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Old 02-13-2009, 12:54 PM   #321
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What's the point of this thread? Of course wrestling is a business, and things need to be promoted. That's not to say that every single little thing needs a hype video, though.
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Old 02-13-2009, 01:31 PM   #322
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The fact that Christian got such a lackluster pop and the lack of proper promotion from the commentators (it was dry at best) showed that, at least for ECW, Christian needed the build.

Now, if he had come in and screwed Swagger in a match, for example, it would have worked and had proper shock value, which is what they were going for and didn't get.

They botched his debut, plain and simple.
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Old 02-13-2009, 01:32 PM   #323
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By the way, Noid, that was the dumbest thing you've ever said. I'm not even going for the gimmick thing here, that was an ignorant question.

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What's the point of this thread? Of course wrestling is a business, and things need to be promoted. That's not to say that every single little thing needs a hype video, though.
A hype video is the least they could have done. There are plenty of other ways to hype someone's debut, even without mentioning them by name.
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Old 02-13-2009, 01:59 PM   #324
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Everybody was shocked the he returned on ECW instead of Raw
LOL yeah, but remember, even in wrestling, there are good surprises and bad ones. To borrow a line from George Carlin, "I'm pregnant, you're the father, and I'm going to kill all three of us!"

Remember, WWE's gone as far as to spoil the results of their own championship battle royal dealy to get people to watch. I mean, sometimes they spoil their results by mistake, but this was obviously not so. They thought saying "Angle wins" would get people watching, even though it not only would have been a surprise (barring the spoilers, becase Angle doesn't work on Thursdays), and still a good one.

Having someone appear out of the blue is a treat to regular fans, but if you want to expand, and that's another reason people have suggested they put Christian on ECW, you want to hype the shit out of big events. Ostensibly, they think Christian is hype worthy. QED.
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Old 02-13-2009, 01:59 PM   #325
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What's the point of this thread? Of course wrestling is a business, and things need to be promoted. That's not to say that every single little thing needs a hype video, though.
Yeah, and Christian is definitely small time.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:03 PM   #326
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I've actaully considered it being that Vince is a carnie, not a businessman.
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But we are both thinking like sane business men, not vengeful carines that hire enemies just to humiliate them.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:06 PM   #327
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Few things:

1) You need to promote and market. There is no way around that.

2) The WWE needs to find a way to market NEW stars...and give them an appropriate push. The WWE's biggest problem is that not a whole lot has changed since 2005. Most wrestlers are pretty much in the same position as they were a few years ago. Jeff Hardy seems to be the only guy that is on the verge of breaking out. Rey Mysterio's main-event push was a severe flop.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:14 PM   #328
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There's obviously a reason he is on ECW. To be honest, it could be something stupid like he is being 'punished' for the manner in which he left in some strange way.
What about simply trying to add some star power to try and increase ratings? Let's face it, Christian is a big enough name that it might make a difference.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:17 PM   #329
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What's the point of this thread? Of course wrestling is a business, and things need to be promoted. That's not to say that every single little thing needs a hype video, though.
Yet again proving you don't understand the "business." Sure you can pick bland midcard work horses, but really who can't?
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:23 PM   #330
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You guys are ridiculous. Honestly. Why can't you leave this in the fuckin other thread BDC? Your antics with KK and Noid are awful.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:23 PM   #331
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What about simply trying to add some star power to try and increase ratings? Let's face it, Christian is a big enough name that it might make a difference.
Christian < Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle's name has yet to increase ratings consistantly for TNA. Christian showing up on ECW out of the blue won't do a thing.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:27 PM   #332
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You guys are ridiculous. Honestly. Why can't you leave this in the fuckin other thread BDC? Your antics with KK and Noid are awful.
Honestly, this wasn't about noid, and I was hoping we would get into a more general discussion about the working of wrestling, not just this specific event. Now you are taking away from that. Why is it automatically assumed that if I question noid, I'm baiting him or it is "antics."

Also, it isn't just noid, sometime while reading other people's posts, I get the feeling a lot of you forget or fail to realize wrestling is a business that is out to make money by having guys roll around on a mat in their underwear together.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:32 PM   #333
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My primary contention in the other thread was that wrestling is a business, and that wasa one of the reasons behind this.
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i.e. A ladder rematch between those 4 is a wiser move to put on a random ppv card during the summer, than on a wrestlemania card that performs strong anyways.
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Never said you didn't think wrestling wasn't a business.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:16 PM   #336
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Honestly, this wasn't about noid, and I was hoping we would get into a more general discussion about the working of wrestling, not just this specific event. Now you are taking away from that. Why is it automatically assumed that if I question noid, I'm baiting him or it is "antics."
Because arguing with Noid is trolling, but bitching about you is okay.

