HBK sold out! (Raw spoilage)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Of course that's where they get it from. Though I'm curious as to why you assert they're not marketing it effectively. It seems that the one group they've massively hit it off with over the last couple of years. I mean, you can even argue that it's a bad idea to market to kids when the more desirable group is males in their late teens and twenties, but how can you effectively argue that they're not marketing to kids effectively? Even if they're "dressing up an adult product," it's been radically effective. Toy sales, merch like Mysterio masks, expanded kids' markets are all paying off. Even when the rest of the business isn't. Adults are more permissive and have been effectively enabling their children, even in weakened economic circumstances.

I don't see how you could say that they have. It's been half-hearted at the very best. I'm not saying Rey Mysterio masks do not sell. They would sell to kids during an era marketed to teens and adults, too.

If you want to know how I would market the product more suitably to kids? I'd get rid of the Diva shit. It embarrasses kids, because they either think girls are disgusting, are embarrassed by the concept of sex, or they're just not interested. God knows my nephew just fast-forwards through those segments and sighs when they are wasting his violence time.

Women would probably be better used in a more constructive way. The WWE are taking steps towards doing this, I'll give them that, but last time I checked the ladies in the WWE were meant to be cheered the more slutty they act.

I'd get rid of more cerebral characters like Chris Jericho, who appeals to an older demographic. His promos have been the best in the WWE, and his ring work has been tremendous, but kids would likely be bored by bad guys who think like that. Edge is OK, because you don't need to think about why you dislike him. He's a jock asshole who is also romantic and cheats all the time. A slightly more obvious bad guy than Chris Jericho. Kids love Shawn Michaels, but I imagine a lot of them would have been bored shitless by the Jericho vs. Michaels feud.

I'd have Jericho go back to his fun-loving old self. Then at least Jericho might move some t-shirts, hey?

And, BDC, stand-up comedy isn't my day job. I've got business qualifications (nothing huge) and experience. A lot of my friends are in business, and it's always been something easy to get, although nothing I've ever had more than a fleeting interest in. Got out of there when I realised it was nowhere near what I wanted to do during these years of my life. Thanks for showing an interest in my life, though.

If you were asking what a stand-up comic in general knows about business or marketing? I imagine some of them would know quite a lot. Most of the comedians I know have an interest in things like that. You get comics that come from all different places. In a single show, I've worked with an IT guy, a taxi driver, a marketing officer, an aspiring filmmaker, a tradie, a nurse and an author. It's not your usual group of people. Stand-up comedy comes from experience, so a lot of more seasoned comedians draw from their past employment in things like business, or at least understand that business is something relatable to a lot of people, so they'll have a sound knowledge of it. If you study comedy at an institution, a lot of places around here teach you some marketing and financial stuff to help you map your career out and market yourself to give yourself the best image for your style possible.

Granted, that's only basic stuff, but what you asked about a stand-up comedian knowing about business is quite similar to me asking you what a redneck knows about accounting. You may not associate one with the other, but it really doesn't mean shit.

