitty. If you take your meaning from it, you get "you don't always get the best choice for WWE Champion," to which I must ask why being qualified automatically disqualifies you as a realistic choice for WWE Champion, despite getting a push? Then there was my interpretation of what you meant, which is that anyone can be WWE Champion. How does that eliminate Regal, either?

If the point was not to eliminate Regal as a realistic pick for a future WWE Champion, I don't see why you are arguing against me. If it is, you should really think of better metaphors that actually make that point, instead of leaving them so open you can drive a train through them.

Maybe I did take liberties with your original post in this thread, but I find it very hypocritical that you make a statement to The CyNick like "Whether you like it or not, Matt Hardy could have been huge," (which I agree with), and then contest my post pretty much saying "Whether you like it or not, William Regal could be huge." As I said, we aren't talking opinions, you are wrong, we are reading the WWE's programming, and making predictions. These could be called opinions like someone savvy about cars might form an "opinion" on whether it can be made road worthy for a reasonable price.

I disagreed with Bad Company's review of Regal, and you contested my review of Company's review by saying that "well, everything's an orange here." Not true.

Also, I don't recall reading "I hope Jericho's coming back, but you guys are jumping the gun," I recall "*Poster's name* *condescending remark about how it's obvious Jericho isn't coming back yet*" You completely missed the point that most people knew that, and were being hopeful for the sake of entertaining themselves, and that speculation was part of the game. But I don't want to dig up that old argument again. No point arguing with a cinderblock.

Maybe you honestly meant to not be condescending to a lot of the posters who were half-seriously discussing return ideas for Chris Jericho, but that's how you come off most of the time -- an arrogant dick-weed. It's why I'm convinced that you're not going to become the successful writer you want to be. You're not smart enough for the intellectual crowd that will sit and pick apart your workings; they will see right through you and know that you are like the kid in high school who thought that the bigger and more exotic sounding synonym was always the better choice for his work. You're unfortunately too condescending to appeal to mainstream audiences, either. You come off as the textbook "person with above average intelligence trying to sound like a prodigy." Maybe in your real writing, you are not that arrogant, but I doubt it, seeing as you still seem convinced that what you mean is what everyone in the world hears.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As for Regal, I can see him returning to the ring full-time now (well, in storylines, I'm sure he'll continue to go weeks without wrestling, and may not work as many house shows), or maybe heading to SmackDown! to win the vacated World Heavyweight Championship.

[Bad Company]

Maybe they'll make him Champion of Heat.

[The Optimist]

Hilarious. I like Bad Company wallowing around happily in Raw's shitty failure.

[The Optimist]

Either way, it was fun while it lasted. I really can't get the direction here, so I won't even try.

[Bad Company]

I dunno what the fuck they are doing, but it's gonna be stupid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is some hope for it, I guess. I really don't get the idea behind having Regal supported as General Manager by Vince one week, and then fired two weeks later, or so. I admit that I think I'll like Theodore Long as RAW General Manager (it seems to be what they hinted), as he has been wasted on SmackDown! for quite a while, pushing Vickie Guerrero around. Why was he even demoted to Assistant General Manager in the first place?

William Regal really should go to SmackDown! and win the vacant World Heavyweight Championship. The Undertaker winning it is not something Vince seems keen on, and Edge as World Heavyweight Champion has been done quite thoroughly. Regal with the belt could be...interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Bad Company Maybe they'll make him Champion of Heat.

I honestly don't know why they haven't revived the European Championship and established it as the unofficial championship of Heat. Val Venis and Charlie Haas could have traded the belt back and forth a few times in some good matches, and it'd create the illusion of depth on their resumes.

[The Optimist]

Teddy Long wasn't demoted so much as he was indisposed while he was in the hospital for the stroke or heart attack he had during the Wedding. Or whatever. Vickie was the replacement, and since WWE doesn't remember that it doesn't make sense he immediately became her errand boy when he was healthy.

[addy2hotty]

Fuck the WWE, fuck Vince and fuck the writers.

The BEST thing they had going, they've nipped in the bud completely, for no apparent reason. Regal was getting more heat than I can remember in recent times, just for standing in the ring.

I'm not bothering to watch now, if the spoilers/results spring something up decent with Regal, then maybe I'll bother. I can't for the life of me see how they think this is good. They had it great, carry this on into ONS and then begin the Regal/HHH feud they teased the other week.

