Kane WTF? (Raw Spoilers)

[Afterlife]

Putting the mask on him does nothing. All it does is remask a guy for no reason. Taking it off "unleashed" his inner monster; exposed his evil. That made sense. Putting it on and hiding what we already know he looks like does....what, exactly?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Afterlife Putting the mask on him does nothing. All it does is remask a guy for no reason. Taking it off "unleashed" his inner monster; exposed his evil. That made sense. Putting it on and hiding what we already know he looks like does....what, exactly?

Putting a mask on him revives a marketable image and nostalgic feelings of the Kane character. I'm not going to reverse myself on this. Yes, there is a feeling of the Big Red Machine that will always carry with Kane, but if you unmasked Jason Voorhees, and then he went back to the mask a number of years later, don't convince yourself that it wouldn't sell, even if there was a story and fictional "improvement" in the direction of the Voorhees character for removing the mask.

Taking it off unleashed a more psychotic and human Kane. It was revealed his scars were more mental than physical, and he became something more of a broken mind than a soulless machine. That was cool. But now Kane is sort of running dry again, and this is coming from an epic Kane mark.

If taking the mask off Kane can somehow make him better (in a kayfabe sense), then why can't putting the mask on him be given the same effect? For example, what if Kane dipped his face in a bucket of acid? That is a deeply psychotic act, and would probably horrify a lot of little kids in the audience, and create a new arc for Kane. Not just revert back to an old one. Why can't Kane miss the good old days when he used to block out pain, and wreck things like a well-oiled killing machine? Why can't a new mask bridge the gap between psychotic Kane and supernatural Kane?

Another position of putting Kane in a new costume, is that it would allow him to hide his physique. I like Kane, but he's not longer the tanned, ripped fiend he was under the mask. He's still a big guy, and strong as hell, but he's a lot less intimidating than he used to be, physically. A costumed Kane could help hide that, and allow the imagination to fill in the blanks.

You seem to be under the assumption that Kane reverting to the mask has to be a step backwards, rather than a new path for Kane to follow.

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by Noid Calm the hell down? Chill man, I'm not getting worked up. Just saying I can't see the WWE going in the route you are going with it. I know I fantasy book all the time, and I'm not saying your idea is bad, I'm just saying that you presenting it as a good outcome of where this storyline could be going is a little weird. The WWE is not going to unmask Rey Mysterio, simply because he sells too much merchandise with it. It also doesn't make sense in relation to how the WWE usually does their storylines. Simple and chronological, with the audience being present even when they shouldn't be. If you meant us calming down as a collective regarding the general outrage this storyline seems to be heading, then I appreciate you waiting to see where it's going, which is what I think most of us have agreed to do, it's just that the storyline could have been handled much better. I mean, this Rey thing could turn out to be good. It's not the easiest way to make this good, though, and played off the expectations people had. The reason people had those expectations was because they wanted the WWE to go in that direction. There are times when playing against audience expectations can be good (when people are expecting shit, and you deliver awesomeness, for example). But when people want something, and you jerk them around, it's a bad way to play against expectations. The reason people have reacted like this, is mainly because they are disappointed. If you go over this thread, you'll see a lot of people who say "Well, I was interested in where this is going." If it turns out awesome, more power to the WWE, but they've lost a lot of people they had with this angle, and they have no one to blame for that but themselves. Besides, if Kane did unmask Mysterio, then why couldn't Rey put on one of his other fifty million masks? You know I love you, Afterlife.

Here's one: Maybe Kane just swiped that damn mask. Maybe Kane was talking about Mysterio's career being dead because he's a physical wreck and hardly worth his name. Maybe it has nothing to do with unmasking him at all.

Also, the reason I'm seeing for people to be "uninterested" is because they were wrong about the contents of the bag. Which leads me to....

Originally Posted by Noid Putting a mask on him revives a marketable image and nostalgic feelings of the Kane character. I'm not going to reverse myself on this. Yes, there is a feeling of the Big Red Machine that will always carry with Kane, but if you unmasked Jason Voorhees, and then he went back to the mask a number of years later, don't convince yourself that it wouldn't sell, even if there was a story and fictional "improvement" in the direction of the Voorhees character for removing the mask. Taking it off unleashed a more psychotic and human Kane. It was revealed his scars were more mental than physical, and he became something more of a broken mind than a soulless machine. That was cool. But now Kane is sort of running dry again, and this is coming from an epic Kane mark. If taking the mask off Kane can somehow make him better (in a kayfabe sense), then why can't putting the mask on him be given the same effect? For example, what if Kane dipped his face in a bucket of acid? That is a deeply psychotic act, and would probably horrify a lot of little kids in the audience, and create a new arc for Kane. Not just revert back to an old one. Why can't Kane miss the good old days when he used to block out pain, and wreck things like a well-oiled killing machine? Why can't a new mask bridge the gap between psychotic Kane and supernatural Kane? Another position of putting Kane in a new costume, is that it would allow him to hide his physique. I like Kane, but he's not longer the tanned, ripped fiend he was under the mask. He's still a big guy, and strong as hell, but he's a lot less intimidating than he used to be, physically. A costumed Kane could help hide that, and allow the imagination to fill in the blanks. You seem to be under the assumption that Kane reverting to the mask has to be a step backwards, rather than a new path for Kane to follow.

...The saddest part about it. You said it yourself, putting the mask on him would be "reverting" to the old shtick. Revertion is a step back. And the reason it's so sad is that everyone here must admit it's the only thing you can think of.

Kane has been knocked around so much that the only way the fans can figure to "move him forward" is to back track 5 years. As if, even after all this time, his character still teeters on a mask he doesn't even wear. Kane was an emphatic ECW champion; there is no reason his steam should blow out before he's in contention for the title on RAW, except that the writers are apparently as creative as at least our portion of the IWC.