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Why So Curious?
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And remember, they had a one year head start (which I already mentioned yet you completely ignored), and MS probably isn't going to be able to charge for XBL for long. Trust me, this M2M sales thing isn't hurting Sony any, and the M2M difference is continuing to get larger. Quote:
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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I didn't. I made a statement of rebuttal.
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I "ignored" the statement in the same way I "ignore" the possibilities that a Vogon Contructor Fleet might have used the WTC as a test for their demolition of Earth to make way for a new Hyperspace bypass. I should probably ignore the unfounded speculation that Microsoft "probably" won't be able to keep charging for long. However, if it'll stop you from bitching, that is unfounded spexulation. Quote:
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By the way, since Hasney mentioned the Attach Rates, NPD included TWO Pack-In titles for the Wii when factoring those numbers, dropping the actual numbers from 5.x to 3.x. Oh look. The numbers aren't that good when we dishonestly stack our deck. Nintendo also tries to throw in WiiWare into their RETAIL numbers. ![]() Quote:
But since you opened that door, isn't that the exact sort of attitude you're taking when you argue that Microsoft probably can't continue to charge for live? Are you going to presume to tell them whether or not they can charge for Live? No, you're not presuming to tell them that, nor am I presuming to tell them the price cuts are unnecessary. That isn't the point. Please don't make up arguments. If you don't understand, ask for clarifcation, rather than fabricating. Quote:
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An unfounded rumour continuing suddenly validates it? Quote:
I love how "they remember." It's vague, it's pointless, it's not born out by a loss of sales in 2007, when it was also being covered by all the blog sites. AKA: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull another rabbit out of my hat!" Quote:
Of course, Sony is completely trustworthy and this is 100% feasible....Not to mention the public will buy fact over rumour...Right? The 10 year plan will make the PS3 severely dated unless they let us upgrade more than just the HDD. The BD drive is already sorely dated. Quote:
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Granted, I don't believe Sony as blindly and faithfully as you do, but doesn't that undercut the whole thing you said earlier about Sony's ten year plan if they do end up answering the price cuts? Beyond that, it's not exactly the greatest of arguments, since Sony's still taking a bath, and reducing the price will have an impact on more than just sales....Or does that magically go away? Quote:
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However comma, I neither said it nor "basically" said it. You had to practically completely rewrite my statement in order to arrive at it. I'm going to have to echo Hasney's "ignorant or stupid" comment. I'm not sure which is the sadder possibility: That you feel the need to lie to make an argument, or that you might actually believe what you claim I said is even remotely accurate. |
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Why So Curious?
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So...you insulting me and anyone who dares to disagree with you (that you do often to people that CAN counterpoint you and choose to do so) is rebutting? Wow! That's a new definition.
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That and you also go into bully mode when you do start getting pwned. The only problem is that I have NO problem having this debate. Quote:
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But I see what you did here. You took something that we all agreed on and twisted it in order to fit into your argument. You're doing whatever you can to hold onto your argument that has lost any and all cred from anyone that isn't in your little circle of friends that will defend you no matter what. Again, tell me something I should be excited about from Nintendo, because I'm not sure where you heard this other crazy, killer app that blew everyone away! Quote:
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And plus....are you saying that IGN was wrong for making that opinion? Again, this is just an opinion. It's an opinion I agree with, and apparently a few other people ON HERE (in case you're looking for them) do, as well. Are you saying we're not allowed to EXPRESS that opinion? It's a well thought out opinion based upon how much improvement the competition has done to their own network. Sounds like you're having issue that people will believe something that you don't want them to believe. Quote:
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And you're talking about facts vs. opinions. It IS a fact that Sony's PS3 sold 20k more units than the 360 for the month of July. It's OPINION that we think MS should drop the charge on XBox Live (by the way, why would you bitch if they DID drop that charge? That's beneficial for you, right, and it would make the service even MORE attractive since it's supposed to be so much better, right?). It's very simple, really. Quote:
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Think about this for a minute: If you got a rumor that they deny (and of COURSE MS is going to deny it after the disaster that was the XBox to 360 transition where they pissed off EVERYONE by dropping XB1 support like a bad habit, why would they want to lose customers that were butthurt over that before but decided to give them a second chance with the 360 by making them think it will happen again so soon), but then someone else keeps hearing it and keeps spreading it, they're obviously SOME reason why the rumor doesn't die. Now, it's either they are stupid enough to keep spreading it, somoene at MS has too much time on their hands to fuck with people, or there is something MS is telling us. Tell me where this doesn't make sense to you. Quote:
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On the other hand, what happened to the original XB1 when MS introduced the 360? Did you hear anything else from that? MS drops support for the original XB1 (and for that matter, wanted to drop all support for WinXP earlier this year before people spoke up), and pretends the 360 is the only system they ever made. Now, if that was YOU who was not ready to commit to a new system with them doing that crap, how would YOU be feeling? This is not an extreme scenario because it's ALREADY HAPPENED, and MS has this reputation to just drop support for their old products to force people to commit to purchasing their newest stuff. So...where should anyone NOT be afraid that if and when MS announces a 720 that they will do the exact same damn thing again? How are you so confident? Quote:
And let's talk about this: Sony is so unbelievable and everyone takes them with a grain of salt, but MS has yet to tell a lie or blow up the truth in their favor, right? So, basically, no one is ever believable EXCEPT for MS? Having a hard time digesting THAT! And yes, you DID say this because you're the one bringing this 2012 thing up. And how is the BD drive outdated? A BD player that Sony had made is outdated in playing a format that Sony made! Not sure of the sense of that. Quote:
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What does MS have to compete with these advantages Sony could have going for them? Yes, they have the price cut that makes the Arcade version the cheapest out of the three system (which make it more attractive for someone wanting a cheap new system to buy for their kids or someone that won't give a shit about the hard drive). But they really don't have much of anything else. Now, you choosing to completely ignore ALL of that makes us tell something about what you wanted to tell us. Just because you don't type it up doesn't mean you weren't trying to make us see what you really wanted to type up. |
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