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Old 04-02-2009, 10:48 PM   #401
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Next years draft is gonna be QB heavy though...McCoy and Bradford and them right? I'd lay money that Denver trades their 1st rounder next year (assuming its not in the top 5 already) and the Bears first rounder to get a top 3 pick to get their guy.
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Cutler is amazing...with Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Brandon Stokely

and an offensive line that is you know good
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Don't discount Cutler. The argument can be made that HE made the line receivers etc look better than they were. Cutler is fiery, and he felt like he was one of the few bright spots on that fucking squad last year...NEWSFLASH, He's right! If the Broncos wanted to trade Marshall, or any other of the 52 douches there they could. But Cutler was the franchise. He should have a say, he should have been untouchable. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

Fucking Broncos. GO BOLTS!
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So then Kyle Orton should have no problems throwing for 4,500 yards and 25 TDs next season, right?
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Probably closer to the 3,600 yards and 21 TD Matt Cassel put up in McDaniels' offense last year, but he should put up better numbers than he did in Chicago.

Part of it is the talent around him, and part of it is the system. Chicago's always been more ball-control oriented under Lovie Smith, even back when they had guys like Moose and Berrian.
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So then Kyle Orton should have no problems throwing for 4,500 yards and 25 TDs next season, right?
LOL

Skippord, Culter made Vanderbilt good..

Vanderbilt..
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Apparently when Cutler was being recruited in college Ron Turner (now the OC in Chicago) was at Illinois - Cutler turned down other programs and thought he was going to sign up but Turner pulled the plug on it
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Lovie Smith had no choice but to run a ball control system. You use a system that suits your players. Deciding to trust your offense to Thomas Jones over Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman isn't exactly the toughest of choices.

Let's not forget what kind of team Denver was before Cutler took over. Every year Plummer was starting they ran more than they passed. In Cutler's first full year in 2007, they passed more. Last year it was almost 2 to 1.
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Matt Forte will be a great RB in years to come..

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So then Kyle Orton should have no problems throwing for 4,500 yards and 25 TDs next season, right?
well being that we won't have two of those three wideouts it may pose a problem
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well being that we won't have two of those three wideouts it may pose a problem
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The Giants may be making a play for Chad Johnson! If there is a God, Let's ship his monkey ass out for a first rounder...
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I just can't see Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin shipping a 1st round pick to the Bengals for Chad Johnson. Simply put they aren't that stupid.
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Yeah.. I see a third rounder at best for him..
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Draft picks are so over-rated. I don't get this mentality of not wanting to give up a third round draft pick for someone that is already an established veteran. Odds are that the draft pick will just end up being a bust anyway. Even if it is not, it usually takes a couple of years before that rookie will become an impact player.
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Yeah, I feel the same way.. Like, even with the Cutler trade, I think the Bears got the better end of the deal..
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San Diego might go 6-10 next season and still win the AFC West.
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I actually think the Broncos go the better of the trade with all the extra picks. Culter is a great QB, but don't discount Orton. He can get the ball to receivers. The Broncos also get 2 1st rounders and a 3rd. You can get a lot of talent with those picks.

I am a huge fan of Cutler and Cutler is the QB the bears have been looking for for a long time, but he still needs a receiver to throw to. The Bears don't have anyone.
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I am baffled as to why so many people think the receivers are what make a QB good. Did you not see what happened when Ryan Fitzpatrick replaced Carson Palmer? Did you not see what happened when Brad Johnson replaced Tony Romo? Do you not see what happens every time Random Hack QB replaces Donovan McNabb? Same receivers, yet all of sudden everybody's terrible. Gee, I wonder why?

Quick, name Drew Brees' top receiver last year. How many years has Tom Brady had a 1000 yard receiver? What about McNabb? I mean fuck, Trent Green used to put up 4000 yard seasons throwing to his WR core made up of Eddie Kennison and Johnnie Morton.

Yeah Cutler doesn't have a receiving core in Chicago. He also doesn't have an ungrateful fan base. Now let's remember what he does have in Chicago: a running game and a defense who won't force him into shootouts. I bet Denver fans can't wait to see how Kyle Orton responds to playing with a defense that gives up 28 points a game. I'm sure his arm and QB skills will really flourish.
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Well it is tough no matter who you are if you don't have a good receiver. Denver can help that D on draft day with all of the picks they have.

Orton is not a bad QB. I am not saying he is going to lead his team to the promise land, but everyone is making it seem like he is so bad, but he is not, give him a chance.
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Quick, name Drew Brees' top receiver last year. How many years has Tom Brady had a 1000 yard receiver? What about McNabb? I mean fuck, Trent Green used to put up 4000 yard seasons throwing to his WR core made up of Eddie Kennison and Johnnie Morton.

Yeah Cutler doesn't have a receiving core in Chicago. He also doesn't have an ungrateful fan base. Now let's remember what he does have in Chicago: a running game and a defense who won't force him into shootouts. I bet Denver fans can't wait to see how Kyle Orton responds to playing with a defense that gives up 28 points a game. I'm sure his arm and QB skills will really flourish.
It's not that receivers make a QB, it's that Cutler is taking an enormous step down in terms of quality to throw to. If you took Kurt Warner out of Arizona he wouldn't be half the QB he is at the moment, and that's down to the system and who he has to throw to. Similar thing here. Cutler might prove himself but at this point it's just as likely he will stink it up next year as pull the whole Bears offence up a notch.

