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Old 07-01-2008, 10:31 AM   #81
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:43 AM   #82
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:01 AM   #83
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@ that cartoon with Punk & Joe.

I am very happy with CM Punk winning the World Heavyweight Championship. I think WWE will use this as a shock-tv moment to try and help ratings as well as establish the new blood on RAW. This could be an important night in the long run, as this could be the 1st night of a "new era" in RAW (and WWE). Cena/Bats is inevitable, but you need established stars to help build up the new guys like CM Punk and Kofi.
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I don't see why people need to get so wound up about the whole 'Punk not being built up' shit. It was just an excuse to get the title back on Raw. He'll lose it at either the GAB or Summerslam tops, and won't be remembered again. It just signifies the beauty of money in the bank, anyone can win. No guy necessarily needs any build to perform their finisher on a weakened guy and then get the pin.

In a normal situation I probably would be a bit pissed at this booking, but it's just a more exciting way of getting the belt back on Raw, and garners more interest than we would have had if Batista or Cena won on Sunday. That would have been the easy option.
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I see Batista turning and beating Punk at some point. Summerslam like I said. But the rest I cannot see. They desperately need a top heel and a Batista/Cena program is looming

I'm almost believing the reason they gave Punk the Title last night was to get the title on Raw in the most sufficient way as to not make Edge look bad and to get a World Title on Raw. It was a quick out for them. Batista kicks the shit out of Edge and Punk finishes it. This allows thier flagship show to get their World Title back and allows Edge to move into a feud with Trips.

I just don't see Punk lasting long at all and his reign is going to be filled with Cena/Batista in the mixture. I just hope they don't make him look like an ass. i.e. make him look like a weakling compared to the others. Unfortunately, I see the Chris Benoit treatment ahead for this short title run.
You may be very right, but I think people are setting their expectations a little low with Punk winning the World Heavyweight Title. I guess the upside to that is that it's very easy to meet low expecations.

I just don't understand why they didn't just move the belt at Night of Champions if they didn't want to make a big deal out of the Punk thing. I mean, I think the switch was done on RAW to create a RAW moment, something I think the WWE really waned to do with this. If the ratings don't drop, and if the fans are vocally into Punk as WHC, I think the WWE will keep the belt on him for a while.

Batista vs. Cena may happen, but it could happen away from the World Heavyweight Title, or it could be put off until WrestleMania, or something.
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3/4 of me enjoys the CM Punk victory because it was one of those moments involving people that i like (if Jeff Hardy were to win the title like this last night from Edge, the roof would've came off...which would've been perfect with Edge and Jeff's bro Matt having a history) and 1/4 i liked it because i knew that HHH/Edge is right around the corner and will probably be one of the best fueds of the year, probably the past 5 years.
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What just made it so fucking hot was how long it took Lilian to announce the match. Like this definitely was not planned AT ALL. I just knew somewhere between her announcing and Punk getting the GTS off that someone would interfere or something. Man, what a RAW..haven't been this excited since Jericho's return.
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3/4 of me enjoys the CM Punk victory because it was one of those moments involving people that i like (if Jeff Hardy were to win the title like this last night from Edge, the roof would've came off...which would've been perfect with Edge and Jeff's bro Matt having a history) and 1/4 i liked it because i knew that HHH/Edge is right around the corner and will probably be one of the best fueds of the year, probably the past 5 years.
What I'd have liked more than Jeff Hardy cashing in Money in the Bank: Matt Hardy slides into the ring, gives the referee Jeff's briefcase, and explains something to the referee. Matt hits the Twist of Fate on Edge, and pins him.

Jeff Hardy explains later that night that he allowed Matt to take the shot at Edge, because they are brothers, Matt has always been there for him, and he got a lot more personal satisfaction out of the moment. Jeff would like the shot Matt agreed to give him in exchange for being allowed to take the moment. Matt Hardy then hits Jeff Hardy with the World Heavyweight Title, and does a complete heel turn.
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:10 PM   #91
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15 hours later...AND CM PUNK IS STILL THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:20 PM   #92
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So ecstatic.

Anyway, I'm thinking that Batista will be the one who takes the belt off Punk down the line...jealousy that Punk actually was the one to beat Edge and that Bats did all the work. Batista wins the title and the mandatory rematch, and we get Cena winning the Rumble again, and there's your WM main event I guess.
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I watched that segment.

They have been talking about turning Batista, this would be a great way. However, I thought it would be Batista at the end helping him keep the title. Which would be like Batista is basically his bigger buddy saving his title reign. Would suck for Punk, but I dont think he's the long term champion, so it doesn't matter.

The way RAW ended, it made me think they will do Cena vs Punk vs JBL, and I dont think Punk comes out of that with the title.

Great show though IMO.
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It was a dream.

Next Monday John Cena's going to wake up and it's going to be like nothing has happened since he lost the championship and it's going to be like he was never injured.
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I really don't think the situation is that much different than Bret winning the title for the first time.
It was random and out of nowhere, and he really wasn't a bonafide top guy until later title wins.
But I think the timing and reasoning is similar. Like Bret, I think Punk is chosen to get a impromptu push to the stars to shake things up and get a new fresh face in the main event scene, to inject some unpredictablity and youth into the title scene. I also think it's part of a new generation of main eventers.

