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Old 03-11-2009, 11:23 PM   #81
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I love how soft society has gotten. Murder is okay if you have emotional problems
Just thought this was a funny post. Not having a go at you, but it's "soft" to deal with murder by trying to rationalise it using concepts such as science, but it's "hard" to just call someone a murderer and whinge about their work for the rest of your natural life?

What Benoit did was wrong, but he was a sick man. Verne Gagne apparently just killed someone -- because he was a sick man. Are we going to strip him from the record books and the Hall of Fame?

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Oh, I know this. But lots of people seem to like saying "Double murder suicide aside" Benoit was a saint. He was just one of many scum bags in wrestling. There are some guys who are actually class acts or faitly noble.
I don't recall anyone calling Chris Benoit a saint. He sounds like a man so obsessed with his work that to know him in any other sense was a curse. He did steal wives, and partake in affairs. Such things make him, truthfully, a horrible person.

Does that mean his in-ring career should not be remembered? And we're not talking about promoted in the wake of horrific incidents -- we're talking remembered. As in not ingored.

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you have to match absurd with absurd. I dont see why so many people want him to be remembered for everything BUT his final couple of does and are so adamant to have this travesty constantly reminded to us when such bullshit as Randy Savage are still held down as if they never existed, let alone the horse crap that was the Ultimate Warrior DVD.
Who has said that his final couple of days should be forgotten?
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:40 PM   #82
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I honestly believe that people cannot be labelled as "evil" so easily as some have labelled Chris Benoit. The man's actions were sick, and horrible. No one is going to dispute that, and there should always be a "but" added onto his legacy, to remind people of the darkness outside of the ring.

Is Chris Benoit a "hero?" Fuck no. Is Chris Benoit a great wrestler? Yes. You are allowed to distinguish between the two.

Also, promoting Chris Benoit might not be the best idea in the world, and I'd be careful where he is mentioned, but erasing him from title histories and the like is just immature, and makes the company look more guilty than anything.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:45 AM   #83
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:47 AM   #84
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Who has said that his final couple of days should be forgotten?
Anyone wanting to promote him being remembered as something that he was rather than what he actually was is forgetting.

What if I killed your family and I was a great Soap Opera star, would you want that show still promoting me and my previous career as for what it was before i went crazy? Welcome to the rest of America's view. WWE isn't doing anything out of the ordinary that someone with a sane mind would not being doing, especially after airing a fucking special to that piece of shit the day after it happened. In all fairness I don't blame WWE as they didn't know all the facts. (Speaking of which it was fucked up watching that special as developments were coming in that made him look guilty )

But whatever, its your opinion, I'm sure you'll enjoy cheering reruns of Benoit, Goodrich, Ray Lewis and OJ Simpsons knowing that you remember how things actually were and not how corporate America wants. Who knows, maybe you'll catch a glimpse of Native Americans getting beat down by Daniel Boone before the Alamo and you'll clap for him too.
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:19 AM   #85
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I watch his matches because I want to be entertained. By watching them I am not endorsing what he did or even him as a person. He just happened to be a part of something that is entertaining to me. I have no feelings for Chris or any of the people involved. Call me heartless or what have you but what he did has zero effect on my life. Yes, it was terrible and possibly the worst thing a human can do and I can't even imagine the things that his family and friends went through but it doesn't stop me from enjoying his work.
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:29 AM   #86
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I have no problem watching his matches etc. I mean, it's a bit strange but not strange enough to not watch. If WWE want to ignore the fact he ever existed, they are perfectly entitled to since they have to look out for themselves (and I don't at all blame them. They should never be criticized for that decision) People have free will. He's still on DVD's. They aren't telling anybody what to think. Fuck Benoit, he gave up any kind of entitlement to respect or a legacy when he did what he did.
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:43 AM   #87
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This arguement is going to be exactly like the who screwed bret arguement, isn't it?

It's never going to go away, and it's going to be just as pointless, every time it's brought up.
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This arguement is going to be exactly like the who screwed bret arguement, isn't it?

It's never going to go away, and it's going to be just as pointless, every time it's brought up.
I believe you are correct.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:10 AM   #90
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I honestly believe that people cannot be labelled as "evil" so easily as some have labelled Chris Benoit. The man's actions were sick, and horrible. No one is going to dispute that, and there should always be a "but" added onto his legacy, to remind people of the darkness outside of the ring.