Marketing is something I've actually thought about re-visiting, but have decided against, because the courses over here for marketing a really quite give and take. You choose marketing as a major of a business degree that contains all these other compotents of stuff you may not be interested in, and may not ever use again. There are other options, but they involve starting in the business, and working your way up the ladder whilst doing extracurricular study in the field, which is OK, but not something I have the time to do.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Noid I don't see how you could say that they have. It's been half-hearted at the very best. I'm not saying Rey Mysterio masks do not sell. They would sell to kids during an era marketed to teens and adults, too. If you want to know how I would market the product more suitably to kids? I'd get rid of the Diva shit. It embarrasses kids, because they either think girls are disgusting, are embarrassed by the concept of sex, or they're just not interested. God knows my nephew just fast-forwards through those segments and sighs when they are wasting his violence time. Women would probably be better used in a more constructive way. The WWE are taking steps towards doing this, I'll give them that, but last time I checked the ladies in the WWE were meant to be cheered the more slutty they act. I'd get rid of more cerebral characters like Chris Jericho, who appeals to an older demographic. His promos have been the best in the WWE, and his ring work has been tremendous, but kids would likely be bored by bad guys who think like that. Edge is OK, because you don't need to think about why you dislike him. He's a jock asshole who is also romantic and cheats all the time. A slightly more obvious bad guy than Chris Jericho. Kids love Shawn Michaels, but I imagine a lot of them would have been bored shitless by the Jericho vs. Michaels feud. I'd have Jericho go back to his fun-loving old self. Then at least Jericho might move some t-shirts, hey? And, BDC, stand-up comedy isn't my day job. I've got business qualifications (nothing huge) and experience. A lot of my friends are in business, and it's always been something easy to get, although nothing I've ever had more than a fleeting interest in. Got out of there when I realised it was nowhere near what I wanted to do during these years of my life. Thanks for showing an interest in my life, though. If you were asking what a stand-up comic in general knows about business or marketing? I imagine some of them would know quite a lot. Most of the comedians I know have an interest in things like that. You get comics that come from all different places. In a single show, I've worked with an IT guy, a taxi driver, a marketing officer, an aspiring filmmaker, a tradie, a nurse and an author. It's not your usual group of people. Stand-up comedy comes from experience, so a lot of more seasoned comedians draw from their past employment in things like business, or at least understand that business is something relatable to a lot of people, so they'll have a sound knowledge of it. If you study comedy at an institution, a lot of places around here teach you some marketing and financial stuff to help you map your career out and market yourself to give yourself the best image for your style possible. Granted, that's only basic stuff, but what you asked about a stand-up comedian knowing about business is quite similar to me asking you what a redneck knows about accounting. You may not associate one with the other, but it really doesn't mean shit. Marketing is something I've actually thought about re-visiting, but have decided against, because the courses over here for marketing a really quite give and take. You choose marketing as a major of a business degree that contains all these other compotents of stuff you may not be interested in, and may not ever use again. There are other options, but they involve starting in the business, and working your way up the ladder whilst doing extracurricular study in the field, which is OK, but not something I have the time to do.

Shut up noid. You know nothing.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Noid Granted, that's only basic stuff, but what you asked about a stand-up comedian knowing about business is quite similar to me asking you what a redneck knows about accounting. You may not associate one with the other, but it really doesn't mean shit.

What you did to that metaphor probably violates the Geneva Convention.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Noid me asking you what a redneck knows about accounting

That one statement proves you completely missed the point. You have claimed to be a stand up comic. So asking you what a stand up comic knows about marketing, is a valid question.

I on the other hand, have never claimed to be a redneck, but I am in fact an accounant. So by you claiming I am something I never claimed to be and something I am not, then asking what the fasle statement would know about what I really do is complete crap. I know quiet a lot about being an accountant because I am one.

Back to point, I think WWE know a little more about how to market to kids that you do. Every big toy store or walmart or target I have been to lately has a larger percentage of WWE toys to any other brand of toys including transformers, nerf guns, G.I. Joe, Marvel action figure, and Star Wars. If WWE toys didn't sell, stores like Walmart and Target wouldn't give them shelf space.

Also, if you take a look at WWE finaical statements, merch sales are up. Particularly t-shirt sales and toys. So why don't you shut up with your armchair business plan.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Also, if you take a look at WWE finaical statements, merch sales are up.

Here's one question that I DO have.

Just because someone (or a group of people) turn heel, will this automatically mean that merchandise sales will go down (or be almost non-existent).

For example - when Hulk Hogan joined the New World Order back in 1996, nWo shirts started selling like crazy.

