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Old 02-11-2009, 09:31 PM   #1
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I'm starting to think that if they could make ECW a two-hour show. It'd probably be too much for the WWE to handle, but I think they've got the talent there to get it done, and for it to still be the best piece of WWE programming in the WWE week.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:34 PM   #3
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I will say that I preferred the non-remixed theme though. I would guess they changed it A) to sell a new CD B) because the TNA song also had a female singer C) just because he's coming back, why not. In that order.
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I will say that I preferred the non-remixed theme though. I would guess they changed it A) to sell a new CD B) because the TNA song also had a female singer C) just because he's coming back, why not. In that order.
Agreed. He didn't even use the original version for all that long before he left, I think.
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You lose me when you do things like throwing Paul Burchill in the mix with it being "stacked"

It's a strong roster with some great wrestlers. I wouldn't say it's anything close to too stacked though. They would need a handful of established main eventers for that to happen.

I do share your enthusiasm for the show at this current moment though.
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You lose me when you do things like throwing Paul Burchill in the mix with it being "stacked"

It's a strong roster with some great wrestlers. I wouldn't say it's anything close to too stacked though. They would need a handful of established main eventers for that to happen.

I do share your enthusiasm for the show at this current moment though.
I know Burchill isn't a main event talent, or anything, but I wasn't referring to the tiers of wrestlers it represents. I mean that if you take a look at who exactly is on the roster, there is so much potential there that it almost makes me wish for a two-hour show. Burchill and Noble could wrestle for twenty minutes alone, for all I care.
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It's got the right mix of new-comers and veterans now, and only being and hour show they usually don't bullshit you with backstage shit or fifteen minutes of Behind Enemy Lines Colombia promos. It's definitely the best use of WWE time for the week.
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I would cream my pants if they did a Christian/Edge/Jeff/Matt ladder match at the Bash because I am going to be there. It would be more epic than Shelly Martinez selling her pants on eBay.
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They don't have the potential for a two hour show. Christian helps, but after him you have Swagger and Finlay.
Bourne and Miz/Morrison are exciting, but they're just midcarders being groomed for Raw.

Raw and Smackdown have far deeper rosters, and even they sometimes have a hard time producing a 2 hour show. Just in the past year they've both improved a lot, but any roster of Raw or Smackdown from the past 7 years has been deeper than ECW's is now.

A 2 hour ECW would not be good. There's only one or two main event stars, if that, and a couple of solid midcard potential.
It's a great 1 hour show, and it could be getting greater, but...yea.

I think if they threw like 2 or 3 more legit main eventers and an uppermidcard star on the show, then maybe it'd be a stronger argument, but as of right now I see none.
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They don't have the potential for a two hour show. Christian helps, but after him you have Swagger and Finlay.
Bourne and Miz/Morrison are exciting, but they're just midcarders being groomed for Raw.

Raw and Smackdown have far deeper rosters, and even they sometimes have a hard time producing a 2 hour show. Just in the past year they've both improved a lot, but any roster of Raw or Smackdown from the past 7 years has been deeper than ECW's is now.

A 2 hour ECW would not be good. There's only one or two main event stars, if that, and a couple of solid midcard potential.
It's a great 1 hour show, and it could be getting greater, but...yea.

I think if they threw like 2 or 3 more legit main eventers and an uppermidcard star on the show, then maybe it'd be a stronger argument, but as of right now I see none.
You're right, but I think they could make a two-hour show work. It'd just be a different formula to their other shows. You'd have to give the mid-carders more time. For example, Paul Burchill and Jamie Noble should be allowed to actually work matches. Every week, you'd feature some sort of special "RAW vs. SmackDown!" match, to advertise those two shows. John Morrison & The Miz work their usual magic, and with other guys like Ricky Ortiz, DJ Gabriel, The Boogeyman, Mark Henry, the main eventers and the women still floating around, I think you could pace it out.