I don't think it's any coincidence that Raw has shaken up everything and now has no signs of veterans other than HBK who works a reduced schedule and never holds any titles. They've gone the full mile by ushering in a new lead commentator, pushing very young stars to their midcard and tag team titles and it only seems natural to have new blood at the top as well.
With the departure of HHH, the top level of Raw is finally on it's own as a new generation. I don't think it's a coincidence that Cena, Orton and Batista are together on the flagship brand. Instead of using veterans as a crutch I think they've just accepted them as the present and are putting young stars in there with them.
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If they wanted an easy way to get a title on Raw, Bats would have won. There is something more to this, so maybe it is a New "New Generation"
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But yeah, i agree jeritron, for once it seems i'm really hyped to see what happens next week. Maybe the really low ratings finally woke Vince up.
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I fast forwarded through his interview, I fast forwarded through his match with JBL.

That's pretty much how I'll treat his reign.

Punk as WHC and Kingston as IC champ on the A-show. I guess they really do want people to turn over to SD. Can't think of a time they had more underwhelming champions on Raw.
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I fast forwarded through his interview, I fast forwarded through his match with JBL.

That's pretty much how I'll treat his reign.

Punk as WHC and Kingston as IC champ on the A-show. I guess they really do want people to turn over to SD. Can't think of a time they had more underwhelming champions on Raw.
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The reason why I think this CM Punk as World Champion angle could work is because of all of the competition he has to deal with now that he is "the man" on RAW. There's John Cena, JBL, Chris Jericho, Lance Cade, and HBK and Orton when they return. He already defeated JBL last night, who is a former WWE Champion and WrestleMania main eventer, so they're at least putting more stock in him than they did with Mysterio.

Let's just see where the next few weeks take us with Punk. He's a good poster boy for the WWE right now with all of the steroid and drug shit just beginning to fall into the background. He's a great worker, he can talk, and programs against the aforementioned RAW talents would be fresh.

Punk is the goods with me.
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I think it would be wise to have him a fighting champion, but let him keep it a while, like Shawn Michaels original run. That long might be wishful thinking, but still a decent run could be a good thing for everyone.

First and foremost, it will create a new star.

Secondly, as a rookie champion and a smaller guy, he'll likely be an underdog, plus many probably expect him to lose it shortly. By defending it often, including on free tv, but without dropping it, it becomes a ratings draw. Maybe not a huge one, but by defending a title people actually think might change hands it means something.

Title matches mean nothing now because they're only on PPV and nobody expects them to change hands. When they do it can be seen coming from a mile and a half away. The same 3 or 4 dudes always hold it, and it takes until one of the big 4 ppvs or the 5th rematch until something gives. This is a big problem, and a champion who people want to see retain but worry may not is a draw. Also, a champion like him can go against a variety of opponents instead of a pool of 3. Like HBK in 96, he can defend against a new legit threat every month, instead of the repetition we see in the past 5 years. See the Attitude era.

Thirdly, everyones probably expecting him to lose as an underdog but if he keeps cheating defeat and somehow picking up clean victories against legit contenders he eventually becomes an overdog, and you have a fresh new star who is quickly over enough to put someone else over when he finally ends his first run.
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Old 07-01-2008, 06:57 PM   #108
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We finally get some freshness on Raw and not something we could've seen coming a mile away and people still aren't happy. I was on another board and some people there are already saying that Punk is the worst champ ever. Give it time ffs.
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Over 36 hours later....CM PUNK STILL WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION

and whats the official tally now? CM Punk WHC Teddy Hart 0
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:54 PM   #112
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Punk needs a new finish and a catch phrase.
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Something around the lines of the Pepsi Plunge and with the catchphrase "I'm better then you!"

Yep, came up with that all by myself...copyright and all.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:25 PM   #114
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Pepsi Plunge = Horrible Finisher.... I'm sorry, I never liked it. To easy to look shitty, to hard to set up. Great as a rare move, but finisher's shouldn't have intricate backup. A good finisher should come out of nowhere.

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Old 07-02-2008, 06:01 PM   #115
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Hi...just gotta second everyone who thinks Punk vs Batista should be his first feud as champion. I think it's pretty amazing that Punk is already World Heavyweight Champion, within two years of joining the WWE and most of the IWC thinking he would be mishandled and buried to hell. How many wrestlers have won the WWE title this fast in their careers? Orton, Lesnar, Angle and Austin? That's a hell of a list of names to be apart of.
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Austin doesn't belong on that list. He had been in the big three since 91 or so. And Orton isn't exactly one to celebrate, at least for his first reign...
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Sorry, I meant The Rock. I just mean that of the guys listed who have won the title so soon in their careers, all of them have been very successful in the WWE and have had the company behind them their whole careers. That's a good sign for Punk. The Rock and Kurt Angle don't need any explanation and neither does Lesnar since it was he who fucked it all up, as for Orton, I agree his first reign was bad but despite his numerous fuck-ups the company still kept pushing him and had faith in him. Although that was partially for the whole "third-generation" thing Vince has a hard-on for. None the less, I'm happy for Punk and think he has a great future in the WWE.
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When Orton returns, he needs to join up with Ted Dibiase and Cody Rhodes and make a new stable.

Orton and the Next Generation vs. CM Punk feud would be amazing.
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The thing about Punk's reign is though, he shouldn't lose it immediately. I mean, obviously, he won't hold it as long as HHH, Cena, Batista, ect. However, one thing that is refreshing about him as champ is that this is the first time in forever where somebody just randomly won the title. Punk might now draw at first, but it's one of those reigns where it will get better with each defense hopefully. Everybody thinks he will lose with each defense, but he will keep overcoming the odds, and people will be surprised every time he retains, and tune in to see him week after week. In other words, I'm not sure if it was the best idea or not at this point, but if it's handled right, it could possibly work.
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