Also about 1/4 of Trent's yards came from throwing to Gonzalez Quite a bit from Priest Holmes as well if you want to go back that far.
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It's not that receivers make a QB, it's that Cutler is taking an enormous step down in terms of quality to throw to. If you took Kurt Warner out of Arizona he wouldn't be half the QB he is at the moment, and that's down to the system and who he has to throw to. Similar thing here. Cutler might prove himself but at this point it's just as likely he will stink it up next year as pull the whole Bears offence up a notch.

Also about 1/4 of Trent's yards came from throwing to Gonzalez Quite a bit from Priest Holmes as well if you want to go back that far.
Its far more often that a QB makes WRs great than the other way around.
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It's not that receivers make a QB, it's that Cutler is taking an enormous step down in terms of quality to throw to. If you took Kurt Warner out of Arizona he wouldn't be half the QB he is at the moment, and that's down to the system and who he has to throw to. Similar thing here. Cutler might prove himself but at this point it's just as likely he will stink it up next year as pull the whole Bears offence up a notch.

Also about 1/4 of Trent's yards came from throwing to Gonzalez Quite a bit from Priest Holmes as well if you want to go back that far.
1418 of the Bears' 3229 receiving yards, 44%, were collected by Matt Forte, Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark last season so you can take your little wink face and shove it up your ass.

I'm not saying Cutler will have another 4,500 yard 25 TD season, and with Forte he shouldn't have to, but the assumption that because Chicago's receiving core was bad under Orton and Grossman, it will be bad under Cutler is ludicrous. Cutler's stats will be down next year because he won't be pressured to score 30+ points every game. In fantasy terms, Cutler will have a bad year. But in actual football, where it matters, he will have as good a year or better.
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Denver can help that D on draft day with all of the picks they have.
Yeah, in years to come.. You could give me eleven 22 year old defensive players right now, who will potentially make the Saints D look like the Steel curtain in 2012, and I wouldn't come close to wanting to give up Brees.. Draft picks are iffy.. I mean, sure there are guys like the Bucs CB Talib, who can come in and make plays, but giving up a probowl QB who can give you 20+ TDs and 4000+ yards of offense a year, for the chance to sign unproven talent is ridiculous.. Plus the fact that Cutler hasn't near reached his prime as a pro..
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1418 of the Bears' 3229 receiving yards, 44%, were collected by Matt Forte, Greg Olsen, and Desmond Clark last season so you can take your little wink face and shove it up your ass.
So? Your point was that Green threw for 4000 to Kennison et al when you missed out mentioning that he also had a genuine 1000 yard a season TE, maybe even a hall of famer in Gonzalez, and Holmes, one of the best receiving backs, used to go for 600-700 as well. So that kind of dampens down the numbers for those other receivers.

As good as Forte is he's not Priest Holmes. And Olsen & Clark combined don't come close to Gonzo at his peak. What Cutler has to work with is even less than Green had.

Look Chicago will probably go .500 this year. They still play the Lions twice, and they play the NFC West too. Oh and they also play the AFC North. So that's probably 8 wins there, given that the Browns and the Bengals play in the North

Outside of that they have Philly, Atlanta, and of course Green Bay and Minny twice apiece plus Pittsburgh and Baltimore. At this point I don't see them winning more than 1 of those, honestly. Which would basically put them at the same level they were last year.
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So? Your point was that Green threw for 4000 to Kennison et al when you missed out mentioning that he also had a genuine 1000 yard a season TE, maybe even a hall of famer in Gonzalez, and Holmes, one of the best receiving backs, used to go for 600-700 as well. So that kind of dampens down the numbers for those other receivers.

As good as Forte is he's not Priest Holmes. And Olsen & Clark combined don't come close to Gonzo at his peak. What Cutler has to work with is even less than Green had.
No, I was responding to people immediately writing off Cutler because Chicago didn't have wide receivers. Just like Kansas City didn't have wide receivers. But they had other options, just like Chicago has now. And how do you know how good Forte will be? He had a far better rookie season than Holmes did and had almost 500 receiving yards. Imagine what he'll do without 8 or 9 guys playing up in the box.
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Holmes didn't have a carry in his rookie year, so that wasn't difficult. When Forte breaks the rushing TD record get back to me.
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Now, now, we're missing the spirit of Supreme's post. He's saying that a good quarterback will make chicken salad outta chicken shit. Cutler has options. Greg Olson will become quite the gem with Cutler throwing to him. Devin Hester will be better once he knows what a route tree looks like. There's a blueprint in place for Cutler to win. Stats mean jack shit when you're losing all the time.
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Holmes didn't have a carry in his rookie year, so that wasn't difficult. When Forte breaks the rushing TD record get back to me.
Ok fine Mr. Fussy Britches, his first year as the starting RB. Either way, Forte outplayed Holmes. Forte had 1700 yards from scrimmage in his rookie season which was 3rd in the NFL.
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Jay Cutler will have impressive stats on a 9-7 team. That's what it's going to come down to.
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Ok fine Mr. Fussy Britches, his first year as the starting RB. Either way, Forte outplayed Holmes. Forte had 1700 yards from scrimmage in his rookie season which was 3rd in the NFL.
That Ravens team had even less talent on offence than the Bears. I mean Jim Harbaugh? And why is it that they leaned on Forte so heavily? Oh yeah, they haven't got any receivers.

We could go round and round on this if you want but Cutler's not going to suddenly jumpstart the Bears. Just like Favre didn't suddenly jumpstart the Jets.

IMHO, of course.
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5 more wins and an extra 137 points scored and you don't think Favre jumpstarted the Jets?
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Yeah, WTF MMM??

The Jets were so much better with Favre than with Pennington..
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