I probably wouldn't do it every week, unless they heavily changed the rosters around, but a two-hour special edition of ECW every now and then would be kind of cool.
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Personally I'd like to see them combine Raw and Smackdown somewhere down the line, cut a lot of fat (Mark Henry's and Kozlovs) and force a lot of retirements (JBL, Taker).

Then they could send some of the top guys that would be lost in the shuffle, like Rey, Jeff and Jericho to ECW, and make that two hours. Really elevate the belt and main event scene there, while breeding young guys.

It's not going to happen though
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Personally I'd like to see them combine Raw and Smackdown somewhere down the line, cut a lot of fat (Mark Henry's and Kozlovs) and force a lot of retirements (JBL, Taker).

Then they could send some of the top guys that would be lost in the shuffle, like the Punks and Jerichos to ECW, and make that two hours. Really elevate the belt and main event scene there, while breeding young guys.

It's not going to happen though
That would actually be really awesome if it would ever happen. It would help a lot with the perceived lack of depth on the rosters (RAW and SD!), and would help get ECW to be taken seriously by everyone.

And they could *gasp* make the ECW belt gold. And get rid of the Divas title. And half the Divas.

I can dream, I guess...
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The current ECW roster is probably the best its ever been at the moment. Mark Henry sticks out like an sore thumb though, but I guess it's fine if they use his credibility to put over the young guns.
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I actually looked at a list of all the talent, and thought about it. Providing guys like Kane and JBL retire anytime soon, and guys like Taker and HBM retire from full-time activity, it would really make a lot of sense.
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VERY bad decision on the WWE's part here in my opinion.

Hopefully, the WWE won't deliberately mis-use Christian over some childish grudge (as they did with D'Lo Brown).
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I'm surprised you are against Christian being on ECW right now, Mr. Hindu. Normally you and I see pretty level on these sort of matters.
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I'm surprised you are against Christian being on ECW right now, Mr. Hindu. Normally you and I see pretty level on these sort of matters.
To be honest, I just don't see the point.

In my opinion, ECW should be a stomping ground for the following:

1) new wrestlers with semi-promising to promising talent that could benefit from getting more air time on a smaller stage (due to the fact that at the current juncture, they wouldn't get much TV time on the regular shows). A bigger role on a smaller stage can help set them up down the road when they move to a main show. Kofi Kingston, CM Punk, and Jack Swagger are all good examples of this.

2) Old veteran wrestlers that have decent name credibility and can help put over younger talent (i.e. Fit Finlay, Tommy Dreamer, Mark Henry).


ECW should NOT be for a guy that is way over with the fans, is in his prime, and a major return from a sabattical.

Christian should have returned to RAW or Smackdown...period. Just as Jericho re-debuted by coming out and interrupting Orton, Christian also should have come out and interfered with an upper-card wrestler on a MAJOR show.

By associating himself with ECW, it basically wreaks of a guy that is nowhere near main-event status.

It's just a really bad business decision in my opinion.

Christian shouldn't be treated like a Test or a Val Venis or whatever....and he was. If this is the WWE's way of making Christian "pay his dues" for leaving back in 05', then they are more immature/amaterish than I thought.

An absolute boneheaded move in my opinion.
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It's just a really bad business decision in my opinion.
I think that remains to be seen. I honestly think more people will tune in because of Christian. Several people on this board have already stated that they will now watch ECW after last night.
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I think that remains to be seen. I honestly think more people will tune in because of Christian. Several people on this board have already stated that they will now watch ECW after last night.
TPWW is hardly the most reliable marker of wrestling fans.
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I think ECW would be a good place for Rey, Big Show, Regal and maybe even Jericho if they stop using him in the Raw main event.
I'd rather see him in the Raw main event, but if it's between ECW main event/training young guys and the IC title, I'll take him on ECW.
I think it would be great because he'd get a lot of time with his matches, with some talented young guys so he could kick it more old school.
He also would be booked as dominant, rather than sneaky.
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I think ECW would be a good place for Rey, Big Show, Regal and maybe even Jericho if they stop using him in the Raw main event.
Why put such big names on a show that hardly anyone watches?

