IGN: Top 10 Moves to Put 360 Back on Top

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower Like you usually do, you make an answer into a question.

I didn't. I made a statement of rebuttal.

I've already answered this point. You just didn't like the answer you got so you repeated the question as you not accepting such an answer for your failed reasons.

I'm not the one who tried to change the topic when it was brought up. I'm not repeating a question, because it's not a question. I'm not repeating it because I didn't like the answer. I'm repeating it because it's still valid.

And I'm sure I already addressed them elsewhere.

Replace "addressed" as "dismissed with bias" and you're probably correct.

And the dropping of the 360 price tag is showing a bit of desperation on MS. Why?

Wait...This, a move done by most manufacturers with almost all systems, is a move of desperation? Sweet.

And remember, they had a one year head start (which I already mentioned yet you completely ignored), and MS probably isn't going to be able to charge for XBL for long.

I will answer you the same way I would a "truther."

I "ignored" the statement in the same way I "ignore" the possibilities that a Vogon Contructor Fleet might have used the WTC as a test for their demolition of Earth to make way for a new Hyperspace bypass.

I should probably ignore the unfounded speculation that Microsoft "probably" won't be able to keep charging for long. However, if it'll stop you from bitching, that is unfounded spexulation.

But there is a such thing to consider as how MANY heavy hitters you have.

Right. And if you discount the apps one group has and stack the other....

I mentioned that MS only has one main IP that everyone is waiting for, Gears of War 2) while Sony has at least 3 (maybe 4 or 5 depending on if you count Killzone 2 as one and Home as another) coming out this year or very early next year.

For example.

I can't think of anything Nintendo is coming out with other than Wii Music (and we all know what reception they recieved from that). We've established that Sony has the strongest overall lineup of games for 2008, there was a reason we brought that into the conversation.

Wow. You're extending this to Nintendo not having anything else? Well, that certainly doesn't hurt your argument.

By the way, since Hasney mentioned the Attach Rates, NPD included TWO Pack-In titles for the Wii when factoring those numbers, dropping the actual numbers from 5.x to 3.x. Oh look. The numbers aren't that good when we dishonestly stack our deck. Nintendo also tries to throw in WiiWare into their RETAIL numbers.

Well, you go to MS and tell THEM that they didn't need the price cut they implimented, since you probably know more than they do.

Speaking of desperation...Now you're trying to make stuff up to make me look like I'm wrong.

But since you opened that door, isn't that the exact sort of attitude you're taking when you argue that Microsoft probably can't continue to charge for live? Are you going to presume to tell them whether or not they can charge for Live?

No, you're not presuming to tell them that, nor am I presuming to tell them the price cuts are unnecessary. That isn't the point. Please don't make up arguments. If you don't understand, ask for clarifcation, rather than fabricating.

So...you're saying it's not possible that anyone can do that quickly?

No, but we are talking the long game here.

Obviously you're also predicting that everything will be right in the world again in August!

Yes. That's exactly what I'm predicting. Oh, wait....

Don't let me stop you from dreaming what you want.

Says the guy who's talking about speculation against evidence....

Just be advised that you're welcome to come back to reality whenever you're ready to join us.

The reality you've fabricated in which analogous spikes immediately translate into a diamond future?

k.

And you'd think they would be dead by now, right? The same rumors that have been echoed by pretty much every other gaming blog site lately?

I don't suppose you realise how stupid that sounds...Nah. Be too easy.

An unfounded rumour continuing suddenly validates it?

So...Microsoft's sudden ignorance of the original XBox's existence when they introduced the 360 never happened? They remember how MS treated that situation.

Didn't say that.

I love how "they remember." It's vague, it's pointless, it's not born out by a loss of sales in 2007, when it was also being covered by all the blog sites.

AKA: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull another rabbit out of my hat!"

It didn't factor into my logic because of the 10-year life cycle claim that came from Sony....or did you forget that?

And MS execs have bandied about 2012...Hypocritical?

Of course, Sony is completely trustworthy and this is 100% feasible....Not to mention the public will buy fact over rumour...Right?

The 10 year plan will make the PS3 severely dated unless they let us upgrade more than just the HDD. The BD drive is already sorely dated.

That was not a valid counterpoint to anything I said that made you want to respond that way.

Except your statement was slanted. Faux news, DP. You're very quick to stoop to their level, despite BAWWWWing about them.

You're also assuming Sony won't answer the price cut or that no one will be interested in LBP or Resistence 2 (or, for that matter, a free online service or the Home service).

I'm not assuming the latter. Thanks for making that up. However, in terms of the former, Sony has explicitly stated they won't be answering the price cut, as has Nintendo.

Granted, I don't believe Sony as blindly and faithfully as you do, but doesn't that undercut the whole thing you said earlier about Sony's ten year plan if they do end up answering the price cuts?

Beyond that, it's not exactly the greatest of arguments, since Sony's still taking a bath, and reducing the price will have an impact on more than just sales....Or does that magically go away?

Pot, meet kettle.

You can say it, but since I'm not actually assuming...

Well, you're building a house of cards.

So you're saying that them wanting to use as much of 50GBs as possible is lazy? I don't get your logic of how developing on Blu Ray constitutes as being lazy

That's great, but since it's not what I said (I said it wasn't needed, as opposed to the argument of desirability you're now trying to attribute to me), arguments of redundancy and not getting my logic are kind of pointless. You're right. You don't get my logic. You then went on to make an unrelated argument. Well, more a tangentially related than anything, but fails to address me properly.

or the logic in developing for a more powerful console or making that console the lead platform of development is being lazy.

I want to know what orfice you're pulling these out of.

You're basically saying that anyone that wants to develop for the PS3 is lazy? Talk about making a pure fanboy comment.

We agree. That's a pure fanboy statement.

However comma, I neither said it nor "basically" said it. You had to practically completely rewrite my statement in order to arrive at it.

I'm going to have to echo Hasney's "ignorant or stupid" comment. I'm not sure which is the sadder possibility: That you feel the need to lie to make an argument, or that you might actually believe what you claim I said is even remotely accurate.