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Old 07-01-2008, 03:47 AM   #1
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Edge was also the IC champion going into the show where he cashed the money in the bank case and had TWO title shot oppotunities that year.
No, Edge wasn't the IC Champion going in, Edge last IC Title Reign ended when he got injured in the Summer of 2004, Ric Flair was the Intercontinental Champion who was Edge first opponent that faithful night he cashed in.

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.

But you were right, Edge was built up alot better then Punk was, while Edge per say wasn't billed as a threat to the WWE Championship (He should of been if they were crediting Masters and Carlito as being contenders for it) He was mostly being built up as a Solid Mid Card Guy.

RVD was the same way honestly, with the Exception of Edge's second MITB Cash In, Everyone leading up to it was nothing more then a Midcarder thrusted into the Main Event.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:53 AM   #2
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No, Edge wasn't the IC Champion going in, Edge last IC Title Reign ended when he got injured in the Summer of 2004, Ric Flair was the Intercontinental Champion who was Edge first opponent that faithful night he cashed in.

He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.

But you were right, Edge was built up alot better then Punk was, while Edge per say wasn't billed as a threat to the WWE Championship (He should of been if they were crediting Masters and Carlito as being contenders for it) He was mostly being built up as a Solid Mid Card Guy.

RVD was the same way honestly, with the Exception of Edge's second MITB Cash In, Everyone leading up to it was nothing more then a Midcarder thrusted into the Main Event.
In late 2004, Edge and Chris Benoit did both pin Triple H in a match, which led to the World Heavyweight Championship being vacated (which The Game won right back in an Elimination Chamber, fuck I hated Triple H's schemes to get his World Title count up). I agree with your general point, but I think the specifics are out. I'm sure Edge would have received other title shots, too. I don't think it really matters. Paul London wrestled for the WWE Championship in his first WWE match. That doesn't make him a credible threat to the WWE Title now, sadly.

You have to keep in mind that CM Punk is a former ECW Champion, too. Sure, the belt is obviously behind the World Heavyweight Title and WWE Title, and it's had some questionable champions and a lot of guys have won the belt as their first major championship, which has led to its status being contested, but to the average fan, that would rank higher than being IC Champion or US Champion. And they'd probably consider it a valid World Title.

To a lot of people, this would actually be CM Punk's second run with a World Title. It's not exactly breaking the ice with the guy.
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Old 07-01-2008, 04:49 AM   #3
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He also only had one title shot, before he cashed in when he won the Gold Rush Tournament.
Gold Rush and Money In The Bank. How many title shots is this?

And Edge wasn't loosing clean the Charlie Haas and Val Venis for months leading to his title win.
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Old 07-01-2008, 05:32 AM   #4
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Gold Rush and Money In The Bank. How many title shots is this?

And Edge wasn't loosing clean the Charlie Haas and Val Venis for months leading to his title win.
Neither was CM Punk.

I get what you're saying about Punk being built up. It would be super cool if he could have won the World Title in a similar way to Stone Cold Steve Austin. I don't think the way that Punk won was "bad," though. Especially given that he is Mr. Money in the Bank. When you hold that title opportunity, going over in a sneak attack is the best way to do it. The fans marked out when Punk cashed in the shot, and it created a moment that lots of people are calling the best on RAW in a long time.

Marks will eat up anything the WWE throws at them. If John Cena and JBL didn't sink the WWE as WWE Champion, I doubt CM Punk will as World Heavyweight Champion. Let's just see how the ratings go before we start calling this a failure and a misfire. With the big gold belt, that he lost to Chavo Guerrero won't matter. Fans will see him giving JBL the GTS and think "Wow! CM Punk has become awesome!" even if they didn't think it before hand (which a lot of them would). Besides, by bringing the World Heavyweight Title to RAW, CM Punk is RAW's redeemer. He has brought them a World Title when John Cena and Batista couldn't. SmackDown! fans are also going to love him for taking the belt off Edge.

Smarks really couldn't give a fuck about how Punk was built heading into the match. It's CM fucking Punk with the fucking World Title! I appreciate the intellect you are trying to bring to the situation, Rob, but I think you are in a very small minority analysing the situation as much as you are. I actually think it is a very fast and efficient way to get CM Punk to fill the spot on RAW that was left with Triple H leaving for SmackDown!.

I'm curious as to see whether or not this will effect ratings. I'm not going to call CM Punk a draw, or anything, but it's something different, much like Edge ending John Cena's reign for the first time was, and that spiked ratings for a bit, didn't it?
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