At worst - guys like Big Show, Jericho, and Rey should be on Smackdown.

Regal could be a decent guy for ECW however.
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I think ECW would be a good place for Rey, Big Show, Regal and maybe even Jericho if they stop using him in the Raw main event.
I'd rather see him in the Raw main event, but if it's between ECW main event/training young guys and the IC title, I'll take him on ECW.
I think it would be great because he'd get a lot of time with his matches, with some talented young guys so he could kick it more old school.
He also would be booked as dominant, rather than sneaky.
Back after he returned from his suspension, I was hoping that Regal would go to ECW. I think he'd be perfect for them. He can guide some of the younger guys, and if he wins the ECW Title and then fails his third wellness test, it's not big deal.

While I wouldn't put Chris Jericho on ECW, I can see the rationale behind moving Rey Mysterio and possibly Big Show there. I'd actually go with Rey Mysterio and Umaga, myself.
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:11 AM   #24
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Well, I don't mean ALL of them. I just mean one or two. They've put serious talent there before. I think it can be good. It's something for them to do when they're in a down period on one of the other brands.
It's similar to what they planned to do with Benoit, before other things happened. It also was good for Matt for a while, and Big Show as well. Had Angle not parted ways, he could have been great for the brand for a decent amout of time before being moved back to the bigger shows.
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I think Regal would be great as a champion GM on ECW. It'd be a good place to push him, and let him dominate for a stretch. Like Finlay, he could be very helpful to the young'ns
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I think Regal would be great as a champion GM on ECW. It'd be a good place to push him, and let him dominate for a stretch. Like Finlay, he could be very helpful to the young'ns
I'd love to see Regal with a 'world' title. He'd be amazing as a main-event heel on ECW, especially considering what they've given us as main-event heels recently.
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NO, DAMNIT!!! IT WASN'T ENOUGH. ON HIS RETURN HE SHOULD'VE PINNED EVERY WWE SUPERSTAR AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN HE SHOULD CLIMBED ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING AND PINNED THE ARENA TOO! THEN AFTERWARDS EVERYONE SHOULD'VE LINED UP IN FRONT OF HIM, SAID "YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME", AND THEN SUCKED HIS DICK ONE BY ONE!!! GARRRRRRR!
No wonder you're so obssessed with my use of the phrase "strawman."

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KK, you cannot play victim to condescension.
Point of interest, I wasn't "playing the victim." Also interesting that you would choose the "you're just wrong" line of argument after criticising me for something "your mom" would say. It's more or less like saying someone's argument is childish and then responding with "Nuh-uh!"
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No wonder you're so obssessed with my use of the phrase "strawman."
You're guilty of the exact same thing. When people talked about CM Punk not being treated right after the Survivor Series 2006, you did the exact same thing, from memory. Get over yourself.

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Point of interest, I wasn't "playing the victim." Also interesting that you would choose the "you're just wrong" line of argument after criticising me for something "your mom" would say. It's more or less like saying someone's argument is childish and then responding with "Nuh-uh!"
No, it's not. It's me not taking you seriously. Especially on this matter. Also, crying about being condescended to seems like playing the victim, to me. You're definitely whining about something.
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You're guilty of the exact same thing. When people talked about CM Punk not being treated right after the Survivor Series 2006, you did the exact same thing, from memory. Get over yourself.
You're only remembering a partial truth, which is what you usually do. See also, your statement, even after .44 Criticdalene proved you wrong, that I said Jericho was not returning.

I've said it before:

  • I am not responsible for what you infer.
  • I am not responsible for what you assume.
  • I am not responsible for what you make up.
Telling me to "get over myself" is more of the above, as well.

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No, it's not. It's me not taking you seriously. Especially on this matter.
Looks more like you have no argument, and are hypocritically trying to avoid reasoning.