Is Chris Benoit a "hero?" Fuck no. Is Chris Benoit a great wrestler? Yes. You are allowed to distinguish between the two.

Also, promoting Chris Benoit might not be the best idea in the world, and I'd be careful where he is mentioned, but erasing him from title histories and the like is just immature, and makes the company look more guilty than anything.
Thank you, just what I was trying to say.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:17 AM   #91
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I watch his matches because I want to be entertained. By watching them I am not endorsing what he did or even him as a person. He just happened to be a part of something that is entertaining to me. I have no feelings for Chris or any of the people involved. Call me heartless or what have you but what he did has zero effect on my life. Yes, it was terrible and possibly the worst thing a human can do and I can't even imagine the things that his family and friends went through but it doesn't stop me from enjoying his work.
Again, thank you. I don't have to feel guilty for what he did. That's his and his family's burden. Obviously he felt remorse after he did it, or he wouldn't of killed himself to.
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This arguement is going to be exactly like the who screwed bret arguement, isn't it?

It's never going to go away, and it's going to be just as pointless, every time it's brought up.
It would seem so.
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should his last days be remembered...yes
but as autopsies and shit have been studied he suffered from dimentia(not sure if i spelled it right). im not saying forget what he did but do you blame someone with parkinsons disease for shaking(not a good comparison, but it gets the idea across). everybody claimed his son had something from fragile x to autism but the tests that were done showed that he was a normal healthy boy(someone said earlier he did have autism). benoit had mental problems and didnt get them fixed in time. would you continue to cheer a man who beat his wife numerous times...like stone cold steve austin(dont get me wrong i am one of austins biggest fans but he did it).did people stop cheering for new jack in ecw (he admitted to four murders, this was before his wrestling career). im sure there are many more but i cant think of them now. i am a wrestling fan and will get flamed for this. i do hate what he did but that doesnt change what i see in a match. wrestling is about the suspension of disbelief and watching a match i am in that moment but he still did what he did and nothing will ever change that. yes the company was right to pull him out, but i believe he shoudl never bei advertised for something but if hes on there, leave it. the eddie dvd they just put out should have had him on it but no where to be seen on the package
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What he did doesn't mean he was bad at his job Jerry.
I got into that as well in later posts. I don't disagree with that, but I think it's irrelevant. To me at least.
I highly doubt about anyone caring about whether or not John Doe was a good chef after he boils up his family.
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Anyone wanting to promote him being remembered as something that he was rather than what he actually was is forgetting.

What if I killed your family and I was a great Soap Opera star, would you want that show still promoting me and my previous career as for what it was before i went crazy? Welcome to the rest of America's view. WWE isn't doing anything out of the ordinary that someone with a sane mind would not being doing, especially after airing a fucking special to that piece of shit the day after it happened. In all fairness I don't blame WWE as they didn't know all the facts. (Speaking of which it was fucked up watching that special as developments were coming in that made him look guilty )

But whatever, its your opinion, I'm sure you'll enjoy cheering reruns of Benoit, Goodrich, Ray Lewis and OJ Simpsons knowing that you remember how things actually were and not how corporate America wants. Who knows, maybe you'll catch a glimpse of Native Americans getting beat down by Daniel Boone before the Alamo and you'll clap for him too.
You are horrible at this whole analogy thing, aren't you?
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should his last days be remembered...yes
but as autopsies and shit have been studied he suffered from dimentia(not sure if i spelled it right). im not saying forget what he did but do you blame someone with parkinsons disease for shaking(not a good comparison, but it gets the idea across). everybody claimed his son had something from fragile x to autism but the tests that were done showed that he was a normal healthy boy(someone said earlier he did have autism). benoit had mental problems and didnt get them fixed in time. would you continue to cheer a man who beat his wife numerous times...like stone cold steve austin(dont get me wrong i am one of austins biggest fans but he did it).did people stop cheering for new jack in ecw (he admitted to four murders, this was before his wrestling career). im sure there are many more but i cant think of them now. i am a wrestling fan and will get flamed for this. i do hate what he did but that doesnt change what i see in a match. wrestling is about the suspension of disbelief and watching a match i am in that moment but he still did what he did and nothing will ever change that. yes the company was right to pull him out, but i believe he shoudl never bei advertised for something but if hes on there, leave it. the eddie dvd they just put out should have had him on it but no where to be seen on the package
Does it make a difference if his kid was retarded or not? HE CHOKED HIS FUCKING KID OUT MAN! And ofcourse he shouldnt be advertised. I dont know about you, but if I showed to an event and saw Chris Benoits dead corpse infront of an autograph signing, i'd be pretty dissapointed. And the fact that Benoit never got himself taken care of is his fault. He had a history of beating his wife. She has a saftey deposit box with all this info in it. You say he didnt get fixed in time like it was somebody running through an airport trying to catch his flight and missing it.