No, but seriously, I'm not sure in this case you can remove Noid from the argument. I don't think anyone else would actually ask what benefit there is in promoting someone or something in wrestling.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:17 PM   #337
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I think I may have merged that in the wrong place, but what ever. 2 threads isn't nesscisary.
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I hate you destor. I don't merge your threads.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:45 PM   #339
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You don't need another thread to flame Noid. The 14 you have should do.
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I want 15, and that thread wasn't purely to flame noid.
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Yes it was and you know it.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:51 PM   #342
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If anyone else made that comment you would have just bitched at them in the one thread. You only made the second one to publicly hummiliate Noid. Simple as.
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Christian < Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle's name has yet to increase ratings consistantly for TNA. Christian showing up on ECW out of the blue won't do a thing.
Maybe it will, maybe it will not. It's created a buzz among a large demographic of people who never watch ECW. I see no problem there.

I've contended that he NEEDS to win the ECW title in order to be a viable contender in the potential TLC match. Brother v. brother v. brother v. brother, champion, v. champion v. champion v. champion. Might as well throw him in there and get it out of the way now so he's built up enough in time for the summer. That's good business.
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No it wasn't, he just said what a lot of you are thinking. I'm not saying who, cause you jerks sometimes run together and I only really remember noid because he says lots of dumb stuff.

I'm starting to think Destor also doesn't see the forest for the tree.
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If anyone else made that comment you would have just bitched at them in the one thread. You only made the second one to publicly hummiliate Noid. Simple as.
Believe whatever you want. I'm being honest.
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Maybe it will, maybe it will not. It's created a buzz among a large demographic of people who never watch ECW. I see no problem there.
Do you have proof of this? TPWW isn't a large demographic of people who never watch ECW. Plus we are hardly the average wrestling viewer.
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Old 02-13-2009, 04:03 PM   #347
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You can google "Christian ECW" and see that people are saying pretty much the same things we are saying here. It's speculative, but then so is saying flat out that it isn't going to help ECW one bit.
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I believe the IWC is still a small demographic of the WWE viewers, I am not for sure. Also, I do have history working on my side, Christian going to TNA, which TNA did heavily promote didn't noticably raise rating, ppv buys, or anything for TNA. and besides for Angle v Joe #1, Angle who is a bigger name than Christian didn't do any of those things. It is safe to say Christian coming to ECW, all by himself, won't seriously help ECW.
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Old 02-13-2009, 04:12 PM   #349
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Maybe it's because TNA is just shitty in general and has a six-sided ring.
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Possible. I still have a wait and see attitude while expecting the worst because wrestling simply hasn't proven me wrong lately.
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i.e. A ladder rematch between those 4 is a wiser move to put on a random ppv card during the summer, than on a wrestlemania card that performs strong anyways.
This is a good point. But why not have the REMATCH in the Summer instead? That is going to draw big too, especially after an amazing match at WrestleMania.

Not only that, but part of the point is that WrestleMania makes stars into superstars. That's the place to do it. A spectacular TLC match for the WWE Title at WrestleMania, between these four guys, the ones who started the craze back in 2000, would be historic. It would be in the books with the Iron Man Match, Austin vs. HBK, and Benoit/Eddie. And it would get Christian and Matt a huge push going into the new "season" for the WWE after Mania.

And there's nothing wrong with creating more top guys who can actually work and talk in the WWE.
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So, I've watching Smackdown, they haven't mentioned Christian's come back, or ECW at all besides for Miz and Morrison...

So his return to the least watched show wasn't teased, and they haven't followed up by making it look like ECW is must watch tv where anything can happen. So is anyone still under the impression they didn't make a big blunder?
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So, I've watching Smackdown, they haven't mentioned Christian's come back, or ECW at all besides for Miz and Morrison...

So his return to the least watched show wasn't teased, and they haven't followed up by making it look like ECW is must watch tv where anything can happen. So is anyone still under the impression they didn't make a big blunder?
I think we'll find out when the rating comes in for next week's ECW.
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What is it that all of you were expecting them to do with Christian anyway? Save_us.222?
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I think we'll find out when the rating comes in for next week's ECW.
With his return unannounced, and they have yet to recap it on WWE tv, what makes you think anyone will care?
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With his return unannounced, and they have yet to recap it on WWE tv, what makes you think anyone will care?
They didn't mention it on Smackdown, but there's still a PPV and a RAW before the next ECW airs.
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BDC, are you saying that if the WWE had hyped Christian's return and still put him on ECW then things would be fine in your book?
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The only problem i had with Christians return, was that he's going for a title that no one cares about anymore,this is why he should've returned on either Raw or Smackdown.
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Christian < Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle's name has yet to increase ratings consistantly for TNA. Christian showing up on ECW out of the blue won't do a thing.
One thing to remember, perhaps, is that there's very little that will consistently improve TNA's ratings because as soon as even the most casual of wrestling fans watches one Impact show, they realise how frustratingly stupid the booking is and never watch again.
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