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Also, crying about being condescended to seems like playing the victim, to me. You're definitely whining about something.
Again, I wasn't "crying." Your assumptions are baseless. Well, they seemed to be based in the continued need to attack me, even though I'm not doing the same to you. Be less defensive, Noid.
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I'd much rather see Christian used in the Money In The Bank Ladder Match than win the ECW Championship, to be honest. He should've returned to SmackDown by coming out and interrupting Edge.
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I'm not sure the Jericho comparison is particularly level, especially since it distorts a lot of the complaints that were leveled against Jericho's return.
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Man I really hope that Christian wins a World title in his new tenure.
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I actually wonder how many more TNA wrestlers will go to ECW when they switch. TNA run a lighter schedule, so maybe ECW is just being used as an OVW bring back up to speed kinda thing.
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Chris Jericho returned during the main event hour of RAW, the company's flagship show, to interrupt the WWE Champion.

Christian returned on ECW, the C-show, to barely defeat a total newbie after help from Finlay and Hornswoggle.

I know that Jericho was a former World Champion and that Christian has only won World Title gold in TNA, but he deserves MORE than what he got. And it's not going to hurt him because Christian is the man and he will rise through adversity and claim his spot on one of the main shows, and that's not my argument. It's that WWE has completely fumbled what could have been made a huge return for one of the best, most charismatic guys in the business. It's a WASTE for the company to auto-create a main event star as opposed to making him "re-earn it." That is stupid on their part.

To everyone who is saying that I'm just complaining that it's not good enough, you're right. It's not god damn good enough. And anyone who is arguing that WWE could not have made a more dynamic entrance for Christian, and that said entrance would not have immediately assisted him in getting way over with the crowd, you simply are not seeing the potential of what Christian's return COULD have been.
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Chris Jericho returned during the main event hour of RAW, the company's flagship show, to interrupt the WWE Champion.

Christian returned on ECW, the C-show, to barely defeat a total newbie after help from Finlay and Hornswoggle.

I know that Jericho was a former World Champion and that Christian has only won World Title gold in TNA, but he deserves MORE than what he got. And it's not going to hurt him because Christian is the man and he will rise through adversity and claim his spot on one of the main shows, and that's not my argument. It's that WWE has completely fumbled what could have been made a huge return for one of the best, most charismatic guys in the business. It's a WASTE for the company to auto-create a main event star as opposed to making him "re-earn it." That is stupid on their part.

To everyone who is saying that I'm just complaining that it's not good enough, you're right. It's not god damn good enough. And anyone who is arguing that WWE could not have made a more dynamic entrance for Christian, and that said entrance would not have immediately assisted him in getting way over with the crowd, you simply are not seeing the potential of what Christian's return COULD have been.
I strongly disagree. Fox, I ask you two things:

First, tell me about how Christian could have debuted in a bigger way, without locking him into a program with someone like Edge, Matt Hardy or Jeff Hardy. They are all doing their own thing. I want to see something realistically different.

I also want to ask you about which ECW Championship match the brand could put forward other than Jack Swagger vs. Christian, that would be just as interesting/exciting.
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I strongly disagree. Fox, I ask you two things:

First, tell me about how Christian could have debuted in a bigger way, without locking him into a program with someone like Edge, Matt Hardy or Jeff Hardy. They are all doing their own thing. I want to see something realistically different.

I also want to ask you about which ECW Championship match the brand could put forward other than Jack Swagger vs. Christian, that would be just as interesting/exciting.
To your first question, there are multiple ways. He could have entered the Royal Rumble, for instance, made a huge impact by eliminating several guys, and maybe even making it into the final four before being tossed out by someone like Randy Orton. He then shows up on RAW the next night to cut his big return promo before being interrupted by whoever his first feud would be against, maybe someone like Chris Jericho, and winning a quick verbal sparring match against him.