You wrestling fans are quite retarded.
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I got into that as well in later posts. I don't disagree with that, but I think it's irrelevant. To me at least.
I highly doubt about anyone caring about whether or not John Doe was a good chef after he boils up his family.
I'm just gonna say this: he's hardly the first murderer/pro-wrestler and it doens't change how much I enjoy his mathes at all. He's slime, yeah. But so are most pro-wrestlers. The only real difference with him and the others...he got the most publicity.

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I can't just point fingers on who's a murderer elsewhere in the business though. I don't know that there aren't, but I also don't know that there are. I know he's a murderer. Anyone, anywhere in life could be one for all we know. It's a matter of knowing. Anyone else who is the same, gets the same treatment in my book.

It's like the "there's gotta be worse criminals in the hall of fame than Pete Rose" argument.
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It's not even that. Everyone knows KNOWS Snuka is a murderer and look at how well he's recieved. Hall of fucking Famer. Always treated like a legend. DVDs and marketing out the ass. The only real dif is Benoit got fingered.

Benoit still is one of the all time great pro-wrestlers. Doesn't matter who he killed. As long as he didn't do it in the ring it has no baring on his career.
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Also "slime" isn't really fitting.
You can say Stone Cold is slime for beating his wife, or that other guys who pull other shit are slime.
Benoit killed a 7 year old child. That's the worst thing a person can do. It's miles ahead of your average slimeball antics in the evil department.
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The list of known mudering pro-wrestlers is pretty long really. Benoit is the one gettin hate mail. Shit what about rapist pro-wrestlers? Theat list is epic huge. Same there. It's only Benoit getting black balled. And why? He got media attention.
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It's not even that. Everyone knows KNOWS Snuka is a murderer and look at how well he's recieved. Hall of fucking Famer. Always treated like a legend. DVDs and marketing out the ass. The only real dif is Benoit got fingered.

Benoit still is one of the all time great pro-wrestlers. Doesn't matter who he killed. As long as he didn't do it in the ring it has no baring on his career.
This is exactly how I feel about this.
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Benoit still is one of the all time great pro-wrestlers. Doesn't matter who he killed. As long as he didn't do it in the ring it has no baring on his career.
I'm not saying that his matches are instantly bad, or that he didn't have a great career. I just think it is irrelevant. It isn't promoted or remembered, nor should it be. Every ounce he gave to the business and his fans, he took away over a weekend. His respect and legacy is gone. I think that's all you have at the end of the day.

I dunno. Figgy was right about it being a pointless debate, but on a moral level I am steadfast about the guy being unworthy of any recognition or praise. In the ring or out. I just don't see how it can matter to fans. I don't see the crippler, I see a fuckin monster.
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From a business point a view, as a publicly traded company, it is absolutely the right move for the WWE to disassociate themselves from Benoit in every way they can. Enjoying Benoit's matches are one thing, but from an outsider's perspective, for the company to promote anything having to do with the man who murdered his wife and child and then killed himself would just be another black eye on an already questionable industry. Maybe you can still enjoy Benoit matches and forget about what happened afterwards, but a lot of people cannot. It would be like a museum hanging up the collected works of Hitler right after WWII.

Really, there is nothing to be gained by remembering Benoit or his storylines at this point "officially" by the WWE, but there is a whole lot to be lost in terms of offending viewers. I absolutely think they have made the right call.

I don't think the WWE thinks fans are stupid, nor do I think it will be only a few years before fans or other wrestlers especially forget who Benoit was. It's just something that as a company they can't talk about.
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They're not telling us what to think. They simply don't mention him any more. At no point has WWE ever told any of us to forget about about him. At no point has WWE actually told us that he never existed.