I guess Vince wants his spot back or something, fuck knows.

[Outsider]

Originally Posted by addy2hotty Fuck the WWE, fuck Vince and fuck the writers. The BEST thing they had going, they've nipped in the bud completely, for no apparent reason. Regal was getting more heat than I can remember in recent times, just for standing in the ring. I'm not bothering to watch now, if the spoilers/results spring something up decent with Regal, then maybe I'll bother. I can't for the life of me see how they think this is good. They had it great, carry this on into ONS and then begin the Regal/HHH feud they teased the other week. I guess Vince wants his spot back or something, fuck knows.

Well at least we have the answer to this now.

[Mooияakeя™]

Well, tbh, I think all the people who slated WWE's booking, whilst they have no faith, u should at least give them a week to see if something crops up or to see where the next RAW would take it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, I guess we have a new reason to answer "no" to this question now. I still think we may see it, we'll just see it take a bit longer.

[BigDaddyCool]

Not anymore. How has Bob Tista not been caught with drugs yet?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Inadequacy I think that if you two (kk and noid) ever meet in real life, you're gonna argue for a couple minutes and then just start making out. Kind of like Sam and Diane from cheers.

Nah. I'd be more likely to make out with BDC. He has the benefit of not being mentally handicapped or Australian.

No offense to KYR.

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox Kane Knight, You neg rep me constantly, yet I find myself enjoying your posts. I hate this about myself and you. One day you will go far in the world of whatever it is you do all day. Perhaps writing.

I'd recommend not going so far out of your way to annoy people or take shots at me. Might change the perspective.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Noid Your metaphor is really shitty. If you take your meaning from it, you get "you don't always get the best choice for WWE Champion," to which I must ask why being qualified automatically disqualifies you as a realistic choice for WWE Champion, despite getting a push? Then there was my interpretation of what you meant, which is that anyone can be WWE Champion. How does that eliminate Regal, either? If the point was not to eliminate Regal as a realistic pick for a future WWE Champion, I don't see why you are arguing against me. If it is, you should really think of better metaphors that actually make that point, instead of leaving them so open you can drive a train through them. Maybe I did take liberties with your original post in this thread, but I find it very hypocritical that you make a statement to The CyNick like "Whether you like it or not, Matt Hardy could have been huge," (which I agree with), and then contest my post pretty much saying "Whether you like it or not, William Regal could be huge." As I said, we aren't talking opinions, you are wrong, we are reading the WWE's programming, and making predictions. These could be called opinions like someone savvy about cars might form an "opinion" on whether it can be made road worthy for a reasonable price. I disagreed with Bad Company's review of Regal, and you contested my review of Company's review by saying that "well, everything's an orange here." Not true. Also, I don't recall reading "I hope Jericho's coming back, but you guys are jumping the gun," I recall "*Poster's name* *condescending remark about how it's obvious Jericho isn't coming back yet*" You completely missed the point that most people knew that, and were being hopeful for the sake of entertaining themselves, and that speculation was part of the game. But I don't want to dig up that old argument again. No point arguing with a cinderblock. Maybe you honestly meant to not be condescending to a lot of the posters who were half-seriously discussing return ideas for Chris Jericho, but that's how you come off most of the time -- an arrogant dick-weed. It's why I'm convinced that you're not going to become the successful writer you want to be. You're not smart enough for the intellectual crowd that will sit and pick apart your workings; they will see right through you and know that you are like the kid in high school who thought that the bigger and more exotic sounding synonym was always the better choice for his work. You're unfortunately too condescending to appeal to mainstream audiences, either. You come off as the textbook "person with above average intelligence trying to sound like a prodigy." Maybe in your real writing, you are not that arrogant, but I doubt it, seeing as you still seem convinced that what you mean is what everyone in the world hears.

So you're back to making things up. Of course, if you completely redefine the argument, then you can conveniently decide nothing I say makes sense.

Also, if you don't recall what I said, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Why? Because you continued to assert that wasn't what I was saying even after the Critic/44 Mag pointed it out explicitly.

Let me make things easy for you:

• I am not responsible for what you forget.
• I am not responsible for what you infer.
• I am not responsible for what you put in my mouth.

Don't blame me because you can't remember, can't read can't reason, and can't tell the truth.

[Kane Knight]

Oh, and by the way, people were bitching and pissed at WWE for something that was never promised with Jericho. That's a pretty different story from the one you're trying to paint.