Another way would've been to have Santino come out at the top of the hour to cut one of his usual promos when Christian's old music hits and he walks out on the stage and proceeds to tear into Santino as he announces his return. He gets into the ring and after a few words, hits Santino with the Unprettier. Bam. Christian is back on RAW.


The most obvious and best though IS the proposed Jeff vs. Matt vs. Edge vs. Christian storyline heading into WrestleMania 25.

At the Royal Rumble, Jeff has Edge beaten for the WWE Title when the ref takes a bump. Christian runs out and nails Jeff with a steel chair, the Unprettier, and Edge gets the win. The next episode of Smackdown, Edge comes out first thing and says that he had no idea that Christian was coming back, let alone that he was going to help him win back the WWE Title. He says thank you. Christian comes out and says that he didn't do it for Edge - he did it because he's gotten sick and tired of watching Jeff be the "brother that could." He reminds everyone that there was a point in time when the four of them were breaking into the business together - almost ten years ago. When Edge became WWE Champion, he said okay, that's fine. But now Jeff is a former WWE Champion, and Christian doesn't want them overshadowing him. He didn't cost Jeff the title to help Edge - he did it to make a statement: He's Back.

Later it would've been revealed that Christian didn't try to run Jeff off the road and didn't knock him out at the hotel. At the rematch between Jeff and Edge at No Way Out, Matt shows up to "help" Jeff, but ends up knocking him out too. On the following Smackdown it's revealed that he was the one who did all of those things to Jeff, because he's sick of his little brother getting the spotlight.

So you build to WrestleMania with Jeff being conflicted with his dreams of winning the WWE Title at WrestleMania and the turmoil of his brother turning on him - Matt with nothing but utter jealously and selfishness aimed at his brother and his own undying desire to win the WWE Title - Christian with his cockiness and uneasy relationship with his brother and his desire to make a splash in the WWE - and Edge, wanting nothing but to get away from these people with his belt intact.


As far as who should've faced Jack Swagger for the ECW Title, MVP or R-Truth would have been great choices.
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To your first question, there are multiple ways. He could have entered the Royal Rumble, for instance, made a huge impact by eliminating several guys, and maybe even making it into the final four before being tossed out by someone like Randy Orton. He then shows up on RAW the next night to cut his big return promo before being interrupted by whoever his first feud would be against, maybe someone like Chris Jericho, and winning a quick verbal sparring match against him.

Another way would've been to have Santino come out at the top of the hour to cut one of his usual promos when Christian's old music hits and he walks out on the stage and proceeds to tear into Santino as he announces his return. He gets into the ring and after a few words, hits Santino with the Unprettier. Bam. Christian is back on RAW.
I love you Fox, but I've got to argue this:

Christian returning in the Royal Rumble Match -- and losing -- makes him look better than debuting on ECW and beating the Champion there? Christian returning against Santino Marella makes him look better than returning and defeating the ECW Champion? Maybe it works better in your head, but in mine, it is an instant passage into the mid-card for Christian.

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The most obvious and best though IS the proposed Jeff vs. Matt vs. Edge vs. Christian storyline heading into WrestleMania 25.

At the Royal Rumble, Jeff has Edge beaten for the WWE Title when the ref takes a bump. Christian runs out and nails Jeff with a steel chair, the Unprettier, and Edge gets the win. The next episode of Smackdown, Edge comes out first thing and says that he had no idea that Christian was coming back, let alone that he was going to help him win back the WWE Title. He says thank you. Christian comes out and says that he didn't do it for Edge - he did it because he's gotten sick and tired of watching Jeff be the "brother that could." He reminds everyone that there was a point in time when the four of them were breaking into the business together - almost ten years ago. When Edge became WWE Champion, he said okay, that's fine. But now Jeff is a former WWE Champion, and Christian doesn't want them overshadowing him. He didn't cost Jeff the title to help Edge - he did it to make a statement: He's Back.