Despite what you think, the "legacy" of benoit will be handed down from wrestling fan to wrestling fan. It will not be forgotten by any of us, I'm sure, and I know when my kids are old enough, and they ask me who I thought were the greatest "wrestlers" of my generation, I will include Benoit in that list. I will tell my children of his matches, and also what happened in his final days.

I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum who weren't watching wrestling when Pillman died or ten years ago when Owen fell, yet they know of their legacy, despite the fact that they aren't mentioned week in week out or on every page of the WWE website.
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What Benoit did was wrong, but he was a sick man. Verne Gagne apparently just killed someone -- because he was a sick man. Are we going to strip him from the record books and the Hall of Fame?
On the one hand, I agree appreciation of Benoit's work doesn't have to mean condoning the murders and suicide that ended his career. On the other hand, we're talking about a fake sport with a fake HoF by comparison.
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Again, thank you. I don't have to feel guilty for what he did. That's his and his family's burden. Obviously he felt remorse after he did it, or he wouldn't of killed himself to.
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This is a weird situation, I completely understand where the WWE are coming from. As KK said before, how can you advertise your programme as a family show whilst showing clips of murderers.
However, where do you start to differentiate Benoit's carrer in the ring and what hapenned out of the ring.
Just by speaking to KK, I got told that the report on Benoit after his suicide was that he had the brain of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient. This shows how unwell he was, so there has always been more to this situation.
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I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum who weren't watching wrestling when Pillman died or ten years ago when Owen fell, yet they know of their legacy, despite the fact that they aren't mentioned week in week out or on every page of the WWE website.


I Remember the night they announced the death of Brian Pillman on Raw and at that time i really like watching brian pillman. and i remember the death of owen hart because i was too young i couldn't get the P.P.V plus i wasn't allowed too and i remember seeing it on raw and those two were sum of my favorites at the times they died.
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Of course it is right for the WWE to distance themselves from Chris Benoit. Just like they tend to distance themselves from the others who have become crazies due to their long-term exposure to the industry.

I think, mainly from guesswork, that they've escaped relatively unscathed from the event. Now, what with 'The Wrestler' doing well, the industry is again bathed in a positive light rather than the industry 'that kills families'.

Personally, I don't really care whether Benoit is on DVDs or included in a title history or not. I don't really think he deserves to be in the HoF anyway. You can easily see his matches and clips on youtube, and to be honest, there's only two things he ever did that I'm interested in watching again.

On the question of whether he's 'evil', that - to me - comes down to more than one event in a life, and consideration should be given to medical reports indicate that the guy was nuts, taking drugs that exacerbated that condition and had large numbers of his peers saying what a great guy he was.
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We was, evidently, a douchebag long before he would have suffered enough damage to go nuts, and certainly before he was seriously juicing.

Still, that doesn't mean he wasn't nuts at the end, since he clearly was. This is the cost of entertainment.
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We was, evidently, a douchebag long before he would have suffered enough damage to go nuts, and certainly before he was seriously juicing.
If I'm honest, all I know on that count is that he cheated on his wife, stole someone elses wife and then threw some furniture around to which his wife then filed for divorce and then changed her mind. Perhaps he was a bully who systematically abused his wife until killing her, if so, I'd agree that you could call him evil.

It is a subject that causes extreme reaction though, this thread proves it. It also proves that the WWE are right to pretend the guy never existed.
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I think I've watched one Benoit match since that day. I just can't watch them anymore.

It's ironic, because I was watching the Ladder Matches DVD the day it was announced and Benoit/Jericho was the next match I was to watch. Took me a year just to watch the DVD again, didn't watch the Benoit match though.
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If I'm honest, all I know on that count is that he cheated on his wife, stole someone elses wife and then threw some furniture around to which his wife then filed for divorce and then changed her mind. Perhaps he was a bully who systematically abused his wife until killing her, if so, I'd agree that you could call him evil.

It is a subject that causes extreme reaction though, this thread proves it. It also proves that the WWE are right to pretend the guy never existed.
There are also cases of him bullying rookies in the locker room. He has been just as big of a douche back stage as JBL or Hardcore Holly. Plus he was dealing drugs. I mean he had outragous amounts of roids being sent to his house, more than just for himself. You know he was dealing.

"Double murder suicide aside," Benoit was not a good person.
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