That's why I wonder - if someone like Cena were to do something 'shocking' within a year or so (and perhaps form a new group or whatever), would merchandise sales necessarily be affected?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Hunter Heyman Hindu Here's one question that I DO have. Just because someone (or a group of people) turn heel, will this automatically mean that merchandise sales will go down (or be almost non-existent). For example - when Hulk Hogan joined the New World Order back in 1996, nWo shirts started selling like crazy. That's why I wonder - if someone like Cena were to do something 'shocking' within a year or so (and perhaps form a new group or whatever), would merchandise sales necessarily be affected?

That demographic isn't buying shirts anymore, as wrestling is, once again, seen as non-mainstream. It's the kids that are buying this shit.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool That one statement proves you completely missed the point. You have claimed to be a stand up comic. So asking you what a stand up comic knows about marketing, is a valid question. I on the other hand, have never claimed to be a redneck, but I am in fact an accounant. So by you claiming I am something I never claimed to be and something I am not, then asking what the fasle statement would know about what I really do is complete crap. I know quiet a lot about being an accountant because I am one. Back to point, I think WWE know a little more about how to market to kids that you do. Every big toy store or walmart or target I have been to lately has a larger percentage of WWE toys to any other brand of toys including transformers, nerf guns, G.I. Joe, Marvel action figure, and Star Wars. If WWE toys didn't sell, stores like Walmart and Target wouldn't give them shelf space. Also, if you take a look at WWE finaical statements, merch sales are up. Particularly t-shirt sales and toys. So why don't you shut up with your armchair business plan.

Way to steal my line, jerk!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight What you did to that metaphor probably violates the Geneva Convention.

You re-using that tired old joke would drive the Geneva Convention to Zoloft.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool That one statement proves you completely missed the point. You have claimed to be a stand up comic. So asking you what a stand up comic knows about marketing, is a valid question. I on the other hand, have never claimed to be a redneck, but I am in fact an accounant. So by you claiming I am something I never claimed to be and something I am not, then asking what the fasle statement would know about what I really do is complete crap. I know quiet a lot about being an accountant because I am one.

No, it proves that you missed my point. You're hanging way too much on the "claiming" part. I told you what a stand-up comedian could know about marketing. I even specifically pointed out an instance where I worked with a guy who has a degree in marketing.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Back to point, I think WWE know a little more about how to market to kids that you do. Every big toy store or walmart or target I have been to lately has a larger percentage of WWE toys to any other brand of toys including transformers, nerf guns, G.I. Joe, Marvel action figure, and Star Wars. If WWE toys didn't sell, stores like Walmart and Target wouldn't give them shelf space. Also, if you take a look at WWE finaical statements, merch sales are up. Particularly t-shirt sales and toys. So why don't you shut up with your armchair business plan.

Of course the WWE know how to market to kids better than I do. They also know how to put on a better wrestling product than you do. Therefore everytime you see something you don't think is wise on WWE TV (for example, how Chris Jericho won the World Heavyweight Title), you need to shut the fuck up? If that's your belief, do so, it'd actually be fantastic. Last time I checked it was alright to discuss things such as this, though.

As much as I am sick of saying this phrase, your points here are completely made of straw. You suck, BDC, you just do. I never said the WWE doesn't appeal to kids at all, or that they aren't even doing better at it than they were last time financial reports were released. I just questioned if they are doing it as well as they should be, considering how down ratings, PPV buys and stock is.

I also didn't suggest I could market to kids better. I suggested ways they could possible do it. In fact, I made a point to say that they shouldn't market to kids. At risk of sounding redundnat -- you suck, BDC, you just do.

[Heyman]

Just curious - where did this BDC/Kane Knight hatred of Noid come from? I don't post here much and so I am not aware of the social dynamics.

Did Kane Knight join the clique?

Is Noid an enemy of the clique?

WHAT IS GOING ON.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Hunter Heyman Hindu Just curious - where did this BDC/Kane Knight hatred of Noid come from? I don't post here much and so I am not aware of the social dynamics. Did Kane Knight join the clique? Is Noid an enemy of the clique? WHAT IS GOING ON.

Noid is just an easy target cause of his(sometimes) ridiculously long posts.(not that i have anything against noid, btw)