Later it would've been revealed that Christian didn't try to run Jeff off the road and didn't knock him out at the hotel. At the rematch between Jeff and Edge at No Way Out, Matt shows up to "help" Jeff, but ends up knocking him out too. On the following Smackdown it's revealed that he was the one who did all of those things to Jeff, because he's sick of his little brother getting the spotlight.

So you build to WrestleMania with Jeff being conflicted with his dreams of winning the WWE Title at WrestleMania and the turmoil of his brother turning on him - Matt with nothing but utter jealously and selfishness aimed at his brother and his own undying desire to win the WWE Title - Christian with his cockiness and uneasy relationship with his brother and his desire to make a splash in the WWE - and Edge, wanting nothing but to get away from these people with his belt intact.


As far as who should've faced Jack Swagger for the ECW Title, MVP or R-Truth would have been great choices.
There are a few problems with the scenario you have suggested, although it is one of the most organic of the Edge/Christian/Matt/Jeff ideas I have read:

1) As you saw, Christian returning got a face pop. Do you really want the genuine interest in Christian to be wasted with him enforcing that he is a bad guy? It's playing against the fans, and it's going to confuse and upset them. Some people will cheer Christian hitting Jeff with a steel chair, and that's not exactly a visual you want. It sends the message that Jeff isn't worth cheering, and that this Christian guy is the good guy. It just makes things more confusing.

Christian returning as a face was absolutely the right move. Both from a creative and business standpoint. Hell, while he's hot, Christian might even move some merchandise. He was entertaining as hell on ECW, and he fills a gap in the face line-up that wasn't previously there. Triple H may actually be the closest thing the WWE has to a face with a zinging attitude right now.

2) In your scenario, you have three heels and one face. Maybe that is intentional, but it seems a little messy to me. Jeff Hardy is the only real character for the fans to attach to, so you're basically dedicating 75% of the angle to guys the fans don't like. That could turn some people off. If they were going to do something with those four men at WrestleMania, then I think a tag team match would have been the best option. That way you have two faces and two heels, and things a lot more even.

3) This idea immediately violates realism, because you do realise you have "the richest prize in the industry" being defended at the 25th anniversary of the Granddaddy of Them All between four former tag team specialists. Jeff Hardy is a guy with two wellness violations to his name; Matt Hardy has never been a "real World Champion" before, and has never really main eventing a PPV; Christian is only a few months off returning to the company after a three-year absence, prior to which he had no main event experience; with Edge probably being the only proven reliable main eventer of the four.

Again, it also leaves Triple H out in the cold. If you think that the WWE Title match at an event like WrestleMania XXV is going to leave out the guy who is banging the boss' daughter, and has been arbitrarily part of a World Title match every WrestleMania he could attend since WrestleMania X-8, for the fucking Hardy Boyz, you're delusional. Unless Triple H was injured with time to plan, there is no way the WWE Title match at WrestleMania is going to feature anyone but Triple H. If you want to include Edge, Christian, Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy, you better make it a Five-Way.

Any WWE Title match idea for WrestleMania XXV that doesn't involve Triple H should immediately be disqualified for being unrealistic. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.

As for MVP and R-Truth being suitable opponents for Jack Swagger? I'll maybe give you MVP. In fact, I would have loved to have seen MVP on ECW as a face. But that being said, Jack Swagger vs. Christian is definitely a bigger match. So even if you think you're taking away from the epicness of the other matches at the event (and with Edge vs. Triple H and Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy, I don't think you are), you're at least bulking up those lower on the card.
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I love you Fox, but I've got to argue this:

Christian returning in the Royal Rumble Match -- and losing -- makes him look better than debuting on ECW and beating the Champion there? Christian returning against Santino Marella makes him look better than returning and defeating the ECW Champion? Maybe it works better in your head, but in mine, it is an instant passage into the mid-card for Christian.
Well he could have tagged in with Cena. Besides he is not been listed as an ECW superstar yet. For the record, Santino is a bigger star than Jack Swagger. And we all know that it would have made a huge impact if Christian returned on Raw maybe for even one night it would have been worth it.
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:13 PM   #39
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I love you Fox, but I've got to argue this:

Christian returning in the Royal Rumble Match -- and losing -- makes him look better than debuting on ECW and beating the Champion there? Christian returning against Santino Marella makes him look better than returning and defeating the ECW Champion? Maybe it works better in your head, but in mine, it is an instant passage into the mid-card for Christian.
Yes, I do think that. Why? BECAUSE IT'S ON RAW. Not only that, but Santino has been a very prevalent and, to an extent, over character on WWE TV for almost two years. The verbal interchange between them would have been classic, and Christian would have gotten more over in that one segment than he did in the two he was in on ECW. Again, his victory over Jack Swagger was nothing more than assisted build-up for Finlay vs. Swagger at No Way Out. In the big picture, he was just the object that Finlay used to get that last one-up before NWO.

A segment on RAW with Santino would have been a single cell dedicated to Christian - not build-up for another match. It puts the importance on Christian and his return, and not only that, but it would have been on the FLAGSHIP SHOW that gets nearly 3X the ratings ECW pulls in.


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There are a few problems with the scenario you have suggested, although it is one of the most organic of the Edge/Christian/Matt/Jeff ideas I have read:

1) As you saw, Christian returning got a face pop. Do you really want the genuine interest in Christian to be wasted with him enforcing that he is a bad guy? It's playing against the fans, and it's going to confuse and upset them. Some people will cheer Christian hitting Jeff with a steel chair, and that's not exactly a visual you want. It sends the message that Jeff isn't worth cheering, and that this Christian guy is the good guy. It just makes things more confusing.
Christian is better as a heel. Yes, he does well as a face, but his heel character is far more charismatic than his face. He just plays that cocky arrogance to perfection. And as far as your argument that the people who cheer Christian hitting Jeff makes things "more confusing," let me point out a character named John Cena who gets 50% boos on EVERY SHOW, and is the company's "top face."

The marks are what the company cares about. They will boo the guy who is hitting their beloved Jeff Hardy in the head with a chair.

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Christian returning as a face was absolutely the right move. Both from a creative and business standpoint. Hell, while he's hot, Christian might even move some merchandise. He was entertaining as hell on ECW, and he fills a gap in the face line-up that wasn't previously there. Triple H may actually be the closest thing the WWE has to a face with a zinging attitude right now.
That is fine and I understand what you're saying, but once again, Christian is at his best as a heel. Turn MVP face if you need a good face, but use the new guy to his fullest potential because otherwise you are succubusing yourself.

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2) In your scenario, you have three heels and one face. Maybe that is intentional, but it seems a little messy to me. Jeff Hardy is the only real character for the fans to attach to, so you're basically dedicating 75% of the angle to guys the fans don't like. That could turn some people off. If they were going to do something with those four men at WrestleMania, then I think a tag team match would have been the best option. That way you have two faces and two heels, and things a lot more even.
I did intentionally keep three heels in the feud and here's why: I believe it is Jeff Hardy's time. The match makes him the ultimate underdog in a way that Cena has never been portrayed - he is against three men who know him very well, one of which is his brother, two of which have wronged him deeply, and one who has the thing he wants more than anything. It is his dilemma - it's his story. And of course, it is he who would be winning the WWE title match at WrestleMania.

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3) This idea immediately violates realism, because you do realise you have "the richest prize in the industry" being defended at the 25th anniversary of the Granddaddy of Them All between four former tag team specialists. Jeff Hardy is a guy with two wellness violations to his name; Matt Hardy has never been a "real World Champion" before, and has never really main eventing a PPV; Christian is only a few months off returning to the company after a three-year absence, prior to which he had no main event experience; with Edge probably being the only proven reliable main eventer of the four.

Again, it also leaves Triple H out in the cold. If you think that the WWE Title match at an event like WrestleMania XXV is going to leave out the guy who is banging the boss' daughter, and has been arbitrarily part of a World Title match every WrestleMania he could attend since WrestleMania X-8, for the fucking Hardy Boyz, you're delusional. Unless Triple H was injured with time to plan, there is no way the WWE Title match at WrestleMania is going to feature anyone but Triple H. If you want to include Edge, Christian, Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy, you better make it a Five-Way.

Any WWE Title match idea for WrestleMania XXV that doesn't involve Triple H should immediately be disqualified for being unrealistic. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.
This is a very narrow view point, especially from you. Jeff Hardy has proven he deserves his spot at the top. He is extremely over with the crowd (maybe more so than Triple H), and has been putting on fantastic matches.

I'm not ignorant to the fact that they are not considered "top names in the business." That's why Cena vs. Orton would be the main event of Mania. It would probably go WWE Title 4-Way TLC Match, Undertaker vs. HBM, then the World Title match. That's how WrestleMania usually goes anyways.

As far as Triple H is concerned, he has shown that he is willing to make sacrifices for the company (he's still on Smackdown isn't he?). The time of "oh my god the WWE is the Triple H Show" are passed. He could wrestle in a high profile match against JBL or Big Show. It's just this time. Undertaker has done such things in the past (WM XIX, WM 22) - I don't see why Triple H isn't at that point in his career as well where he will take a backseat to the new guys for one year. It's not like he's going to retire soon. There have been and will be more Manias for Triple H, but this year he could take a backseat. It's not like he's left off the card.

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As for MVP and R-Truth being suitable opponents for Jack Swagger? I'll maybe give you MVP. In fact, I would have loved to have seen MVP on ECW as a face. But that being said, Jack Swagger vs. Christian is definitely a bigger match. So even if you think you're taking away from the epicness of the other matches at the event (and with Edge vs. Triple H and Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy, I don't think you are), you're at least bulking up those lower on the card.
Of course Christian vs. Swagger is a "bigger match." It's because Christian is involved in it! But he deserves more than bringing this new guy to a higher level - he deserves someone on his own level. Who is more on his level than his "brother" and the two guys he broke through with? The storyline is built in.


Anyways, this is a dead issue. The deal is done.
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Chris Jericho returned during the main event hour of RAW, the company's flagship show, to interrupt the WWE Champion.

Christian returned on ECW, the C-show, to barely defeat a total newbie after help from Finlay and Hornswoggle.

I know that Jericho was a former World Champion and that Christian has only won World Title gold in TNA, but he deserves MORE than what he got. And it's not going to hurt him because Christian is the man and he will rise through adversity and claim his spot on one of the main shows, and that's not my argument. It's that WWE has completely fumbled what could have been made a huge return for one of the best, most charismatic guys in the business. It's a WASTE for the company to auto-create a main event star as opposed to making him "re-earn it." That is stupid on their part.

To everyone who is saying that I'm just complaining that it's not good enough, you're right. It's not god damn good enough. And anyone who is arguing that WWE could not have made a more dynamic entrance for Christian, and that said entrance would not have immediately assisted him in getting way over with the crowd, you simply are not seeing the potential of what Christian's return COULD have been.
Fox, I don't know how old you are but I am going to assume you are of working age. If somebody left your workplace over three years ago, barely progressed professionally and then came back to a higher position in the company than you - would you be happy? I wouldn't and I bet workers with the WWE wouldn't as well.

Chrisitan has potential, I am not arguing with this but for me he would have to re-earn his place in WWE. He didn't have to leave when he did, he made his choice. If he came back to the same position as the people it is being suggesting he should feud with, it spits in the face of what they have accomplished and their loyalty to the companyand others as well. 'yeah fuck off to TNA for a few years, come back here and we'll pretend it never happened. Oh yeah, we'll put you in a high position within the company as well.' I don't agree. You will also have new fans in the new WWE target audience who will have no idea who he is anyway, as frustrating as that might be it's the truth.

I'd like to see Christian do well, he was on the verge of breaking through to the next level before he left.
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